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Children's and young people's digital literacies in virtual online spaces: Dissemination conference


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This is a transcript of the text chat element of this event held on 19 June 2010 on Infolit iSchool, Second Life. Speakers were : Maggie Marat/ Peggy Sheehy; Starseed Sodwind/ Rebecca Black; Constance …

This is a transcript of the text chat element of this event held on 19 June 2010 on Infolit iSchool, Second Life. Speakers were : Maggie Marat/ Peggy Sheehy; Starseed Sodwind/ Rebecca Black; Constance Carnot/ Constance Steinkuehler; Tetra Paean/ Julia Gillen.
Chaired by: Sheila Yoshikawa/ Sheila Webber
This was the final meeting in a seminar series funded by the Economic and Social Science Research Council (ESRC) and organised by researchers at the University of Sheffield, Sheffield Hallam University and Lancaster University. The aim of this seminar series is to consider the digital literacy practices which take place in virtual online spaces and to explore potentialities for literacy educators. In this final conference, speakers will consider the nature of literacy in virtual worlds and Massively Multiplayer Online Games (MMOGs)
A set of pictures of the event can be found here:
The Research Seminar series website is at

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  • 1. Children's and young people's digital literacies in virtual online spaces: Dissemination conference Transcript of the text chat element of this event held on 19 June 2010 on Infolit iSchool, Second Life Version1 30 June 2010 Speakers: Maggie Marat/ Peggy Sheehy; Starseed Sodwind/ Rebecca Black; Constance Carnot/ Constance Steinkuehler; Tetra Paean/ Julia Gillen. Chaired by: Sheila Yoshikawa/ Sheila Webber This is the final meeting in a seminar series funded by the Economic and Social Science Research Council (ESRC). The aim of this seminar series is to consider the digital literacy practices which take place in virtual online spaces and to explore potentialities for literacy educators. In this final conference, speakers will consider the nature of literacy in virtual worlds and Massively Multiplayer Online Games (MMOGs) A set of pictures of the event can be found here: ----------- The presentations were in voice. Key points were typed into text chat. The transcriber is noted at the relevant point in the chatlog below ---------- [2010/06/19 6:05] Sheila Yoshikawa: Welcome to Infolit iSchool, home for the University of Sheffield Department of Information Studies, the iSchool, and the School of Education. I am Sheila Webber, outside SL, from the iSchool, and I am Director of our Centre for Information Literacy Research. [2010/06/19 6:05] Gdot Spires: Last of seminar series [2010/06/19 6:06] Gdot Spires: Children and young people's digital literacies in online virtual spaces [2010/06/19 6:06] Sheila Yoshikawa: Today we have an exciting programme, which is the last session in a research seminar series funded by the Economic and Social Research Council, the ESRC. Organised by people in Sheffield University, Sheffield Hallam University and Lancaster University. There is information about this in the notecard in the delegate pack. [2010/06/19 6:06] Sheila Yoshikawa: Click this object here and you get a folder put in your inventory called Digital Literacies June 19 2010. It contains a notecard about today’s programme, some information about what is on this island, a bottle you can sit on, and a set of clothes, some of which I am wearing. [2010/06/19 6:07] Deanya Zenfold: neat! thank you! :)
  • 2. [2010/06/19 6:08] Gdot Spires: HE HE we love it! [2010/06/19 6:09] Sheila Yoshikawa: I am just welcoming everyone from all parts of the world [2010/06/19 6:10] Maggie Marat: no pressure lol [2010/06/19 6:10] Gdot Spires: We can't wait!!! [2010/06/19 6:10] Maggie Marat: hey it s early here [2010/06/19 6:10] Gdot Spires: Go! [2010/06/19 6:10] Sheila Yoshikawa: Maggie is happy to see so many people here ;-) [2010/06/19 6:10] Oronoque Westland: morning [2010/06/19 6:10] Gdot Spires: like stories ----------------------- Maggie Marat (Peegy Sheehy outside SL) gave a presentation in voice: “I'm not good at Math but my avatar is”. The transcriber was Sheila Yoshikawa Maggie’s slides are at Knowclue Kidd produced two videos from Peggy Sheehy's presentation: (Body Image) and (Exploring identity) ------------------------ [2010/06/19 6:11] Sheila Yoshikawa: she's going to talk about things her pupils and teachers have said [2010/06/19 6:11] Sheila Yoshikawa: drawing on valuable experience [2010/06/19 6:11] Sheila Yoshikawa: she explains her lens [2010/06/19 6:11] Sheila Yoshikawa: "who are these students" - the big question [2010/06/19 6:11] Sheila Yoshikawa: what do these kids need? [2010/06/19 6:11] Sheila Yoshikawa: what do they need for their future [2010/06/19 6:11] Sheila Yoshikawa: also what IS a literate person today [2010/06/19 6:12] Sheila Yoshikawa: what constitutes literacy? [2010/06/19 6:12] Sheila Yoshikawa: there's a defining literacy war! [2010/06/19 6:12] Sheila Yoshikawa: literacy is evolving
  • 3. [2010/06/19 6:12] Sheila Yoshikawa: and we need to recognise that [2010/06/19 6:12] Tetra Paean: Everyone - if you cannot hear very well, then if you click your alt button and focus in closer on the big screen and Maggie then her voice becomes clearer [2010/06/19 6:12] Sheila Yoshikawa: moving from a hierarchical to a horizontal information landscape [2010/06/19 6:13] Sheila Yoshikawa: looking outward to who has the skills [2010/06/19 6:13] Sheila Yoshikawa: so for students we are teaching now [2010/06/19 6:13] Sheila Yoshikawa: more than reading writing and numeracy [2010/06/19 6:13] Gdot Spires: Sounds like a 'knowledge flow' rather than a 'knowledge stock' [2010/06/19 6:13] Sheila Yoshikawa: dealing with other kinds of information forms [2010/06/19 6:13] Sheila Yoshikawa: digital, pictures etc [2010/06/19 6:13] Sheila Yoshikawa: so traditional skills still a basis [2010/06/19 6:13] Sheila Yoshikawa: but have a whole new layer of skills [2010/06/19 6:14] Sheila Yoshikawa: including lifeskills, awareness of accountability etc [2010/06/19 6:14] Sheila Yoshikawa: using networking and so forth [2010/06/19 6:14] Sheila Yoshikawa: and we need to develop these skills in schools [2010/06/19 6:14] Sheila Yoshikawa: so we have students whose future we do not understand [2010/06/19 6:14] Sheila Yoshikawa: so because of intense exchange [2010/06/19 6:15] Sheila Yoshikawa: globalisation [2010/06/19 6:15] Sheila Yoshikawa: children need cultural awareness [2010/06/19 6:15] Sheila Yoshikawa: perhaps a world where right brain qualities are appreciated [2010/06/19 6:15] Sheila Yoshikawa: empathy, imagination etc [2010/06/19 6:15] Gdot Spires: That's Pink? [2010/06/19 6:16] millay Freschi: excellent book [2010/06/19 6:16] Gdot Spires: title? [2010/06/19 6:16] Sheila Yoshikawa: really we need to teach this generation with its own tools
  • 4. [2010/06/19 6:16] Sheila Yoshikawa: social is very important [2010/06/19 6:16] Sheila Yoshikawa: also immersive experiences and situated learning [2010/06/19 6:17] Sheila Yoshikawa: thus multiuser environments, social messaging [2010/06/19 6:17] Sheila Yoshikawa: are inherent to their culture [2010/06/19 6:17] millay Freschi: daniel pink a whole new mind [2010/06/19 6:17] Sheila Yoshikawa: so allowing them into schools [2010/06/19 6:17] Sheila Yoshikawa: is valuable to fostering student learning [2010/06/19 6:18] Sheila Yoshikawa: overarching observations [2010/06/19 6:18] Ines Ogura: I agree.. [2010/06/19 6:18] Sheila Yoshikawa: first, engagement [2010/06/19 6:18] Sheila Yoshikawa: she feared it was perhaps just trendiness [2010/06/19 6:18] Gdot Spires: Do all students have equal experience and have equal levels of engagement? [2010/06/19 6:18] Sheila Yoshikawa: so interest might wear off [2010/06/19 6:18] Sheila Yoshikawa: but this hasn't been the case [2010/06/19 6:18] Sheila Yoshikawa: they find them compelling [2010/06/19 6:18] Kalyan Horatio: Are we heading toward a world where we will need to teach with students rather than teaching for students [2010/06/19 6:18] Sheila Yoshikawa: and are social situated learning environments [2010/06/19 6:18] Deanya Zenfold: Pink's website and book: [2010/06/19 6:19] Sheila Yoshikawa: the globe has a copy of the presentation [2010/06/19 6:19] millay Freschi: opps :) [2010/06/19 6:19] Tetra Paean: Thank you Maggie [2010/06/19 6:19] Sheila Yoshikawa: so you don't have to rely on my imperfect efforts (Sheila’s, mine I mean) [2010/06/19 6:20] Deanya Zenfold: there's nothing in the globe [2010/06/19 6:20] Sheila Yoshikawa: teachers report on different relationships [2010/06/19 6:20] Sheila Yoshikawa: and students taking on different roles, e.g. becoming leaders [2010/06/19 6:20] Oronoque Westland: globe is no perms
  • 5. [2010/06/19 6:20] Sheila Yoshikawa: also, it is OK for students to be more comfortable in the environment [2010/06/19 6:20] Sheila Yoshikawa: but the TEACHERS are still directing the learning journey [2010/06/19 6:20] Kalyan Horatio: students teaching teachers in the process? [2010/06/19 6:21] Sheila Yoshikawa: although students also can add rigour as well as other creative input [2010/06/19 6:21] Sheila Yoshikawa: to the learning design [2010/06/19 6:21] Sheila Yoshikawa: so possibilities in many subject areas [2010/06/19 6:21] Sheila Yoshikawa: so these VEs support deep learning [2010/06/19 6:21] Sheila Yoshikawa: VWs, sorry [2010/06/19 6:22] Sheila Yoshikawa: active learning, and it's contextual [2010/06/19 6:22] Southern Georgia: question: in NA, educators have to deal with high stakes std tests. Also, educators are also on guard about student performance on these tests. How will virtual learning become aligned with these tests? [2010/06/19 6:22] Gdot Spires: Do all students experience theses things equally? [2010/06/19 6:22] Deanya Zenfold: can we all get a copy later of the speech? [2010/06/19 6:22] Gdot Spires: thnx [2010/06/19 6:23] Knowclue Kidd: good question... do all school have the same level of engagement in schools as they are designed now? [2010/06/19 6:23] Sheila Yoshikawa: Maggie says how students had ignored careful "induction" setups [2010/06/19 6:23] Sheila Yoshikawa: they helped each other informally [2010/06/19 6:23] Knowclue Kidd: For years... all students have been expected to adapt to the same interface of education, no matter how they learn [2010/06/19 6:23] Gdot Spires: OK thanks for that - yes better if they are exploring [2010/06/19 6:24] Sheila Yoshikawa: peer mentorship [2010/06/19 6:24] Sheila Yoshikawa: collaboration [2010/06/19 6:24] Sheila Yoshikawa: they just do it! [2010/06/19 6:24] Knowclue Kidd: Isn't it lovely to have a modality for learners who respond to a more interactive/visual interface? [2010/06/19 6:24] Sheila Yoshikawa: Maggie says she likes manuals, but the kids don't
  • 6. [2010/06/19 6:24] Gdot Spires: Thank you!! [2010/06/19 6:24] Sheila Yoshikawa: they just want to click [2010/06/19 6:24] Sheila Yoshikawa: so not equally engaged [2010/06/19 6:24] Sheila Yoshikawa: but level of engagement increased for all [2010/06/19 6:25] Knowclue Kidd: again... how many students are engaged in traditional classes? [2010/06/19 6:25] Sheila Yoshikawa: so shy students may emerge as leaders [2010/06/19 6:25] Sheila Yoshikawa: because of sense of presence [2010/06/19 6:25] Sheila Yoshikawa: sense of place [2010/06/19 6:25] Sheila Yoshikawa: so role play and storytelling [2010/06/19 6:25] Sheila Yoshikawa: and reflection [2010/06/19 6:25] Gdot Spires: Agree - immersion 'eventedness' is very powerful [2010/06/19 6:26] Sheila Yoshikawa: refection and metacognition [2010/06/19 6:26] Sheila Yoshikawa: and also importance of playfulness [2010/06/19 6:26] Sheila Yoshikawa: countering the norm, ie that work and play must be separate [2010/06/19 6:27] Sheila Yoshikawa: playfulness adds to the level of engagement [2010/06/19 6:27] Sheila Yoshikawa: need to find ways to bring it back into pedagogy [2010/06/19 6:27] Sheila Yoshikawa: also important - exploring identity [2010/06/19 6:27] Sheila Yoshikawa: exploring gender and race [2010/06/19 6:27] Sheila Yoshikawa: and cultural issues [2010/06/19 6:27] Jackie Darkstone: are students you work with very fluid in relation to the identity of avatars? [2010/06/19 6:27] Sheila Yoshikawa: contributing to a global literacy [2010/06/19 6:28] Riina Quirina: Identity of vampires=)? [2010/06/19 6:28] IM: Tetra Paean: Hello would you very kindly save a chat log and email it to Jackie and I later? I am not on my own pc as I originally planned [2010/06/19 6:28] Sheila Yoshikawa: also when student functions as avatar [2010/06/19 6:28] Sheila Yoshikawa: there is a semblance of anonymity [2010/06/19 6:29] Sheila Yoshikawa: and Maggie sees positive effects of this
  • 7. [2010/06/19 6:29] Sheila Yoshikawa: when she creates avatar names she creates fictitious names [2010/06/19 6:29] Sheila Yoshikawa: yet without exception [2010/06/19 6:29] Sheila Yoshikawa: the first thing they do [2010/06/19 6:29] Sheila Yoshikawa: is tell each other who they are [2010/06/19 6:29] Sheila Yoshikawa: in RL [2010/06/19 6:29] Gdot Spires: sorted [2010/06/19 6:29] Sheila Yoshikawa: yet what they see consistently is that although they share their identity [2010/06/19 6:30] Sheila Yoshikawa: with people in the class [2010/06/19 6:30] Sheila Yoshikawa: they still have this semblance of anonymity [2010/06/19 6:30] Sheila Yoshikawa: and students say it is because they are functioning as avatar [2010/06/19 6:30] Sheila Yoshikawa: so exploration of identity [2010/06/19 6:30] Sheila Yoshikawa: starting point is work by James Gee (is that the right spelling?) [2010/06/19 6:31] Gdot Spires: yes [2010/06/19 6:31] Sheila Yoshikawa: saying that there are 3 levels of identity [2010/06/19 6:31] Sheila Yoshikawa: as listed on the slide [2010/06/19 6:31] Sheila Yoshikawa: this crystallised for her [2010/06/19 6:31] Perplexity Peccable wonders if these slides will be in Slideshare [2010/06/19 6:31] Sheila Yoshikawa: the things she was seeing in student behaviour [2010/06/19 6:32] Sheila Yoshikawa: so could try on new roles [2010/06/19 6:32] Sheila Yoshikawa: like an engineer, a mathematician [2010/06/19 6:32] Sheila Yoshikawa: she is in a middle school, dealing with teens [2010/06/19 6:32] Perplexity Peccable: "hormone rain dance" - lol [2010/06/19 6:32] Sheila Yoshikawa: (anyone here know age range of a middle school?) [2010/06/19 6:32] Sheila Yoshikawa: (different names for school levels in uk) [2010/06/19 6:32] Perplexity Peccable: 10-13 [2010/06/19 6:33] Tetra Paean: just to mention Sarah Robbins has a double 'b'
  • 8. [2010/06/19 6:33] Sheila Yoshikawa: thanks [2010/06/19 6:33] Orange Planer: 10-15 [2010/06/19 6:33] Sheila Yoshikawa: in games and VWs meaning is actively constructed by the learner [2010/06/19 6:33] Sheila Yoshikawa: so is encouraged to assume an identity [2010/06/19 6:33] Tetra Paean: In some places she is known as Sarah Smith-Robbins as well [2010/06/19 6:33] Sheila Yoshikawa: and associated FREEDOM [2010/06/19 6:33] Sheila Yoshikawa: so can behave differently [2010/06/19 6:33] Sheila Yoshikawa: leading to deeper understanding [2010/06/19 6:34] Sheila Yoshikawa: also looking forward to Constance’s talk [2010/06/19 6:34] Sheila Yoshikawa: Maggie took her classroom experiences, those reported by teachers [2010/06/19 6:34] Sheila Yoshikawa: and the work by Constance etc illuminated it for her [2010/06/19 6:35] Sheila Yoshikawa: e.g. theories to do with exploring alternate identities without repercussion [2010/06/19 6:35] Sheila Yoshikawa: so what do students say [2010/06/19 6:35] Sheila Yoshikawa: the title of the talk is a direct quote from a student [2010/06/19 6:35] Sheila Yoshikawa: some more here on the slide [2010/06/19 6:36] Sheila Yoshikawa: going in without cliques, issues of clothing etc etc [2010/06/19 6:36] Sheila Yoshikawa: whole new socialisation [2010/06/19 6:36] Sheila Yoshikawa: different kind of peer esteem [2010/06/19 6:36] Sheila Yoshikawa: people who are most admired in SL [2010/06/19 6:36] Sheila Yoshikawa: are the ones who are most helpful [2010/06/19 6:36] Tetra Paean: excellent point - those who are most admired in SL are the most helpful! [2010/06/19 6:36] Sheila Yoshikawa: indeed! [2010/06/19 6:37] Sheila Yoshikawa: by accident hit on something [2010/06/19 6:37] Sheila Yoshikawa: had self contained classroom connected to the library [2010/06/19 6:37] Sheila Yoshikawa: people who had learning challenges
  • 9. [2010/06/19 6:37] Sheila Yoshikawa: because they were so few and next to the library [2010/06/19 6:37] Deanya Zenfold: I really do want to know how she does SL with middle schoolers, who aren't supposed to be here. ??? [2010/06/19 6:37] Sheila Yoshikawa: were "Petri dish" [2010/06/19 6:38] Sheila Yoshikawa: got them in early an they became the experts [2010/06/19 6:38] Sheila Yoshikawa: and that has done LOTS for that group [2010/06/19 6:38] Sheila Yoshikawa: getting more confidence and self esteem [2010/06/19 6:38] Sheila Yoshikawa: getting admiration [2010/06/19 6:38] Perplexity Peccable: there is a lock on the side [2010/06/19 6:39] Perplexity Peccable: oh dear - it is locked! [2010/06/19 6:39] Gdot Spires: There was a question on Identity from Jackie [2010/06/19 6:39] Perplexity Peccable: close [2010/06/19 6:39] Sheila Yoshikawa: yes I was just trying to find it [2010/06/19 6:39] Jackie Darkstone: it's ok, Maggie you answered it, I asked how fluid the kids were in relation to avatar identities [2010/06/19 6:39] Deanya Zenfold: and middle schoolers in sl? [2010/06/19 6:39] Southern Georgia: how do you teach mathematics in SL? [2010/06/19 6:40] Deanya Zenfold: teen grid? adult grid? [2010/06/19 6:40] Sheila Yoshikawa: they have addressed every curriculum area [2010/06/19 6:40] Sheila Yoshikawa: on Ramapo [2010/06/19 6:41] Sheila Yoshikawa: 3 projects in particular [2010/06/19 6:41] Sheila Yoshikawa: an immigration project [2010/06/19 6:41] Sheila Yoshikawa: an area called Ellis island [2010/06/19 6:41] Sheila Yoshikawa: children adding notecards and pictures [2010/06/19 6:41] Sheila Yoshikawa: which was ok [2010/06/19 6:41] Sheila Yoshikawa: they were learning something [2010/06/19 6:42] Sheila Yoshikawa: but not earth shattering in that first year [2010/06/19 6:42] Sheila Yoshikawa: so asked students! [2010/06/19 6:42] Sheila Yoshikawa: and had aha moment
  • 10. [2010/06/19 6:42] Constance Carnot accepted your inventory offer. [2010/06/19 6:42] Constance Carnot accepted your inventory offer. [2010/06/19 6:43] Sheila Yoshikawa: a student said all we are doing copying and pasting [2010/06/19 6:43] Sheila Yoshikawa: but we have researched these stories [2010/06/19 6:43] Sheila Yoshikawa: we could be role playing [2010/06/19 6:43] Ines Ogura: Brilliant! [2010/06/19 6:43] Sheila Yoshikawa: we could go through process of going to Ellis island [2010/06/19 6:43] Sheila Yoshikawa: the students would still need the knowledge [2010/06/19 6:44] Sheila Yoshikawa: but importantly could understand both sides by role playing immigration officer and immigrant [2010/06/19 6:44] Sheila Yoshikawa: next year [2010/06/19 6:44] Sheila Yoshikawa: students still did research [2010/06/19 6:44] Sheila Yoshikawa: but came into SL armed for 2 roles [2010/06/19 6:44] Sheila Yoshikawa: metaphorically that is [2010/06/19 6:44] Sheila Yoshikawa: needed to know right questions [2010/06/19 6:44] Sheila Yoshikawa: and the students about to be interviewed found their hands sweating [2010/06/19 6:45] Sheila Yoshikawa: and when switched roles it all changed [2010/06/19 6:45] Jackie Darkstone: fascinating [2010/06/19 6:45] Sheila Yoshikawa: on the first day about half were admitted [2010/06/19 6:45] Sheila Yoshikawa: on 2nd day (after swapping) about 90% got in [2010/06/19 6:45] Sheila Yoshikawa: empathy and understanding developed [2010/06/19 6:45] Tetra Paean: fabulous exercise in empathy indeed - and immigration question very relevant [2010/06/19 6:45] Sheila Yoshikawa: relevant to discussions of immigration today [2010/06/19 6:46] Oronoque Westland: perhaps we should send immigration officers to that class [2010/06/19 6:46] Jackie Darkstone: yes oronoque! [2010/06/19 6:46] Perplexity Peccable: agreed! [2010/06/19 6:46] Sheila Yoshikawa: also kids brought knowledge of role playing
  • 11. [2010/06/19 6:46] Sheila Yoshikawa: learnt in games etc [2010/06/19 6:46] Sheila Yoshikawa: picture of Ellis island experience [2010/06/19 6:47] Sheila Yoshikawa: have done this 3 or 4 times now [2010/06/19 6:47] Tetra Paean: extraordinarily good idea - this particular role play [2010/06/19 6:47] Sheila Yoshikawa: and successful each time [2010/06/19 6:47] Glow Jacobus: how old are these kids? [2010/06/19 6:48] IM: Jackie Darkstone: yes of course, sorry I should have offered! [2010/06/19 6:48] Sheila Yoshikawa: next project is one on body image [2010/06/19 6:48] Sheila Yoshikawa: teachers shows a clip from a beauty campaign [2010/06/19 6:49] Sheila Yoshikawa: showing usual transformation that you get, I think it was that film that showed how the image was manipulated and airbrushed and so forth, showing the unreality [2010/06/19 6:49] Sheila Yoshikawa: on 2nd day in SL they tell students to make their avatar beautiful [2010/06/19 6:50] Sheila Yoshikawa: so women tend to have dolly Parton assets and men have broad shoulders [2010/06/19 6:50] Sheila Yoshikawa: and then they get into conversation about why do you think I want you to look like that [2010/06/19 6:50] Sheila Yoshikawa: and lots of participation [2010/06/19 6:51] Sheila Yoshikawa: on day 3 - also make your avatar beautiful but switch gender [2010/06/19 6:51] Sheila Yoshikawa: some kids get angry [2010/06/19 6:51] Sheila Yoshikawa: e.g. "we can't all look like Beyonce" [2010/06/19 6:51] Sheila Yoshikawa: or "my voice is going to change, I'm going to get taller" [2010/06/19 6:51] Sheila Yoshikawa: can get very emotional [2010/06/19 6:51] Sheila Yoshikawa: e.g. eating disorders [2010/06/19 6:52] Sheila Yoshikawa: issues about why this happens [2010/06/19 6:52] Sheila Yoshikawa: new arena to speak minds and speak hearts with teacher standing by [2010/06/19 6:52] Sheila Yoshikawa: also on last day say to go back to avatar they are comfortable with
  • 12. [2010/06/19 6:53] Sheila Yoshikawa: also leads to discussion about RL body and whether people can take positive steps to be healthier and so forth [2010/06/19 6:53] Perplexity Peccable wishes this was being recorded [2010/06/19 6:53] Sheila Yoshikawa: also more philosophical conversations [2010/06/19 6:54] IM: Jackie Darkstone: Sheila, we won't have much time for questions as the next talk is in 6mins! [2010/06/19 6:54] Sheila Yoshikawa: teacher felt that people would never get to that point in RL classroom [2010/06/19 6:55] Sheila Yoshikawa: so this is the third story [2010/06/19 6:55] Maggie Marat: Atlantis Rising Campus [2010/06/19 6:55] Sheila Yoshikawa: you can go there and participate in this story world. [2010/06/19 6:55] Jackie Darkstone: so right! [2010/06/19 6:55] Sheila Yoshikawa: we can't keep saying 21st century literacy [2010/06/19 6:55] Sheila Yoshikawa: we are in it! [2010/06/19 6:56] Jackie Darkstone: claps loudly [2010/06/19 6:56] Tetra Paean: thank you ! [2010/06/19 6:56] Tetra Paean: fab [2010/06/19 6:56] Maggie Marat: :-) [2010/06/19 6:56] Matt Medina applauds [2010/06/19 6:56] Perplexity Peccable: applause!! [2010/06/19 6:56] Deanya Zenfold: yaya! thank you!!! [2010/06/19 6:56] Gdot Spires: clap [2010/06/19 6:56] Baird Barnard: Applause!!!!!!! [2010/06/19 6:56] Bobbi Birdsong: Clap Thank You! [2010/06/19 6:56] Jackie Darkstone: fantastic, thank you! [2010/06/19 6:56] Shailey Garfield: Thanks, Maggie [2010/06/19 6:56] Gdot Spires: great [2010/06/19 6:56] Glow Jacobus: clap!!!! [2010/06/19 6:56] Alt Bernitz: Thank you sorry I yawned accidently! [2010/06/19 6:56] Ines Ogura: clap clap
  • 13. [2010/06/19 6:56] Gwynne Spingflower: thank you -- very interesting presentation! [2010/06/19 6:56] Gdot Spires: thank you!!!! [2010/06/19 6:56] Bobbi Birdsong: Really interesting. [2010/06/19 6:56] Ines Ogura: Very inspiring. [2010/06/19 6:56] Jackie Darkstone: how did the parents of the children who participated respond to this work? [2010/06/19 6:57] Matt Medina: is the slideshow available? [2010/06/19 6:57] Perplexity Peccable: Yes - would love to see the slideshow in Slideshare [2010/06/19 6:57] Rebekah Raymation: What do you think teachers need to hear about play in order to be convinced that we need to make space for play in schools? [2010/06/19 6:58] Jackie Darkstone: how interesting [2010/06/19 6:59] Jackie Darkstone: perhaps we worry too much about those things! [2010/06/19 6:59] Perplexity Peccable: those would be very helpful [2010/06/19 6:59] Perplexity Peccable: Sounds a bit ASD [2010/06/19 6:59] Perplexity Peccable: aspergerian [2010/06/19 6:59] Jackie Darkstone: thanks! [2010/06/19 6:59] Perplexity Peccable: would be lovely to share the letters you prepared for parents [2010/06/19 7:00] Gdot Spires: Is it about information or knowledge/meaning-making? [2010/06/19 7:00] Perplexity Peccable: why it's important, why we need it, what it feels like [2010/06/19 7:01] Perplexity Peccable: excellent! [2010/06/19 7:01] Perplexity Peccable: thank you [2010/06/19 7:01] Perplexity Peccable: will the slides be in Slideshare? [2010/06/19 7:01] Maggie Marat: [2010/06/19 7:01] Deanya Zenfold: why did you decide WOW instead of SL? [2010/06/19 7:01] Baird Barnard: Ah fantastic thanks [2010/06/19 7:01] Maggie Marat: [2010/06/19 7:02] Jackie Darkstone: thank you - loud applause and cheers !!!!!! [2010/06/19 7:02] Deanya Zenfold: great great resources -- thank you so much! [2010/06/19 7:02] Deanya Zenfold: no
  • 14. [2010/06/19 7:02] Bobbi Birdsong: Thank you!! [2010/06/19 7:02] Baird Barnard: the globes not on [2010/06/19 7:02] Glow Jacobus: fantastic, thanks so much. [2010/06/19 7:02] Deanya Zenfold: it doesn't work [2010/06/19 7:02] Tetra Paean: don't think the globe works [2010/06/19 7:02] Perplexity Peccable: grab a copy of what? [2010/06/19 7:02] Matt Medina: hmm, the globe doesn't work for me [2010/06/19 7:02] Tetra Paean: but it has been great [2010/06/19 7:02] Deanya Zenfold: it's not full perms [2010/06/19 7:02] Perplexity Peccable: no [2010/06/19 7:03] Perplexity Peccable: nope [2010/06/19 7:03] Riina Quirina: yeas thanks [2010/06/19 7:03] Deanya Zenfold: no [2010/06/19 7:03] Deanya Zenfold: the presentation itself is not full perms [2010/06/19 7:03] Gdot Spires: THANK YOU!!! [2010/06/19 7:03] Maggie Marat:] [2010/06/19 7:08] Perplexity Peccable: Sheila, we hear you typing [2010/06/19 7:08] Kalyan Horatio is Offline [2010/06/19 7:08] Sheila Yoshikawa: sorry I had left my mic on! [2010/06/19 7:08] Perplexity Peccable: :) [2010/06/19 7:08] Sheila Yoshikawa smacks wrist for leaving mic on [2010/06/19 7:08] Shailey Garfield: and you were also yawning!:) [2010/06/19 7:09] Gwynne Spingflower: I was.. Sorry, but I got up early today! [2010/06/19 7:10] Deanya Zenfold: where is tetra? [2010/06/19 7:10] Jackie Darkstone: no [2010/06/19 7:10] Gdot Spires: Nope [2010/06/19 7:10] Jackie Darkstone: *no [2010/06/19 7:10] Deanya Zenfold: can't hear without zoning in on her
  • 15. [2010/06/19 7:11] Perplexity Peccable: Kzero! I love them [2010/06/19 7:11] Orange Planer: Tetra may wish to increase the volume of her microphone. ------------- Tetra Paean at this point talked about the research series in general ------------ [2010/06/19 7:11] Tetra Paean: What does it say on the outside of the National Archives in Washington DC [2010/06/19 7:12] Deanya Zenfold: can you just hold a balloon or something? [2010/06/19 7:12] Tetra Paean: If you cannot hear me try zooming towards me with ALT and camera control. [2010/06/19 7:12] Tetra Paean: however I will type also [2010/06/19 7:12] Deanya Zenfold: I don't know where you are standing [2010/06/19 7:12] Tetra Paean: This is the end of the seminar series [2010/06/19 7:12] Orange Planer: In the middle, Deanya. [2010/06/19 7:12] Tetra Paean: I am standing in the centre circle [2010/06/19 7:12] Gdot Spires: She's in the very middle [2010/06/19 7:12] Deanya Zenfold: ah there you are now [2010/06/19 7:12] Tetra Paean: I have a very duff KB [2010/06/19 7:13] Tetra Paean: OK enough excuses :-) [2010/06/19 7:13] Gdot Spires: looks like Rebecca’s ready to go??? [2010/06/19 7:13] Tetra Paean: what does it say on the outside of the National Archives in Washington DC [2010/06/19 7:13] Tetra Paean: If R is ready to go, tell me and I will continue this at the end [2010/06/19 7:13] Sheila Yoshikawa: I'm just putting a transparent wall in front of the presenter to stop people clicking it [2010/06/19 7:13] Tetra Paean: it is very brief but pertinent! [2010/06/19 7:14] Gdot Spires: Is that what it says? [2010/06/19 7:14] Deanya Zenfold: haha! [2010/06/19 7:14] Gdot Spires: :)
  • 16. [2010/06/19 7:14] Tetra Paean: "The past is prelude" [2010/06/19 7:14] Tetra Paean: that is the case with this seminar series. [2010/06/19 7:14] Tetra Paean: we are going to produce a book, and other outputs and I ask anybody with any interest at all to contact me. [2010/06/19 7:14] Tetra Paean: - or Jackie Marsh or Guy Merchant [2010/06/19 7:15] Gdot Spires: [2010/06/19 7:15] Jackie Darkstone: ---------------- Starseed Sodwind (Rebecca Black outside SL, Assistant Professor Language, Literacy, and Technology, Department of Education, University of California, Irvine) presented in voice on “Early Childhood Literacy in Virtual Worlds.” The transcriber was Jackie Darkstone. From 7.28 onwards, she is using a text provided by Starseed herself. ------------------------- [2010/06/19 7:15] Tetra Paean: excellent [2010/06/19 7:16] Gdot Spires: Yes we're with you on that Rebecca [2010/06/19 7:17] Perplexity Peccable: very loud [2010/06/19 7:17] Gdot Spires: Yes great [2010/06/19 7:17] Deanya Zenfold: yes [2010/06/19 7:17] Sheila Yoshikawa: a little bit distorted [2010/06/19 7:17] Tetra Paean: yes [2010/06/19 7:17] Riina Quirina: ys [2010/06/19 7:17] Sheila Yoshikawa: but audible [2010/06/19 7:17] Orange Planer: Yes, extremely good sound. [2010/06/19 7:17] Gdot Spires: good [2010/06/19 7:17] Sheila Yoshikawa: yes I think that was better [2010/06/19 7:17] Jackie Darkstone: yes thanks [2010/06/19 7:17] Shailey Garfield: Yes [2010/06/19 7:17] Jackie Darkstone: starseed will start from slide 3
  • 17. [2010/06/19 7:18] Jackie Darkstone: in recent years there has been a huge increase in virtual worlds for young children [2010/06/19 7:18] Jackie Darkstone: 2m in pixie hollow [2010/06/19 7:18] Jackie Darkstone accepted your inventory offer. [2010/06/19 7:18] Jackie Darkstone: 83 million users in poptropica [2010/06/19 7:19] Jackie Darkstone: webkinz - 10m and webkinz will be the worlds starseed focuses on [2010/06/19 7:19] Jackie Darkstone: club penguin also [2010/06/19 7:19] Jackie Darkstone: talk will look at developmentally appropriateness of spaces [2010/06/19 7:20] Jackie Darkstone: starseed has been looking at traditional literacies and digital literacies [2010/06/19 7:20] IM: Tetra Paean: shall I type for Constance (if she speaks) [2010/06/19 7:20] Jackie Darkstone: spaces break down producer/ consumer binary [2010/06/19 7:21] Jackie Darkstone: club penguin and webkinz aimed at kids 6-14 [2010/06/19 7:21] Jackie Darkstone: webkinz - spend currency called kinz cash [2010/06/19 7:21] Jackie Darkstone: don't have to buy a stuffed animal in club penguin as you do in webkinz [2010/06/19 7:22] Jackie Darkstone: CP has free membership but can only decorate igloo with paid membership [2010/06/19 7:22] Jackie Darkstone: these vws are productive contexts for literacy [2010/06/19 7:22] Jackie Darkstone: literacy texts, artefacts and scaffolding in-world [2010/06/19 7:23] Jackie Darkstone: such as welcome tutorials [2010/06/19 7:23] Riina Quirina: slides rez too slow to see all [2010/06/19 7:23] Jackie Darkstone: these tutorial helps children to learn how to use the dock [2010/06/19 7:23] Jackie Darkstone: helps kids learn what gee calls technical language of the site [2010/06/19 7:23] Orange Planer: The slides rez very quickly for me. [2010/06/19 7:24] Tetra Paean: I think it's terrific, Rebecca - especially having struggled myself yesterday [2010/06/19 7:24] Jackie Darkstone: no problem, the talk is very interesting
  • 18. [2010/06/19 7:24] Jackie Darkstone: these sites have a good amount of environmental print [2010/06/19 7:24] Jackie Darkstone: lots of functional literacy - instructions, rules for navigation [2010/06/19 7:25] Jackie Darkstone: all can help children learn literacy skills [2010/06/19 7:25] Jackie Darkstone: some sites full of immersive advertising [2010/06/19 7:25] Jackie Darkstone: the webkinz newspaper is a good example of this, it positions children as consumers [2010/06/19 7:26] Maggie Marat: [2010/06/19 7:26] Jackie Darkstone: the column here encourages children to purchase webkinz items [2010/06/19 7:26] Jackie Darkstone: and doesn't feature children's writing [2010/06/19 7:27] Jackie Darkstone: very few opportunities for play in webkinz [2010/06/19 7:27] Jackie Darkstone: need to balance authentic communication and play with parental concerns [2010/06/19 7:28] Jackie Darkstone: Clearly Ganz has to balance opportunities for authentic communication and play with parents’ concerns about safety on the site, but the chat systems are so prohibitive and poorly designed that many of the children I’ve spoken with don’t even use them. For example, Kinzchat is the prestructured or safest messaging system. To communicate, you have to choose from 3 categories, ASK, SAY, or RAP. So if you choose Say, you get a second list of topics to choose from such as About you, About me, About Webkinz [2010/06/19 7:29] Jackie Darkstone: Kinzchatplus, which requires parental permission, allows children to type in their own messages, doesn’t allow misspellings and it excludes so many words and phrases that it keeps children from being able to use invented spelling and to experiment with different language structures (which are crucial parts of language development). [2010/06/19 7:29] Jackie Darkstone: Also, the choices about what isn’t permissible may be hard for children to understand. For example, you can type child, elderly, and middle, but you can’t type adult, baby or aged/ You can type first and second base, but you can’t type third or fourth base. But what’s more disturbing than the randomness, is that it forces players to use improper grammar. [2010/06/19 7:30] Jackie Darkstone: So in this example, there were some pets sitting around a campfire in the park, and one player wanted to say that a lot of other pets were coming to sit around the fire, but the system blocks the word "coming", so the player had to use a grammatically incorrect construction to get the point across. This happens quite frequently and can be very confusing for ELLs and early readers and writers. [2010/06/19 7:30] Jackie Darkstone: So in the newspaper the chat system, basically in the entire site, children are consumers and users of content and language that’s created and
  • 19. policed by adults. On a more positive note though, since I’ve been studying the site, Ganz has added this "Suggest a Word"• feature as a way of trying to address some of these problems. [2010/06/19 7:31] Jackie Darkstone: CP, on the other hand, positions children in notably different ways. For example, this is the CP Times, which it has been suggested has a broader readership than New York Daily News, the Chicago Tribune or the Dallas Morning News. As you can see, advertisements are notably absent in this paper. [2010/06/19 7:31] Baird Barnard: WOW [2010/06/19 7:31] Jackie Darkstone: Similar to the W paper, children are encouraged to submit content such as questions, comics, poems, jokes, or riddles to Aunt Aortic and the site actually publishes them. And this is just one of the many ways that CP encourages children to take active roles in contributing to the site. [2010/06/19 7:32] Jackie Darkstone: CP also has a prestructured messaging system called Ultimate Safe Chat, with many of the same problems as the W system. But they also have a standard chat system that can be used throughout the world, and this system is much less restrictive than the one in W it allows for invented spelling, natural use of language, and it also opens up a greater space for participatory culture. [2010/06/19 7:33] Jackie Darkstone: Because players can communicate freely, they take up different roles on the site. As a example, this is a player who hosts talk shows in her igloo and then posts them on Youtube, so here she’s interviewing Lady Gaga [penguin in the blond wig]. This sort of identity experimentation, sociodramatic play is all an important part of children and young adults’ language and social development. [2010/06/19 7:34] Jackie Darkstone: CP also has a lot of material to support traditional literacy practices, but CP infuses these materials with the affordances of the online format. For example, this book here, Cpn Rockhopper’s Journal, if you read it all the way through, it contains a key that can be used to get into an exclusive space in the game, but I had to search online fan sites to find out how to use it. So a big part of participation in this space involves distributed knowledge and player produced content [2010/06/19 7:34] Jackie Darkstone: - part of a new literacies ethos. [2010/06/19 7:34] Jackie Darkstone: With neighborhood and school-based play spaces on the decline, virtual environments increasingly are the sociocultural contexts in which children learn, socialize, and play [2010/06/19 7:35] Jackie Darkstone: Considering the sheer numbers of children who are in some way impacted by the literacies and social messages perpetuated in these popular spaces, it’s important that parents, teachers, and education researchers alike have at least a basic (if not in depth) understanding of what players are doing in these spaces. [2010/06/19 7:36] Jackie Darkstone: Also, literacy researchers and educators should begin to consider how the literacy materials and skills that children are engaging with in these sites may impact their attitudes toward and performance with school-based practices. Also, because these sites are influential in terms of children’s culture, designers of these sites
  • 20. should become aware of how educational and developmental research can be brought to bear to improving the educational, and perhaps social, impact of their worlds. [2010/06/19 7:36] Deanya Zenfold: thank you! [2010/06/19 7:36] Baird Barnard: Yes [2010/06/19 7:36] Jackie Darkstone: excellent, thanks Starseed! [2010/06/19 7:36] Gdot Spires: YES It was great!!!! [2010/06/19 7:36] Tetra Paean: clap! yes it worked great for me [2010/06/19 7:36] Gdot Spires: Thank you Starseed [2010/06/19 7:36] Gwynne Spingflower: Thank you! [2010/06/19 7:36] Glow Jacobus: thanks! [2010/06/19 7:36] Gdot Spires: clap clap clap [2010/06/19 7:36] Baird Barnard: :) APPLAUDS [2010/06/19 7:36] Bobbi Birdsong: Thank you!! [2010/06/19 7:36] Tetra Paean: cheeers! [2010/06/19 7:36] Jackie Darkstone: claps loudly!!!! [2010/06/19 7:36] Constance Carnot: thank you! [2010/06/19 7:36] Maggie Marat: wOOt! [2010/06/19 7:36] Gee Pausch: Great Job [2010/06/19 7:36] Deanya Zenfold: what do you think of Habbo? [2010/06/19 7:36] Gdot Spires: *cheer* [2010/06/19 7:37] Rebekah Raymation: what do you think kids are learning about economics of websites? [2010/06/19 7:38] Deanya Zenfold: thank you [2010/06/19 7:38] Rebekah Raymation: no more about how websites are funded [2010/06/19 7:39] Jackie Darkstone: is webkinz aimed largely at girls? [2010/06/19 7:40] Jackie Darkstone: thanks - I note that the webkinz films on youtube are often made by girls [2010/06/19 7:40] Jackie Darkstone: sorry about spelling! [2010/06/19 7:41] Jackie Darkstone: but safe chat also allows young kids to participate
  • 21. [2010/06/19 7:41] Deanya Zenfold: they are expanding kid's abilities to get around safe chat haha [2010/06/19 7:41] Jackie Darkstone: who find typing in difficult [2010/06/19 7:42] Glow Jacobus: it's the child protection lobby [2010/06/19 7:42] Jackie Darkstone: a bit like me today!! [2010/06/19 7:42] Glow Jacobus: very strong in the uk [2010/06/19 7:42] Sheila Yoshikawa: interesting point from Jackie that can also be helpful [2010/06/19 7:42] Glow Jacobus: but influential in usa [2010/06/19 7:42] Gdot Spires: I( think there's plenty of subversion [2010/06/19 7:42] Sheila Yoshikawa: for those who have problems in articulating [2010/06/19 7:42] Deanya Zenfold: we are encouraging them to make up altered spellings etc. [2010/06/19 7:42] Jackie Darkstone: so some sites safe chat is not as prohibitive [2010/06/19 7:42] Gdot Spires: and plenty of literacy out-of-world that winds around it [2010/06/19 7:42] Starseed Sodwind: Yes, the subversion is fascinating! [2010/06/19 7:42] Baird Barnard: wonders how that blends with text chat on phones [2010/06/19 7:42] Tetra Paean: But Jackie invented writing and young children using twitter as we have seen today and previously shows how motivation to write can be so beneficial - I know you would agree with that, sorry , not quite your point [2010/06/19 7:42] Gdot Spires: dare I say a 'constellation'??? [2010/06/19 7:43] Knowclue Kidd: we are going to "protect" kids from learning anything! [2010/06/19 7:43] Jackie Darkstone: yes but kids say other avatars walk off sometimes if they didn’t type fast enough! [2010/06/19 7:43] Knowclue Kidd: BTW... it's kids jobs to find their way around restrictions [2010/06/19 7:43] Knowclue Kidd: lol [2010/06/19 7:43] Jackie Darkstone: so for kids who would take a while to type, saying hello using chat menu is helpful [2010/06/19 7:44] Knowclue Kidd: There is a big difference between creating safe harbors for kids and restricting them to the degree that they cannot make mistakes [2010/06/19 7:44] Jackie Darkstone: I am not saying it should only be safe chat available, not at all, just that there is another side to it [2010/06/19 7:44] Jackie Darkstone: for the younger kids 3-5
  • 22. [2010/06/19 7:44] Knowclue Kidd: Don't get me wrong [2010/06/19 7:44] Starseed Sodwind: Yes, I think it can be helpful, but developmentally challenging for many younger users [2010/06/19 7:44] Knowclue Kidd: I agree with making it safe.... [2010/06/19 7:45] Deanya Zenfold: and even for dyslexic kids [2010/06/19 7:45] Deanya Zenfold: what is going to happen when voice chat comes to these worlds? [2010/06/19 7:45] Deanya Zenfold: will it still be about written literacy? [2010/06/19 7:45] Jackie Darkstone: interesting point deanya, will be good for multilingual communities [2010/06/19 7:45] Knowclue Kidd: but I just here a kind of hysteria in general about sanitizing and locking down everything to guarantee no issues [2010/06/19 7:45] Maggie Marat: doubtful that it will - the tech is already inplace if they wanted to use voice [2010/06/19 7:46] Tetra Paean: yes knowclue kidd I agree [2010/06/19 7:46] Deanya Zenfold: no it's still in early adoption -- give it 10 more years [2010/06/19 7:46] Alt Bernitz: but it is easier to text than talk which is why it is so silent now [2010/06/19 7:46] Maggie Marat: I would suspect that no voice was a purposeful decision on the part of the developers [2010/06/19 7:46] Baird Barnard: skypes been around for 5 yrs [2010/06/19 7:46] Glow Jacobus: definitely overblown worries in many quarters, and media hype. [2010/06/19 7:46] Maggie Marat: Voip is available everywhere [2010/06/19 7:46] Deanya Zenfold: exactly -- those will evaporate in time [2010/06/19 7:46] Deanya Zenfold: we're still early adopters! [2010/06/19 7:46] Jackie Darkstone: yes! [2010/06/19 7:46] Knowclue Kidd: exactly.... we have to be realistic, and focus on helping kids develop safe and smart skills.. even little ones [2010/06/19 7:46] Deanya Zenfold: believe it or not lol [2010/06/19 7:46] Knowclue Kidd: we teach them how to hold scissors [2010/06/19 7:47] Knowclue Kidd: and cross the road [2010/06/19 7:47] Maggie Marat: and drive
  • 23. [2010/06/19 7:47] Knowclue Kidd: and not touch the stove ... [2010/06/19 7:47] Knowclue Kidd: and they make mistakes [2010/06/19 7:47] Deanya Zenfold: lol [2010/06/19 7:47] Kate Miranda: Do we need the @#$%ing new viewer for this presentation or can the 90% of us on other viewers see it? [2010/06/19 7:47] Knowclue Kidd: and we pray to god that they are not serious, but it is part of growing up [2010/06/19 7:47] Jackie Darkstone: I think that having a chat menu and allowing open chat at the same time would be helpful for the younger kids and mean we wouldn't need this debate! [2010/06/19 7:47] Maggie Marat: all viewers work [2010/06/19 7:47] Knowclue Kidd: sorry... on a soapbox here, [2010/06/19 7:47] Kate Miranda: Thank you :-) [2010/06/19 7:48] Knowclue Kidd sheepishly sinks back into her seat and vows to quiet down [2010/06/19 7:48] Maggie Marat: NOOOO Knowclue! [2010/06/19 7:48] Deanya Zenfold: lol you’re good knowclue! [2010/06/19 7:48] Jackie Darkstone: lol [2010/06/19 7:48] Baird Barnard: yes [2010/06/19 7:48] Maggie Marat: yep [2010/06/19 7:48] Tetra Paean: yes Constance [2010/06/19 7:48] Deanya Zenfold: yes [2010/06/19 7:48] Maggie Marat: all good [2010/06/19 7:48] Jackie Darkstone: yes [2010/06/19 7:48] Scorpion Foton: yes [2010/06/19 7:48] Sheila Yoshikawa: can people hear her? [2010/06/19 7:48] Constance Carnot: yea! [2010/06/19 7:48] Berry Dubratt: yees [2010/06/19 7:48] Riina Quirina: ok [2010/06/19 7:48] Gdot Spires: ys
  • 24. [2010/06/19 7:48] Knowclue Kidd: I just thinks as educators we need to help maintain perspective [2010/06/19 7:48] Gwynne Spingflower: Ok [2010/06/19 7:48] Glow Jacobus: yes [2010/06/19 7:48] Knowclue Kidd: that's all [2010/06/19 7:48] Maggie Marat: and your tv too lol [2010/06/19 7:48] Sheila Yoshikawa: Tetra will be transcribing this session [2010/06/19 7:49] Maggie Marat: kiddos in room no doubt Constance = multitasking Mama! [2010/06/19 7:49] Tetra Paean: If you click on the bottle you get a notecard [2010/06/19 7:49] Tetra Paean: do look at the posters before you go if you have a chance [2010/06/19 7:50] Maggie Marat: WooT! Librarians Rawk [2010/06/19 7:50] Tetra Paean: necklace is available from a small vendor [2010/06/19 7:50] Tetra Paean: Constance will speak shortly [2010/06/19 7:50] Tetra Paean: My text will be concise ------------------------ Constance Carnot (Constance Steinkuehler outside SL, Assistant Professor, University of Wisconsin-Madison) presented in voice on "Virtual worlds at the nexus of a constellation of literacy practice." The transcriber was Tetra Paean. ---------------------------- [2010/06/19 7:50] Tetra Paean: CS is speaking to us from Madison Wisconsin [2010/06/19 7:51] Sheila Yoshikawa: lol [2010/06/19 7:51] Deanya Zenfold: haha! [2010/06/19 7:51] Gdot Spires: ha ha [2010/06/19 7:51] Sheila Yoshikawa: coffee is good [2010/06/19 7:51] Tetra Paean: CS is afraid to get rid of coffee in case clothes go too:-) [2010/06/19 7:51] Matt Medina: I hear you. been there, done that. [2010/06/19 7:52] Sheila Yoshikawa: ;-) [2010/06/19 7:52] Tetra Paean: CS's 6 month old baby is in her lap ahhhh [2010/06/19 7:52] Tetra Paean: I will assume everybody is looking at CS's slides.
  • 25. [2010/06/19 7:52] Tetra Paean: MMOG are different from VWs but share some features [2010/06/19 7:53] Tetra Paean: a lot of freedom for players even in games [2010/06/19 7:53] Tetra Paean: beauty and mundanity of everyday life reproduced [2010/06/19 7:53] Tetra Paean: even when people are besieging castles or whatever [2010/06/19 7:54] Jackie Darkstone: cold in Sheffield! [2010/06/19 7:54] Tetra Paean: CS has lovely weather, infant in lap yet is also drinking coffee with us in cold Sheffield [2010/06/19 7:54] Tetra Paean: Well done CS, received new Macarthur grant [2010/06/19 7:54] Maggie Marat: LV 80 Paladin [2010/06/19 7:54] Jackie Darkstone: no [2010/06/19 7:54] Tetra Paean: is shifting from WoW to Runescape [2010/06/19 7:54] Kate Miranda: a bit [2010/06/19 7:54] Greylin Fairweather: Horde! [2010/06/19 7:54] Scorpion Foton: never tried it [2010/06/19 7:54] Meimei Nirvana: nod [2010/06/19 7:55] Tetra Paean: CS research generally follows what everyday people play [2010/06/19 7:55] Tetra Paean: except Runescape - has turned to it because it is so interesting as belonging to 12-16 year olds [2010/06/19 7:56] Tetra Paean: red on timeline shows period of collecting data [2010/06/19 7:56] Tetra Paean: since 2002 [2010/06/19 7:56] Maggie Marat: Why do you think the 12-16 year olds are in Runescape? economics? hardware requirements? [2010/06/19 7:57] Tetra Paean: CS researches collective problem solving, literacy practices, science, computational literacy... [2010/06/19 7:57] Tetra Paean: and pop cosmopolitanism - what happens to young people who do not live in diverse environments but join these spaces [2010/06/19 7:57] Tetra Paean: recently she has looked at young boys who are disengaged from school [2010/06/19 7:58] Tetra Paean: but interested in games. so they ran an after school club for them [2010/06/19 7:58] Tetra Paean: Speed is fine CS
  • 26. [2010/06/19 7:58] Jackie Darkstone: no fine thanks [2010/06/19 7:58] Gdot Spires: NO IT's FINE PACE [2010/06/19 7:58] Perplexity Peccable: will these slides be in Slideshare? This is pretty dense ... [2010/06/19 7:58] Perplexity Peccable: "Reading at Risk" report [2010/06/19 7:58] Tetra Paean: Digital media and video games get blamed for a lot [2010/06/19 7:59] Tetra Paean: yet CS knew from the beginning that game play involved considerable literacy [2010/06/19 7:59] Tetra Paean: Literacy to do with encoding meaning, making meaning through various modes [2010/06/19 7:59] Maggie Marat: Amen! [2010/06/19 8:00] Tetra Paean: Recognises a need to communicate to audiences that are suspicious of video games etc and see as a threat to traditional literacies [2010/06/19 8:00] Gdot Spires: It's all in here!! [2010/06/19 8:00] Tetra Paean: Blue oval here shows literacy practices within game [2010/06/19 8:00] Kate Miranda: My 30-something lawyer son wrote a roleplaying game based on the Odyssey in Grade 8 due to his interest/participation in D&D that was outlawed in his school at the time due to religious hysteria [2010/06/19 8:00] Tetra Paean: but there are also massive literacy practices around a game, [2010/06/19 8:00] Tetra Paean: exposition, fandom, metagame practices etc [2010/06/19 8:01] Sheila Yoshikawa: yes, also links to studies looking at information behaviours concerned with game playing, requiring or evidencing considerable information literacy [2010/06/19 8:01] Gdot Spires: and are all gamers interacting with same range of texts?? [2010/06/19 8:01] Tetra Paean: Interviewed WoW gamers [2010/06/19 8:01] Tetra Paean: thank you Orange Planer we appreciate your being here [2010/06/19 8:02] Tetra Paean: Breakdown of types of literacy resources [2010/06/19 8:02] Tetra Paean: expository texts can be generally hard for kids to deal with in trad edn yet are very prominent here [2010/06/19 8:02] Tetra Paean: fan fiction - very creative genres [2010/06/19 8:03] Tetra Paean: discussion forums - a place where they are doing science- like forms of inquiry
  • 27. [2010/06/19 8:03] Tetra Paean: so, young people are dealing with diverse, complex texts especially expository [2010/06/19 8:04] Tetra Paean: WoW players generally list Wowhead as an important resource for them [2010/06/19 8:04] Tetra Paean: CS explaining how complex these practices are but it is a bit too complex for me to precis [2010/06/19 8:05] Tetra Paean: Debates as to decisions made in game engaged in outside the game involving very complicated texts [2010/06/19 8:05] Tetra Paean: definition is fine [2010/06/19 8:05] Baird Barnard: takes a sec to kick in [2010/06/19 8:05] Gdot Spires: its fine just needs a few seconds [2010/06/19 8:06] Tetra Paean: CS is now describing reading level assessment of the text according to well established tests for difficulty [2010/06/19 8:07] Tetra Paean: on average those texts required high school graduation literacy ie definitely more complicated than typical US newspaper texts [2010/06/19 8:07] Tetra Paean: refers to Gee's arguments that many such texts bridge to academic discourses [2010/06/19 8:08] Tetra Paean: 4% very specialist discourse (to game) so particularly demanding [2010/06/19 8:09] Tetra Paean: Worked with 22 boys. studied their reading levels [2010/06/19 8:09] Tetra Paean: then had them read Wowhead resources and school textbook [2010/06/19 8:09] Tetra Paean: (my opinion - this is such a powerful exercise) [2010/06/19 8:09] Deanya Zenfold: yes [2010/06/19 8:09] Jackie Darkstone: fine thanks [2010/06/19 8:09] Deanya Zenfold: nice [2010/06/19 8:09] Maggie Marat: yepyep all good [2010/06/19 8:10] Tetra Paean: back to very brief precis of CS for those with sound difficulties [2010/06/19 8:10] Perplexity Peccable: there is a lock on the slide viewer to prevent audience "accidental involvement" [2010/06/19 8:10] Tetra Paean: These were not very academically engaged boys, were reading well below their grade level
  • 28. [2010/06/19 8:10] Tetra Paean: even as much as 5 grades below [2010/06/19 8:11] Tetra Paean: somebody else is touching the slide controls perhaps by mistake [2010/06/19 8:11] Jackie Darkstone: there is a screen in front to stop that tetra [2010/06/19 8:11] Tetra Paean: boys were choosing to read texts above their level [2010/06/19 8:12] Tetra Paean: OK Jackie you explain it! [2010/06/19 8:12] Tetra Paean: tee hee [2010/06/19 8:12] Jackie Darkstone: can't sorry!!! [2010/06/19 8:12] Scorpion Foton: could be lag [2010/06/19 8:12] Jackie Darkstone: the wonders of SL? [2010/06/19 8:12] Scorpion Foton: lol [2010/06/19 8:12] Deanya Zenfold: the wonders of pizza [2010/06/19 8:12] Tetra Paean: Offered pizza to 3 of the struggling boys to come back into the lab [2010/06/19 8:13] Tetra Paean: and demonstrated that when they are allowed to choose their texts... [2010/06/19 8:13] Jackie Darkstone: lol [2010/06/19 8:13] Scorpion Foton: I'd go to the lab for 3 cold slices now [2010/06/19 8:13] Tetra Paean: very precisely aligned to their interests.... [2010/06/19 8:13] Tetra Paean: if anyone in Sheffield wants to help themselves to my cheeky takeaway - well I have my back turned and am typing away! [2010/06/19 8:14] Sheila Yoshikawa: very interesting [2010/06/19 8:14] Tetra Paean: CS test demonstrates that when motivation is strongest, the boys display tremendous achievements in reading [2010/06/19 8:14] Gdot Spires: Pizza more reliable than SL? [2010/06/19 8:14] Tetra Paean: ("persistence in the face of challenges" = key to the educational endeavour according to Margaret Carr, and I agree) [2010/06/19 8:15] Scorpion Foton: Pizza......It's not just for breakfast anymore [2010/06/19 8:15] Roxie Neiro: Was there a time limit when you did this like on state testing? [2010/06/19 8:15] Roxie Neiro: Or the DRA?
  • 29. [2010/06/19 8:15] Sheila Yoshikawa: great! [2010/06/19 8:15] Tetra Paean: CS will try to follow some of these boys longitudinally... [2010/06/19 8:15] Tetra Paean: to trace their developing literacy practices [2010/06/19 8:16] Tetra Paean: If these play spaces involve such a constellation of literacy practices [2010/06/19 8:16] Tetra Paean: why are these boys failing inside school? [2010/06/19 8:16] Jackie Darkstone: yes so agree [2010/06/19 8:16] Tetra Paean: perhaps because issues of interest have been so pushed aside [2010/06/19 8:16] Tetra Paean: particularly when it comes to working class boys [2010/06/19 8:16] Tetra Paean: owing to dismissing some of the topics the boys are interested in because of a cultural snobbery [2010/06/19 8:17] Tetra Paean: Constance’s websites shown including her blog and research group [2010/06/19 8:17] Perplexity Peccable: "culture wars" is SOOO relevant [2010/06/19 8:17] Tetra Paean: Uni of Wisconsin runs a conference every summer [2010/06/19 8:17] Tetra Paean: we are all welcome! [2010/06/19 8:17] Tetra Paean: hey! [2010/06/19 8:17] Deanya Zenfold: wow, thank you! [2010/06/19 8:17] Tetra Paean: fab [2010/06/19 8:17] Jackie Darkstone: excellent, thanks - loud applause! [2010/06/19 8:17] Tetra Paean: thank you very much [2010/06/19 8:17] Bobbi Birdsong: Thank you! [2010/06/19 8:17] Maggie Marat: my favorite conference AND there is actually an educator's track :-) [2010/06/19 8:18] Perplexity Peccable: Slides in Slideshare? [2010/06/19 8:18] Gdot Spires: Brilliant work on the texts, but do all the WoWers access and use the texts in the same ways? [2010/06/19 8:18] Maggie Marat: for k-12 [2010/06/19 8:18] Kate Miranda: You would find Patrick Finn "Literacy with an Attitude" educating working class kids in their own self-interest of Interest ... from SUNYAB
  • 30. [2010/06/19 8:18] Tetra Paean: please so type in the correct name of the conf [2010/06/19 8:18] Gee Pausch: Tetra please list her URL's in local chat [2010/06/19 8:18] Perplexity Peccable: "Games Learning & Society" [2010/06/19 8:19] Maggie Marat: [2010/06/19 8:19] Sheila Yoshikawa: [2010/06/19 8:19] Roxie Neiro: I was wondering if the time limits on testing would cause them not to self correct because they wouldn't have the time. [2010/06/19 8:19] Constance Carnot: Julie Coiro [2010/06/19 8:19] Gdot Spires: Coiro [2010/06/19 8:19] Tetra Paean: [2010/06/19 8:19] Gdot Spires: Yes good stuff!!! [2010/06/19 8:19] Gee Pausch: ty [2010/06/19 8:19] Perplexity Peccable: what was her name? [2010/06/19 8:20] Perplexity Peccable: Julie ... [2010/06/19 8:20] Tetra Paean: Julie Coiro [2010/06/19 8:20] Perplexity Peccable: thank you [2010/06/19 8:20] Perplexity Peccable: will the slides be in Slideshare? [2010/06/19 8:20] Gdot Spires: Thanks - [2010/06/19 8:20] Tetra Paean: We, the organisers of this conf, will check with all speakers to see if at least some of their slides or at least an abstract can be put up on our website [2010/06/19 8:21] Tetra Paean: we understand that not everything might be put up there but there are already considerable resources [2010/06/19 8:21] Perplexity Peccable: Tetra, where is your website? I did not hear about this before this morning [2010/06/19 8:21] Maggie Marat: If I may add - we have established an educator's guild in World of Warcraft called "Cognitive Dissonance" on the Alliance side - Sisters of Elune realm US all are invited to join us as we learn to game to game to learn [2010/06/19 8:21] Maggie Marat: [2010/06/19 8:22] Gdot Spires: Could CS please explain pop cosmopolitanism again - sorry I missed it? [2010/06/19 8:22] Tetra Paean: Here is the website for this conference and series
  • 31. [2010/06/19 8:22] Tetra Paean: literacies/index.htm [2010/06/19 8:22] Deanya Zenfold: have you looked at comic book research that came to these same conclusions? [2010/06/19 8:23] Tetra Paean: sorry I forgot my job currently is to precis CS... [2010/06/19 8:23] Perplexity Peccable: "punished through assessment testing" :) great phrase [2010/06/19 8:23] Tetra Paean: CS studies boys in isolated rural settings [2010/06/19 8:23] Tetra Paean: small towns - where being slightly different is a dangerous thing [2010/06/19 8:24] Tetra Paean: virtual worlds can introduce them to greater diversity [2010/06/19 8:24] Glow Jacobus: if anyone wants to see stuff a few pres from 2009 Conference [2010/06/19 8:24] Tetra Paean: with D Williams she demonstrated how vws can be 3rd places [2010/06/19 8:24] Tetra Paean: more interactions with diversity [2010/06/19 8:24] Tetra Paean: as these places can be 'global' [2010/06/19 8:25] Tetra Paean: something to investigate ethnographically - intersection of local and global can cause shifts in understandings of identity [2010/06/19 8:25] Tetra Paean: pop cosmopolitanism, = knowing about pop culture can buy you social capital in certain (informal) settings [2010/06/19 8:25] Sheila Yoshikawa: She is cute [2010/06/19 8:25] Sheila Yoshikawa: Cardcaptor Sakura that is [2010/06/19 8:25] Tetra Paean: but not privileged in school settings [2010/06/19 8:26] Gdot Spires: Some US and UK research studies show that the most disadvantaged children have restricted social networks.....will this/can this change with pop- cosmos? [2010/06/19 8:26] Tetra Paean: so therefore not the cosmopolitanism that is involved in understanding high culture [2010/06/19 8:26] Tetra Paean: We must come towards an end. [2010/06/19 8:26] Constance Carnot: ^_^* [2010/06/19 8:27] Perplexity Peccable: University of Michigan has a substantial video game collection in the library for researchers and the public
  • 32. [2010/06/19 8:28] Sheila Yoshikawa: wow [2010/06/19 8:28] Constance Carnot: thank you everyone! [2010/06/19 8:28] Jackie Darkstone: great, thanks! [2010/06/19 8:28] Tetra Paean: that was fabulous, absolutely excellent [2010/06/19 8:28] Valentina Dasmijn: Thank you very much! [2010/06/19 8:28] Gdot Spires: *applause* [2010/06/19 8:28] Perplexity Peccable: wonderful! [2010/06/19 8:28] Tetra Paean: thank you so much Constance [2010/06/19 8:28] Glow Jacobus: many thanks - great!!!! clap!!! [2010/06/19 8:28] Bobbi Birdsong: clap clap clap Thanks! [2010/06/19 8:28] Gdot Spires: THANK YOU CONSTANCE! [2010/06/19 8:28] Baird Barnard: My sister who is 20yrs younger then me is in a very small town and totally engaged gaming and the net She'll get a kick out that definition [2010/06/19 8:28] Constance Carnot: /wave [2010/06/19 8:29] Valentina Dasmijn: This was very insightful [2010/06/19 8:29] Perplexity Peccable: hear you [2010/06/19 8:29] Gdot Spires: Tetra is speaking [2010/06/19 8:29] Sheila Yoshikawa: you are very soft [2010/06/19 8:29] Tetra Paean: I understand nobody can hear me inworld [2010/06/19 8:29] Baird Barnard: Yes I can hear you [2010/06/19 8:29] Gdot Spires: But we can only hear here [2010/06/19 8:29] Sheila Yoshikawa: yes I can hear [2010/06/19 8:29] Maggie Marat: loud and clear [2010/06/19 8:29] Deanya Zenfold: I can hear [2010/06/19 8:29] Scorpion Foton: I can't hear you [2010/06/19 8:29] Roxie Neiro: I can hear [2010/06/19 8:29] Jackie Darkstone: tetra I will type what you say [2010/06/19 8:30] Jackie Darkstone: say 3 things - thanks to everyone involved
  • 33. [2010/06/19 8:30] Jackie Darkstone: 2 - we started off looking at virtual worlds and online spaces with a sense o difference [2010/06/19 8:30] Jackie Darkstone: but we have made connections that can be conceptualised as learning ecologies [2010/06/19 8:31] Jackie Darkstone: all speakers today have made connections [2010/06/19 8:31] Jackie Darkstone: we have transcended boundaries and not looked at literacy online/ offline but in its totality [2010/06/19 8:31] Jackie Darkstone: *totality [2010/06/19 8:31] Jackie Darkstone: thirdly - the past is prelude. [2010/06/19 8:32] Jackie Darkstone: today is formal end of series, but we are taking forward plans for a book and conference presentations [2010/06/19 8:32] Jackie Darkstone: we are still in the vanguard, in an exciting time and just at the beginning! [2010/06/19 8:32] Maggie Marat: We are in the emergence of a METAISSANCE [2010/06/19 8:32] edugualberto312 Carrasco: How can this lesson dazer [2010/06/19 8:32] Roxie Neiro: Thanks! [2010/06/19 8:32] Alt Bernitz: thank you! [2010/06/19 8:32] Gdot Spires: *more applause* [2010/06/19 8:32] Maggie Marat: thanks all! [2010/06/19 8:32] Bobbi Birdsong: Thank You!! [2010/06/19 8:32] Gdot Spires: hooray!!!! [2010/06/19 8:32] Berry Dubratt: thanks all [2010/06/19 8:32] Baird Barnard: APPLAUDS!! TYVM! [2010/06/19 8:32] Glow Jacobus: many thanks to the organisers - it's been wonderful!!! [2010/06/19 8:32] Sheila Yoshikawa: thank you [2010/06/19 8:32] Jackie Darkstone: thanks very much everyone - hope to see you online, offline, wherever! [2010/06/19 8:32] Tetra Paean: Bye everyone and thank you very much [2010/06/19 8:32] Gwynne Spingflower: Thank you! [2010/06/19 8:32] Greylin Fairweather smiled "Thank you." [2010/06/19 8:32] Valentina Dasmijn: can I download this slideshow?
  • 34. [2010/06/19 8:32] Roxie Neiro: ♪♫♥ Applauds!!! ♥♫♪ [2010/06/19 8:32] Sheila Yoshikawa: and thanks to all the speakers [2010/06/19 8:32] edugualberto312 Carrasco: How can this lesson dazer [2010/06/19 8:32] Scorpion Foton: Very interesting [2010/06/19 8:32] Valentina Dasmijn: This was great! [2010/06/19 8:32] Tetra Paean: keep an eye on our website [2010/06/19 8:32] Jackie Darkstone: thanks so much to Sheila for organising today session in SLK [2010/06/19 8:33] Bobbi Birdsong: Lots to think about! [2010/06/19 8:33] Tetra Paean: literacies/index.htm [2010/06/19 8:33] Deanya Zenfold: thank you from east coast usa lol [2010/06/19 8:33] Jackie Darkstone: thanks to sheila [2010/06/19 8:33] Baird Barnard: Valentina- its set for sale [2010/06/19 8:33] Jackie Darkstone: thanks = bye!!!!!! [2010/06/19 8:33] Perplexity Peccable: Bravo!!!