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Social Media For Business
A look at the Golden Horseshoe – what’s working and why




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Table of Contents

Introduction          3
Executive summary     4
The study             5
Positive results     11
Troubling trends     12
The gap is growing   13
Recommendations      14
About the authors    23




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Introduction

Since the inception of the internet the world has become more and
more connected. Social Media is the next step in that connectivity.

No matter what sized business you operate or manage, Social Media
has or is about to impact your world. From customer service, to
sales, to marketing and hiring, Social Media’s effect can be felt in
almost every department of most companies.

We wanted to better understand how the business community of
the Golden Horseshoe in Ontario have been affected by Social
Media.

The following pages is a summary of conversations and interviews
we’ve had from January to March 2012 with close to 100 business
owners and senior managers about how Social Media has or has not
impacted them.

This is by no means a scientific study, rather it’s a collection of
candid conversations and keen insights into the real world of Social
Media for business.




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Executive Summary


                                           At the conclusion of our interviews we
                                           noticed that all of the companies we
                                           spoke with fell into one of five distinct
                                           stages in their Social Media journey.

                                           As you can see in this diagram at least
                                           80% of the firms we talked with are
                                           using Social Media, however, only a
                                           small portion are seeing distinct
                                           results. This may lead some of you to
                                           conclude that Social Media doesn’t
                                           work, but the reason many are not
                                           seeing tangible results is because they
                                           are either just beginning to use it or
                                           they have no strategy in place to drive
                                           it.




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The Study

There are numerous tools that can be used for social media. Below represents what tools were most used by the
respondents. As you can see Facebook, Twitter and Linkedin were by far the most popular.




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The Study

A beautiful part of the internet is the ability to find content in the format we personally enjoy most, be it
text, video, audio or photos. Below you can see that the majority of the content being produced by the
respondents was text based, while links, video and photos all tied for second.




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The Study

Because Social Media is new to many of the companies we spoke with, almost half had no formal goals set. Of
those companies that did set goals, many were focused on the number of followers/likes and some identified
dialogue and engagement as important goals.




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The Study

The biggest mystery attached to Social Media is how to measure it. Some firms focused on numbers like
“followers” or “likes”, while others focused more on how many people shared and commented on what was
posted. And still others wanted hard numbers like sales dollars generated.

We can without a doubt attest to the fact that there is not a universal measurement that everyone could agree
upon. What it really came down to is what their expectations were of Social Media. Some of the firms we spoke
with are naturally social by nature and the tools of Social Media were a natural extension of what they were
already doing, while other companies are either completely terrified of it or have no idea how it could provide a
benefit.




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The Study

70% of the businesses we spoke with had no budget allocated to Social Media. Many of them did admit that they
had dedicated staff who spent time on Social Media but they did not allocate dollars to content
development, promotions or staff. Of the companies that did have a budget, it was almost exclusively dedicated
to staff.




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The Study

Even though almost half of the companies we spoke with did not have formalized goals and a majority have no
budget allocated to Social Media over 70% believe that Social Media is very important to the growth of their
business.




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Positive Results

After analyzing all of the interviews and conversations we found specific areas where companies using
Social              Media              were             seeing              positive          results.


Hiring: Meridian Credit Union have utilized Linkedin for the majority of their recruitment. They found
that many of the profiles on Linkedin were more thorough than the actual resumes of some applicants.

Customer Service: Companies like CAA Niagara are using Social Media to provide answers to customer’s
questions in real time as well as directing them to important news, tips and information when they need
it most.

Sales Support: Schools like Niagara College and Niagara Christian Community of Schools are using
student testimonials, videos and photos to tell the story of the institution and why it’s a great place to
attend.

Customer Retention: Businesses like Innovative Kitchen Design provide their customers with recipes
from leading Niagara Chefs, video tips to help customers care for their new kitchens and discounts at
kitchen supply stores.

Customer Education: Companies like Beatties Basics provide valuable product information to help
consumers make better choices. Nino D’Ambra Hair & Aesthetics use Facebook to give weekly tips on
hair styles, make-up and hair care products attracting people from far outside their geographic region.

New Market Acquisition: HOCO Entertainment is reaching international markets and bringing in new
visitors to Niagara.




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Troubling Trends

While the study did uncover numerous success stories, at the same time the report identified four
areas where businesses were struggling with their Social Media activities. These trends are not
exclusive to the Golden Horseshoe as we’ve seen evidence from third party research related to Social
                                             Media.


Campaigns: Trying to force traditional marketing tactics into Social Media. While
contesting, promotions and yes campaigns can be effective, many companies we spoke with lose
people quickly when its all they offer. Social Media is most effective when it’s a mix of giving
value, engaging, promoting and sharing.

Selling Only: Very similar to campaigns are companies using Social Media exclusively to sell. The study
found that this group typically posts messages very infrequently and when they do it’s only to promote
their special of the week or a sale they’re having. While this will appeal to some people, the vast
majority of people using Social Media will be turned off by this.

Long periods of time with no contact: Another trend we noticed were companies that set up pages or
accounts, made a few posts and then nothing for months and in one case two years. We found that for
Social Media to work, you need to be there. Just like offline connections, Social Media takes a certain
level of commitment.

Putting the intern in charge: Because Social Media requires a time commitment, in some cases a major
time commitment, it is often delegated to the low man on the rung; the intern. While they do have the
time, they do not always possess the understanding of the business or the companies customers. Social
Media is a real-time medium and requires individuals who know how to properly communicate with
the market.



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The gap is growing
    One of the biggest findings of the study was the gap between companies using Social Media for extended
    periods of time and companies that were using it sporadically or not at all. The businesses using it
    consistently were seeing exponential results and relevancy within their markets, while companies that are
    not using it, fearful of it or very sporadic in their application are only seeing incremental growth at best.




                         = companies using social media

                         = companies not using or sporadic use of social media

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Recommendations

Based on all of the data from the study and our consulting work over the last two
years we have compiled a best practices formula for businesses looking to use
Social Media.


The Social Media marketing development process

1.Expectations
2.Goals and objectives
3.Build the team
4.Overall strategy
5.Budget
6.Social Media policy
7.Content strategy & editorial calendar
8.Choose platforms
9.Set-up accounts and team training
10.Engaging with the community
11.Monitoring and analytics




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Recommendations
Expectations

It’s essential before beginning any Social Media initiative that everyone involved
discuss what their expectations are. These include desired results, time and
resource commitments, what the team should look like, impact on the
business, and how important Social Media will be in the overall marketing mix.

It’s this type of discussion that will determine how to best proceed and what
success will look like.                                                                 Social Media is
                                                                                        simply a set of
                                                                                        tools, it’s what you
Goals & Objectives                                                                      do with them that
While it is sometimes difficult to apply specific sales goals to Social Media,          will determine
especially when first starting, it’s important to put in place milestones and targets   your success.
that can be measured and monitored.

Goals can include:

• Number of communities you will participate in
• Number of people following/liking various pages
• Website traffic from Social Media sites
• Content being shared and commented on
• Newsletter subscribers
• Overall audience growth



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Recommendations

Build your team

Your Social Media program can consist of two teams:

Administration                                                                      Ensure you have
Content providers
                                                                                    the right people in
The admin team will be responsible for setting up accounts, managing passwords,     the right role.
monitoring the sites for comments, responding to the community, uploading
content as per the content schedule and ensuring the social media policy is being
followed.

The content providers will be responsible for creating and or sourcing content in
various media formats (text/video/photo/audio) that fit within the Social Media
strategy. The content team will have an editorial calendar that they work within.




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Recommendations

Overall Strategy

Social Media is not a stand alone department, it is part of the marketing
department. It’s a series of tools designed to give you the opportunity to
communicate with your audiences in an open and honest way with two-way
dialogue.
                                                                              Social Media that
Your Social Media strategy needs to fit within your marketing strategy and
compliment it.
                                                                              is not connected
                                                                              to your
At this stage we suggest focusing on the following questions:
                                                                              sales, marketing,
Who do we want to communicate with?                                           customer service
How many different communities do we want to engage with?
What do we want to be known for?
                                                                              and human
What is important to each community?                                          resources is just
Where are they getting their information now?
What information is your community interested in?
                                                                              noise.
What information does your community need that it’s not getting?




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Recommendations

Budget

While the tools of Social Media are free, the time of your team is not. A budget
needs to be established to determine how much time individuals will dedicate as
well as the cost to produce content.                                               Social Media tools
                                                                                   are free but the
Budget items can include:
                                                                                   time and
• Video production/editing                                                         commitment it
• Ghost writing
• Professional photography                                                         takes to do it right
• Prizes or giveaways                                                              have a cost
• Graphic design
                                                                                   associated to it.




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Recommendations

Establish your Social Media policies

It’s important to let your staff know what is and isn’t acceptable when it comes to
their professional lives in the Social Media arena. It’s also important to ensure your
business has a crisis plan in place. Think about all the possible “worst case            Be prepared
scenarios” and how you will react quickly and professionally.                            because
This shouldn’t become a bogged down legal document, but it needs to work                 something can
through what is expected and accepted. If your people don’t know what is                 and will happen.
acceptable they will make up their own rules. We recommend that your legal
representation be consulted.




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Recommendations

Content strategy and editorial calendar

The first step is to determine what types of media your audiences prefer. This can include video, text, audio and photos.
From there determine who within your team has the ability and is comfortable producing content in the various forms. The
last step is to determine what topics will be developed and in what format. From here you put this all into a calendar
format.

Example

Topic                Format         Author                1st proof            Final                 Go Live

RRSP                 Video          Joe Smith             Feb 15               Feb 25                Feb 28
Savings              Blog           Mary Jones            Feb 20               March 1               March 5
Mortgages            Video          Eric Timms            March 1              March 10              March 20




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Choose platforms and set-up accounts

Here is where you determine what social tools to utilize to communicate with your
communities. There are numerous choices, but the most prevalent are
Facebook, Twitter, Linkedin, Youtube, Pinterest and Flickr.

We recommend starting slowly with one or two platforms, establishing some
connections, engaging them and then start sharing content.
                                                                                        Setting up the
At this stage you will also want to do some training of your staff so they feel         different tools you
comfortable connecting and sharing with your sites and recommending them to
their friends and connections.                                                          will use is one of
                                                                                        the last steps in a
                                                                                        successful Social
                                                                                        Media program.
Engaging the community

Now that all of the planning and training is completed and the content
development is well underway, it’s time to start engaging with your communities
on a regular basis.

Some communities will be more active than others, and others may take some
time to catch on, but it’s critical to establish a consistent approach so people know
what to expect.




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Monitoring and Analysis

It’s important to know how you’re doing. While direct sales may be the ultimate   Return on
goal, that will take time. You’ll want to monitor the following:
                                                                                  investment is a big
• Followers/Likes to various pages                                                topic of
• Comments and engagement
• How much and how often content is shared
                                                                                  discussion, unders
• Amount of conversation about your brand within your communities                 tand what you
• Sharing of content
• Website traffic from Social Media sites
                                                                                  want to measure
• Newsletter subscribers                                                          and why.
• Overall audience growth




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About the authors

We get approached by business owners because they are not happy with sales and growth. After our
first conversation we usually find out they have trouble getting things done because of one or two
things. The company has grown to a new size, or they simply do not have the right people in the right
places. Because of this, they are unsure about what to do next.

So                      we                         do                 four                    things:

1. We work with your team, to make sure you have the right people in the right roles

2. We work with your company to ensure you have a clear and committed corporate vision and              Neil Thornton
                                        strategy                                                        Trigger Strategies
                                                                                                        Direct: (905) 401-1434
3. We work with you and your team to better communicate with and service your market and                neil@triggerstrategies.ca
                                      customers

4. And lastly we put everything into action with dates, commitments, resources and accountability. We
measure results and help you drive change

These owners tell us they do not want theories and books, they want us to get s@#! done.

If that sounds like something you need, call us.




                                                                                                        Larry Anderson
                                                                                                        Trigger Strategies
                                                                                                        Direct: (905) 321-2663
                                                                                                        larry@triggerstrategies.ca



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Golden Horseshoe Social Media Report - An interview summary of 100 CEO's and how the use social media for business.

  • 1. Social Media For Business A look at the Golden Horseshoe – what’s working and why As prepared by 1
  • 2. Table of Contents Introduction 3 Executive summary 4 The study 5 Positive results 11 Troubling trends 12 The gap is growing 13 Recommendations 14 About the authors 23 2 Triggerstrategies.ca
  • 3. Introduction Since the inception of the internet the world has become more and more connected. Social Media is the next step in that connectivity. No matter what sized business you operate or manage, Social Media has or is about to impact your world. From customer service, to sales, to marketing and hiring, Social Media’s effect can be felt in almost every department of most companies. We wanted to better understand how the business community of the Golden Horseshoe in Ontario have been affected by Social Media. The following pages is a summary of conversations and interviews we’ve had from January to March 2012 with close to 100 business owners and senior managers about how Social Media has or has not impacted them. This is by no means a scientific study, rather it’s a collection of candid conversations and keen insights into the real world of Social Media for business. 3 Triggerstrategies.ca
  • 4. Executive Summary At the conclusion of our interviews we noticed that all of the companies we spoke with fell into one of five distinct stages in their Social Media journey. As you can see in this diagram at least 80% of the firms we talked with are using Social Media, however, only a small portion are seeing distinct results. This may lead some of you to conclude that Social Media doesn’t work, but the reason many are not seeing tangible results is because they are either just beginning to use it or they have no strategy in place to drive it. 4 Triggerstrategies.ca
  • 5. The Study There are numerous tools that can be used for social media. Below represents what tools were most used by the respondents. As you can see Facebook, Twitter and Linkedin were by far the most popular. 5 Triggerstrategies.ca
  • 6. The Study A beautiful part of the internet is the ability to find content in the format we personally enjoy most, be it text, video, audio or photos. Below you can see that the majority of the content being produced by the respondents was text based, while links, video and photos all tied for second. 6 Triggerstrategies.ca
  • 7. The Study Because Social Media is new to many of the companies we spoke with, almost half had no formal goals set. Of those companies that did set goals, many were focused on the number of followers/likes and some identified dialogue and engagement as important goals. 7 Triggerstrategies.ca
  • 8. The Study The biggest mystery attached to Social Media is how to measure it. Some firms focused on numbers like “followers” or “likes”, while others focused more on how many people shared and commented on what was posted. And still others wanted hard numbers like sales dollars generated. We can without a doubt attest to the fact that there is not a universal measurement that everyone could agree upon. What it really came down to is what their expectations were of Social Media. Some of the firms we spoke with are naturally social by nature and the tools of Social Media were a natural extension of what they were already doing, while other companies are either completely terrified of it or have no idea how it could provide a benefit. 8 Triggerstrategies.ca
  • 9. The Study 70% of the businesses we spoke with had no budget allocated to Social Media. Many of them did admit that they had dedicated staff who spent time on Social Media but they did not allocate dollars to content development, promotions or staff. Of the companies that did have a budget, it was almost exclusively dedicated to staff. 9 Triggerstrategies.ca
  • 10. The Study Even though almost half of the companies we spoke with did not have formalized goals and a majority have no budget allocated to Social Media over 70% believe that Social Media is very important to the growth of their business. 10 Triggerstrategies.ca
  • 11. Positive Results After analyzing all of the interviews and conversations we found specific areas where companies using Social Media were seeing positive results. Hiring: Meridian Credit Union have utilized Linkedin for the majority of their recruitment. They found that many of the profiles on Linkedin were more thorough than the actual resumes of some applicants. Customer Service: Companies like CAA Niagara are using Social Media to provide answers to customer’s questions in real time as well as directing them to important news, tips and information when they need it most. Sales Support: Schools like Niagara College and Niagara Christian Community of Schools are using student testimonials, videos and photos to tell the story of the institution and why it’s a great place to attend. Customer Retention: Businesses like Innovative Kitchen Design provide their customers with recipes from leading Niagara Chefs, video tips to help customers care for their new kitchens and discounts at kitchen supply stores. Customer Education: Companies like Beatties Basics provide valuable product information to help consumers make better choices. Nino D’Ambra Hair & Aesthetics use Facebook to give weekly tips on hair styles, make-up and hair care products attracting people from far outside their geographic region. New Market Acquisition: HOCO Entertainment is reaching international markets and bringing in new visitors to Niagara. 11 Triggerstrategies.ca
  • 12. Troubling Trends While the study did uncover numerous success stories, at the same time the report identified four areas where businesses were struggling with their Social Media activities. These trends are not exclusive to the Golden Horseshoe as we’ve seen evidence from third party research related to Social Media. Campaigns: Trying to force traditional marketing tactics into Social Media. While contesting, promotions and yes campaigns can be effective, many companies we spoke with lose people quickly when its all they offer. Social Media is most effective when it’s a mix of giving value, engaging, promoting and sharing. Selling Only: Very similar to campaigns are companies using Social Media exclusively to sell. The study found that this group typically posts messages very infrequently and when they do it’s only to promote their special of the week or a sale they’re having. While this will appeal to some people, the vast majority of people using Social Media will be turned off by this. Long periods of time with no contact: Another trend we noticed were companies that set up pages or accounts, made a few posts and then nothing for months and in one case two years. We found that for Social Media to work, you need to be there. Just like offline connections, Social Media takes a certain level of commitment. Putting the intern in charge: Because Social Media requires a time commitment, in some cases a major time commitment, it is often delegated to the low man on the rung; the intern. While they do have the time, they do not always possess the understanding of the business or the companies customers. Social Media is a real-time medium and requires individuals who know how to properly communicate with the market. 12 Triggerstrategies.ca
  • 13. The gap is growing One of the biggest findings of the study was the gap between companies using Social Media for extended periods of time and companies that were using it sporadically or not at all. The businesses using it consistently were seeing exponential results and relevancy within their markets, while companies that are not using it, fearful of it or very sporadic in their application are only seeing incremental growth at best. = companies using social media = companies not using or sporadic use of social media R e s u The gap is widening l t s Time 13 Triggerstrategies.ca
  • 14. Recommendations Based on all of the data from the study and our consulting work over the last two years we have compiled a best practices formula for businesses looking to use Social Media. The Social Media marketing development process 1.Expectations 2.Goals and objectives 3.Build the team 4.Overall strategy 5.Budget 6.Social Media policy 7.Content strategy & editorial calendar 8.Choose platforms 9.Set-up accounts and team training 10.Engaging with the community 11.Monitoring and analytics 14 Triggerstrategies.ca
  • 15. Recommendations Expectations It’s essential before beginning any Social Media initiative that everyone involved discuss what their expectations are. These include desired results, time and resource commitments, what the team should look like, impact on the business, and how important Social Media will be in the overall marketing mix. It’s this type of discussion that will determine how to best proceed and what success will look like. Social Media is simply a set of tools, it’s what you Goals & Objectives do with them that While it is sometimes difficult to apply specific sales goals to Social Media, will determine especially when first starting, it’s important to put in place milestones and targets your success. that can be measured and monitored. Goals can include: • Number of communities you will participate in • Number of people following/liking various pages • Website traffic from Social Media sites • Content being shared and commented on • Newsletter subscribers • Overall audience growth 15 Triggerstrategies.ca
  • 16. Recommendations Build your team Your Social Media program can consist of two teams: Administration Ensure you have Content providers the right people in The admin team will be responsible for setting up accounts, managing passwords, the right role. monitoring the sites for comments, responding to the community, uploading content as per the content schedule and ensuring the social media policy is being followed. The content providers will be responsible for creating and or sourcing content in various media formats (text/video/photo/audio) that fit within the Social Media strategy. The content team will have an editorial calendar that they work within. 16 Triggerstrategies.ca
  • 17. Recommendations Overall Strategy Social Media is not a stand alone department, it is part of the marketing department. It’s a series of tools designed to give you the opportunity to communicate with your audiences in an open and honest way with two-way dialogue. Social Media that Your Social Media strategy needs to fit within your marketing strategy and compliment it. is not connected to your At this stage we suggest focusing on the following questions: sales, marketing, Who do we want to communicate with? customer service How many different communities do we want to engage with? What do we want to be known for? and human What is important to each community? resources is just Where are they getting their information now? What information is your community interested in? noise. What information does your community need that it’s not getting? 17 Triggerstrategies.ca
  • 18. Recommendations Budget While the tools of Social Media are free, the time of your team is not. A budget needs to be established to determine how much time individuals will dedicate as well as the cost to produce content. Social Media tools are free but the Budget items can include: time and • Video production/editing commitment it • Ghost writing • Professional photography takes to do it right • Prizes or giveaways have a cost • Graphic design associated to it. 18 Triggerstrategies.ca
  • 19. Recommendations Establish your Social Media policies It’s important to let your staff know what is and isn’t acceptable when it comes to their professional lives in the Social Media arena. It’s also important to ensure your business has a crisis plan in place. Think about all the possible “worst case Be prepared scenarios” and how you will react quickly and professionally. because This shouldn’t become a bogged down legal document, but it needs to work something can through what is expected and accepted. If your people don’t know what is and will happen. acceptable they will make up their own rules. We recommend that your legal representation be consulted. 19 Triggerstrategies.ca
  • 20. Recommendations Content strategy and editorial calendar The first step is to determine what types of media your audiences prefer. This can include video, text, audio and photos. From there determine who within your team has the ability and is comfortable producing content in the various forms. The last step is to determine what topics will be developed and in what format. From here you put this all into a calendar format. Example Topic Format Author 1st proof Final Go Live RRSP Video Joe Smith Feb 15 Feb 25 Feb 28 Savings Blog Mary Jones Feb 20 March 1 March 5 Mortgages Video Eric Timms March 1 March 10 March 20 20 Triggerstrategies.ca
  • 21. Recommendations Choose platforms and set-up accounts Here is where you determine what social tools to utilize to communicate with your communities. There are numerous choices, but the most prevalent are Facebook, Twitter, Linkedin, Youtube, Pinterest and Flickr. We recommend starting slowly with one or two platforms, establishing some connections, engaging them and then start sharing content. Setting up the At this stage you will also want to do some training of your staff so they feel different tools you comfortable connecting and sharing with your sites and recommending them to their friends and connections. will use is one of the last steps in a successful Social Media program. Engaging the community Now that all of the planning and training is completed and the content development is well underway, it’s time to start engaging with your communities on a regular basis. Some communities will be more active than others, and others may take some time to catch on, but it’s critical to establish a consistent approach so people know what to expect. 21 Triggerstrategies.ca
  • 22. Recommendations Monitoring and Analysis It’s important to know how you’re doing. While direct sales may be the ultimate Return on goal, that will take time. You’ll want to monitor the following: investment is a big • Followers/Likes to various pages topic of • Comments and engagement • How much and how often content is shared discussion, unders • Amount of conversation about your brand within your communities tand what you • Sharing of content • Website traffic from Social Media sites want to measure • Newsletter subscribers and why. • Overall audience growth 22 Triggerstrategies.ca
  • 23. About the authors We get approached by business owners because they are not happy with sales and growth. After our first conversation we usually find out they have trouble getting things done because of one or two things. The company has grown to a new size, or they simply do not have the right people in the right places. Because of this, they are unsure about what to do next. So we do four things: 1. We work with your team, to make sure you have the right people in the right roles 2. We work with your company to ensure you have a clear and committed corporate vision and Neil Thornton strategy Trigger Strategies Direct: (905) 401-1434 3. We work with you and your team to better communicate with and service your market and neil@triggerstrategies.ca customers 4. And lastly we put everything into action with dates, commitments, resources and accountability. We measure results and help you drive change These owners tell us they do not want theories and books, they want us to get s@#! done. If that sounds like something you need, call us. Larry Anderson Trigger Strategies Direct: (905) 321-2663 larry@triggerstrategies.ca 23 Triggerstrategies.ca