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Margaret P. Grafeld Declassified/Released US Department of State EO Systematic Review 05 JUL 2006
Margaret P. Grafeld Declassified/Released US Department of State EO Systematic Review 05 JUL 2006
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CONFIDENTIAL
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ACTION SS-25
INFO OCT-01 ISO-00 /026 W
--------------------- 036871
R 151435Z MAY 75
FM AMEMBASSY BRUSSELS
TO SECSTATE WASHDC 3899
INFO USLO PEKING
AMCONSUL HONG KONG
C O N F I D E N T I A L BRUSSELS 04328
EXDIS
E.O. 11652: XGDS-1
TAGS: PFOR, CH, BE
SUBJECT: TINDEMANS' VISIT TO PRC
REF: BRUSSELS 4030
1. I SAW PRIME MINISTER TINDEMANS YESTERDAY AND GOT A RUNDOWN
ON HIS VISIT TO CHINA.
2. TINDEMANS SAID THAT HE HAD BEEN RECEIVED IN CHINA LIKE A
KING. HIS RECEPTION COULD HAVE BEEN NO WARMER IF HE HAD BEEN
THE PRIME MINISTER OF A FRIENDLY GREAT POWER. IN CONTRAST,
THE CHINESE RECEPTION OF PRINCE ALBERT, THERE ON A TRADE
MISSION, HAD BEEN MERELY PROPER.
3. MAO APPEARED OLD AND TIRED TO TINDEMANS. ALTHOUGH MAO'S
MIND SEEMED TO BE ALERT, HE HAD TROUBLE SPEAKING. MEDICAL
INSTRUMENTS AND EQUIPMENT WERE EVIDENT IN THE ROOM WHERE
THEY MET.
4. CHOU RECEIVED TINDEMANS IN WHAT WAS SAID TO BE A HOSPITAL
BUT THE ROOM IN WHICH THEY MET LOOKED LIKE A NORMAL RECEPTION
ROOM. CHOU WAS VERY WELL INFORMED ON A WIDE VARIETY OF SUBJECT,
INCLUDING DETAILS OF EUROPEAN ISSUES.
5. CHI TENG-KUEI PARTICIPATED IN THE MAO-TINDEMANS TALKS
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AND, WHEN THE MAO INTERVIEW WAS OVER, ASKED TINDEMANS TO RE-
Margaret P. Grafeld Declassified/Released US Department of State EO Systematic Review 05 JUL 2006
Margaret P. Grafeld Declassified/Released US Department of State EO Systematic Review 05 JUL 2006
MAIN FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION. TINDEMANS SAID THAT CHI LOOKED
AND ACTED TOUGH AND HARD. TINDEMANS NOTED THAT CHI HAD BEEN
EDUCATED IN RUSSIA, KNEW LITTLE ABOUT THE REST OF THE WORLD,
AND WAS AN UNCOMPROMISING, FRIGHTENING MAN IN THE WORST RUSSIAN
TRADITION.
6. MAO DELIVERED A FORTY-FIVE MINUTE SPEECH ON THE SOVIET
THREAT TO EUROPE AND ON THE NEED FOR EUROPE TO BE STRONG
MILITARILY. HE SAID THAT THE USSR, WITH ONLY ABOUT ONE MILLION
TROOPS ON THE LONG SOVIET-CHINESE BORDER, WAS NO MEANCE TO
CHINA. THE CHINESE DID NOT REFER TO THE SOVIET NUCLEAR CAPABI-
LITY IN TALKING ABOUT THE SOVIET FORCES OF CONCERN TO CHINA.
IN CONTRAST, THE SOVIETS HAD THREE TIMES MORE POWER DEPLOYED
IN EUROPE. MAO SAID THAT BOTH SUPERPOWERS WANTED TO EXTEND
THEIR HEGEMONY. CHINA IN CONTRAST WAS NO SUPERPOWER, DID NOT
WANT TO BE ONE, AND DID NOT WANT HEGEMONY OVER OTHER COUNTRIES.
CHOU AND CHI ALSO STRESSED THE SOVIET THREAT TO EUROPE AND PEDDLED
THE STANDARD CHINESE LINE THAT THE STRUGGLE BETWEEN THE SUPER-
POWERS WILL LEAD TO WAR.
7. THE CHINESE LEADERS EMPHASIZED THE PRIMACY OF NATIONALISM
IN INTERNATIONAL AFFAIRS AND THE PASSING NATURE OF ARTIFICIAL
DIVISIONS OF NATIONS. JUST AS VIETNAM HAS BEEN REUNITED, SO
WILL KOREA AND CHINA. FURTHERMORE, THE CHINESE DID NOT EXPECT
THE DIVISION OF GERMANY TO LAST.
8. THE CHINESE WERE CRITICAL OF BELGIUM'S ROLE IN KOREA.
TINDEMANS EXPLAINED THE HARD-EARNED LESSON IN TWO WORLD
WARS OF THE ESSENTIALITY OF COLLECTIVE DEFENSE AND THE IMPOR-
TANCE OF THE UN TO SMALL COUNTRIES LIKE BELGIUM. IN RESPONSE
TO THE UN SECURITY COUNCIL, BELGIUM RESPONDED WITH TROOPS
WHICH HAVE LONG SINCE BEEN REMOVED. TINDEMANS SAID THAT HIS
EXPLANATION WAS MET WITH COMPLETE SILENCE.
9. THE CHINESE IN SPEAKING ABOUT KOREA EMPHASIZED THAT KOREA
SHOULD AND WOULD BE REUNIFIED. WE ASKED WHETHER THE CHINESE
HAD TALKED ABOUT PEACEFUL REUNIFICATION OR REUNIFICATION WITHOUT
QUALIFICATION. THE LATTER, TINDEMANS SAID. NOTE: THIS ACCOUNT
IF DIFFERENT THAN FOREIGN MINISTER VAN ELSLANDE'S (BRUSSELS
4030). TINDEMANS ALSO INDICATED THAT KIM HAD BEEN IN CHINA AT
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THE SAME TIME AS TINDEMANS AND HAD ASKED THE CHINESE FOR
ARMS.
10. TINDEMANS SAID THAT HE FOUND THE STATE OF CHINESE SOVIET
RELATIONS BETTER THAN HE HAD ANTICIPATED AND CHINESE-AMERICAN
RELATIONS WORSE THAN HE HAD EXPECTED. WHEN ASKED FOR PARTI-
CULARS, THE ONLY EXAMPLE TINDEMANS CITED WAS THE CHINESE DES:
CRIPTION AND EVALUTION OF THE DIFFERENT FOREIGN POLICIES OF
Margaret P. Grafeld Declassified/Released US Department of State EO Systematic Review 05 JUL 2006
Margaret P. Grafeld Declassified/Released US Department of State EO Systematic Review 05 JUL 2006
SECRETARIES KISSINGER AND SCHLESINGER. THE CHINESE SAID THAT
SECRETARY KISSINGER'S DETENTE POLICY WAS BASED ON THE WRONG
ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT SOVIET INTENTIONS. THEY THOUGHT THAT SECRE-
TARY SCHLESINGER'S APPRAISAL OF THE SOVIETS' CAPABILITIES AND
INTENTIONS, AS CONTAINED IN HIS FEBRUARY REPORT TO CONGRESS,
WAS MORE REALISTIC.
11. TINDEMANS SAID HE INTENDED TO WRITE SECRETARY KISSINGER
WITH A FULL REPORT OF HIS TRIP TO CHINA. I ENCOURAGED HIM TO
DO SO.FIRESTONE
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Tindemans rapporteerde aan Kissinger

  • 1. Margaret P. Grafeld Declassified/Released US Department of State EO Systematic Review 05 JUL 2006 Margaret P. Grafeld Declassified/Released US Department of State EO Systematic Review 05 JUL 2006 Message Text CONFIDENTIAL PAGE 01 BRUSSE 04328 151539Z 62 ACTION SS-25 INFO OCT-01 ISO-00 /026 W --------------------- 036871 R 151435Z MAY 75 FM AMEMBASSY BRUSSELS TO SECSTATE WASHDC 3899 INFO USLO PEKING AMCONSUL HONG KONG C O N F I D E N T I A L BRUSSELS 04328 EXDIS E.O. 11652: XGDS-1 TAGS: PFOR, CH, BE SUBJECT: TINDEMANS' VISIT TO PRC REF: BRUSSELS 4030 1. I SAW PRIME MINISTER TINDEMANS YESTERDAY AND GOT A RUNDOWN ON HIS VISIT TO CHINA. 2. TINDEMANS SAID THAT HE HAD BEEN RECEIVED IN CHINA LIKE A KING. HIS RECEPTION COULD HAVE BEEN NO WARMER IF HE HAD BEEN THE PRIME MINISTER OF A FRIENDLY GREAT POWER. IN CONTRAST, THE CHINESE RECEPTION OF PRINCE ALBERT, THERE ON A TRADE MISSION, HAD BEEN MERELY PROPER. 3. MAO APPEARED OLD AND TIRED TO TINDEMANS. ALTHOUGH MAO'S MIND SEEMED TO BE ALERT, HE HAD TROUBLE SPEAKING. MEDICAL INSTRUMENTS AND EQUIPMENT WERE EVIDENT IN THE ROOM WHERE THEY MET. 4. CHOU RECEIVED TINDEMANS IN WHAT WAS SAID TO BE A HOSPITAL BUT THE ROOM IN WHICH THEY MET LOOKED LIKE A NORMAL RECEPTION ROOM. CHOU WAS VERY WELL INFORMED ON A WIDE VARIETY OF SUBJECT, INCLUDING DETAILS OF EUROPEAN ISSUES. 5. CHI TENG-KUEI PARTICIPATED IN THE MAO-TINDEMANS TALKS CONFIDENTIAL CONFIDENTIAL PAGE 02 BRUSSE 04328 151539Z AND, WHEN THE MAO INTERVIEW WAS OVER, ASKED TINDEMANS TO RE-
  • 2. Margaret P. Grafeld Declassified/Released US Department of State EO Systematic Review 05 JUL 2006 Margaret P. Grafeld Declassified/Released US Department of State EO Systematic Review 05 JUL 2006 MAIN FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION. TINDEMANS SAID THAT CHI LOOKED AND ACTED TOUGH AND HARD. TINDEMANS NOTED THAT CHI HAD BEEN EDUCATED IN RUSSIA, KNEW LITTLE ABOUT THE REST OF THE WORLD, AND WAS AN UNCOMPROMISING, FRIGHTENING MAN IN THE WORST RUSSIAN TRADITION. 6. MAO DELIVERED A FORTY-FIVE MINUTE SPEECH ON THE SOVIET THREAT TO EUROPE AND ON THE NEED FOR EUROPE TO BE STRONG MILITARILY. HE SAID THAT THE USSR, WITH ONLY ABOUT ONE MILLION TROOPS ON THE LONG SOVIET-CHINESE BORDER, WAS NO MEANCE TO CHINA. THE CHINESE DID NOT REFER TO THE SOVIET NUCLEAR CAPABI- LITY IN TALKING ABOUT THE SOVIET FORCES OF CONCERN TO CHINA. IN CONTRAST, THE SOVIETS HAD THREE TIMES MORE POWER DEPLOYED IN EUROPE. MAO SAID THAT BOTH SUPERPOWERS WANTED TO EXTEND THEIR HEGEMONY. CHINA IN CONTRAST WAS NO SUPERPOWER, DID NOT WANT TO BE ONE, AND DID NOT WANT HEGEMONY OVER OTHER COUNTRIES. CHOU AND CHI ALSO STRESSED THE SOVIET THREAT TO EUROPE AND PEDDLED THE STANDARD CHINESE LINE THAT THE STRUGGLE BETWEEN THE SUPER- POWERS WILL LEAD TO WAR. 7. THE CHINESE LEADERS EMPHASIZED THE PRIMACY OF NATIONALISM IN INTERNATIONAL AFFAIRS AND THE PASSING NATURE OF ARTIFICIAL DIVISIONS OF NATIONS. JUST AS VIETNAM HAS BEEN REUNITED, SO WILL KOREA AND CHINA. FURTHERMORE, THE CHINESE DID NOT EXPECT THE DIVISION OF GERMANY TO LAST. 8. THE CHINESE WERE CRITICAL OF BELGIUM'S ROLE IN KOREA. TINDEMANS EXPLAINED THE HARD-EARNED LESSON IN TWO WORLD WARS OF THE ESSENTIALITY OF COLLECTIVE DEFENSE AND THE IMPOR- TANCE OF THE UN TO SMALL COUNTRIES LIKE BELGIUM. IN RESPONSE TO THE UN SECURITY COUNCIL, BELGIUM RESPONDED WITH TROOPS WHICH HAVE LONG SINCE BEEN REMOVED. TINDEMANS SAID THAT HIS EXPLANATION WAS MET WITH COMPLETE SILENCE. 9. THE CHINESE IN SPEAKING ABOUT KOREA EMPHASIZED THAT KOREA SHOULD AND WOULD BE REUNIFIED. WE ASKED WHETHER THE CHINESE HAD TALKED ABOUT PEACEFUL REUNIFICATION OR REUNIFICATION WITHOUT QUALIFICATION. THE LATTER, TINDEMANS SAID. NOTE: THIS ACCOUNT IF DIFFERENT THAN FOREIGN MINISTER VAN ELSLANDE'S (BRUSSELS 4030). TINDEMANS ALSO INDICATED THAT KIM HAD BEEN IN CHINA AT CONFIDENTIAL CONFIDENTIAL PAGE 03 BRUSSE 04328 151539Z THE SAME TIME AS TINDEMANS AND HAD ASKED THE CHINESE FOR ARMS. 10. TINDEMANS SAID THAT HE FOUND THE STATE OF CHINESE SOVIET RELATIONS BETTER THAN HE HAD ANTICIPATED AND CHINESE-AMERICAN RELATIONS WORSE THAN HE HAD EXPECTED. WHEN ASKED FOR PARTI- CULARS, THE ONLY EXAMPLE TINDEMANS CITED WAS THE CHINESE DES: CRIPTION AND EVALUTION OF THE DIFFERENT FOREIGN POLICIES OF
  • 3. Margaret P. Grafeld Declassified/Released US Department of State EO Systematic Review 05 JUL 2006 Margaret P. Grafeld Declassified/Released US Department of State EO Systematic Review 05 JUL 2006 SECRETARIES KISSINGER AND SCHLESINGER. THE CHINESE SAID THAT SECRETARY KISSINGER'S DETENTE POLICY WAS BASED ON THE WRONG ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT SOVIET INTENTIONS. THEY THOUGHT THAT SECRE- TARY SCHLESINGER'S APPRAISAL OF THE SOVIETS' CAPABILITIES AND INTENTIONS, AS CONTAINED IN HIS FEBRUARY REPORT TO CONGRESS, WAS MORE REALISTIC. 11. TINDEMANS SAID HE INTENDED TO WRITE SECRETARY KISSINGER WITH A FULL REPORT OF HIS TRIP TO CHINA. I ENCOURAGED HIM TO DO SO.FIRESTONE CONFIDENTIAL NNN