Before we begin
Beforewe begin
• This presentation is not to be used as a
This presentation is not to be used as a
means of finding fault or insult our
means of finding fault or insult our
fellow brethren, but to be used as a tool
fellow brethren, but to be used as a tool
to recognize where we can improve our
to recognize where we can improve our
own skills and abilities in order to
own skills and abilities in order to
• STAY SAFE
STAY SAFE…
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3.
WHAT DO YOUSEE WRONG WITH
WHAT DO YOU SEE WRONG WITH
THIS PICTURE ?
THIS PICTURE ?
4.
Here is whatothers had to say
Here is what others had to say
• Day 1 Stuff, Bell goes off jacket goes on i bet he shat his pants Is this
Day 1 Stuff, Bell goes off jacket goes on i bet he shat his pants Is this
guy an idiot? How about that stupid ass Chief watching him .Do I hear
guy an idiot? How about that stupid ass Chief watching him .Do I hear
the circus coming? Must be some yahoo department. goes against
the circus coming? Must be some yahoo department. goes against
what we're taught hey people, OMG U HAVE TO BE KIDDING ME... IS
what we're taught hey people, OMG U HAVE TO BE KIDDING ME... IS
THAT THEIR POLICY TO FIGHT STRUCTURE FIRES WITH RED
THAT THEIR POLICY TO FIGHT STRUCTURE FIRES WITH RED
SUSPENDERS? CAN WE SAY HEY GUBBER COME DOWN FROM THERE!
SUSPENDERS? CAN WE SAY HEY GUBBER COME DOWN FROM THERE!
FOUR FIREFIGHTERS ONE SCBA...NO MASKS..WHERE IS IC? Personal
FOUR FIREFIGHTERS ONE SCBA...NO MASKS..WHERE IS IC? Personal
protective gear is extremely important, and in a situation like that it is
protective gear is extremely important, and in a situation like that it is
not something to joke about. Where is the safety officer? just like a
not something to joke about. Where is the safety officer? just like a
chief to sit there and watch. Hey Chief think you should say
chief to sit there and watch. Hey Chief think you should say
something? Two other Nimrods, one without a helmet or gloves and
something? Two other Nimrods, one without a helmet or gloves and
the other without a jacket, helmet or BA. Okay, maybe one
the other without a jacket, helmet or BA. Okay, maybe one
explanation is this: The guy on top of the ladder and the one below
explanation is this: The guy on top of the ladder and the one below
(w/o the helmet with scba) were fighting the fire from INSIDE when it
(w/o the helmet with scba) were fighting the fire from INSIDE when it
simply became too hot to stand... and at that moment they had to bail
simply became too hot to stand... and at that moment they had to bail
out. On the porch or on his way down the first one loses his helmet,
out. On the porch or on his way down the first one loses his helmet,
the second one can't stand the heat anymore and throws off his BA,
the second one can't stand the heat anymore and throws off his BA,
helmet and vest on the porch because they are burning hot... Then he
helmet and vest on the porch because they are burning hot... Then he
jumps onto the ladder to get out of there (you can see his feet aren't
jumps onto the ladder to get out of there (you can see his feet aren't
even ON it)... I don't see anything coming out of the roof and I don't
even ON it)... I don't see anything coming out of the roof and I don't
think it would be rolling like that if the roof was vented. These guys
think it would be rolling like that if the roof was vented. These guys
give redneck fire departments a bad name.. So i guess the helmet is
give redneck fire departments a bad name.. So i guess the helmet is
optional in his department...
optional in his department...
5.
What could bedone
What could be done
differently?
differently?
6.
What others think
Whatothers think
• It would behoove him to make himself a loop for
It would behoove him to make himself a loop for
support...would be easier on him, at least his balls
support...would be easier on him, at least his balls
• There should be more than one person on that line and like
There should be more than one person on that line and like
others have said there should be more than one line in service
others have said there should be more than one line in service
• The FF is probably tired and knows he isn't moving for a while. A
The FF is probably tired and knows he isn't moving for a while. A
keely coil would be helpful, but when you get your chance to do
keely coil would be helpful, but when you get your chance to do
what he's doing, you'll understand why he's like that. There's
what he's doing, you'll understand why he's like that. There's
probably a bunch of other streams in service, coming from
probably a bunch of other streams in service, coming from
tower buckets, aerial ladders, or other master stream sources.
tower buckets, aerial ladders, or other master stream sources.
Lastly, the rest of the crew is probably catching a break for a
Lastly, the rest of the crew is probably catching a break for a
moment, or like most FDs, doesn't have enough personnel to
moment, or like most FDs, doesn't have enough personnel to
get all the jobs done.
get all the jobs done.
• Believe it or not, sitting on the hose like that does not hurt, it is
Believe it or not, sitting on the hose like that does not hurt, it is
awkward and uncomfortable but it definitely don't hurt and
awkward and uncomfortable but it definitely don't hurt and
would not throw you around. Its general physics, even looping it
would not throw you around. Its general physics, even looping it
once then sitting on it would reduce enough pressure to be
once then sitting on it would reduce enough pressure to be
comfortable to sit on, without feeling like being lifted up...
comfortable to sit on, without feeling like being lifted up...
7.
What could bedone
What could be done
differently?
differently?
8.
What others think
Whatothers think
• GOT AIRPACKS (SCBA) ?
GOT AIRPACKS (SCBA) ?
• A HOSELINE READY WOULD BE NICE
A HOSELINE READY WOULD BE NICE
• A SAFETY HARNESS OFF THE PLATFORM
A SAFETY HARNESS OFF THE PLATFORM
MAY SAVE HIS LIFE IF ROOF COLLAPSES
MAY SAVE HIS LIFE IF ROOF COLLAPSES
9.
What could bedone
What could be done
differently?
differently?
10.
What others haveto say
What others have to say
• BIG FIRE = BIG WATER
BIG FIRE = BIG WATER
• Lets think about this... Fully involved to
Lets think about this... Fully involved to
you left, Surround and Drown, protect
you left, Surround and Drown, protect
the buildings to either side(s) with a
the buildings to either side(s) with a
large diameter hose/appliance
large diameter hose/appliance
• Dangerous to straddle the line, both
Dangerous to straddle the line, both
should be on same side.
should be on same side.
What others haveto say
What others have to say
• WHERE'S THE SCBA C'MON GUYS THIS
WHERE'S THE SCBA C'MON GUYS THIS
IS WHY WE GET HURT!!
IS WHY WE GET HURT!!
• 2 fog lines would work better
2 fog lines would work better
• Are those jeans?
Are those jeans?
What others haveto say
What others have to say
• How about that trickle coming out of
How about that trickle coming out of
that Blitzfire?
that Blitzfire?
• The problem could have been the
The problem could have been the
hydrant was bad, an the truck had too
hydrant was bad, an the truck had too
many lines off of it...that could add up
many lines off of it...that could add up
to a trickle out of the blitz gun
to a trickle out of the blitz gun
• It’s a goner, protect surroundings
It’s a goner, protect surroundings
15.
What could bechanged here?
What could be changed here?
16.
What others hadto say
What others had to say
• it looks like someone needs to grab a
it looks like someone needs to grab a
hoseline
hoseline
• no helmet, no SCBA and back turned to
no helmet, no SCBA and back turned to
the fire...either a probie or a chief
the fire...either a probie or a chief
Here is whatothers didn’t see
Here is what others didn’t see
• Hose man, where are your gloves
Hose man, where are your gloves
• Backup person, interesting way to hold
Backup person, interesting way to hold
the hose, but if it works???
the hose, but if it works???
Here is whatothers had to say
Here is what others had to say
• WHY ARE THERE 5 GUYS ON THAT ROOF
WHY ARE THERE 5 GUYS ON THAT ROOF
C'MON GUYS..THIS IS WHY WE GET
C'MON GUYS..THIS IS WHY WE GET
HURT!!!
HURT!!!
• Well a couple were making entry and
Well a couple were making entry and
two were going to the peak and another
two were going to the peak and another
was holding the ladder for the men on
was holding the ladder for the men on
the peak doing ventilation
the peak doing ventilation
21.
Take a guesswhat needs change
Take a guess what needs change
22.
Others say
Others say
•if i was that guy i would have a pack on .
if i was that guy i would have a pack on .
(SCBA)
(SCBA)
• at least pull your shield down
at least pull your shield down
• don't know if its lack of experience but if
don't know if its lack of experience but if
that were me I would have an air pack
that were me I would have an air pack
and mask on, and be a little farther
and mask on, and be a little farther
away from the tank
away from the tank
• I agree with you guys about the safety
I agree with you guys about the safety
items but maybe he just wanted to light
items but maybe he just wanted to light
a smoke?
a smoke?
23.
The truth is
Thetruth is
• That was an LP training
That was an LP training
burn, the camera man is
burn, the camera man is
making it look like he’s a
making it look like he’s a
lot closer than he really
lot closer than he really
is, the tank has a huge
is, the tank has a huge
hole in the bottom with a
hole in the bottom with a
LP pipe going up through
LP pipe going up through
it, also notice the fog
it, also notice the fog
pattern behind him, this
pattern behind him, this
firefighter is fine and in
firefighter is fine and in
no danger at all
no danger at all
Some say
Some say
•A hose line in case something goes wrong
A hose line in case something goes wrong
would be a definite asset
would be a definite asset
• Roof ladders, they're not just for traction any
Roof ladders, they're not just for traction any
more. They distribute your weight to help
more. They distribute your weight to help
keep you from going through the roof. The FF
keep you from going through the roof. The FF
doing the cutting may be on one and you
doing the cutting may be on one and you
can't see it. The other FF is on the peak of the
can't see it. The other FF is on the peak of the
roof which is generally a little more solid
roof which is generally a little more solid
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Remember learn andlive
Remember learn and live
•THE END
THE END
and
and
•STAY SAFE
STAY SAFE