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• Lord Curzon, “East is a uni , where scholars never take their degrees”,
req Brits presence more or less forever.
• Thomas Arnold – Their imaginations provided by Kipling “ Dominions
over palms and pine”.
• Kip, “ Road taken by the white man in colonies, Oh, well for the world
where white men tread, when they go to clean a land”.
• Cultural satellite of US.
Edward Said's Orientalism and Eurocentric
Representations
• Charts the Western world's construction(s) of "an inferior East“
• The "Discourse" and Antonio Gramsci's conceptualization of
"hegemony.
• These Western paradigms and epistemologies are invested in the
various forms and modes of representation—including TV and films,
paintings and advertisements.
• Fiction and journalistic writings are critical forms of representation.
• Orient as a Geographical space cultivated, harvested and guarded.
• Globalization is just another name for submission and domination.
• Diff b/w imperialism and colonialism
• Kwame Nkrumah – neo colonialism ( new force op through
comprador equated with global capitalism)
• Glob of world eco indicates pol indep brought no change in eco and
cultural life
• Colonialist deliberately delayed indep to creating a elite social class
for representing them.
• Marx -The universal gp of all pre-capitalist societies as feudal or
‘Asiatic’ – excl non EU social pol gps from analysis.
• Karl Marx “Constructive or regenerating mission;; society Destructive
mission.
• Renan to Marx ( idealogically speaking) or for most rigorous scholars (
lane and Sacy) to most power imaginations (Flaubert and Nerval) saw
the orient req western attention, reconstruction and even
redemption.
• John Westlake, chapter on the principle of international law(1894)
argues, uncivilized needs to be annexed , or occupied by the
advanced powers.
• Electronic post modern world – Reinforcement of the stereotypes by
which the orient is viewed.
• Knowledge to Belfour was surveying a civilization from its origin to its
prime……to dominate.. To have auth over it.. Auth vs autonomy”
• Egyptions “would likely to be agitators who wishes to raises difficulties
than the good natives who overlooks the difficulties of foreign
dominations”.
• Knowledge of subj races or Orientals makes their mgmt easy and
profitable; knowledge gives power and more power more knowledge
and so on increasing profitable dialectic of info and con.
• Cromer and Belfour language –
• Oriental- some one judges,
• The one you’d study,
• Sth one disciplines, sth one illustrates –
• In each frame, the oriental is contained and rep by dominating frameworks.
Where do these come from?
Discourse
• Foucault- strong bounded area of social knowledge a system of
statements within which a world can be known- key features – the
world is not there simply to be talked about rather it through
discourse itself that world brought into being.
• Coleridge “language is the armoury of human mind; contains the
trophies of the past and wpns of the future conquest
• Lord Macaulay “ Our natives subjs are more to learn from us….”
• “Heat excites the Egyptians (an unqualified generalization)to
intemperance in sexual enjoyments”.
• Oriental women are the creatures of male power fantasy. Nerval
“Orient is like veil……
• Lane job is obj to make Egyptians totally visible; nothing hidden from reader;
to deliver them w/o depth, in swollen details.
• The crusades, he argues were not aggression; they were not just
counterpart of Omar arrival in Europe.
• Crusades were not religion but geo strategic impulsions…..civilization
supremacy.
• Chateaubriand argues,
• “Of liberty they know nothing; of prosperity they have none; force is their
God. When they go for long pds w/o conquerors who do heavenly justice, they
have the air of soldiers w/o ldrs, ctzs w/o legislators and family w/o father”.
• Cultural or intellectual proletariat.
• In the discussion about orient, the orient is all absence, whereas one
feels the orientalist and what he says as presence; yet we must not
forget the orient presence is enabled by the orient effective absence.
• After WW1, Turkey was surveyed for dismemberment. Laying out op
table for surgery of sick man of Europe.
• Behind the white man’s mask of amiable leadership, there is always
express willingness to use force, to kill or to be killed. What dignify
his mission is some sort of intellectual dedication; he is a white man,
but not for mere profit, since his chosen stars sits far above earthly
gain.
• Marx , Lascswell in agreement “ They can’t represent themselves,
they must be represented”.
• In films TV, Arab depiction oversexed degenerate, treacherous, low,
slave trader, camel driver.
• In news photos, Arab marauders ( captured white man and blonde
girl) - Arab are shown in large numbers – mass rage misery –irrational
gestures. Lurking behind all these images is menace of Jihad.
Consequence : a fear that the Muslim (or Arabs) will take over the
world.
• Fabulously deconstructed the anti Islam discourse. For hundred of
pages in vol 1 by Erfan Shahid chapter on Pre Islamic Arabic P.302.
• Hamady again: Thus, the Arab lives in a hard and frustrating
environment. He has little chance to develop his potentialities and
define his position in society, and holds little belief in progress and
change and finds salvation only in the hereafter.
• He could understand the condensation and bad faith of western writers
( camel risers to Modern Arab Revolutionaries). P.315.
• Though the powerful current of the anti-imperial has tempered the
western edge of the dominant culture still remains second order power
in the production of knowledge about themselves. And are only native
informants.
• Thus in the thirty-fourth chapter of his two-volume work Modern Egypt,
• "Accuracy is abhorrent to the Oriental mind. Every Anglo-Indian should always
remember that maxim." Want of accuracy, which easily degenerates into
untruthfulness, is in fact the main characteristic of the Oriental mind.
• Whereas, European is a close reasoner; his statements of fact are devoid
of any ambiguity; he is a natural logician, albeit he may not have studied
Jogic; he is by nature sceptical and requires proof before he can accept the
truth of any proposition;
• On the contrary, Muslims are often incapable of drawing the most obvious
conclusions from any simple premises of which they may admit the truth.
His explanation will generally be lengthy, and wanting in lucidity. He will
probably contradict himself half-a-dozen times before he has finished his
story. He will often break down under the mildest process of cross-
examination
• Knowledge to Balfour means surveying a civilization from its origins to
its prime its decline-
• Knowledge means rising above immediacy, beyond self, into the
foreign and distant.
• To have such knowledge of such a thing is to dominate it, to have
authority over it And authority here means for "us" to deny
autonomy to "it"-
• Here is T. E. Lawrence, writing to V. W. Richards in 1918: . . .
• The Arab appealed to my imagination. It is the old, old civilization, which has refined itself
clear of household gods, and Orientalism Now half the trappings which ours hastens to
assume. They think for the moment and endeavour‘ to slip through life without turning
comers or climbing bills. It is mental and moral fatigue, a race trained out, and to avoid
difficulties they have to jettison so much that we think honorable and grave
• Gertrude Bell: How many thousand years this state of things has lasted
[namely, that Arabs live in a “state of War”….but in all the centuries the Arab
has bought no wisdom from experience. He is never safe, and yet he behaves
as though security were his daily bread.
• 60,000 books dealing with the Near Orient were written between 1 800
and 1950; there is no remotely comparable figure for Oriental books about
the West.
• As a cultural apparatus Orientalism is all aggression, activity, judgment, will
to-truth, and knowledge. The Orient existed for the West,
• What we are left with is Bell's Arab: centuries of experience and no
wisdom. As a collective entity, then, the Arab accumulates no existential or
even semantical thickness.
• Gertrude Bell: It is scarcely an exaggeration to say that if the English
mission had been turned back from the gates of Kabul, the English tourist
would be frowned upon in the streets of Damascus.
• At bottom, Smith's vision of the world is binary. as is evident in such
passages as the following:
• The Arabian traveller is quite different from ourselves. The labour of moving from
place to place is a mere nuisance to him, he has no enjoyment in effort [as "we" do.
and grumbles at hunger or fatigue with all his might [as "we" do not]. ….. Moreover
the Arab is little impressed by scenery [but "we" are].
• In reading the Orientalists one understands that the apocalypse to be
feared was not the destruction of Western civilization but rather the
destruction of the barriers that kept East and West from each other.
• When Gibb opposed nationalism in the modem Islamic states, he did so
because he felt that nationalism would corrode the inner structures
keeping Islam Oriental; the net result of secular nationalism would be to
make the Orient no different from the West
• In the films and television the Arab is associated lechery or
bloodthirsty dishonesty.
• He appears as an oversexed degenerate
• Slave trader, camel driver, moneychanger, colorful scoundrelin the
cinema. History of Islam, defined by P. M. Holt's -Islamic civilization,
history as the High Renaissance in Italy. : ", [al-Ma'munJ seemed to
shrink from contact with Baghdad society and remained settled at
Merv, a serious Shi'i revolt, that of Abu'I-Saraya, who January 815 sent
out a call to arms from Kufa in support of the Hasanid Ibn Tabataba.“
• The Arab leader (of marauders, pirates, "native" insurgents) can often
be seen snarlirig at the captured Western hero and the blond girl (both
of them steeped in wholesomeness),
• He leers suggestively as he speaks: In newsreels or newsphotos, the Arab is
always shown in large numbers. No individuality, no personal
characteristics or experiences. Most of the pictures represent mass rage
and misery, or irrational (hence hopelessly eccentric) gestures. Lurking
behind all of these images is the menace of jihad. Consequence: a fear
that the Muslims (or Arabs) will take over the world.
• Most elementary courses in Oriental languages are taught by "native
informants" in USA
• The modern orient in short participates in its own Orientalizing.
• Oriental scholar will use his American training to feel superirioty to his own
people because he is being able to manage the orientalist system
• The phrase “ the arabs so far have demonstrated an incapacity for
disciplined and abiding unity. They experience collective outbursts of
enthusiasm but do not pursue patiently collective endeavors, which are
usually embraced half heartedly. They show lack of coordination and
harmony in orgazniation and function, nor have they revealed an ability for
cooperation. Any collective action for common benefit or mutual profit is
alien to them”
• To whom are the Arabs revealing, demonstrating, showing? To no one in
particular. obviously, but to everyone in general. This is another way of
saying that these truths are self-evident only to a privileged or initiated
observer.
• As her prose moves along, her tone increases in confidence-: "Any
collective action ... is alien to them." The Arabs exist only as an occasion
for the tyrannical observer; "The world is my idea.“

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Said Orientalism.pptxna ka kx ,a sx ka x am x

  • 1. • Lord Curzon, “East is a uni , where scholars never take their degrees”, req Brits presence more or less forever. • Thomas Arnold – Their imaginations provided by Kipling “ Dominions over palms and pine”. • Kip, “ Road taken by the white man in colonies, Oh, well for the world where white men tread, when they go to clean a land”. • Cultural satellite of US.
  • 2. Edward Said's Orientalism and Eurocentric Representations • Charts the Western world's construction(s) of "an inferior East“ • The "Discourse" and Antonio Gramsci's conceptualization of "hegemony. • These Western paradigms and epistemologies are invested in the various forms and modes of representation—including TV and films, paintings and advertisements. • Fiction and journalistic writings are critical forms of representation. • Orient as a Geographical space cultivated, harvested and guarded.
  • 3. • Globalization is just another name for submission and domination. • Diff b/w imperialism and colonialism • Kwame Nkrumah – neo colonialism ( new force op through comprador equated with global capitalism) • Glob of world eco indicates pol indep brought no change in eco and cultural life • Colonialist deliberately delayed indep to creating a elite social class for representing them.
  • 4. • Marx -The universal gp of all pre-capitalist societies as feudal or ‘Asiatic’ – excl non EU social pol gps from analysis. • Karl Marx “Constructive or regenerating mission;; society Destructive mission. • Renan to Marx ( idealogically speaking) or for most rigorous scholars ( lane and Sacy) to most power imaginations (Flaubert and Nerval) saw the orient req western attention, reconstruction and even redemption. • John Westlake, chapter on the principle of international law(1894) argues, uncivilized needs to be annexed , or occupied by the advanced powers.
  • 5. • Electronic post modern world – Reinforcement of the stereotypes by which the orient is viewed. • Knowledge to Belfour was surveying a civilization from its origin to its prime……to dominate.. To have auth over it.. Auth vs autonomy” • Egyptions “would likely to be agitators who wishes to raises difficulties than the good natives who overlooks the difficulties of foreign dominations”.
  • 6. • Knowledge of subj races or Orientals makes their mgmt easy and profitable; knowledge gives power and more power more knowledge and so on increasing profitable dialectic of info and con. • Cromer and Belfour language – • Oriental- some one judges, • The one you’d study, • Sth one disciplines, sth one illustrates – • In each frame, the oriental is contained and rep by dominating frameworks. Where do these come from?
  • 7. Discourse • Foucault- strong bounded area of social knowledge a system of statements within which a world can be known- key features – the world is not there simply to be talked about rather it through discourse itself that world brought into being. • Coleridge “language is the armoury of human mind; contains the trophies of the past and wpns of the future conquest • Lord Macaulay “ Our natives subjs are more to learn from us….”
  • 8. • “Heat excites the Egyptians (an unqualified generalization)to intemperance in sexual enjoyments”. • Oriental women are the creatures of male power fantasy. Nerval “Orient is like veil…… • Lane job is obj to make Egyptians totally visible; nothing hidden from reader; to deliver them w/o depth, in swollen details. • The crusades, he argues were not aggression; they were not just counterpart of Omar arrival in Europe. • Crusades were not religion but geo strategic impulsions…..civilization supremacy.
  • 9. • Chateaubriand argues, • “Of liberty they know nothing; of prosperity they have none; force is their God. When they go for long pds w/o conquerors who do heavenly justice, they have the air of soldiers w/o ldrs, ctzs w/o legislators and family w/o father”. • Cultural or intellectual proletariat. • In the discussion about orient, the orient is all absence, whereas one feels the orientalist and what he says as presence; yet we must not forget the orient presence is enabled by the orient effective absence.
  • 10. • After WW1, Turkey was surveyed for dismemberment. Laying out op table for surgery of sick man of Europe. • Behind the white man’s mask of amiable leadership, there is always express willingness to use force, to kill or to be killed. What dignify his mission is some sort of intellectual dedication; he is a white man, but not for mere profit, since his chosen stars sits far above earthly gain. • Marx , Lascswell in agreement “ They can’t represent themselves, they must be represented”.
  • 11. • In films TV, Arab depiction oversexed degenerate, treacherous, low, slave trader, camel driver. • In news photos, Arab marauders ( captured white man and blonde girl) - Arab are shown in large numbers – mass rage misery –irrational gestures. Lurking behind all these images is menace of Jihad. Consequence : a fear that the Muslim (or Arabs) will take over the world. • Fabulously deconstructed the anti Islam discourse. For hundred of pages in vol 1 by Erfan Shahid chapter on Pre Islamic Arabic P.302.
  • 12. • Hamady again: Thus, the Arab lives in a hard and frustrating environment. He has little chance to develop his potentialities and define his position in society, and holds little belief in progress and change and finds salvation only in the hereafter. • He could understand the condensation and bad faith of western writers ( camel risers to Modern Arab Revolutionaries). P.315. • Though the powerful current of the anti-imperial has tempered the western edge of the dominant culture still remains second order power in the production of knowledge about themselves. And are only native informants.
  • 13. • Thus in the thirty-fourth chapter of his two-volume work Modern Egypt, • "Accuracy is abhorrent to the Oriental mind. Every Anglo-Indian should always remember that maxim." Want of accuracy, which easily degenerates into untruthfulness, is in fact the main characteristic of the Oriental mind. • Whereas, European is a close reasoner; his statements of fact are devoid of any ambiguity; he is a natural logician, albeit he may not have studied Jogic; he is by nature sceptical and requires proof before he can accept the truth of any proposition; • On the contrary, Muslims are often incapable of drawing the most obvious conclusions from any simple premises of which they may admit the truth. His explanation will generally be lengthy, and wanting in lucidity. He will probably contradict himself half-a-dozen times before he has finished his story. He will often break down under the mildest process of cross- examination
  • 14. • Knowledge to Balfour means surveying a civilization from its origins to its prime its decline- • Knowledge means rising above immediacy, beyond self, into the foreign and distant. • To have such knowledge of such a thing is to dominate it, to have authority over it And authority here means for "us" to deny autonomy to "it"-
  • 15. • Here is T. E. Lawrence, writing to V. W. Richards in 1918: . . . • The Arab appealed to my imagination. It is the old, old civilization, which has refined itself clear of household gods, and Orientalism Now half the trappings which ours hastens to assume. They think for the moment and endeavour‘ to slip through life without turning comers or climbing bills. It is mental and moral fatigue, a race trained out, and to avoid difficulties they have to jettison so much that we think honorable and grave • Gertrude Bell: How many thousand years this state of things has lasted [namely, that Arabs live in a “state of War”….but in all the centuries the Arab has bought no wisdom from experience. He is never safe, and yet he behaves as though security were his daily bread.
  • 16. • 60,000 books dealing with the Near Orient were written between 1 800 and 1950; there is no remotely comparable figure for Oriental books about the West. • As a cultural apparatus Orientalism is all aggression, activity, judgment, will to-truth, and knowledge. The Orient existed for the West, • What we are left with is Bell's Arab: centuries of experience and no wisdom. As a collective entity, then, the Arab accumulates no existential or even semantical thickness. • Gertrude Bell: It is scarcely an exaggeration to say that if the English mission had been turned back from the gates of Kabul, the English tourist would be frowned upon in the streets of Damascus.
  • 17. • At bottom, Smith's vision of the world is binary. as is evident in such passages as the following: • The Arabian traveller is quite different from ourselves. The labour of moving from place to place is a mere nuisance to him, he has no enjoyment in effort [as "we" do. and grumbles at hunger or fatigue with all his might [as "we" do not]. ….. Moreover the Arab is little impressed by scenery [but "we" are]. • In reading the Orientalists one understands that the apocalypse to be feared was not the destruction of Western civilization but rather the destruction of the barriers that kept East and West from each other. • When Gibb opposed nationalism in the modem Islamic states, he did so because he felt that nationalism would corrode the inner structures keeping Islam Oriental; the net result of secular nationalism would be to make the Orient no different from the West
  • 18. • In the films and television the Arab is associated lechery or bloodthirsty dishonesty. • He appears as an oversexed degenerate • Slave trader, camel driver, moneychanger, colorful scoundrelin the cinema. History of Islam, defined by P. M. Holt's -Islamic civilization, history as the High Renaissance in Italy. : ", [al-Ma'munJ seemed to shrink from contact with Baghdad society and remained settled at Merv, a serious Shi'i revolt, that of Abu'I-Saraya, who January 815 sent out a call to arms from Kufa in support of the Hasanid Ibn Tabataba.“ • The Arab leader (of marauders, pirates, "native" insurgents) can often be seen snarlirig at the captured Western hero and the blond girl (both of them steeped in wholesomeness),
  • 19. • He leers suggestively as he speaks: In newsreels or newsphotos, the Arab is always shown in large numbers. No individuality, no personal characteristics or experiences. Most of the pictures represent mass rage and misery, or irrational (hence hopelessly eccentric) gestures. Lurking behind all of these images is the menace of jihad. Consequence: a fear that the Muslims (or Arabs) will take over the world. • Most elementary courses in Oriental languages are taught by "native informants" in USA • The modern orient in short participates in its own Orientalizing. • Oriental scholar will use his American training to feel superirioty to his own people because he is being able to manage the orientalist system
  • 20. • The phrase “ the arabs so far have demonstrated an incapacity for disciplined and abiding unity. They experience collective outbursts of enthusiasm but do not pursue patiently collective endeavors, which are usually embraced half heartedly. They show lack of coordination and harmony in orgazniation and function, nor have they revealed an ability for cooperation. Any collective action for common benefit or mutual profit is alien to them” • To whom are the Arabs revealing, demonstrating, showing? To no one in particular. obviously, but to everyone in general. This is another way of saying that these truths are self-evident only to a privileged or initiated observer. • As her prose moves along, her tone increases in confidence-: "Any collective action ... is alien to them." The Arabs exist only as an occasion for the tyrannical observer; "The world is my idea.“