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Plato, Phaedo
PHIL 102, Hendricks, Fall 2015
The Death of Socrates, by Jacques-Louis David (1787), public domain on Wikimedia Commons
What we’ll discuss from
Phaedo
• Plato’s idea of “the forms”
• Why, according to Socrates, the
philosopher should not be afraid of death
• Arguments for why the soul continues after
death
Quotes about “forms”
Euthyphro p. 7
Phaedo pp. 6,
12
What are forms?
• The essential nature of properties that
many things share (such as justice,
beauty, goodness)
o or the essential nature of a class of
things (such as triangles, circles, trees,
humans)
About the forms
• Universally, objectively true, never
changing
• Exist outside of our heads
• Grasped through reason, not senses
2+2=4
From Plato’s “Seventh Letter”
• Definition of the thing or property in words
or thoughts
• Images or physical objects that have the
form
• Knowledge of the truth
about the form
• The form itself—only
this is unchanging
Seen and unseen (12)
Visible Invisible/intelligible
Physical objects,
images, sounds
Forms
Grasped through
senses
Grasped through
reason
Compound/composit
e (multiple parts)
Simple unities
Changing,
dissolvable
Unchanging, not
dissolvable
Problems w/knowledge from
senses
Sensible objects are changeable & not
always purely “just,” “beautiful,” etc.
Can appear differently acc. to perspective
Why should we think forms
exist?
• Mathematical truths
• Moral objectivism & moral relativism
o Concerns with moral relativism?
o Forms allow for moral objectivism
• Where do we get knowledge
of perfect archetypes?
Fear of death
What reasons does Socrates give in
Apology and Phaedo for why he’s not
afraid of death?
What is the “soul” in Phaedo?
• Different from & separable from body
o Continues after death
o Can be reborn into a new body
• The mind & reason, rather than “loves,
lusts, fears…” (6)
Why philosophers should not fear
death
• What is Socrates’ argument
on pp. 4-7?
• Criticizing arguments:
o Are the premises true or
likely to be true?
o If we assume the
premises true, does the
conclusion follow
necessarily or with high
probability?
Socrates, British Museum, by Marie-
Lan Nguyen, on Wikimedia Commons,
licensed CC BY 2.5
Arguments for soul continuing
after death
• “Argument from Opposites” (9-11)
o Talk about in discussion meetings
• “Argument from Affinity” (11-14)
o See below…
Arg. from affinity
1. There are two kinds of things: “the seen
and the unseen” (12)—see earlier slide
• Seen is visible, changeable, dissolvable;
unseen is none of these
2. The body is more like the seen, the soul
like the unseen
• Soul invisible
• When soul tries to get knowledge thru body
(senses), is confused; only gets truth by itself
• Soul is naturally ruler: like divine
Therefore, the soul is “almost or altogether
indissoluble” (14)

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Plato, Phaedo (PHIL 102)

  • 1. Plato, Phaedo PHIL 102, Hendricks, Fall 2015 The Death of Socrates, by Jacques-Louis David (1787), public domain on Wikimedia Commons
  • 2. What we’ll discuss from Phaedo • Plato’s idea of “the forms” • Why, according to Socrates, the philosopher should not be afraid of death • Arguments for why the soul continues after death
  • 3. Quotes about “forms” Euthyphro p. 7 Phaedo pp. 6, 12
  • 4. What are forms? • The essential nature of properties that many things share (such as justice, beauty, goodness) o or the essential nature of a class of things (such as triangles, circles, trees, humans)
  • 5. About the forms • Universally, objectively true, never changing • Exist outside of our heads • Grasped through reason, not senses 2+2=4
  • 6. From Plato’s “Seventh Letter” • Definition of the thing or property in words or thoughts • Images or physical objects that have the form • Knowledge of the truth about the form • The form itself—only this is unchanging
  • 7. Seen and unseen (12) Visible Invisible/intelligible Physical objects, images, sounds Forms Grasped through senses Grasped through reason Compound/composit e (multiple parts) Simple unities Changing, dissolvable Unchanging, not dissolvable
  • 8. Problems w/knowledge from senses Sensible objects are changeable & not always purely “just,” “beautiful,” etc. Can appear differently acc. to perspective
  • 9. Why should we think forms exist? • Mathematical truths • Moral objectivism & moral relativism o Concerns with moral relativism? o Forms allow for moral objectivism • Where do we get knowledge of perfect archetypes?
  • 10. Fear of death What reasons does Socrates give in Apology and Phaedo for why he’s not afraid of death?
  • 11. What is the “soul” in Phaedo? • Different from & separable from body o Continues after death o Can be reborn into a new body • The mind & reason, rather than “loves, lusts, fears…” (6)
  • 12. Why philosophers should not fear death • What is Socrates’ argument on pp. 4-7? • Criticizing arguments: o Are the premises true or likely to be true? o If we assume the premises true, does the conclusion follow necessarily or with high probability? Socrates, British Museum, by Marie- Lan Nguyen, on Wikimedia Commons, licensed CC BY 2.5
  • 13. Arguments for soul continuing after death • “Argument from Opposites” (9-11) o Talk about in discussion meetings • “Argument from Affinity” (11-14) o See below…
  • 14. Arg. from affinity 1. There are two kinds of things: “the seen and the unseen” (12)—see earlier slide • Seen is visible, changeable, dissolvable; unseen is none of these 2. The body is more like the seen, the soul like the unseen • Soul invisible • When soul tries to get knowledge thru body (senses), is confused; only gets truth by itself • Soul is naturally ruler: like divine Therefore, the soul is “almost or altogether indissoluble” (14)