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WRAP IT UP
2nd IFAD
Manu Malbrain
2nd IFAD – International Fluid Academy Day
Today’s Agenda
• Introduction
• What you should know about Fluids
• What you should know about Monitoring
• What you can learn about Antwerp
• What you can learn next year
WRAP IT UP
Introduction
2nd IFAD – International Fluid Academy Day
250 Doctors
25 Faculty members
25 Industry representatives
X
300
500 Delegates from 32 countries
• Physicians sessions
– 360
• Nursing Sessions
– 105
• Industry
– 35
• Total
– 500
Belgium
The Netherlands
United Kingdom
Germany
Spain
Ukraine
France
Lithuania
Israel
Italy
Nigeria
Argentina
Ireland
Albania
Brunei
Canada
Denmark
Egypt
Georgia
Ghana
Iran
Letland
Luxembourg
Malaysia
Oman
Pakistan
Poland
Serbia & Montenegro
Tsjechie
Turkey
USA
Beyond our Wildest Dreams…
WRAP IT UP
What you should
know about fluids
2nd IFAD – International Fluid Academy Day
MORNING
SESSIONS
Remember
SID!
Saline
Sucks!
Crystalloids
are not equal
Colloids are
not equal
SVR has a
place
Albumin has
a place
GIVE THE RIGHT FLUIDS RIGHT
PUSH THE BOUNDARIES
DONT FORGET MICROCIRCULATION
MORNING
SESSIONS
TBI
Hemorrhagic
shock
Sepsis
Heart Failure
Renal Failure
Liver Failure
USE THE RIGHT FLUID RIGHT
PUSH THE BOUNDARIES
DONT FORGET MICROCIRCULATION
ALI and ARDSIAH and ACS
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What you should know
about monitoring
2nd IFAD – International Fluid Academy Day
AFTERNOON
SESSIONS
Overload =
BAD
Goals =
dynamic
Each job has
a right tool
Closed Loops=
Mixed feelings
FR > Preload
Lactate =
Key/Clue
USE THE RIGHT MONITOR RIGHT
PUSH THE BOUNDARIES
DONT FORGET MICROCIRCULATION
AFTERNOON
SESSIONS
EIT and BIA
Cardiac
Output - BP
ICP and IAP
Microcircu-
lation
Peso and TDP
EVLWi
USE THE RIGHT MONITOR RIGHT
PUSH THE BOUNDARIES
DONT FORGET MICROCIRCULATION
Fluid
Responsiveness
ICG and dye
clearance
Minimal
Invasive
Non-
Invasive
WRAP IT UP
What you should
know about Antwerp
2nd IFAD – International Fluid Academy Day
Antwerp = Hand
throwing
10 reasons to visit Antwerp Next year
1. Chocolate
2. Architecture
3. Diamonds
4. Fashion
5. Sea port
6. Rubens
7. Shopping
8. Nightlife
9. Fine Food, Beer
10. 3rd IFAD
What more do you need…?
3rd IFAD
WRAP IT UP
What you should
know about 3rd IFAD
2nd IFAD – International Fluid Academy Day
3rd
MARK THE DATE!
FRIDAY AND SATURDAY NOV 29TH-30TH 2013 /
ANTWERP BELGIUM
A CONCISE BUT COMPLETE 2 DAY SYMPOSIUM ON FLUID MANAGEMENT AND MONITORING IN THE CRITICALLY ILL
INTERACTIVE VOTING SYSTEM / POSTER SESSIONS / WORKSHOPS / ACADEMY PRIZE AWARD /
NURSING SESSION / CASE DISCUSSIONS / STATE OF THE ART LECTURES / FLUID MANAGEMENT /
HEMODYNAMIC MONITORING / ORGAN SUPPORT AND MONITORING / ROUND TABLE DISCUSSIONS /
ANN.BOGAERTS@ZNA.BE WWW.FLUID-ACADEMY.ORG
FOLLOW US ON:ORGANIZED BY THE INTERNATIONAL FLUID ACADEMY
2 days
probably
iFAD - iPAD
again
Fluids :: Int J Med Fluid Management
Abstracts
Posters
There is
One More
Thing…
What you
should know
before going
home
We forgot to talk about:
Surviving Sepsis Guidelines…
• CVP: 8-12 mmHg
• Chasing a CVP may
lead to:
→ OVER resuscitation
→ UNDER resuscitation
Surviving Sepsis Guidelines
Crit Care Med 2008; [published correction appears in Crit Care Med 2008; 36:1394-1396] 36:296-327
Surviving Sepsis Guidelines
Thanks to our… Endorsing Societies
Thanks to… our Sponsors!
Thanks to… our Sponsors!
GOLD
Thanks to the Faculty
Thanks to… the people in the back
Thank You Ann
Evaluation
Take your Voting
Pad
2nd IFAD – International Fluid Academy Day
Saturday November 17th 2012
How did you find the overall
organisation of this meeting?
Please give your rating between 1 (very bad) to 10 (excellent)
0 100 200 300
10
9
8
7
6
5
4
3
2
1
Vo ng Distribu on
Thank You
There is
Another
One More
Thing…
What you
should know
before going
home
• Any measurement in the ICU stands or
falls with its accuracy and
reproducibility…
• No measurement has ever improved
survival, only a good a protocol can…
Protocolised Care?
Example of a Poor Protocol…
Trof RJ et al. CCM 2012; 40
EVLWI < 10
Fluid Challenge
GEDVI < 850
We must NOT give a fluid challenge
788694
SURGICAL SEPTIC
GEDVI < 850 ml/m2 is too high
Ebb Phase of SHOCK
“Ashen faces, a
thready pulse and
cold clammy
extremities…”
The Ebb Phase - Cuthbertson,
Quart. J. Med.25:233,1932
Flow Phase of SHOCK
“The patient warms
up, cardiac output
increases and the
surgical team
relaxes…”
The Flow Phase - Cuthbertson.
Lancet 1:233, 1942
Fluid Guidance:
MAP, SVV, PPV,
GEF/GEDVI,
PLR, TEO
Fluid Guidance:
Positive (Σ) Fluid
balance, IAP,
EVLWI
EVLWI is NOT a trigger for Fluids
Moving Targets…
1st HIT
MAP, SVV,
PPV, ScvO2
2nd HIT
P/F, EVLWi,
IAP
3rd HIT
PVPI, ICG-
PDR
Moving Goals…
EAGD LGFR
LCFM
Give the right fluid right
Use the right monitor right
Although…
Sometimes it’s better
to have a lucky doctor
than a smart doctor !
But…
It’s always better
trying to do something
even if you don’t
succeed than doing
nothing and succeed
However…
Doing some kind of
monitoring will
preserve your
knowledge basis
Therefore…
RELAX
I only have 3 statements left…
WGAP Meeting at ESICM
ACS Workshop at ISICEM
CALL FOR ABSTRACTS!
3rd
MARK THE DATE!
FRIDAY AND SATURDAY NOV 29TH-30TH 2013 /
ANTWERP BELGIUM
A CONCISE BUT COMPLETE 2 DAY SYMPOSIUM ON FLUID MANAGEMENT AND MONITORING IN THE CRITICALLY ILL
INTERACTIVE VOTING SYSTEM / POSTER SESSIONS / WORKSHOPS / ACADEMY PRIZE AWARD /
NURSING SESSION / CASE DISCUSSIONS / STATE OF THE ART LECTURES / FLUID MANAGEMENT /
HEMODYNAMIC MONITORING / ORGAN SUPPORT AND MONITORING / ROUND TABLE DISCUSSIONS /
ANN.BOGAERTS@ZNA.BE WWW.FLUID-ACADEMY.ORG
FOLLOW US ON:ORGANIZED BY THE INTERNATIONAL FLUID ACADEMY
THANK YOU
See You Next
Year!
2nd IFAD – International Fluid Academy Day
Saturday November 17th 2012

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Manu Malbrain - thisisit wrapitup - IFAD 2012

  • 1. WRAP IT UP 2nd IFAD Manu Malbrain 2nd IFAD – International Fluid Academy Day
  • 2. Today’s Agenda • Introduction • What you should know about Fluids • What you should know about Monitoring • What you can learn about Antwerp • What you can learn next year
  • 3. WRAP IT UP Introduction 2nd IFAD – International Fluid Academy Day
  • 4. 250 Doctors 25 Faculty members 25 Industry representatives X 300
  • 5. 500 Delegates from 32 countries • Physicians sessions – 360 • Nursing Sessions – 105 • Industry – 35 • Total – 500 Belgium The Netherlands United Kingdom Germany Spain Ukraine France Lithuania Israel Italy Nigeria Argentina Ireland Albania Brunei Canada Denmark Egypt Georgia Ghana Iran Letland Luxembourg Malaysia Oman Pakistan Poland Serbia & Montenegro Tsjechie Turkey USA
  • 6. Beyond our Wildest Dreams…
  • 7. WRAP IT UP What you should know about fluids 2nd IFAD – International Fluid Academy Day
  • 8.
  • 9. MORNING SESSIONS Remember SID! Saline Sucks! Crystalloids are not equal Colloids are not equal SVR has a place Albumin has a place GIVE THE RIGHT FLUIDS RIGHT PUSH THE BOUNDARIES DONT FORGET MICROCIRCULATION
  • 10. MORNING SESSIONS TBI Hemorrhagic shock Sepsis Heart Failure Renal Failure Liver Failure USE THE RIGHT FLUID RIGHT PUSH THE BOUNDARIES DONT FORGET MICROCIRCULATION ALI and ARDSIAH and ACS
  • 11. WRAP IT UP What you should know about monitoring 2nd IFAD – International Fluid Academy Day
  • 12.
  • 13. AFTERNOON SESSIONS Overload = BAD Goals = dynamic Each job has a right tool Closed Loops= Mixed feelings FR > Preload Lactate = Key/Clue USE THE RIGHT MONITOR RIGHT PUSH THE BOUNDARIES DONT FORGET MICROCIRCULATION
  • 14. AFTERNOON SESSIONS EIT and BIA Cardiac Output - BP ICP and IAP Microcircu- lation Peso and TDP EVLWi USE THE RIGHT MONITOR RIGHT PUSH THE BOUNDARIES DONT FORGET MICROCIRCULATION Fluid Responsiveness ICG and dye clearance Minimal Invasive Non- Invasive
  • 15. WRAP IT UP What you should know about Antwerp 2nd IFAD – International Fluid Academy Day
  • 17.
  • 18.
  • 19.
  • 20.
  • 21.
  • 22.
  • 23.
  • 24.
  • 25. 10 reasons to visit Antwerp Next year 1. Chocolate 2. Architecture 3. Diamonds 4. Fashion 5. Sea port 6. Rubens 7. Shopping 8. Nightlife 9. Fine Food, Beer 10. 3rd IFAD What more do you need…? 3rd IFAD
  • 26. WRAP IT UP What you should know about 3rd IFAD 2nd IFAD – International Fluid Academy Day
  • 27. 3rd MARK THE DATE! FRIDAY AND SATURDAY NOV 29TH-30TH 2013 / ANTWERP BELGIUM A CONCISE BUT COMPLETE 2 DAY SYMPOSIUM ON FLUID MANAGEMENT AND MONITORING IN THE CRITICALLY ILL INTERACTIVE VOTING SYSTEM / POSTER SESSIONS / WORKSHOPS / ACADEMY PRIZE AWARD / NURSING SESSION / CASE DISCUSSIONS / STATE OF THE ART LECTURES / FLUID MANAGEMENT / HEMODYNAMIC MONITORING / ORGAN SUPPORT AND MONITORING / ROUND TABLE DISCUSSIONS / ANN.BOGAERTS@ZNA.BE WWW.FLUID-ACADEMY.ORG FOLLOW US ON:ORGANIZED BY THE INTERNATIONAL FLUID ACADEMY 2 days
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  • 31. Fluids :: Int J Med Fluid Management Abstracts Posters
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  • 33. There is One More Thing… What you should know before going home
  • 34. We forgot to talk about: Surviving Sepsis Guidelines… • CVP: 8-12 mmHg • Chasing a CVP may lead to: → OVER resuscitation → UNDER resuscitation
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  • 37. Crit Care Med 2008; [published correction appears in Crit Care Med 2008; 36:1394-1396] 36:296-327
  • 39. Thanks to our… Endorsing Societies
  • 40. Thanks to… our Sponsors!
  • 41. Thanks to… our Sponsors! GOLD
  • 42. Thanks to the Faculty
  • 43. Thanks to… the people in the back Thank You Ann
  • 44. Evaluation Take your Voting Pad 2nd IFAD – International Fluid Academy Day Saturday November 17th 2012
  • 45. How did you find the overall organisation of this meeting? Please give your rating between 1 (very bad) to 10 (excellent) 0 100 200 300 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 Vo ng Distribu on Thank You
  • 46. There is Another One More Thing… What you should know before going home
  • 47. • Any measurement in the ICU stands or falls with its accuracy and reproducibility… • No measurement has ever improved survival, only a good a protocol can… Protocolised Care?
  • 48. Example of a Poor Protocol… Trof RJ et al. CCM 2012; 40 EVLWI < 10 Fluid Challenge GEDVI < 850 We must NOT give a fluid challenge
  • 49. 788694 SURGICAL SEPTIC GEDVI < 850 ml/m2 is too high
  • 50. Ebb Phase of SHOCK “Ashen faces, a thready pulse and cold clammy extremities…” The Ebb Phase - Cuthbertson, Quart. J. Med.25:233,1932 Flow Phase of SHOCK “The patient warms up, cardiac output increases and the surgical team relaxes…” The Flow Phase - Cuthbertson. Lancet 1:233, 1942 Fluid Guidance: MAP, SVV, PPV, GEF/GEDVI, PLR, TEO Fluid Guidance: Positive (Σ) Fluid balance, IAP, EVLWI EVLWI is NOT a trigger for Fluids
  • 51. Moving Targets… 1st HIT MAP, SVV, PPV, ScvO2 2nd HIT P/F, EVLWi, IAP 3rd HIT PVPI, ICG- PDR Moving Goals… EAGD LGFR LCFM Give the right fluid right Use the right monitor right
  • 52. Although… Sometimes it’s better to have a lucky doctor than a smart doctor ! But…
  • 53. It’s always better trying to do something even if you don’t succeed than doing nothing and succeed However…
  • 54. Doing some kind of monitoring will preserve your knowledge basis Therefore… RELAX I only have 3 statements left…
  • 55. WGAP Meeting at ESICM ACS Workshop at ISICEM
  • 57. 3rd MARK THE DATE! FRIDAY AND SATURDAY NOV 29TH-30TH 2013 / ANTWERP BELGIUM A CONCISE BUT COMPLETE 2 DAY SYMPOSIUM ON FLUID MANAGEMENT AND MONITORING IN THE CRITICALLY ILL INTERACTIVE VOTING SYSTEM / POSTER SESSIONS / WORKSHOPS / ACADEMY PRIZE AWARD / NURSING SESSION / CASE DISCUSSIONS / STATE OF THE ART LECTURES / FLUID MANAGEMENT / HEMODYNAMIC MONITORING / ORGAN SUPPORT AND MONITORING / ROUND TABLE DISCUSSIONS / ANN.BOGAERTS@ZNA.BE WWW.FLUID-ACADEMY.ORG FOLLOW US ON:ORGANIZED BY THE INTERNATIONAL FLUID ACADEMY
  • 58. THANK YOU See You Next Year! 2nd IFAD – International Fluid Academy Day Saturday November 17th 2012

Editor's Notes

  1. Richard rogers = architect justitiepaleis en ook centre pompidou Mas neutelings riedijck Bob van reeth