The document discusses maximally efficient market extraction (MEV) on Ethereum. It notes that while extracted MEV is increasing, there remains a gap between what is extracted and theoretical maximum MEV. Formal verification frameworks could help quantify theoretical MEV limits, but their use has been limited and off-chain activity makes MEV harder to reason about. Bots are increasingly sophisticated at finding arbitrage opportunities but still have room for improvement in detecting vulnerabilities. The overall darkness of the forest, or how close we are to maximal MEV extraction, remains unknown given these challenges.