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Abortion: pro-life or pro-choice?
Introduction to Characters
John Lee (con): Born in California, John is a responsible citizen
of the country who understands his rights and duties in a
profound manner. He is a citizen of the United States of
America, born and bought up there only. He values honesty,
integrity and safety. Ethics is a major discipline in his life and
has progressed as lawyer professionally, advocating for criminal
cases.
David Lee (con): He works with Justice for All Foundation and
is a social worker by profession. He has been in this field over
twelve years now and has been coming across many cases of
abortion. He is of an idea that addiction in any form cannot be
tolerated in any manner. He thinks that childhood is a very
important part in the lives and addiction makes it weaker.
People who get addicted at an early age have to bear serious
consequences along with their family.
Edward Stem (pro): He is a police officer who is a strict
follower of discipline. By maintaining law and order in the
state, he comes across many cases relating to various aspects.
He is currently the Commissioner of the State.
Michael Monk (pro): He is an economist immigrated to
California. He looks at every fact and policy from the
economy’s point of view and does a comprehensive analysis
depending upon price, demand, supply, satisfaction, etc. He
also believes that people grow up considering the prevailing
trends and circumstances and they have full right to live their
life in their own way. For him going things in an illegal manner
is not anything wrong, until it does not harm anyone else in the

society.
Alec Martin: News broadcaster, for PBS news
Dialogue
Alec Martin- Hello everyone! We are here to discuss about
various aspects relating to a very common yet important topic
about abortion, stating “pro-life and pro-choice”. The abortion
debate has polarized people to the point that most folks will not
discuss it in ordinary conversation. We have Mr John Lee, Mr.
David Lee, Mr. Edward Stem and Mr. Michael Monk; who are
eminent personalities of the city of California and belonging to
different fields would be expressing their opinion regarding the
same.
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http://www.faithfacts.org/christ-and-the-culture/dialogue-on-
abortion
http://pluralism.org/religions/christianity/issues-for-christians-
in-america/the-ethics-of-abortion/
https://www.endthekilling.ca/book/export/html/965
https://www.gwern.net/An%20Abortion%20Dialogue
http://lesswrong.com/lw/47k/an_abortion_dialogue/

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Taylor Makowski [TM1]
Professor Renner
RWS 305W T 4pm
1 October 2013
The Dream Act: A Bright Future or Means to End?
First Draft
Introduction to Characters
Marco Valdez (con): Was born in Mexico, concerned for the
safety of their only son, Marco’s parents began the process of
attaining United States Citizenship. At the age of 11 the Valdez
family moved to San Diego as legal US citizens. Honesty and
safety are highly valued. Marco attended college and decided to
pursue a career as a California Boarder Patrol Officer. He is
also an advocate for human rights. (support military?)
Eddie Howard (con): Is a tax professional (Audit), He strongly
believes in the rule of law and that illegal immigrants should
not be allowed to utilize any programs, including education,
meant for legal US citizens. Illegal immigrants harm society
and lack respect towards the American public. However, Eddie
is simultaneously critical of the government who continues to
supply immigrants with benefits (such as the Dream Act),

despite their illegal status, as well as Americans in general
Michael Kooli (pro): Is an economist. He believes allowing
people to fulfill their dreams will have a positive effect on the
economy and that in general illegal immigration does not
actually harm our society. Anyone wishing to immigrate should
be able to do so, in a timely manner, Earth belongs to humanity.
Michael’s parents immigrated from Europe to escape
oppression.
Luis Benito (pro): Is attending a prestigious college, as a
political science major, he supports the idea of immigration
reform noting that immigration should serve the American
public (it currently does not). He is a strong advocate for
education and believes allowing the dream act to pass will allow
immigrants to reach their dreams, and create skilled workers
that otherwise would have been left to the same fate as their
parents.
Elena Johnson: News broadcaster, for PBS news
Dialogue
Elena Johnson: Good morning. The controversial Dream Act
has sparked intense discussion on whether or not we as a
country owe illegal immigrants a path to citizenship. Today we
have with us four gentlemen ready to debate the effectiveness of
the program for our country. Why don’t we start with Luis
Benito. Can you briefly explain what this law actually is?
Luis Benito: Thank you for having me here today, Elena. Let me
begin with this statement: the immigration system currently in
place in the United States is deeply flawed. That being said, the
Dream Act is a step in the right direction. Current legislation
would allow children who entered the Unites States prior to age
16, who have lived here for at least five years and are under the
age of 30, as of June 15, 2012, to pursue a higher education or
enlist in the military (Nancy Pelosi). Those that initially qualify
and then complete at least [TM2]two years of service or two
years of college would then be offered a path to citizenship. The
act would only apply to a specific set of individuals and contain
various expiration dates (where did I find this??).

Michael Kooli: Adding on to this, many people may not be
aware that the Dream Act has not actually been passed yet,
those who support this bill must continue to rally for its
passage. Although many states have passed their own versions
of the [TM3]dream act regarding higher education for
undocumented immigrants, they cannot and do not provide
pathways to citizenship.
Eddie Howard: Thank goodness for that! [TM4]These illegal
aliens don’t need any more incentives to bombard our country
and deplete our recourses. I believe in the importance of
upholding the law. Illegal means illegal. Why should we be
responsible for people who are not allowed in this country much
less their illegal children?
Michael Kooli: Well, for one, because these individuals have
spent their entire lives [TM5]in this country and know no other
home. These young people “pledge allegiance to our flag,” they
are “talented” and “driven” and “for all intensive purposes they
are Americans” (Obama).
Marco Valdez: Yes, but do illegal immigrants and their
children deserve to have citizenship. I think this requires a
deeper look at the United States government and government in
general. I know firsthand what immigration, legal immigration,
is [TM6]like. My family followed every single law required of
us, I went to college and I became a productive member of
society. And we did it without ever trying to evade the laws of
the country my parents hoped would cultivate our dreams.
Eddie Howard: Turning a blind eye to those who blatantly
disrespect the laws of this country will lead to widespread
anarchy. Any alien who wants to can get inside the boarders
without bothering with the legal system we have in place. They
can abuse our system, and can access virtually every necessity
required to thrive here, without any repercussions. So why
should any immigrant bother with the law? Society should
beware, conformity is a very real phenomenon and one group of
people setting a bad example could lead our country to place no
one wants to bear witness too. (Asch exp. Too much?)

Luis Benito: Lets get real, there are roughly [TM7]11.5
undocumented immigrants in the United States of America.
(Look up- Department of Homeland Security Office of
Immigration Statistics) of these an estimated 1.4 million
children could benefit from the passage of the Dream Act. Only
those children who continue to pursue their education (or
military service) would be authorized to stay in the US with
conditional temporary residence. Of these individuals only
those who complete the requirements will be granted permanent
residency and only then can the dreamers apply for citizenship.
(CITE) This process is long and expensive.
Michael Kooli: Yes, illegal immigration is a problem. Should it
be rewarded? Probably not. However, this is a country that was
built on immigration (Obama-CBS), and the children of illegal
immigrants should not be punished for something they did not
do. Their parents work hard in unskilled labor positions and the
children, whom this act targets, are talented young people with
dreams of having professional careers.
Luis Benito: I agree Michael, it would be in Americas best
interest to provide education for illegal immigrants. Doing so
would encourage more immigrants to complete their high school
educations and even to strive for a college education. [TM8]A
large amount of money is often spent on educating
undocumented children and the US never sees a return from
their education because there are very limited job options for
such a person. (Americas Voice- add more stats). Allowing
these kids to attend college gives them the opportunity to learn
new skills, become more productive members of society, attain
citizenship, and essentially become less of a drain on society.
Marco Valdez: It does not matter that the Dream Act is targeted
and selective, the creation of it at all continues to send a
message to all immigrants that it is ok to evade the laws of this
country. Additionally, our country’s history of tolerance entices
this group of aliens to get over the boarder quickly and
illegally, because someday Americans will offer amnesty again.
Presidents from both parties have habitually handed out

deferred action to illegal aliens facing deportation, allowing
them to stay and work legally in the U.S. The start of World
War II created a labor shortage in the U.S. President Roosevelt
then created the bracero program, which brought roughly
400,000 agricultural workers per year from 1942 to 1964 to
work in the states. In the 1970’s roughly 1 million illegal aliens
lived here. In 1986 a law was passed giving amnesty to anyone
who arrived illegally in the US before 1982. This gave almost 3
million aliens legal permanent residency and of those, 1.1
million received citizenship. Today the number of illegal
residents is above 11 million; this is[TM9] proof that amnesty
does not work (ABC News). It has only made our problems
worse, despite the fact that the government assured us, in 1986,
that boarder security would be tightened. Again, they are
promising tightened boarder security and only a selective
pathway to citizenship for only certain children, however it is
essentially “backdoor amnesty”(Seattle Times) all over again.
Michael Kooli: Allowing 3 Million illegal immigrants, Marco,
to attain legal permanent residency had a great impact on our
country, yes, but a positive one. It allowed 3 million individuals
to come out of the dark (CITE), remove themselves
from situations of abuse and strive for better jobs. Authorizing
them to work increased tax revenue and purchasing power of the
United States (ABC). On the other hand, assuming that 700,000
of the 1.4 eligible dreamers who would have attained permanent
residency status, were deported it would actually cost 16.2
billion dollars versus an estimated 1.4-3.6 trillion dollars that
they could generate. (Dream Act by Numbers)
Luis Benito: Not to mention, the millions (CBO fiscal impact)
of dollars we have already spent on educating these children,
which would be [TM10]completely wasted should dreamers not
be allowed to pursue higher education or be deported.
Marco Valdez: Education is a personal benefit, there is no
guarantee that any of these
kids will be of service to our country nor that any of them will
actually generate

significant sources of income. We cannot depend
on [TM11]hypothetical statistics of their hypothetical benefits
to society. We need guarantees that the students will benefit
their communities, not become dependent on benefits meant for
American citizens and that this act will not encourage increased
illegal immigration. This would be hard to accomplish, given
the huge increase in illegal aliens that has already been
historically demonstrated by the number of immigrants the
country illegally before and after the implementation of the
1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act.
Luis Benito: (weak) Not dealing with the large number of
school aged undocumented immigrant youth will keep in place
an unending trend of individuals with limited high school
educations. Since they currently cannot attend college
(federally?) there are [TM12]few options for them, but to
follow in their parents’ footsteps even though America is the
only home they know. The next generation of American born
citizen children of illegal immigrants (brought over as kids)
will then also become impacted (theoretically causing deficits
in children for generations yet to come, cost for society could
be much more detrimental than letting bright young kids attend
college and receive citizenship). It has been shown that illegal
status of parents negatively affects both undocumented and
citizen children (Urban Institute). Immigration will continue to
be a negative concept in the minds of Americans, but the cycle
can be broken if those that have to aptitude for success are
allowed to attempt to achieve it.
Eddie Howard: Something everyone has neglected to
acknowledge thus far, is that this bill does not actually limit
attaining citizenship to children, those up to 30 years of age
may apply so long as they meet the afore mentioned
requirements. It is misleading to market this bill to Americans
as one that affects only children, because adults will be
benefiting from it as well.
Luis Benito: Yes, however, it is imperative to note that versions
of the Dream Act have been written and re-written for over ten

years. It would be unfair to deny those who began the initial
effort to create and advance the bill their own paths to
citizenship (Immigration Policy Center)
Eddie Howard: Aliens perpetuate a cycle of abuse that is
unhealthy for the United States to continue fostering (by
supporting legislation such as the Dream Act). While Michael
makes a point that employers and other members of the public
may abuse the “rights” of immigrants that they don’t actually
have because they are not citizens, illegal aliens abuse the
system themselves. Not only do they not have to pay taxes
(federal taxes-check accuracy of this statement-EITC) the
United States government paid illegal immigrants 4.2 billion
dollars in refundable tax credits meant for citizens(Treasury IG-
add year and do more research).
Michael Kooli: Actually Eddie, illegal immigrants pay taxes in
many forms including income tax, property tax, sales tax
amounting to an estimated 11.2 billion dollars in state and local
taxes in 2010 (*Immigration Policy Center). These illegal
immigrants “add value to the US economy: not only as
taxpayers, but as workers, consumers and entrepreneurs as well”
(IPC*)
Marco Valdez: I think we are losing the main point of this
argument. Supporting a bill like the Dream Act, reinforces that
illegal immigration is ok. This issue will continue to grow until
action is taken against the problem. We do not want to reward
individuals for breaking the laws, while honorable immigrants
wait years in their home country to be allowed into the United
States legally. Additionally, it is a safety hazard for all
individuals living in the United States to have such large
numbers of undocumented
immigrants in the country. Should anything like the terrorist
attacks of September 11, 2001 occur, or heaven forbid even a
natural disaster, we need to know who every single person
inside our borders is.
Michael Kooli: Possible Debate on open boarders[TM13]
Eddie Howard: Oh, jeez, this country is as corrupt as the

immigrants are delinquent. How is it that the IRS cannot take
action against illegal aliens stealing everything they can from
us? Or that they can even file taxes in the first place? As a
matter of fact illegal aliens can legally drive cars (with a
license), attend our public schools and universities and even use
emergency medical services (CITE). Something needs to be
changed, because this is not a functioning system. The only
thing they don’t have is permission to work. Their presence is
sanctioned though, by the federal government allowing these
other services to even exist to them. What kind of message is
this sending? Come and take advantage of our country: you can
steal our money our services our jobs and while your at it we
will provide your children’s educations free of charge! (Back to
discussion on legality, see teacher note)
Possible Discussion on the US Labor (domestic vs ill and
unskilled vs skilled)
Elena Johnson: Well America, how would you vote?
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Capps, Randolph, Michael E. Fix, Jason Ost, Jane Reardon-
Anderson, and Jeffery S. Pastel. "The Health and Well-
Being of Young Children of Immigrants." Urban Institute.
N.p., 8 Feb. 2005. Web. 29 Sept. 2013.
<http://www.urban.org/publications/311139.html>.
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You Need to Know About Deferred Action and DREAM
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deportation

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