Talk given to the University of Colorado, Denver | Digital Design class
Presentation about the interview and job search process along with my advice. 2023
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VP or Boss Recruiter
Hiring Manager
Panel Interview
Partner
VP/ Boss
Approval (CYA)
Success of the
business: leadership,
results, problem solving
Business goals
Past issues/ pain
Support for design
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You vs others
Final wait Recruiter
Hiring Manager
Panel Interview
Partner
VP/ Boss
Follow up
How often can I follow up with recruiters?
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Increase Opportunities: Efficient Procedures
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Keep track
• LINKEDI N LINK
• WEBSITE LINK
• $ MONEY
• LOCATI ON
LinkedIn
Company
Website [
Email to
board
Trello
Company
Website
ChatGpt
Cover letter
Keywords;
top skills
Trello
LinkedIn Company page
- interested
Ask for referral or help
(LinkedIn Inmail)
Email (chrome plugin)
Trello
ChatGPT
Simplify/ Teal HQ
Rt-click shortcut (Skye, LinkedIn)
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Increase Opportunities: Community Connection
Find your people
Go to meetup groups
Social media (twitter, linkedIn)
Take classes
Startup week/ conferences
meetup.com See also: UX Group [city], agile alliance, Product Design
Denver Startup week: 8 tracks
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• Vision -> Strategy -> Execution
• Cross-Company Collaboration
• Design Thinking/ Lean UX
Champion
• UX Maturity + Advocacy
Background:
Teaching —> Psychology —> Human-Centered Research &
Design
Skye Sant: UX Research & Product Design Leader
Director of Experience and Product Design
UXR, CX and UX Design Manager + Innovation
Coalfire | Cybersecurity Assessments
Director of Internal Digital Strategy
UXR & UX Design Manager (global) + Agile
Team Leader
Prologis | Global Real Estate
Director of UX Research & Product Design
UXR and UX Design Manger
GoCanvas | Digital Forms & Workflow
SaaS, B2B2C, Internal
B2B/B2C/SaaS
Internal Tools
• Leveling up the team’s skills
• Hiring the team
• Measuring the team’s performance
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SaaS, B2B2C
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• Becoming a madonnara (street chalk artist)
• Encaustic (my favorite medium)
• My recent 1-month stay in Kuwait
Skye Sant: UX Research & Product Design Leader
Joys:
• Complex domains
• Enterprise functionality with clear,
coherent flow
• Designing for technical and non-
technical users (complex
personas)
• Hypothesis and data-informed
strategy (Lean UX)
Also:
• Speaking, teaching & mentoring
• Global adventures
• Art, archery & swing dancing
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Cognitive Psychology’s Self-Determination Theory (1970)
3 basic needs to reach intrinsic satisfaction and enjoyment in life:
Competence, Relatedness, Autonomy
Motivational Interviewing
MI is a collaborative, goal-oriented style of communication, a ‘guiding style’ of
communication, that sits between following (good listening) and directing (giving
information and advice).
Relational Style: Align and Engage
Focus on creating a shared vision and goals among team members while actively involving them in decision-making
processes, fostering a sense of ownership and collaboration.
Editor's Notes
My goal
What they need to find out & what you need to express - here’s to whom.
they each have a different perspective, and can answer different questions.
YOU NEED TO FIT THE COMPANY AND THE COMPANY NEEDS TO FIT YOU. Both!
Get volunteers (8): Applicant, Recruiter, Hiring Manager, Panel Interview (3), Partner, VP/ Boss
Assets: resume, cover letter
[pop] I’ll pop up some relevant questions here, and at the end of the slide I’ll address questions.
Resume: Keywords. Optimize for OCR - some design. No columns. PDF is best
Coherence across assets
Portfolio - easy to get to. (Password?)
Resume = intro. LinkedIn, more detail.
Cover Letter: Customize letter = Chat GPT
Give assets to recruiter
Don’t have the right info - job description
Filled the job
Looking for interest
Wrong half pile
_______
What do you control? Info on resume
Here’s what a recruiter is concerned with.
Recruiter: What question do you have for our applicant? (NOT personal - your elevator pitch)
“I’m Skye, I help [this person] do [this thing] for [these types of companies]. “
Questions you can ask this person
Then: recruiter enters info into the system. (Type type)
Don’t have the right skills/experience OR less skills than others
Didn’t present self well - right skills
‘culture’ - interest, available, commitment
Filled the job
Cousin hired
Too expensive
_______
What do you control? Interview skills
Recruiter pass resume/ cover to manager
Job is in the job post
Manager: What question do you have for our applicant?
You can ask what they need! Then talk about how you’ve done it.
Is anyone familiar with this who’d like to explain it?
situation (my job, others, context),
task (constraints, challenges + goal),
action (steps, skills, and HOW you did it - highlight teamwork, collaboration, leadership)
Result (outcomes, quantify metrics, positive impact)
[UX related?]
Info entered into system (sit down)
A Time That You Improved A Process for Everyone
When I was a sales person in a jewelry store, I was responsible for restocking. It took me 2 days - it was hard to find the extra items in the back because anything went on random shelves. So I talked to the owner and he let me order our supplies alphabetically on the shelves in the back. Not only was it possible to restock in 1 hour, we never ran out of supplies because we could see right away what was running out in the back. He was so impressed that he made me a store manager.
No past experience
Don’t demonstrate you could do the job
Didn’t present self well
Someone else had more experience
‘culture’ - interest, available, commitment
Filled the job
Cousin hired
Personal bias
_______
What do you control? Interview skills & more experience
This is other UX, people who do what you do.
Think about doing group work - what do you hope your group members are like?
YMMV: 1. Portfolio review 2 design exercise 3 interview
Panel: What question do you have for our applicant?
Questions you can ask
Info entered into system (sit down)
This is sometimes less about you being inadequate and more about someone else being better.
_______
What do you control? Interview skills & more experience
This is Eng, PM, PO, Sr UX etc
Partners: What question do you have for our applicant?
Questions you may want to ask
Info entered into system (sit down)
This is less about you being inadequate and more about someone else being better.
You may not need to do this now, but certainly later. This one is tough because you may not know a lot about business.
Ask BUSINESS (mission, vision, strategy, market, customers, fire of the industry, etc) questions to keep this guy talking. Relate where you can.
VP: What question do you have for our applicant?
Questions he may answer - mostly, talks. Wants you to share his vision
Info entered into system (sit down)
Can you drive results? Follow through? Do things that should be done without being told to do it?
Also: someone better, personal preference
_______
What do you control? Express how you are a take-charge person; buy into vision
They’re waiting for everyone to finish + info into system
This is you vs everyone else
[pop]
General: can follow up every week and 1/2. Chat GPT is good for this too.
Someone else is better.
_______
What do you control? Interview skills & more experience
I have some advice. Not everything will apply - you know you best. Take what you want.
4 things are important to me
You are gonna want to wait until everything is perfect.
Perfect = success (in school) = PERFORMANCE.
But what you’re doing now is a UX PRACTICE = doing a thing to get better
Do not wait. Get a resume and start applying. Yes, today. Now now.
Start with what you have.
You’ll learn about how effective your assets are.
You’ll put just enough efforts into your assets until they’re effective and not a minute more. (Spin wheels)
If this is a numbers game, sooner you start sooner you’ll have a job.
Timebox:
Reserve your time and attention: do the MVP, just enough work. Then build on it later iterative improvement. Timebox research, asset making, interview practicing.
You must live first - eat, have a place to live - then you can have a job that you like. There is no shame in doing what you have to before you do what you love. It takes a while to find a job.
[me, single mom story]
Don’t ignore reality - get smart, face it, and plan.
Try to get them to go first so you don’t lowball yourself.
The whole process feels personal because it’s happening to you. It isn’t. But you need perspective to see this.
Perspective looks like support, to humans.
Ask: What’s support, for you? What gives you energy and joy? What puts your problems into perspective? What takes some of the burden off? [each person answers]
Therapy - don’t go alone!!
Google is your friend - find best practices, interview help. Use simplify or Team HQ (resume help; application help) or LinkedIn
Ask for feedback! Recruiters see a lot; staffing companies also. Bring professionals into class. Portfolio reviews (free). Classes. Friends. Pay mentors. (Don’t ask for favors - 1:many)
Portfolio upgrades- Volunteer for: Small businesses, freelancers, independent contractors. (website, market/user research, experience design)
linkedin > email (linkedin, website, money, location) > trello > apply > Chat GPT for cover letter > also in trello card > indicate applied > > interest in company > referral
I can show you this in action, if we have time
Anyone go to meetup groups? Meetup dot com
Post on social media
Take classes
Conferences, startup week, events
My deep background is in psychology by way of teaching. After my second degree (in HCI/ UX) I founded a consultancy focused on digital transformation. I have 19 years of exp in every facet of UX research and product design.
To the right - titles, types of platforms, role. The last 10 years I’ve devoted myself to in-house leadership, building teams, products, companies. I’ve worked in many complex industries like healthcare, cybersecurity and finance.
I’ve managed managers across global product lines, been a player-coach to small teams, and functioned as a UX dept of One. In my latest role, UX started as a group of staff product designers and grew into a 3 person research team and an 8 person cross-skilled product design team.
I’ll go into detail about how I manage people and work with my product and engineering partners in the Q&A after my presentation.
Regardless of my title, I come in to companies and do a few things I really enjoy. I believe you can relate to some of the challenges I face in complex domains like cybersecurity and healthcare, and also maturing platforms with enterprise functionality but trying to keep it usable and useful for our users. I’d be happy to speak to some of the ways we do this later, if you’re interested.
I’m active in my community of practice- I lead and speak at UX meetups and conferences and I’m an Executive Guest Lecturer at General Assembly and the University of Colorado’s Digital Design program.
CORE:
Up skill a team & UX practices 2. Cross-functional collaboration (leader=this IS the work) 3. Good partner to the business (use their language)
[hobbies] Here are some things I’d be happy to talk about, if you’re curious
I’d like to talk about how I relate to my team, my partners and other members of the business.
My Relational Style can be summed up as 'Align and Engage’ or sometimes Commander’s Intent.
My leadership comes from my psychology background. Cognitive Psychology’s Self-Determination Theory says that 3 basic needs for life satisfaction are:
1[icon] Competence (or ability): ability to do the work. 2 [icon]Relatedness (or connectedness): where we fit within a larger whole. 3 [icon]Autonomy: the ability to act in accordance with our own organic desire. I use Motivational interviewing to ask smart questions and bring up important topics.
I assure that the vision and strategy are communicated clearly so we’re ALIGNED, and then I ENGAGE my team, making sure they have the ability to do the work, understand where they fit in, and then I give them autonomy.
Mataphor: Everyone’s traveling across country, or with a team. We’re sometimes coming from different directions. “There’s the party mountain”. Everyone will get to it how they need to.
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(Commander’s intent - empowers initiative, improvisation, and adaptation by explaining purpose & then placing the decisions for action closest to the best information)
I create a space and opportunities to grow these using MI as the catalyst.
MI is designed to empower people by drawing out their own meaning, importance and capacity for change.
I’m good at helping people grow; people are the experts of their own lives.
Example: designer is late with assets. Don’t castigate; I’ve created a nonjudgemental space. (our 1:1 he comes to me and will tell me what’s wrong and how he’ll fix it. Guided questions when needed)
*add: best practices of classic MBA management [a la The Effective Manager, Horstman] - 1:1s, assuring quality and excellence, nurturing growth, managing conflicting priorities and providing clear direction.
MI is practiced with an underlying spirit or way of being with people:
Partnership. MI is a collaborative process. The MI practitioner is an expert in helping people change; people are the experts of their own lives.
MI has core skills of OARS: Open questions (Elicit-Provide-Elicit), Acceptance, Reflections, Summarizing,