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organising training and setting up networks on the
 European Coordination of Social Security Schemes
               in the 27 Member States


     National trESS Seminar
   Experiences with ECJ-court rulings
concerning export of benefits and access
              to benefits

               Copenhagen 23.9.2011



                     Bernhard Spiegel
Main issues
•Main focus Entitlement and Export:
    •EU-Principles - Some examples
    •Don’t expect a systematic overview
    •Flashlights
•Achievements:
    •Newest developments –
    •2 AC decisions to show complexity we have achieved
•Burning political issues
    •Family benefits
    •Long-term care
    •Assimilation of facts
    •Minimum benefits – social tourism
•Anything else?
    –Mobility of 3rd country nationals
    –Association Agreements

                                    Bernhard Spiegel
Preliminary remarks
•Role as a visiting trainer:
     •Other perspective than pure national
     •Austrian experiences but also trESS perspective
     •Special wishes and situation in the guest country
     •Hope you do not mind some open remarks
•Denmark:
     •First lesson I had to learn
     “Denmark is different” – tax financed residence based social security scheme
     •Is this still valid?
•Different attitude towards EU ?
     •Austria: Questions and problems: Let’s look for a European solution!
          •Many notes,
          •Many preliminary rulings before the ECJ
          •All non exportable benefits checekd by the ECJ (C-215/99, Jauch, C-160/02, Skalka and C-286/03, Hosse)
     •Denmark?
          •Cases before the ECJ? On Reg. 1408/71?
          •Statistics of the ECJ (all preliminary rulings cases):
                 • DK: 125                           AT: 348
          •Why?



                                                       Bernhard Spiegel
Starter: Pensions - Decision No. H6 -
                                       Aggregation
• Starting point:
  – SED P5000
  – Problem Commission – Germany
     • Periods for entitlement/calculation/both?
• Is now everything clear?
  – First Art. 6 (aggregation all periods), second Art. 5
    (Assimilation) –
  – How far goes Art. 5 (e.g. periods of residence in AT?)
  – Aggregation of periods of residence or assimilation of
    residence abroad? (case C-503/09, Stewart)
  – Still a mystery: what means „to the extend
    necessary“?
                           Bernhard Spiegel
Decision No. S8 substantial benefits in kind
                            [not yet published]
• Starting point:
   – Art. 33 Reg. 883/2004
   – Continuation of entitlement to benefits when competence
     changes in between
   – List to be established by the AC
• Is now everything clear?
   – Prostheses, major appliances and other substantial
     benefits in kind … defined as such in the MS concerned; +
   – Indicative list … contact lenses, wheelchairs … tailored to
     specific personal needs (?)
   – How does this work in practice?
      • Come back to the MS?
      • Refund the treatment in new competent MS?

                            Bernhard Spiegel
Family benefits – cases against Austria
• Starting point
   – In Austria and nearly all other MS: residence based scheme
   – It is not an Austrian monopoly to have problems with family benefits!
   – Legislator has not solved the main questions.
• Many cases – export and entitlement
   – Child-raising benefits are family benefits (DE C-245/94, Hoever and
     Zachow)
   – Also suspended employment relationship is exercise of employment
     (AT C-543/03, Dodl and Oberhollenzer) and situation of whole family
     relevant (no individualisation)- is this a good solution?
   – Who is an employed person exercising an employment (AT C-516/09,
     Borger)?
   – Advances to maintenance grants are family benefits (AT C-85/99,
     Offermanns, C-255/99, Humer)
   – How do we apply the AT C-363/08, Slanina case?

                               Bernhard Spiegel
Family benefits – unsolved questions
• Status quo
   – In Council long discussion
   – No solutions – Austria guilty?
   – Good example: ECJ has to fill the gaps.
• Main issues: Differential supplement?
   – Per child or per family?
   – One basket or for each category of benefits (family allowances and
     „child raising/education“ benefits)?
   – Which period: per year/whole possible period (benefits which could
     be modulated as to the duration by the recipients)?
   – New priority rules? How do we apply the C-363/08, Slanina case?
       • Priority of divorced father over new parent?
       • More than 3 simultaneous openers of entitlements per child?


                                 Bernhard Spiegel
Long-term care – a case study

• Start: DE C-160/96, Molenaar – Plan: benefit in
  kind – ECJ: cash benefits contributory, linked to
  health care – sickness cash benefit
• AT C-215/99, Jauch – Plan: special non-
  contributory benefit (Annex IIa) – ECJ: sickness
  cash benefit, not special, not non-contributory
• AT C-286/03, Hosse – Plan: regional special non-
  contributory benefit (Annex II/III) – residual
  scheme – ECJ: sickness cash benefit
• Many other benefits included – are there still
  any benefits outside?
                     Bernhard Spiegel
Long-term care – status quo
• ECJ not to blame
• Coordination as sickness benefits
   – Benefits in kind by local institutions with reimbursement
   – Benefits in cash exported by the competent MS
• Problems with:
   – Export from residence based schemes
   – Benefits tailored for local needs
   – Benefits which go hand in hand with the provision of local social
     services
   – Art. 34 of Regulation 883/2004 to prevent overlapping




                             Bernhard Spiegel
ECJ C-388/09, da Silva Martins
                            [Decision of 30.6.2011]
• Case: receipt of German and Portuguese pension;
  residence PT
• Subject to PT health care system, does not provide for
  LTC benefits (?)
• Is it possible to continue voluntary LTC-insurance in DE?
  Has DE to export LTC cash benefit?
• ECJ: Yes! Even if PT knows LTC benefit in cash –
  differential payment by DE
• Remaining questions: only for contributory benefits?
• Art. 34 Reg. 883/2004 does not work in such a case
   – Overcompensation!
• Combined with C-352/06, Bosmann, always the best of
  both worlds?
                         Bernhard Spiegel
Long-term care
                                                [Work in progress]
• trESS Think Tank Study – will be available in winter 2011
• Purpose:
   – Mapping of existing schemes
   – Describing the challenges
   – Proposing solutions
• Still many problems and misunderstandings
• What is social assistance excluded from Reg. 883/2004?
   – National systematic not relevant!
   – Also local municipalities can run social security schemes
   – What is „entitlement“?
• Coordination under different chapters of Reg. 883/2004
• Still many cases of overcompensation or exclusion from
  entitlements when sickness chapter is applied

                             Bernhard Spiegel
Assimilation of facts – Child raising periods
• NEW: Art. 5 of Reg. 883/2004 – what cases concerned in
  DK?
• Periods of residence?
• Child raising periods under AT legislation only for child
  raising in AT
   – ECJ C-28/00, Kauer, discriminatory – if close relation of period
     abroad with AT –
   – Which are the limits?
   – Principle: Recital 10 – periods only via aggregation
   – BUT: Art. 44 of Reg. 987/2009 extension
   – BUT: EC goes beyond that in C-522/10, Reichel-Albert
       • No competence of DE at the moment the periods abroad could be
         taken into account

                             Bernhard Spiegel
Minimum benefits – social tourism?

Political dimension
• AT example recipients of small pension from other
  MS (BG und RO) come to AT:
   – Never before relation to AT – no AT pension
      • But also: parents want to move to their children active in AT
   – Claim AT minimum pension (~ € 800 a month, top up only
     to AT pensions) – Art. 5 of Reg. 883/2004
   – Thus achieve also a residence right in AT
• Social tourism (what is the position of the TFEU?)
• Complaints, attacks against the government
   – All other MS are not so stupid
                               Bernhard Spiegel
AT minimum pension for EEA pensioners




               Bernhard Spiegel
AT minimum pension for EEA pensioners




               Bernhard Spiegel
Minimum benefits – legal dimension

• All these benefits are residence based
• Reg. 883/2004: entitlement due to assimilation of
  facts – from what moment on?
• Dir. 2004/38/EG: right to reside for the 5 years in
  case of inactive persons only, if they have
   – Comprehensive health care coverage
   – Sufficient resources so that they do not become a burden
     on the local social assistance scheme
   – Special rules for workers/unemployed/family members
• What comes first?
   – Social security experts/immigration law experts


                           Bernhard Spiegel
Minimum benefits – open issues

• Is “social assistance” under European Law always the same?
   – Not under Reg. 883/2004 but under Dir. 2004/38?
• Is it possible to provide for further conditions for entitlement
  to benefits?
   – 5 years residence for student grant (ECJ C-158/07, Förster)
   – Ordinary residence for job seekers grant (ECJ C-138/02, Collins)
• What is the effect of Art. 5 Reg. 883/2004 (Assimilation of
  facts)?
   – Immediately or only after close relationship to MS? Is it necessary that
     national legislation provides for it or only interpretation?
• If “social assistance” for Dir. 2004/38 only removal from the
  territory or denial of benefit if residence “tolerated” (ECJ C-
  456/02, Trojani)?
• Different opinions of MS/EC/academic world (trESS Think
  Tank report 2008

                                Bernhard Spiegel
Minimum benefits – status quo
• Reactions in Austria:
   • Enforced control mechanism to check “residence” in AT
   • Minimum pension only in case of “legal” residence in AT
   • Top up to minimum pension means social assistance under
     the AT residence law
• Reactions in the EU:
   • Initiative of 13 ministers for social affairs during meeting
     of Council (17.6.2011)
   • Demanding: immediate start of work on changes of legal
     framework
   • Infraction procedure (UK – habitual residence e.g. for
     income support or state pension credit)

                            Bernhard Spiegel
Association Agreements
• Council has decided on Decisions
   • Algeria, Marocco, Tunesia, Israel, FYROM und Croatia
   • Many effects?
   • Equal treatment – already many obligations under ECHR
     (case Gaygusuz)
   • Same coordination as under Reg. 1231/2010
   • What applies to DK? Legal base Art. 79 TFEU)
• Problem Turkey– ECJ C-485/07, Akdas
   • Export non-contributory benefits listed in Annex IIa of Reg.
     1408/71
   • Perfect example how problems are made in Europe:
      • Legislation is not clear
      • Rapid development of the legislation
      • European legislator does not react
                             Bernhard Spiegel
Mobility of 3rd country citizens
Many different legal acts (no problem for DK?)
• Dir. 2003/109/EG status of 3rd country nationals who are long-
  term residents (equal treatment after 5 years of legal
  residence)
• Dir. 2005/71/EG admitting 3rd country nationals for the
  purposes of scientific research (equal treatment – family
  benefits for AT + DE excluded?)
• Dir. 2009/50/EG 3rd country nationals for the purposes of
  highly qualified employment („blue card“) (equal treatment –
  family benefits for At + DE excluded?)
• („single permit“)
• Saisoniers
• Intercorporate Transferees
• …. etc.
• Problem always equal treatment + export of pensions
   – National autonomy?, does community law contain already
     obligations?, ECHR etc.


                             Bernhard Spiegel
Short summary
• AT has many experiences with the ECJ
• More clarity but more questions than answers
• It is getting more complex
• Danger: MS apply EU-rules differently
• Questions of coordination of social security
  are becoming more and more political
• There is still a lot to do!


     Thank you for your attention!
                   Bernhard Spiegel

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  • 1. organising training and setting up networks on the European Coordination of Social Security Schemes in the 27 Member States National trESS Seminar Experiences with ECJ-court rulings concerning export of benefits and access to benefits Copenhagen 23.9.2011 Bernhard Spiegel
  • 2. Main issues •Main focus Entitlement and Export: •EU-Principles - Some examples •Don’t expect a systematic overview •Flashlights •Achievements: •Newest developments – •2 AC decisions to show complexity we have achieved •Burning political issues •Family benefits •Long-term care •Assimilation of facts •Minimum benefits – social tourism •Anything else? –Mobility of 3rd country nationals –Association Agreements Bernhard Spiegel
  • 3. Preliminary remarks •Role as a visiting trainer: •Other perspective than pure national •Austrian experiences but also trESS perspective •Special wishes and situation in the guest country •Hope you do not mind some open remarks •Denmark: •First lesson I had to learn “Denmark is different” – tax financed residence based social security scheme •Is this still valid? •Different attitude towards EU ? •Austria: Questions and problems: Let’s look for a European solution! •Many notes, •Many preliminary rulings before the ECJ •All non exportable benefits checekd by the ECJ (C-215/99, Jauch, C-160/02, Skalka and C-286/03, Hosse) •Denmark? •Cases before the ECJ? On Reg. 1408/71? •Statistics of the ECJ (all preliminary rulings cases): • DK: 125 AT: 348 •Why? Bernhard Spiegel
  • 4. Starter: Pensions - Decision No. H6 - Aggregation • Starting point: – SED P5000 – Problem Commission – Germany • Periods for entitlement/calculation/both? • Is now everything clear? – First Art. 6 (aggregation all periods), second Art. 5 (Assimilation) – – How far goes Art. 5 (e.g. periods of residence in AT?) – Aggregation of periods of residence or assimilation of residence abroad? (case C-503/09, Stewart) – Still a mystery: what means „to the extend necessary“? Bernhard Spiegel
  • 5. Decision No. S8 substantial benefits in kind [not yet published] • Starting point: – Art. 33 Reg. 883/2004 – Continuation of entitlement to benefits when competence changes in between – List to be established by the AC • Is now everything clear? – Prostheses, major appliances and other substantial benefits in kind … defined as such in the MS concerned; + – Indicative list … contact lenses, wheelchairs … tailored to specific personal needs (?) – How does this work in practice? • Come back to the MS? • Refund the treatment in new competent MS? Bernhard Spiegel
  • 6. Family benefits – cases against Austria • Starting point – In Austria and nearly all other MS: residence based scheme – It is not an Austrian monopoly to have problems with family benefits! – Legislator has not solved the main questions. • Many cases – export and entitlement – Child-raising benefits are family benefits (DE C-245/94, Hoever and Zachow) – Also suspended employment relationship is exercise of employment (AT C-543/03, Dodl and Oberhollenzer) and situation of whole family relevant (no individualisation)- is this a good solution? – Who is an employed person exercising an employment (AT C-516/09, Borger)? – Advances to maintenance grants are family benefits (AT C-85/99, Offermanns, C-255/99, Humer) – How do we apply the AT C-363/08, Slanina case? Bernhard Spiegel
  • 7. Family benefits – unsolved questions • Status quo – In Council long discussion – No solutions – Austria guilty? – Good example: ECJ has to fill the gaps. • Main issues: Differential supplement? – Per child or per family? – One basket or for each category of benefits (family allowances and „child raising/education“ benefits)? – Which period: per year/whole possible period (benefits which could be modulated as to the duration by the recipients)? – New priority rules? How do we apply the C-363/08, Slanina case? • Priority of divorced father over new parent? • More than 3 simultaneous openers of entitlements per child? Bernhard Spiegel
  • 8. Long-term care – a case study • Start: DE C-160/96, Molenaar – Plan: benefit in kind – ECJ: cash benefits contributory, linked to health care – sickness cash benefit • AT C-215/99, Jauch – Plan: special non- contributory benefit (Annex IIa) – ECJ: sickness cash benefit, not special, not non-contributory • AT C-286/03, Hosse – Plan: regional special non- contributory benefit (Annex II/III) – residual scheme – ECJ: sickness cash benefit • Many other benefits included – are there still any benefits outside? Bernhard Spiegel
  • 9. Long-term care – status quo • ECJ not to blame • Coordination as sickness benefits – Benefits in kind by local institutions with reimbursement – Benefits in cash exported by the competent MS • Problems with: – Export from residence based schemes – Benefits tailored for local needs – Benefits which go hand in hand with the provision of local social services – Art. 34 of Regulation 883/2004 to prevent overlapping Bernhard Spiegel
  • 10. ECJ C-388/09, da Silva Martins [Decision of 30.6.2011] • Case: receipt of German and Portuguese pension; residence PT • Subject to PT health care system, does not provide for LTC benefits (?) • Is it possible to continue voluntary LTC-insurance in DE? Has DE to export LTC cash benefit? • ECJ: Yes! Even if PT knows LTC benefit in cash – differential payment by DE • Remaining questions: only for contributory benefits? • Art. 34 Reg. 883/2004 does not work in such a case – Overcompensation! • Combined with C-352/06, Bosmann, always the best of both worlds? Bernhard Spiegel
  • 11. Long-term care [Work in progress] • trESS Think Tank Study – will be available in winter 2011 • Purpose: – Mapping of existing schemes – Describing the challenges – Proposing solutions • Still many problems and misunderstandings • What is social assistance excluded from Reg. 883/2004? – National systematic not relevant! – Also local municipalities can run social security schemes – What is „entitlement“? • Coordination under different chapters of Reg. 883/2004 • Still many cases of overcompensation or exclusion from entitlements when sickness chapter is applied Bernhard Spiegel
  • 12. Assimilation of facts – Child raising periods • NEW: Art. 5 of Reg. 883/2004 – what cases concerned in DK? • Periods of residence? • Child raising periods under AT legislation only for child raising in AT – ECJ C-28/00, Kauer, discriminatory – if close relation of period abroad with AT – – Which are the limits? – Principle: Recital 10 – periods only via aggregation – BUT: Art. 44 of Reg. 987/2009 extension – BUT: EC goes beyond that in C-522/10, Reichel-Albert • No competence of DE at the moment the periods abroad could be taken into account Bernhard Spiegel
  • 13. Minimum benefits – social tourism? Political dimension • AT example recipients of small pension from other MS (BG und RO) come to AT: – Never before relation to AT – no AT pension • But also: parents want to move to their children active in AT – Claim AT minimum pension (~ € 800 a month, top up only to AT pensions) – Art. 5 of Reg. 883/2004 – Thus achieve also a residence right in AT • Social tourism (what is the position of the TFEU?) • Complaints, attacks against the government – All other MS are not so stupid Bernhard Spiegel
  • 14. AT minimum pension for EEA pensioners Bernhard Spiegel
  • 15. AT minimum pension for EEA pensioners Bernhard Spiegel
  • 16. Minimum benefits – legal dimension • All these benefits are residence based • Reg. 883/2004: entitlement due to assimilation of facts – from what moment on? • Dir. 2004/38/EG: right to reside for the 5 years in case of inactive persons only, if they have – Comprehensive health care coverage – Sufficient resources so that they do not become a burden on the local social assistance scheme – Special rules for workers/unemployed/family members • What comes first? – Social security experts/immigration law experts Bernhard Spiegel
  • 17. Minimum benefits – open issues • Is “social assistance” under European Law always the same? – Not under Reg. 883/2004 but under Dir. 2004/38? • Is it possible to provide for further conditions for entitlement to benefits? – 5 years residence for student grant (ECJ C-158/07, Förster) – Ordinary residence for job seekers grant (ECJ C-138/02, Collins) • What is the effect of Art. 5 Reg. 883/2004 (Assimilation of facts)? – Immediately or only after close relationship to MS? Is it necessary that national legislation provides for it or only interpretation? • If “social assistance” for Dir. 2004/38 only removal from the territory or denial of benefit if residence “tolerated” (ECJ C- 456/02, Trojani)? • Different opinions of MS/EC/academic world (trESS Think Tank report 2008 Bernhard Spiegel
  • 18. Minimum benefits – status quo • Reactions in Austria: • Enforced control mechanism to check “residence” in AT • Minimum pension only in case of “legal” residence in AT • Top up to minimum pension means social assistance under the AT residence law • Reactions in the EU: • Initiative of 13 ministers for social affairs during meeting of Council (17.6.2011) • Demanding: immediate start of work on changes of legal framework • Infraction procedure (UK – habitual residence e.g. for income support or state pension credit) Bernhard Spiegel
  • 19. Association Agreements • Council has decided on Decisions • Algeria, Marocco, Tunesia, Israel, FYROM und Croatia • Many effects? • Equal treatment – already many obligations under ECHR (case Gaygusuz) • Same coordination as under Reg. 1231/2010 • What applies to DK? Legal base Art. 79 TFEU) • Problem Turkey– ECJ C-485/07, Akdas • Export non-contributory benefits listed in Annex IIa of Reg. 1408/71 • Perfect example how problems are made in Europe: • Legislation is not clear • Rapid development of the legislation • European legislator does not react Bernhard Spiegel
  • 20. Mobility of 3rd country citizens Many different legal acts (no problem for DK?) • Dir. 2003/109/EG status of 3rd country nationals who are long- term residents (equal treatment after 5 years of legal residence) • Dir. 2005/71/EG admitting 3rd country nationals for the purposes of scientific research (equal treatment – family benefits for AT + DE excluded?) • Dir. 2009/50/EG 3rd country nationals for the purposes of highly qualified employment („blue card“) (equal treatment – family benefits for At + DE excluded?) • („single permit“) • Saisoniers • Intercorporate Transferees • …. etc. • Problem always equal treatment + export of pensions – National autonomy?, does community law contain already obligations?, ECHR etc. Bernhard Spiegel
  • 21. Short summary • AT has many experiences with the ECJ • More clarity but more questions than answers • It is getting more complex • Danger: MS apply EU-rules differently • Questions of coordination of social security are becoming more and more political • There is still a lot to do! Thank you for your attention! Bernhard Spiegel