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WebRTC Standards Q&A
Amir Zmora
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Dan Burnett
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IP address privacy revisited
We have discussed this before
• July 2016
• https://www.crowdcast.io/e/webrtcstandards6/
• The problem: ICE returns addresses at which your browser can be reached
• Local Address – useful for testing and local-network media
• can reveal internal network structure
• can be used for fingerprinting
• Public Address – needed for everything else
• any unencrypted path to a STUN server provides an address
• all such addresses are available to all applications in all browsers
• this is a problem for VPN users if not all traffic goes over the VPN (the so-called'
Recommended behavior at that time
• Recommended default behavior for the "drive-by web":
• Browser will identify the default route (the route used by normal HTTP traffic)
• It will use only that route for STUN traffic
• It will only reveal the local address associated with that route/interface
• Recommended behavior once camera & mic permission have been given:
• WebRTC will bind to and use all available addresses, all routes
• This will reveal everything
• In short, giving camera and mic access also gives full IP address access
Behavior options today
• https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handling-09
• Mode 1 – reveal all IP addresses ('after permission given')
• Mode 2 – reveal only default route and associated local addresses ('drive-by web')
• Mode 3 – reveal only default route
• Mode 4 – force proxy
A concern with mode 2
• Raised at the last IETF meeting: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/102/materials/slides-
102-rtcweb-ip-handling-00
• Some local IPs still give away too much network config or fingerprinting info
• Apparently too many web pages are still making suspicious use of WebRTC
• Safari has only been giving out IP addresses already known to the web page, i.e. no local
addresses
• … but this has broken various games and file transfer apps
A better solution for local addresses is needed
• At the IETF meeting the following was proposed:
• Instead of giving out local IPv4 addresses, give out mDNS addresses.
Status
• RTCWEB Working Group in IETF agreed to adopt the doc to work on
• But no new draft exists yet
• And plenty of concerns were raised during the meeting
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Joining WebRTC Standards: Jan-Ivar Bruaroey
Many thanks to Dan Burnett for his work over the last
3 years
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WebRTC Standards & Implementation Q&A - IP address privacy revisited

  • 1. WebRTC Standards Q&A Amir Zmora TheNewDialTone Dan Burnett StandardsPlay
  • 2. Watch video recording of this session http://ccst.io/e/webrtcstandards27
  • 3. Session sponsored by WebRTC.ventures is a custom design and development shop dedicated to building WebRTC based applications for web and mobile. We have built end-to-end broadcast solutions for events and entertainment clients, telehealth solutions for multiple clients, live support tools, as well as communication tools for a variety of other applications. WebRTC.ventures is a recognized development partner of TokBox and has also built native WebRTC solutions
  • 6. About Us • Amir Zmora • Dan Burnett
  • 7. IP address privacy revisited
  • 8. We have discussed this before • July 2016 • https://www.crowdcast.io/e/webrtcstandards6/ • The problem: ICE returns addresses at which your browser can be reached • Local Address – useful for testing and local-network media • can reveal internal network structure • can be used for fingerprinting • Public Address – needed for everything else • any unencrypted path to a STUN server provides an address • all such addresses are available to all applications in all browsers • this is a problem for VPN users if not all traffic goes over the VPN (the so-called'
  • 9. Recommended behavior at that time • Recommended default behavior for the "drive-by web": • Browser will identify the default route (the route used by normal HTTP traffic) • It will use only that route for STUN traffic • It will only reveal the local address associated with that route/interface • Recommended behavior once camera & mic permission have been given: • WebRTC will bind to and use all available addresses, all routes • This will reveal everything • In short, giving camera and mic access also gives full IP address access
  • 10. Behavior options today • https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handling-09 • Mode 1 – reveal all IP addresses ('after permission given') • Mode 2 – reveal only default route and associated local addresses ('drive-by web') • Mode 3 – reveal only default route • Mode 4 – force proxy
  • 11. A concern with mode 2 • Raised at the last IETF meeting: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/102/materials/slides- 102-rtcweb-ip-handling-00 • Some local IPs still give away too much network config or fingerprinting info • Apparently too many web pages are still making suspicious use of WebRTC • Safari has only been giving out IP addresses already known to the web page, i.e. no local addresses • … but this has broken various games and file transfer apps
  • 12. A better solution for local addresses is needed • At the IETF meeting the following was proposed: • Instead of giving out local IPv4 addresses, give out mDNS addresses.
  • 13. Status • RTCWEB Working Group in IETF agreed to adopt the doc to work on • But no new draft exists yet • And plenty of concerns were raised during the meeting
  • 14. ?
  • 15. Joining WebRTC Standards: Jan-Ivar Bruaroey
  • 16. Many thanks to Dan Burnett for his work over the last 3 years
  • 18. WebRTC Standards & Implementation Q&A Amir Zmora TheNewDialTone Dan Burnett StandardsPlay