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“How To Talk to Your Teenager”
The Psychiatry Behind What Makes Teens Act Out

                          Desiderio Pina, MD, MPH
                                     Chief, Medical Staff
                                      Chief, Psychiatry
                           Adjunct Associate Clinical Professor,
                                   University of Notre Dame
                               Associate Clinical Professor,
                             Indiana University, School of Medicine

                                 September 16, 2010
                                       6:00 pm - 7:30 pm
What is Madison Center?


With its original roots established in 1949 --

Madison Center is a not for-profit organization that

provides specialty behavioral medicine services in

St. Joseph and surrounding counties in northern

Indiana and southwestern Michigan.
Who am I?
   I am a son (and was once a teenager - the wife might say I still am)
   I am a dad and a step-dad (raised/raising 6 kids)
   I am a husband
   I am a veteran (Operations Enduring & Iraqi Freedom)
   I am a public health specialist
   I am a physician/medical doctor
   I am a physician-executive
     –   a medical doctor who has experience & training in administration
   I am a psychiatrist
     –   a physician whose medical specialty is the study of the brain & behavior
     –   and illnesses that affect & change the brain & behavior
   I am a teacher/lecturer at the medical school (IU-SOM-SB) and the
    university (ND) and have been a researcher
   I am the new chief doc at here at Madison Center
What are we here to ‘talk’ about
       The Good... The Bad… & The Ugly

       So, What’s “normal” anyway?

       Teens… Can’t live with ‘em….

       So, what’s a “teen” anyway?

       Vat two doo?

4      What should you NOT do
Hey...Check this out...

  “Your heart, lungs, kidneys and digestive tract
  keep you alive.

  But your brain is where YOU live.”

                        - Michael C. Miller, MD
                               Editor in Chief,
                   Harvard Mental Health Letter
A sign of the…. TIME


   THE GOOD



THE BAD
                       THE UGLY
How about this...


 “All mental processes, even the most
 complex psychological processes, derive
 from operations of the brain”
                                   Eric Kandel,
                           Nobel-Prize winning
                     Psychiatrist/Neuroscientist
                             (got the prize for discovering
                            how long term memory works)
Normal?




8
   But my kid is SPECIAL/DIFFERENT doc!




9
Some Kids are just REALLY different




10
Ever see this guy’s movie?


      “There  is only one cardinal rule:
       One must always listen to the
       patient. “
                                          — Oliver Sacks
        Neurologist/Neuroscientist/Author/Screenwriter
      (Author of ‘Awakenings’ -later turned into a movie)
          Quoted by Walter Clemons, 'Listening to the Lost',
                                Newsweek (20 Aug 1984).
11
“Uhhh...huh-hu-huh. he said.. ‘Oh - mee - bahh’... That sounds cool, huh-hu-huh”




   “The mind arises from an array of
   mindlessness, billions of linked cells, each
   one alone no smarter than an amoeba.”

                                     - Michael C. Miller, MD
                                            Editor in Chief,
                                Harvard Mental Health Letter
 Amoeba?…    Teenagers...Ah…..

           I SEE WHERE YOUR GOING NOW!




13
Teenagers:
     (mounds of gelatinous flesh, moving, eating, pooping, resting and trying to replicate)




14
but...These are Teenagers Too




15
How do we get ‘Here’ from ‘There’




16
How do we get...


                       HERE

                  Complex behavior,
              choreographed, purposeful
              movement that some would
            consider culture, beautiful, ugly,
                 obscene, modern, art,
           embarrassing, dance, expression,
                    communication
17
From ‘There’:
                    FIGURE 16
        CEREBRAL HEMISPHERES VI - MEDIAL VIEW




                                                ~ 3 lbs of gelatinous/
                                                       fatty flesh
                                                  (remember- with
                                                 cells individually no
                                                   smarter than an
                                                        amoeba)



18
19
Current theories
         are that WE get HERE from THERE do we
                           get ‘Here’ from ‘There’




     ?


20
The Good, The Bad & The Ugly

      How       to understand it all:
      –   Genetics
               – Mom, Dad and both (ie empathy vs morality)
      –   Anatomy/Physiology
      –   (Neuro)Development
                  (why don't babies hold their head up @ birth?)
                     Pregnancy, birth (what went right & what didn't)
                     Milestones
                     What is age-appropriate and what isn't
      –   Environment
                     Home, bed, school, position on the Socioeconomic
                      scale and birth order?
                       (1st, 2nd, 3rd), adopted? (or not), immigrant? (or not),
                       brain injuries? Our cultural beliefs?
      –   Nutrition
                     maternal (prior to conception), fetal, infant, current

21
22
LAPSE OF ATTENTION - by the way...
                          What do...
        ‘Strong Women’

        An American Psychologist

        The polygraph test

        And Comic Books
                    Have in common?
23          (YELL IT OUT IT IF YOU KNOW THE ANSWER)
24
NOW THAT I HAVE YOUR ATTENTION AGAIN...AND THE SOME ARE MORE AWAKE...



     SOME common problems

        Sleep

        Nutrition

        Moodiness/

         –   Mood Instability/Poor Impulse Control

        Drama
25
Sleep

 During Sleep our brains engage in:

  – Data analysis

  – Consolidation of the day’s events/stimuli (DATA)

  – Strengthening of memories

  – SOLVING PROBLEMS
Hey did you now…

 In 1865 Dr Friedrich Kekulé had a strange dream:
  – He imagined a Ouroboros or Uroborus (a snake biting its
    own tail
The Ouroboros or Uroborus[1] is an ancient symbol depicting a

serpent or dragon swallowing its own tail and forming a

circle.The Ouroboros often represents self-reflexivity or

cyclicality, especially in the sense of something constantly re-

creating itself, the eternal return, and other things perceived as

cycles that begin anew as soon as they end.
29
Eating Habits

  Skipping Meals!?
        No gas in tank ...aint gonna go far
                (especially in a fast revving ferrari)

  What the heck is that your eating!?
         (Salami, peanutbutter, marshmello, cheezit milkshake?!)
         Did your mom make that for you? Can I have some?

 What do you mean your hungry...it’s 330 in
 the morning!? Why are you making another milkshake?
 Can I have some? Don’t tell your mother.
 What do you mean your NOT hungry...you
 have to eat dinner with the family!?
Moodiness

 Moodiness ≠ Depression
 Moodiness ≠ Psychosis
 Moodiness ≠ Drugs
 Moodiness ≠ Menarche
      (about to start her monthly visitor? NO! DAD?!
      Yuck...MOM, dad is talking crazy talk again)
 Moodiness ≠ ADD/ADHD
 Moodiness ≠ Bad/evil/possessed
 Moodiness = need for investigation/discussion
      (by supervising adult)
DRAMA
        Genetics (apple..falling...tree?)
        Neurobiology and anatomical development
        Group/Social Dynamics

        ALL = MATURITY
         –   Give choices
         –   ENABLE responsibility
         –   HOLD accountable for actions
         –   Recognize individuality, resiliance, self-reliance &
             confidence
32       –   BE CONSISTANT
The Frontal Lobes...ooh... scary




33
Do’s & Dont’s: GIRLS
        Model and promote expression of feelings in appropriate
         ways (all or nothing; Cliques) and relationships
        MOMS (& dads): your daughters are NOT your
         girlfriends...avoid ruminating about worries and excessive
         sharing...keep your boundaries
        Avoid sending messages that imply boys can be more
         trusted with independence than girls
        Try and understand the dynamics of arguments/fights
         between moms/daughters as a teen’s attempt to gain
         validation “I am not you mom...I am different”
        Nurturing time from fathers is paramount - not just activity
         time (in-spite of awkwardness, reluctance)
34      Provide appropriate outlets (JOB, sports)
Do’s & Dont’s: BOYS
        Model and promote expression of feelings in
         appropriate ways - including relationships
        Limit images (games, movies) of violence,
         aggression, and degrading portrayals of women
        Don’t criticize or make fun for crying or showing
         emotion or being vulnerable
        Nurturing time from fathers is paramount (ALSO)-
         not just activity time
        Accept rambunctiousness but discourage hyper-
         masculinity and encourage the development of
         empathy and therefore (hopefully) later morality
35      Provide appropriate outlets (JOB, sports)
Summary
        Genetics + Environment = NOT destiny
        Just DO IT (DO SOMETHING) --->
         –   U R the PARENT… NIKE! (“just do it”)
        Take advantage of your (local) resources
         –   Enlist the whole family (friends/clergy/teachers etc)
         –   Embrace individuality but with DEMAND/REQUIRE
             accountability
         –   Look to specialists and don’t let old stigmas stop you
             from seeking professional help/an opinion when
36           needed

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The Psychiatry Of Why Teens Act Out

  • 1. “How To Talk to Your Teenager” The Psychiatry Behind What Makes Teens Act Out Desiderio Pina, MD, MPH Chief, Medical Staff Chief, Psychiatry Adjunct Associate Clinical Professor, University of Notre Dame Associate Clinical Professor, Indiana University, School of Medicine September 16, 2010 6:00 pm - 7:30 pm
  • 2. What is Madison Center? With its original roots established in 1949 -- Madison Center is a not for-profit organization that provides specialty behavioral medicine services in St. Joseph and surrounding counties in northern Indiana and southwestern Michigan.
  • 3. Who am I?  I am a son (and was once a teenager - the wife might say I still am)  I am a dad and a step-dad (raised/raising 6 kids)  I am a husband  I am a veteran (Operations Enduring & Iraqi Freedom)  I am a public health specialist  I am a physician/medical doctor  I am a physician-executive – a medical doctor who has experience & training in administration  I am a psychiatrist – a physician whose medical specialty is the study of the brain & behavior – and illnesses that affect & change the brain & behavior  I am a teacher/lecturer at the medical school (IU-SOM-SB) and the university (ND) and have been a researcher  I am the new chief doc at here at Madison Center
  • 4. What are we here to ‘talk’ about  The Good... The Bad… & The Ugly  So, What’s “normal” anyway?  Teens… Can’t live with ‘em….  So, what’s a “teen” anyway?  Vat two doo? 4  What should you NOT do
  • 5. Hey...Check this out... “Your heart, lungs, kidneys and digestive tract keep you alive. But your brain is where YOU live.” - Michael C. Miller, MD Editor in Chief, Harvard Mental Health Letter
  • 6. A sign of the…. TIME THE GOOD THE BAD THE UGLY
  • 7. How about this... “All mental processes, even the most complex psychological processes, derive from operations of the brain” Eric Kandel, Nobel-Prize winning Psychiatrist/Neuroscientist (got the prize for discovering how long term memory works)
  • 9. But my kid is SPECIAL/DIFFERENT doc! 9
  • 10. Some Kids are just REALLY different 10
  • 11. Ever see this guy’s movie?  “There is only one cardinal rule: One must always listen to the patient. “ — Oliver Sacks Neurologist/Neuroscientist/Author/Screenwriter (Author of ‘Awakenings’ -later turned into a movie) Quoted by Walter Clemons, 'Listening to the Lost', Newsweek (20 Aug 1984). 11
  • 12. “Uhhh...huh-hu-huh. he said.. ‘Oh - mee - bahh’... That sounds cool, huh-hu-huh” “The mind arises from an array of mindlessness, billions of linked cells, each one alone no smarter than an amoeba.” - Michael C. Miller, MD Editor in Chief, Harvard Mental Health Letter
  • 13.  Amoeba?… Teenagers...Ah….. I SEE WHERE YOUR GOING NOW! 13
  • 14. Teenagers: (mounds of gelatinous flesh, moving, eating, pooping, resting and trying to replicate) 14
  • 16. How do we get ‘Here’ from ‘There’ 16
  • 17. How do we get... HERE Complex behavior, choreographed, purposeful movement that some would consider culture, beautiful, ugly, obscene, modern, art, embarrassing, dance, expression, communication 17
  • 18. From ‘There’: FIGURE 16 CEREBRAL HEMISPHERES VI - MEDIAL VIEW ~ 3 lbs of gelatinous/ fatty flesh (remember- with cells individually no smarter than an amoeba) 18
  • 19. 19
  • 20. Current theories are that WE get HERE from THERE do we get ‘Here’ from ‘There’ ? 20
  • 21. The Good, The Bad & The Ugly  How to understand it all: – Genetics – Mom, Dad and both (ie empathy vs morality) – Anatomy/Physiology – (Neuro)Development (why don't babies hold their head up @ birth?)  Pregnancy, birth (what went right & what didn't)  Milestones  What is age-appropriate and what isn't – Environment  Home, bed, school, position on the Socioeconomic scale and birth order? (1st, 2nd, 3rd), adopted? (or not), immigrant? (or not), brain injuries? Our cultural beliefs? – Nutrition  maternal (prior to conception), fetal, infant, current 21
  • 22. 22
  • 23. LAPSE OF ATTENTION - by the way... What do...  ‘Strong Women’  An American Psychologist  The polygraph test  And Comic Books Have in common? 23 (YELL IT OUT IT IF YOU KNOW THE ANSWER)
  • 24. 24
  • 25. NOW THAT I HAVE YOUR ATTENTION AGAIN...AND THE SOME ARE MORE AWAKE... SOME common problems  Sleep  Nutrition  Moodiness/ – Mood Instability/Poor Impulse Control  Drama 25
  • 26. Sleep During Sleep our brains engage in: – Data analysis – Consolidation of the day’s events/stimuli (DATA) – Strengthening of memories – SOLVING PROBLEMS
  • 27. Hey did you now… In 1865 Dr Friedrich Kekulé had a strange dream: – He imagined a Ouroboros or Uroborus (a snake biting its own tail
  • 28. The Ouroboros or Uroborus[1] is an ancient symbol depicting a serpent or dragon swallowing its own tail and forming a circle.The Ouroboros often represents self-reflexivity or cyclicality, especially in the sense of something constantly re- creating itself, the eternal return, and other things perceived as cycles that begin anew as soon as they end.
  • 29. 29
  • 30. Eating Habits Skipping Meals!? No gas in tank ...aint gonna go far (especially in a fast revving ferrari) What the heck is that your eating!? (Salami, peanutbutter, marshmello, cheezit milkshake?!) Did your mom make that for you? Can I have some? What do you mean your hungry...it’s 330 in the morning!? Why are you making another milkshake? Can I have some? Don’t tell your mother. What do you mean your NOT hungry...you have to eat dinner with the family!?
  • 31. Moodiness Moodiness ≠ Depression Moodiness ≠ Psychosis Moodiness ≠ Drugs Moodiness ≠ Menarche (about to start her monthly visitor? NO! DAD?! Yuck...MOM, dad is talking crazy talk again) Moodiness ≠ ADD/ADHD Moodiness ≠ Bad/evil/possessed Moodiness = need for investigation/discussion (by supervising adult)
  • 32. DRAMA  Genetics (apple..falling...tree?)  Neurobiology and anatomical development  Group/Social Dynamics  ALL = MATURITY – Give choices – ENABLE responsibility – HOLD accountable for actions – Recognize individuality, resiliance, self-reliance & confidence 32 – BE CONSISTANT
  • 34. Do’s & Dont’s: GIRLS  Model and promote expression of feelings in appropriate ways (all or nothing; Cliques) and relationships  MOMS (& dads): your daughters are NOT your girlfriends...avoid ruminating about worries and excessive sharing...keep your boundaries  Avoid sending messages that imply boys can be more trusted with independence than girls  Try and understand the dynamics of arguments/fights between moms/daughters as a teen’s attempt to gain validation “I am not you mom...I am different”  Nurturing time from fathers is paramount - not just activity time (in-spite of awkwardness, reluctance) 34  Provide appropriate outlets (JOB, sports)
  • 35. Do’s & Dont’s: BOYS  Model and promote expression of feelings in appropriate ways - including relationships  Limit images (games, movies) of violence, aggression, and degrading portrayals of women  Don’t criticize or make fun for crying or showing emotion or being vulnerable  Nurturing time from fathers is paramount (ALSO)- not just activity time  Accept rambunctiousness but discourage hyper- masculinity and encourage the development of empathy and therefore (hopefully) later morality 35  Provide appropriate outlets (JOB, sports)
  • 36. Summary  Genetics + Environment = NOT destiny  Just DO IT (DO SOMETHING) ---> – U R the PARENT… NIKE! (“just do it”)  Take advantage of your (local) resources – Enlist the whole family (friends/clergy/teachers etc) – Embrace individuality but with DEMAND/REQUIRE accountability – Look to specialists and don’t let old stigmas stop you from seeking professional help/an opinion when 36 needed