The Milne School,
   1845-1977

              By
       Geoff Williams
      University Archivist
Amended by Mike Ungerman ('59) for Milne Alumni Reunion 2012
Experimental/Model School
       1845-1890
           The Experimental/Model School was
           founded in 1845 as the “State
           Normal School” right below the state
           capitol building on State Street.”
           What would become the Milne
           School in 1915 combined subject
           matter education and practice
           teaching in grades 1-8.
           Initially, 45 students were enrolled
           for $20 a year for 26 students and
           21 free seats.
Experimental/Model School
       1845-1890
                   David Page was the first
                   principal.
                   The names Experimental
                   School and Model School were
                   used interchangeably during the
                   19th century.
                   Page Hall is named for David
                   Page.


 Principal David
 Page, 1844-1848
First Permanent Home



      Faculty, ca. 1850

The first permanent home was in 1849 at Lodge and Howard Streets.
See the Milne mural above. The early faculty is shown next to it. The
arrow points to William Phelps, the first principal from 1845-1852.
The Experimental School was founded to give a place for Normal
School students to do their practice (experimental) teaching for
grades 1-8. High School teachers were not trained until the 1890s.
Experimental/Model School



   Faculty, ca. 1850




In the Floor plan for the Lodge &    Initially 1st through 8th grades were
Howard Street building, note the     later divided into a primary and
separate boys & girls cloak rooms;   intermediary department.
also the 'experimental school
chairs.'
Rapid Expansion




In 1883, Kindergarten (photo right) was introduced with a move to the Willet
Street Building (photo left). In 1890, a High School Department was added
to existing Kindergarten, Primary and Intermediary Departments. 200
students in practice school. The Auditorium was upstairs in the building.
High School Expansion




William J. Milne, 1889-1914,   William Jones, 1890-1904,
President, NY State Normal     first principal of the Model
College, presided over the     High School responsible for
expansion of high school       teacher training.
curriculum.
Rise of Student Life




1890: Quintillian Society for women was
formed.
Rise of Student Life



        1904: The Crimson and White
        newspaper first published
Rise of Student Life
1895: Adelphoi
Society for men
formed.

These are the
earliest minutes
(1902) we have
for the Adelphoi
literary society.
Willet Street Building Burns

                      1906: The Willet
                      Street building
                      burned forcing a
                      move to new
                      quarters.
Move to Western Avenue




                1909: The Normal College moved to
                Western Avenue to Draper Hall after the
                Willet Street Building burned. The Practice
      John      School was restricted to High School until
   M.Sayles,    1915 when Junior High was added.
   Principal,   1915: High School renamed Milne School
   1907-1939    after William Milne's death in 1914
Milne School Staff 1940




Principal Robert Fredericks (back row, 4 th from left) and staff
                          in 1940
Milne Building and Athletics


Feb 1929: “Building incomplete,
dusty, noisy, and full of shocks, but
all our own.”
Junior High reintroduced.
Some room for athletics in Page
Gym and on the front lawn.
Milne Building and Athletics




  Basketball and baseball were the major
  sports... Where did you play baseball?
Academics and Curriculum




The Milne School was extremely                70 students per class, small class sizes,
desirable from the start. Practice teachers   no tracking of students, lots of
conduct lessons. Critic / supervisor          homework according to Ted Fossieck.
teachers monitor and step in when
needed.
Academics & Curriculum




A number of 1925 grads went to good colleges: Antioch, Colgate, R.P.I.,
Russell Sage, and Syracuse from this Crimson & White yearbook page.
Academics and Curriculum
                First practice school in
                NY, pioneered audio-
                lingual approach to
                teaching foreign
                languages.
                One of the first schools
                to give advanced
                placement courses and
                early admittance
                courses.
                1940s: student
                teachers start teaching
                in suburban schools.
Academics and Curriculum


1950s: Up to half of student
teachers instruct at
suburban schools.
1966: Milne becomes a
distant school when SUNYA
moves to the Uptown
Campus; plans to build a
Milne School near
Stuyvesant Plaza were
never carried out.
Milne High, 1948-1972




Theodore Fossieck, Principal, 1948-1972
Milne High, 1940-1972
1940: Money appropriated
to make a documentary
film about Milne life (where
is it?)
{Note: Jan Welt('60) made
a student film circa
1958/9; anyone have a
copy?}




                               1961: Milne admissions
                               opened up.
Milne High, 1940-1972




“Duck and Tuck”...Do you
remember nuclear
defense?
1966 SUNY Albany
moves to Uptown
Campus.
The Final Years, 1965-1977


                1960s: Early plans to
                move Milne to Uptown
                Campus
The Final Years, 1965-1977



Bricks & Ivy,
1965

Mid-1960s: Changing awareness of
the outside world in Bricks & Ivy,
where students use first names. Age of
Aquarius sign in the door to Page.
The Final Years, 1965-1977


                                                   Times
                                                   Union
                                                    1972




    1970s: New York State economy in a tailspin.
The Final Years, 1965-1977

1977: Milne
closes...
Dramatic change in
the background of
students. Since
1961, students
chosen from all
categories of
applicants, no
longer just those
from the middle
class.                    Bricks & Ivy 1977

The Milne School: 1845-1977

  • 1.
    The Milne School, 1845-1977 By Geoff Williams University Archivist Amended by Mike Ungerman ('59) for Milne Alumni Reunion 2012
  • 2.
    Experimental/Model School 1845-1890 The Experimental/Model School was founded in 1845 as the “State Normal School” right below the state capitol building on State Street.” What would become the Milne School in 1915 combined subject matter education and practice teaching in grades 1-8. Initially, 45 students were enrolled for $20 a year for 26 students and 21 free seats.
  • 3.
    Experimental/Model School 1845-1890 David Page was the first principal. The names Experimental School and Model School were used interchangeably during the 19th century. Page Hall is named for David Page. Principal David Page, 1844-1848
  • 4.
    First Permanent Home Faculty, ca. 1850 The first permanent home was in 1849 at Lodge and Howard Streets. See the Milne mural above. The early faculty is shown next to it. The arrow points to William Phelps, the first principal from 1845-1852. The Experimental School was founded to give a place for Normal School students to do their practice (experimental) teaching for grades 1-8. High School teachers were not trained until the 1890s.
  • 5.
    Experimental/Model School Faculty, ca. 1850 In the Floor plan for the Lodge & Initially 1st through 8th grades were Howard Street building, note the later divided into a primary and separate boys & girls cloak rooms; intermediary department. also the 'experimental school chairs.'
  • 6.
    Rapid Expansion In 1883,Kindergarten (photo right) was introduced with a move to the Willet Street Building (photo left). In 1890, a High School Department was added to existing Kindergarten, Primary and Intermediary Departments. 200 students in practice school. The Auditorium was upstairs in the building.
  • 7.
    High School Expansion WilliamJ. Milne, 1889-1914, William Jones, 1890-1904, President, NY State Normal first principal of the Model College, presided over the High School responsible for expansion of high school teacher training. curriculum.
  • 8.
    Rise of StudentLife 1890: Quintillian Society for women was formed.
  • 9.
    Rise of StudentLife 1904: The Crimson and White newspaper first published
  • 10.
    Rise of StudentLife 1895: Adelphoi Society for men formed. These are the earliest minutes (1902) we have for the Adelphoi literary society.
  • 11.
    Willet Street BuildingBurns 1906: The Willet Street building burned forcing a move to new quarters.
  • 12.
    Move to WesternAvenue 1909: The Normal College moved to Western Avenue to Draper Hall after the Willet Street Building burned. The Practice John School was restricted to High School until M.Sayles, 1915 when Junior High was added. Principal, 1915: High School renamed Milne School 1907-1939 after William Milne's death in 1914
  • 13.
    Milne School Staff1940 Principal Robert Fredericks (back row, 4 th from left) and staff in 1940
  • 14.
    Milne Building andAthletics Feb 1929: “Building incomplete, dusty, noisy, and full of shocks, but all our own.” Junior High reintroduced. Some room for athletics in Page Gym and on the front lawn.
  • 15.
    Milne Building andAthletics Basketball and baseball were the major sports... Where did you play baseball?
  • 16.
    Academics and Curriculum TheMilne School was extremely 70 students per class, small class sizes, desirable from the start. Practice teachers no tracking of students, lots of conduct lessons. Critic / supervisor homework according to Ted Fossieck. teachers monitor and step in when needed.
  • 17.
    Academics & Curriculum Anumber of 1925 grads went to good colleges: Antioch, Colgate, R.P.I., Russell Sage, and Syracuse from this Crimson & White yearbook page.
  • 18.
    Academics and Curriculum First practice school in NY, pioneered audio- lingual approach to teaching foreign languages. One of the first schools to give advanced placement courses and early admittance courses. 1940s: student teachers start teaching in suburban schools.
  • 19.
    Academics and Curriculum 1950s:Up to half of student teachers instruct at suburban schools. 1966: Milne becomes a distant school when SUNYA moves to the Uptown Campus; plans to build a Milne School near Stuyvesant Plaza were never carried out.
  • 20.
    Milne High, 1948-1972 TheodoreFossieck, Principal, 1948-1972
  • 21.
    Milne High, 1940-1972 1940:Money appropriated to make a documentary film about Milne life (where is it?) {Note: Jan Welt('60) made a student film circa 1958/9; anyone have a copy?} 1961: Milne admissions opened up.
  • 22.
    Milne High, 1940-1972 “Duckand Tuck”...Do you remember nuclear defense? 1966 SUNY Albany moves to Uptown Campus.
  • 23.
    The Final Years,1965-1977 1960s: Early plans to move Milne to Uptown Campus
  • 24.
    The Final Years,1965-1977 Bricks & Ivy, 1965 Mid-1960s: Changing awareness of the outside world in Bricks & Ivy, where students use first names. Age of Aquarius sign in the door to Page.
  • 25.
    The Final Years,1965-1977 Times Union 1972 1970s: New York State economy in a tailspin.
  • 26.
    The Final Years,1965-1977 1977: Milne closes... Dramatic change in the background of students. Since 1961, students chosen from all categories of applicants, no longer just those from the middle class. Bricks & Ivy 1977

Editor's Notes

  • #3 Experimental Department (Image 1) New York State Normal School & David Page, State Street Building Pages Normal School combined subject matter education & practice teaching (Image 2) William Phelps, first principal, 1845-1852, taught 5,000 students in his career at 3 normal schools, Experimental Department a desirable school for children from start, Schuyler children attended in 1850s. Opened May 1845, 45 students, space for 26 fee paying children ages 6 – 15, 21 free seats. Co-educational from start. (photo of Schuyler) Admissions charged, $20.00 per year
  • #4 Experimental Department (Image 1) New York State Normal School & David Page, State Street Building Pages Normal School combined subject matter education & practice teaching (Image 2) William Phelps, first principal, 1845-1852, taught 5,000 students in his career at 3 normal schools, Experimental Department a desirable school for children from start, Schuyler children attended in 1850s. Opened May 1845, 45 students, space for 26 fee paying children ages 6 – 15, 21 free seats. Co-educational from start. (photo of Schuyler) Admissions charged, $20.00 per year