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KEVIN W. HARDIN CMB, CMC, CMPS
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         What is the difference between a Realtor doing Short Sales or a Short Sale Negotiator?

         On February 1st 2011 Arizona Department of Financial Institutions released its Broker/Manager
         Risk Management Update; Special Edition January 2011. In this Update, DRE addressed the
         topic of Short Sale Negotiator Regulations.

         The first issue in the Update was:


                Is a real estate broker/salesperson acting outside the scope of their real estate
                license by assisting a seller in negotiations with the lender to facilitate a short
                sale?

                No. The scope of a real estate license encompasses assisting in the “negotiation of
                any transaction calculated or intended to result in the sale . . . of real estate.”
                A.R.S. § 32-2101(48)(j).

         Now, at first read this would seem to address everyone’s question as to whether Real Estate
         Agents can negotiate a Short Sale. The problem is, however, what is the definition of
         “assisting”? Does that mean that you can advise and guide the homeowner in speaking with their
         lender? It seems safe to say that “assist” might mean that. But what if you are collecting all
         documents from the homeowner to submit to their lenders? What if you are directly negotiating
         with the homeowner’s lenders to securing a release of the liens and perhaps a release of the
         remaining deficiency balance on the loans? When does working with a homeowner leave
         “assisting” and move to “negotiation”? And, at what point does assistance become legal
         representation?


         The next issue addressed was compensation:


                May a real estate broker/salesperson receive additional compensation for
                negotiating a short sale?

                No. The Arizona Attorney General’s office (“AG”) has opined that a real estate
                licensee may not receive additional compensation from any source (seller, buyer,
                lender or otherwise) for negotiating a short sale, unless the real estate licensee is
                also licensed as a loan originator by the Arizona Department of Financial
                Institutions (“DFI”) and the requirements of A.R.S. § 32-2155(C) are met .[1] The
                AG indicates that the general rule is that additional compensation requires an
                additional license. If a real estate broker/salesperson assists the seller in
                negotiating with the lender to accept the short sale price as a customer service and
                does not charge or expect additional compensation (including an increased



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                commission), the real estate broker/salesperson does not need a separate loan
                originator license from the DFI.

         Now, this seems pretty clear on it’s face. But, exactly what does “additional compensation”
         mean. If you are an individual real estate agent and secure a listing for the sale of residential
         home and with no expectation of further compensation for “assisting” the homeowner in that
         short sale, it would seem that a real estate agent would need no further licensure. But, what if
         you are not the listing agent? What if you are a licensed real estate agent who is engaged by the
         actual listing agent to negotiate on behalf of the homeowner? The only service you are providing
         is the actual negotiation of the short sale with the expectation of compensation by way of real
         estate commission for that service. While it is normal and customary for a co-listing agent of a
         property to receive some form of referral commission, would the sharing of the commission for
         the “negotiation” of the short sale be considered as “(an increased commission)” as prohibited by
         the AG? Since the Third Party Negotiator is performing none of the responsibilities ordinarily
         relating to the listing and sale of the property, the third party negotiator falls outside of that
         exemption. On this issue, AZ DRE went on to clarify.

                May a real estate broker/salesperson without a loan originator license be
                compensated as a third-party short sale negotiator in a transaction?

                No. A real estate licensee may not receive compensation for negotiating a short
                sale, unless the real estate licensee is also licensed as a loan originator by the DFI.

         Given the foregoing answer, it would seem clear that AZ DRE has answered the previous
         question with clarity. Namely, a real estate broker/sales person who is negotiating a short sale as
         a third party (and not as a customer service) would in fact have to be licensed under AZ
         Department of Financial Institutions.

         In addition, DRE stated:

                Must a third-party short sale negotiator be licensed in Arizona to negotiate a
                short sale for compensation on behalf of an Arizona seller?

                Yes, a loan originator license issued by the DFI is required to be compensated as a
                short sale negotiator.

         Now, at first read it might seem that this has nothing to do with the real estate agent as
         previously explained. But, what if the real estate agent is part of a team? What if that agent on
         that team hires an unlicensed individual to make those negotiation phone calls for compensation
         on behalf of the licensee? This type of activity would clearly take that individual outside of the
         safe harbor for a real estate agent and would necessitate a DFI loan originator license for that
         employee. Even if it was determined that the licensee agent was in fact working within his
         license this would not confer onto the activities of the employee the same exemption.




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         After reading this statement, a real estate agent might determine that licensure is required and
         apply for licensure under Title 6 Chapter 9 as a loan originator. For a real estate agent to be a
         properly licensed loan originator it would then require that a real estate agent become an
         employee of a mortgage broker or banker? The next question and answer by DRE becomes
         increasingly problematic

                Are there any additional licensing restrictions that apply to FHA loans
                regulated by HUD?

                Yes. Loan originators must be employed by a licensed mortgage broker who is
                responsible for the supervision of the loan originator. Under HUD rules, a
                mortgage broker who handles FHA loans (“FHA mortgagee”) is prohibited from
                employing staff who are also employed in the real estate field. For further
                information about HUD's requirements, visit www.hud.gov.

         So, under the HUD rules, a HUD approved mortgagee is prohibited from employing staff
         who are also employed in the real estate field. This leaves only those mortgage brokers /
         bankers in AZ who do not offer FHA loans. In today’s real estate market and in view of
         current lending constraints, this leaves very few options.

         Last but not least:

                If a salesperson receives any fee in connection with a short sale, regardless
                of how the fee is described on the HUD-1 must the fee be paid through the
                employing broker?

                Yes. A.R.S. §32-2155(A) requires that a salesperson “accept employment and
                compensation as a licensee only from the legally licensed broker to whom the
                licensee is licensed.” Compensation is defined as “any fee, commission, salary,
                money or other valuable consideration for services rendered or to be rendered as
                well as the promise of consideration whether contingent or not.” A.R.S. §32-
                2101(16). Thus, a salesperson may not receive compensation as a licensee from
                any person or through any entity, including a licensee’s LLC, other than the
                employing broker to which the salesperson is licensed.

         So, how does this affect compensation to employees of licensed agents who might “assist” the
         seller in the negotiation of a short sale? How might this affect those licensed real estate agents
         “working” for attorneys and who might receive compensation for negotiating short sales under
         the façade of a law firm? How might this affect a corporate entity created by a licensed real
         estate agent to market for and negotiate short sales? The answer to these questions would seem
         obvious from DRE’s position statement that these forms of compensations are prohibited by
         A.R.S. §32-2101(16).




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                                                 Conclusion

         The DRE Update has provided clarity to many of the issues and questions facing Real Estate
         Agents in the area of Short Sales. What is now clear is that those agents who are engaged by
         another real estate agent, broker or even a homeowner to negotiate short sale and who receive
         compensation are in violation of ARS Section 32-2155 (C ) and are required to obtain a license
         from DFI. It is now equally clear that those third party negotiators that operate under the
         umbrella of an LLC or a brokerage also are in violation of ARS Section 32-2101(16). Finally, it
         is now clear that those Real Estate Agents that list and market a property and who only “assists”
         the seller as an accommodation with the negotiation with the lenders for no additional
         compensation is acting lawfully.

         What remains unclear is the definition of “assist” in the context of negotiating a short sale. Based
         upon the positions taken by DRE, DFI and the AG’s office, it seems reasonably clear that
         “assisting” a homeowner with the negotiation of a short sale would not include the direct and
         exclusive handling of the direct negotiations with the lenders. Certainly, as it pertains to the
         specific negotiations with a lender to obtain the release or extinguishment of deficiency balances,
         such negotiations would go well beyond mere “assistance” of a homeowner and would consist of
         representing a borrower on a disputed debt obligation.

         While some bright lines in the area of authority for Real Estate Agents in Short Sale transaction
         have now been established, there remain several areas of uncertainty that remain to be decided.
         What can be said is that Real Estate Agents should act prudently in determining the limits of
         their roles for a homeowner and eliminate potential violations of the statutory and regulatory
         requirements by avoiding the seeking of legal guidance.



         Kevin W. Hardin CMB, CMC, CMPS

         Neil W. Thomson, Esq.

         Thomson Law, PLC
         www.ThomsonLawPLC.com
         www.MortgageMediationGroup.com

         2701 E. Camelback Rd. Suite 150
         Phoenix, AZ 85016
         602-774-3757

         If you have any questions please call our firm at the number above. The Mortgage Mediation Group is a
         practice group of the Law Firm of Thomson Law, PLC. This group is focused on assisting homeowners
         facing a point today or in the future when they can no longer afford their mortgage or it no longer is
         feasible to pay AND owe more than their home is worth. Solutions can range from Mortgage Liability
         Review, Short Sale Review and Negotiation, Loan Modification, Lien Settlement, Foreclosure Defense,
         Deficiency Defense, Deed in Lieu and Bankruptcy (Chapter 7, 13, Lien Strip and Mortgage Cramdown).




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Short sale negotiation licensing

  • 1. KEVIN W. HARDIN CMB, CMC, CMPS KHardin@ThomsonLawPLC.com What is the difference between a Realtor doing Short Sales or a Short Sale Negotiator? On February 1st 2011 Arizona Department of Financial Institutions released its Broker/Manager Risk Management Update; Special Edition January 2011. In this Update, DRE addressed the topic of Short Sale Negotiator Regulations. The first issue in the Update was: Is a real estate broker/salesperson acting outside the scope of their real estate license by assisting a seller in negotiations with the lender to facilitate a short sale? No. The scope of a real estate license encompasses assisting in the “negotiation of any transaction calculated or intended to result in the sale . . . of real estate.” A.R.S. § 32-2101(48)(j). Now, at first read this would seem to address everyone’s question as to whether Real Estate Agents can negotiate a Short Sale. The problem is, however, what is the definition of “assisting”? Does that mean that you can advise and guide the homeowner in speaking with their lender? It seems safe to say that “assist” might mean that. But what if you are collecting all documents from the homeowner to submit to their lenders? What if you are directly negotiating with the homeowner’s lenders to securing a release of the liens and perhaps a release of the remaining deficiency balance on the loans? When does working with a homeowner leave “assisting” and move to “negotiation”? And, at what point does assistance become legal representation? The next issue addressed was compensation: May a real estate broker/salesperson receive additional compensation for negotiating a short sale? No. The Arizona Attorney General’s office (“AG”) has opined that a real estate licensee may not receive additional compensation from any source (seller, buyer, lender or otherwise) for negotiating a short sale, unless the real estate licensee is also licensed as a loan originator by the Arizona Department of Financial Institutions (“DFI”) and the requirements of A.R.S. § 32-2155(C) are met .[1] The AG indicates that the general rule is that additional compensation requires an additional license. If a real estate broker/salesperson assists the seller in negotiating with the lender to accept the short sale price as a customer service and does not charge or expect additional compensation (including an increased v.2010 602.774.3757 | 602.840.3290 Fax | 2701 East Camelback Road | Suite 150 | Phoenix, Arizona 85016 | www.ThomsonLawPLC.com
  • 2. FOR DISTRIBUTION JANUARY 15, 2011 PAGE 2 OF 4 commission), the real estate broker/salesperson does not need a separate loan originator license from the DFI. Now, this seems pretty clear on it’s face. But, exactly what does “additional compensation” mean. If you are an individual real estate agent and secure a listing for the sale of residential home and with no expectation of further compensation for “assisting” the homeowner in that short sale, it would seem that a real estate agent would need no further licensure. But, what if you are not the listing agent? What if you are a licensed real estate agent who is engaged by the actual listing agent to negotiate on behalf of the homeowner? The only service you are providing is the actual negotiation of the short sale with the expectation of compensation by way of real estate commission for that service. While it is normal and customary for a co-listing agent of a property to receive some form of referral commission, would the sharing of the commission for the “negotiation” of the short sale be considered as “(an increased commission)” as prohibited by the AG? Since the Third Party Negotiator is performing none of the responsibilities ordinarily relating to the listing and sale of the property, the third party negotiator falls outside of that exemption. On this issue, AZ DRE went on to clarify. May a real estate broker/salesperson without a loan originator license be compensated as a third-party short sale negotiator in a transaction? No. A real estate licensee may not receive compensation for negotiating a short sale, unless the real estate licensee is also licensed as a loan originator by the DFI. Given the foregoing answer, it would seem clear that AZ DRE has answered the previous question with clarity. Namely, a real estate broker/sales person who is negotiating a short sale as a third party (and not as a customer service) would in fact have to be licensed under AZ Department of Financial Institutions. In addition, DRE stated: Must a third-party short sale negotiator be licensed in Arizona to negotiate a short sale for compensation on behalf of an Arizona seller? Yes, a loan originator license issued by the DFI is required to be compensated as a short sale negotiator. Now, at first read it might seem that this has nothing to do with the real estate agent as previously explained. But, what if the real estate agent is part of a team? What if that agent on that team hires an unlicensed individual to make those negotiation phone calls for compensation on behalf of the licensee? This type of activity would clearly take that individual outside of the safe harbor for a real estate agent and would necessitate a DFI loan originator license for that employee. Even if it was determined that the licensee agent was in fact working within his license this would not confer onto the activities of the employee the same exemption. v.2010 602.774.3757 | 602.840.3290 Fax | 2701 East Camelback Road | Suite 150 | Phoenix, Arizona 85016 | www.ThomsonLawPLC.com
  • 3. FOR DISTRIBUTION JANUARY 15, 2011 PAGE 3 OF 4 After reading this statement, a real estate agent might determine that licensure is required and apply for licensure under Title 6 Chapter 9 as a loan originator. For a real estate agent to be a properly licensed loan originator it would then require that a real estate agent become an employee of a mortgage broker or banker? The next question and answer by DRE becomes increasingly problematic Are there any additional licensing restrictions that apply to FHA loans regulated by HUD? Yes. Loan originators must be employed by a licensed mortgage broker who is responsible for the supervision of the loan originator. Under HUD rules, a mortgage broker who handles FHA loans (“FHA mortgagee”) is prohibited from employing staff who are also employed in the real estate field. For further information about HUD's requirements, visit www.hud.gov. So, under the HUD rules, a HUD approved mortgagee is prohibited from employing staff who are also employed in the real estate field. This leaves only those mortgage brokers / bankers in AZ who do not offer FHA loans. In today’s real estate market and in view of current lending constraints, this leaves very few options. Last but not least: If a salesperson receives any fee in connection with a short sale, regardless of how the fee is described on the HUD-1 must the fee be paid through the employing broker? Yes. A.R.S. §32-2155(A) requires that a salesperson “accept employment and compensation as a licensee only from the legally licensed broker to whom the licensee is licensed.” Compensation is defined as “any fee, commission, salary, money or other valuable consideration for services rendered or to be rendered as well as the promise of consideration whether contingent or not.” A.R.S. §32- 2101(16). Thus, a salesperson may not receive compensation as a licensee from any person or through any entity, including a licensee’s LLC, other than the employing broker to which the salesperson is licensed. So, how does this affect compensation to employees of licensed agents who might “assist” the seller in the negotiation of a short sale? How might this affect those licensed real estate agents “working” for attorneys and who might receive compensation for negotiating short sales under the façade of a law firm? How might this affect a corporate entity created by a licensed real estate agent to market for and negotiate short sales? The answer to these questions would seem obvious from DRE’s position statement that these forms of compensations are prohibited by A.R.S. §32-2101(16). v.2010 602.774.3757 | 602.840.3290 Fax | 2701 East Camelback Road | Suite 150 | Phoenix, Arizona 85016 | www.ThomsonLawPLC.com
  • 4. FOR DISTRIBUTION JANUARY 15, 2011 PAGE 4 OF 4 Conclusion The DRE Update has provided clarity to many of the issues and questions facing Real Estate Agents in the area of Short Sales. What is now clear is that those agents who are engaged by another real estate agent, broker or even a homeowner to negotiate short sale and who receive compensation are in violation of ARS Section 32-2155 (C ) and are required to obtain a license from DFI. It is now equally clear that those third party negotiators that operate under the umbrella of an LLC or a brokerage also are in violation of ARS Section 32-2101(16). Finally, it is now clear that those Real Estate Agents that list and market a property and who only “assists” the seller as an accommodation with the negotiation with the lenders for no additional compensation is acting lawfully. What remains unclear is the definition of “assist” in the context of negotiating a short sale. Based upon the positions taken by DRE, DFI and the AG’s office, it seems reasonably clear that “assisting” a homeowner with the negotiation of a short sale would not include the direct and exclusive handling of the direct negotiations with the lenders. Certainly, as it pertains to the specific negotiations with a lender to obtain the release or extinguishment of deficiency balances, such negotiations would go well beyond mere “assistance” of a homeowner and would consist of representing a borrower on a disputed debt obligation. While some bright lines in the area of authority for Real Estate Agents in Short Sale transaction have now been established, there remain several areas of uncertainty that remain to be decided. What can be said is that Real Estate Agents should act prudently in determining the limits of their roles for a homeowner and eliminate potential violations of the statutory and regulatory requirements by avoiding the seeking of legal guidance. Kevin W. Hardin CMB, CMC, CMPS Neil W. Thomson, Esq. Thomson Law, PLC www.ThomsonLawPLC.com www.MortgageMediationGroup.com 2701 E. Camelback Rd. Suite 150 Phoenix, AZ 85016 602-774-3757 If you have any questions please call our firm at the number above. The Mortgage Mediation Group is a practice group of the Law Firm of Thomson Law, PLC. This group is focused on assisting homeowners facing a point today or in the future when they can no longer afford their mortgage or it no longer is feasible to pay AND owe more than their home is worth. Solutions can range from Mortgage Liability Review, Short Sale Review and Negotiation, Loan Modification, Lien Settlement, Foreclosure Defense, Deficiency Defense, Deed in Lieu and Bankruptcy (Chapter 7, 13, Lien Strip and Mortgage Cramdown). v.2010 602.774.3757 | 602.840.3290 Fax | 2701 East Camelback Road | Suite 150 | Phoenix, Arizona 85016 | www.ThomsonLawPLC.com