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Q&A Session: Derailments in Australia
   Laurie Wilson, Manager, Infrastructure & Engineering, RISSB joins us for an in-depth look at the nature and
    significance of derailments in Australia. He discusses the progress made over the last decade and the opportunities that
   exist to learn from investigations in order to improve the system and ensure rail remains one of the safest forms of transport.

   Over the Christmas break, there was mainstream media coverage of the dramatic train
   derailment north of Katherine caused by flash flooding from ex-Tropical Cyclone Grant. How
   common are derailments in Australia?
                                             Not all derailments are as dramatic as the one reported widely
                                             over Christmas. Derailments occur around Australia at a less
                                             alarming rate than they used to. Rail organisations have been
                                             working and investing in safety systems and education in the last
                                             decade or so. The professionalism of investigators is getting to be
                                             of a higher standard and safety management systems provide a
                                             high degree of guidance for operators. Safety standards have and
                                             are being continuously developed and reviewed to ensure that the
Katherine freight train derailment           chances of derailments are significantly reduced and managed.
Source: ABC TV
                                      How common are derailments? ATSB receives and produces
      the data for the industry and the data is published on the website and is
      accessible to everyone. In numbers alone the data shows a trend down           "data shows a trend down
      through the first 75% of the previous decade. The numbers have started to     through the first 75% of the
      increase slightly since 2008. This could be to the return of the wet        previous decade… rail remains
      weather, increases in temperatures or other impacts. This is also reflected    one of the safest forms of
                                                                                       passenger transport”
      when the numbers are normalized against the number of rail kilometers
      traveled. Only a very small percentage of derailments occur on the
      passenger networks around Australia as the safety systems and standards are very high. This
      ensures rail remains one of the safest forms of passenger transport.

      BITRE’s 2003 report on ‘Rail Accident Costs in Australia’ estimated that derailments
      accounted for about 37% of all rail accidents in Australia and property costs due to
      derailments totaled just under $30million. Given the growth of rail traffic in the last decade
      and that property costs are not the only costs of derailments, what is the significance
      caused by derailments?
      The BITRE report identified quite correctly that it has always been difficult to obtain accurate
      cost capture and analysis due to the different reporting and accounting systems utilised in the
      various rail organisations. Organisations capture data for what they require and that may not be
                                              the information that is required for the BITRE type report.
                                              Above rail costs, below rail costs or a combination of both… If
     "The real significance of derailments is
            the failure of the system”        you look at infrastructure costs from derailment damage you
                                              will find not all repairs or replacements are captured against
                                              the actual incident. The track is usually repaired to a level of

                        RISSB National Derailment Investigations and Analysis Workshop 20-21 February 2012, Hotel Realm Canberra
                                          RISSB National Derailment Investigations Workshop: Practical investigation and analysis
                                                                      22 – 24 February 2012 | Kingston Rail Station/Museum, Canberra
                                                                                                  www.informa.com.au/derailments
safety that allows the movement of trains. The organization then
"The benefits from this failure provide     may conduct further repairs and improvements at a later date or
the opportunity to learn… and improve       over a period of time as finance and/or resources become
       the system to ensure similar
    occurrences are eliminated or the
                                            available. A large component of the 2003 report was based on
  likelihood of recurrence is reduced”      averaging and estimates due to this situation.
                                    The real significance of derailments is the failure of the system. The
      benefits from this failure provide the opportunity to learn from it and improve the system to
      ensure similar occurrences are eliminated or the likelihood of recurrence is reduced. The
      National Derailment Investigation and Analysis workshop to be held in February will assist in this.

      Who is responsible for investigating derailments in Australia?
      This question is not an easy question to answer in this type of forum. As most people are aware
      significant changes are taking place in this area with the appointment of the National
      Investigator. This basically provides an extension to the existing ATSB investigative jurisdiction -
      expanding from the DIRN to all rail networks. The ATSB however only takes on the larger scale
      occurrences that may have significant learning that can improve the rail industry as a whole.
      They only investigate a small percentage of the overhaul number.
      Each individual rail operator/manager is responsible for undertaking          "The level of investigation and the
      an investigation into every occurrence. The level of investigation           detail of the investigation and report
                                                                                   vary according to the size/impact of
      and the detail of the investigation and report vary according to the
                                                                                               the occurrence”
      size/impact of the occurrence. This varies from a brief notification of
      an event and outcome to a full detailed investigation and analysis
      that results in a significant report with findings and recommendations that impact on the
      industry. The government provides the information required to industry through the Act and
      regulations. All rail organisations incorporate this information into their Safety Management
      Systems, Policies, Standards and Procedures.

      Is there a template for derailment reports?
      The ARA in conjunction with RISSB and the major rail organisations developed a National
      Code of Practice (NCOP) for rail safety investigations. This was released in 2006 and is still
      applicable today. The NCOP contains information on good practice investigation
      methodologies and also a number of tools to assist rail safety investigators. The NCOP also
      contains an Investigations Reporting Template. Investigators usually modify this to suit
      specific occurrences such as derailments. The ATSB and OTSI also have some publications
      that provide relevant information to assist Rail Safety Investigators.

      What happens to the data after a report is issued? Is the data on derailments in
      Australia easily available and/or shared within the industry?
      The ATSB compiles an annual report that covers all reported rail occurrences. The data is
      useful but more is required to ensure that reporting is consistent across all states and
      organisations. The major investigative reports undertaken by the
      ATSB and state regulators are published on their websites. Individual
      rail organisations investigative reports and findings are usually kept in        "Individual rail organisations
                                                                                  investigative reports and findings are
      house and not circulated publically. This is a lost opportunity for the          usually kept in house and not
      rail industry in general to learn from others. This is tending to             circulated publically. This is a lost
      improve with the better quality of reports identifying the root causes                   opportunity...”
      and contributing factors and staying clear of the blame game.
                        RISSB National Derailment Investigations and Analysis Workshop 20-21 February 2012, Hotel Realm Canberra
                                          RISSB National Derailment Investigations Workshop: Practical investigation and analysis
                                                                      22 – 24 February 2012 | Kingston Rail Station/Museum, Canberra
                                                                                                  www.informa.com.au/derailments
RISSB’s inaugural two day National Derailment Investigations and Analysis
Workshop will bring together rail operators, track owners, researchers and
regulators. What do you hope this mix of safety and track personnel will achieve?
The rail industry is seeing some significant growth at present. Skilled rail safety practitioners
are a critical contributor to ensure this growth is undertaken without a decrease in safety.
The rail safety practitioners have less and less time to undertake research and this includes
time available to review reports to identify learning from rail
occurrences outside of their own organisations. My hope is that            "this workshop will provide them with a
this workshop will provide them with a large amount of information large amount of information on lessons
on lessons learned in a short period of time. They will then be able          learned in a short period of time”
to evaluate what can be adopted to potentially improve their
systems and processes without having to have the occurrence
themselves. The workshop will bring together a large group of likeminded people that will
be able to discuss issues and potential solutions.

Also participating is Mike McLoughlin of XD Rail UK. What will Mike’s involvement
bring to the workshop?
Mike has had extensive involvement in derailment research and investigation for more years
than most. He has been involved in judicial inquiries representing different parties in various
derailments in the UK. Mike has been coming to Australia since 1999 providing his expert advice
to potential and current derailment investigators. I would say that Mike is the “Investigators
investigator” with a depth and breadth of knowledge that most of us can only aspire to have. He
constantly challenges investigators to stretch the boundaries of their thinking.

Following this workshop, RISSB is holding a three day practical investigation and
analysis course at the Kingston Railway Museum, Canberra during 22-24 February
2012. What is the rationale for this course and what are the benefits of running this
course at the Museum?
The key to all improvements to safety is to learn as much as you can from any occurrences that
you have. Derailments are a very specific rail industry phenomenon. Rail is a guided system - a
derailment is a loss of this guidance. This means it is a significant event for the rail industry. It is
critical that rail safety investigators correctly identify the mechanisms of derailment and the
contributing factors that caused the loss of guidance. The three day
course will provide the opportunity to gain and/or improve existing
knowledge and skills in this area. The Kingston Rail Museum yard
gives us safe access to rail and rollingstock that will maximise
attendees learning time. The infrastructure is in place and the Rail
Museum staff are very supportive of the event.

As the coordinator for the workshop and field course, what do
hope attendees will take back to the office with them?                                          Canberra Railway Museum
                                                                                                Source: Australian Railway Historical Society
As the coordinator I am, on behalf of RISSB and the rail industry in
general, providing an opportunity to improve knowledge that should
either directly or indirectly improve safety through a reduction in derailment numbers and
with better investigation and analysis of occurrences in general. The attendees will take back
new ideas and solutions to apply in their relevant organisations.

                RISSB National Derailment Investigations and Analysis Workshop 20-21 February 2012, Hotel Realm Canberra
                                  RISSB National Derailment Investigations Workshop: Practical investigation and analysis
                                                              22 – 24 February 2012 | Kingston Rail Station/Museum, Canberra
                                                                                          www.informa.com.au/derailments

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Q&A Derailments With Laurie Wilson

  • 1. Q&A Session: Derailments in Australia Laurie Wilson, Manager, Infrastructure & Engineering, RISSB joins us for an in-depth look at the nature and significance of derailments in Australia. He discusses the progress made over the last decade and the opportunities that exist to learn from investigations in order to improve the system and ensure rail remains one of the safest forms of transport. Over the Christmas break, there was mainstream media coverage of the dramatic train derailment north of Katherine caused by flash flooding from ex-Tropical Cyclone Grant. How common are derailments in Australia? Not all derailments are as dramatic as the one reported widely over Christmas. Derailments occur around Australia at a less alarming rate than they used to. Rail organisations have been working and investing in safety systems and education in the last decade or so. The professionalism of investigators is getting to be of a higher standard and safety management systems provide a high degree of guidance for operators. Safety standards have and are being continuously developed and reviewed to ensure that the Katherine freight train derailment chances of derailments are significantly reduced and managed. Source: ABC TV How common are derailments? ATSB receives and produces the data for the industry and the data is published on the website and is accessible to everyone. In numbers alone the data shows a trend down "data shows a trend down through the first 75% of the previous decade. The numbers have started to through the first 75% of the increase slightly since 2008. This could be to the return of the wet previous decade… rail remains weather, increases in temperatures or other impacts. This is also reflected one of the safest forms of passenger transport” when the numbers are normalized against the number of rail kilometers traveled. Only a very small percentage of derailments occur on the passenger networks around Australia as the safety systems and standards are very high. This ensures rail remains one of the safest forms of passenger transport. BITRE’s 2003 report on ‘Rail Accident Costs in Australia’ estimated that derailments accounted for about 37% of all rail accidents in Australia and property costs due to derailments totaled just under $30million. Given the growth of rail traffic in the last decade and that property costs are not the only costs of derailments, what is the significance caused by derailments? The BITRE report identified quite correctly that it has always been difficult to obtain accurate cost capture and analysis due to the different reporting and accounting systems utilised in the various rail organisations. Organisations capture data for what they require and that may not be the information that is required for the BITRE type report. Above rail costs, below rail costs or a combination of both… If "The real significance of derailments is the failure of the system” you look at infrastructure costs from derailment damage you will find not all repairs or replacements are captured against the actual incident. The track is usually repaired to a level of RISSB National Derailment Investigations and Analysis Workshop 20-21 February 2012, Hotel Realm Canberra RISSB National Derailment Investigations Workshop: Practical investigation and analysis 22 – 24 February 2012 | Kingston Rail Station/Museum, Canberra www.informa.com.au/derailments
  • 2. safety that allows the movement of trains. The organization then "The benefits from this failure provide may conduct further repairs and improvements at a later date or the opportunity to learn… and improve over a period of time as finance and/or resources become the system to ensure similar occurrences are eliminated or the available. A large component of the 2003 report was based on likelihood of recurrence is reduced” averaging and estimates due to this situation. The real significance of derailments is the failure of the system. The benefits from this failure provide the opportunity to learn from it and improve the system to ensure similar occurrences are eliminated or the likelihood of recurrence is reduced. The National Derailment Investigation and Analysis workshop to be held in February will assist in this. Who is responsible for investigating derailments in Australia? This question is not an easy question to answer in this type of forum. As most people are aware significant changes are taking place in this area with the appointment of the National Investigator. This basically provides an extension to the existing ATSB investigative jurisdiction - expanding from the DIRN to all rail networks. The ATSB however only takes on the larger scale occurrences that may have significant learning that can improve the rail industry as a whole. They only investigate a small percentage of the overhaul number. Each individual rail operator/manager is responsible for undertaking "The level of investigation and the an investigation into every occurrence. The level of investigation detail of the investigation and report vary according to the size/impact of and the detail of the investigation and report vary according to the the occurrence” size/impact of the occurrence. This varies from a brief notification of an event and outcome to a full detailed investigation and analysis that results in a significant report with findings and recommendations that impact on the industry. The government provides the information required to industry through the Act and regulations. All rail organisations incorporate this information into their Safety Management Systems, Policies, Standards and Procedures. Is there a template for derailment reports? The ARA in conjunction with RISSB and the major rail organisations developed a National Code of Practice (NCOP) for rail safety investigations. This was released in 2006 and is still applicable today. The NCOP contains information on good practice investigation methodologies and also a number of tools to assist rail safety investigators. The NCOP also contains an Investigations Reporting Template. Investigators usually modify this to suit specific occurrences such as derailments. The ATSB and OTSI also have some publications that provide relevant information to assist Rail Safety Investigators. What happens to the data after a report is issued? Is the data on derailments in Australia easily available and/or shared within the industry? The ATSB compiles an annual report that covers all reported rail occurrences. The data is useful but more is required to ensure that reporting is consistent across all states and organisations. The major investigative reports undertaken by the ATSB and state regulators are published on their websites. Individual rail organisations investigative reports and findings are usually kept in "Individual rail organisations investigative reports and findings are house and not circulated publically. This is a lost opportunity for the usually kept in house and not rail industry in general to learn from others. This is tending to circulated publically. This is a lost improve with the better quality of reports identifying the root causes opportunity...” and contributing factors and staying clear of the blame game. RISSB National Derailment Investigations and Analysis Workshop 20-21 February 2012, Hotel Realm Canberra RISSB National Derailment Investigations Workshop: Practical investigation and analysis 22 – 24 February 2012 | Kingston Rail Station/Museum, Canberra www.informa.com.au/derailments
  • 3. RISSB’s inaugural two day National Derailment Investigations and Analysis Workshop will bring together rail operators, track owners, researchers and regulators. What do you hope this mix of safety and track personnel will achieve? The rail industry is seeing some significant growth at present. Skilled rail safety practitioners are a critical contributor to ensure this growth is undertaken without a decrease in safety. The rail safety practitioners have less and less time to undertake research and this includes time available to review reports to identify learning from rail occurrences outside of their own organisations. My hope is that "this workshop will provide them with a this workshop will provide them with a large amount of information large amount of information on lessons on lessons learned in a short period of time. They will then be able learned in a short period of time” to evaluate what can be adopted to potentially improve their systems and processes without having to have the occurrence themselves. The workshop will bring together a large group of likeminded people that will be able to discuss issues and potential solutions. Also participating is Mike McLoughlin of XD Rail UK. What will Mike’s involvement bring to the workshop? Mike has had extensive involvement in derailment research and investigation for more years than most. He has been involved in judicial inquiries representing different parties in various derailments in the UK. Mike has been coming to Australia since 1999 providing his expert advice to potential and current derailment investigators. I would say that Mike is the “Investigators investigator” with a depth and breadth of knowledge that most of us can only aspire to have. He constantly challenges investigators to stretch the boundaries of their thinking. Following this workshop, RISSB is holding a three day practical investigation and analysis course at the Kingston Railway Museum, Canberra during 22-24 February 2012. What is the rationale for this course and what are the benefits of running this course at the Museum? The key to all improvements to safety is to learn as much as you can from any occurrences that you have. Derailments are a very specific rail industry phenomenon. Rail is a guided system - a derailment is a loss of this guidance. This means it is a significant event for the rail industry. It is critical that rail safety investigators correctly identify the mechanisms of derailment and the contributing factors that caused the loss of guidance. The three day course will provide the opportunity to gain and/or improve existing knowledge and skills in this area. The Kingston Rail Museum yard gives us safe access to rail and rollingstock that will maximise attendees learning time. The infrastructure is in place and the Rail Museum staff are very supportive of the event. As the coordinator for the workshop and field course, what do hope attendees will take back to the office with them? Canberra Railway Museum Source: Australian Railway Historical Society As the coordinator I am, on behalf of RISSB and the rail industry in general, providing an opportunity to improve knowledge that should either directly or indirectly improve safety through a reduction in derailment numbers and with better investigation and analysis of occurrences in general. The attendees will take back new ideas and solutions to apply in their relevant organisations. RISSB National Derailment Investigations and Analysis Workshop 20-21 February 2012, Hotel Realm Canberra RISSB National Derailment Investigations Workshop: Practical investigation and analysis 22 – 24 February 2012 | Kingston Rail Station/Museum, Canberra www.informa.com.au/derailments