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What we’ll be covering
• What happens after the submit button is pressed
• How:
   – leads monetized and distributed
   – the complexity of this system has lead to fraud in the
     past
• 2012:
   – major changes
   – partnership is the way forward
Who is this?
What about this?
Flo is huge (in pop culture)




                      3,375,312
                      like this
Brand Marketing
• $4 Billion+ in spend this year
• More than entire leads industry!




•   But…
•   Consumers view it all as the same product
•   All the ads point to the internet
•   Consumers want to compare rates
So…
• You’re smart
• You own a couple of domains
• Why don’t you throw up a form?
  1. Do some advertising
  2. Collect consumer information
  3. Sell to the big insurance companies
  4. Profit!!!

• Now you are thinking like an aggregator
• But…it isn’t quite that simple
QuoteWizard
Inc 500/5000
• 2010: #1 in Insurance
• 2011: #7 in Insurance
QuoteWizard




• Distribute 300,000+ leads a month
• Self generate the majority of our leads
QuoteWizard
• Seattle, WA
• Privately held
• Sell to 5,000+ Agents
• Established In
   – Auto
   – Home
   – Renter
   – Life
• Entering Health Vertical
Ian Smith
7+ Years in Online Lead Generation

VP of Technology @ QuoteWizard
Evangelism and Strategic Opportunities

Previously @ WorldClass Strategy (Now EducationDynamics)

Email: ismith@quotewizard.com
Twitter: @mriansmith
In the shadow of the ping tree

       Life of an Aggregator
• Publisher puts up




• Tells consumers they can save big
• Consumer puts in their info




• Now the lead lifecycle begins
• Things to remember:
   – An insurance lead is a request
     for multiple quotes
   – Many auto insurance leads
     have a cap of 8


   – Each time a lead is sold the cap
     is reduced by 1
   – Directives insure leads are only
     sold once to each agency
Publisher has a lead
Publisher auctions off the lead

   1. QuoteWizard Bids
      Matched: 1 Agent, 1 Carrier

   2. Trinity Quotes Bids
      Matched: 1 Agent

   3. SunsetSwan Bids
      Matched: 1 Agent
• QuoteWizard Wins for $7.
• Sells
   – 1 Agent
   – 1 Carrier
• Auctions remainder of cap
• Trinity Bids $6
   – Sells 1 Agent
• SunsetSwan Bids $4
   – Sells 1 Agent
The circle of happiness
End of story
Dealing with the lead fire hose
Dealing with the fire hose
•   Over 10,000 leads a day
•   Over 50+ direct sources and publishers
•   Hundreds of affiliates
•   A universe of 40,000+ lead buyers
•   Sometimes things go wrong
Bad Apple or Trend?
The two types of bad apples
• Non-contactable
  – Disconnected number
  – No answer
  – Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck

• Low/no Intent
  – Contactable
  – Not Interested
  – Did Not Request
Ping Forwarding
Ping Forwarding
Publisher auctions off the lead

   1. QuoteWizard Bids
      Matched: 1 Agent, 1 Carrier

   2. Trinity Quotes Bids
      Matched 1 Agent

   3. SunsetSwan Bids
      Matched 1 Agent
Ping Forwarding
Publisher auctions off the lead

   1. QuoteWizard Bids
      Matched: 1 Agent, 1 Carrier

   2. Trinity Quotes Bids
      Matched 1 Agent

   3. SunsetSwan Bids
      Matched 1 Agent
Ping Forwarding
Publisher auctions off the lead

   1. QuoteWizard Bids
      Matched: 1 Agent, 1 Carrier

   2. Trinity Quotes Bids
      Matched 1 Agent

   3. SunsetSwan Bids
      Matched 1 Agent
Fraud Forwarding
Takes a lead that
looks like this:
Fraud Forwarding
• This time last year:
  – We discovered this was going on
  – Clients began to view leads as email/phone only
  – Return rates began to sky rocket and payouts fell
• Now
  – Offenders shut down
  – Other aggregators have taken action
  – Slow and steady improvement
Affiliate Whack a Mole
Affiliate Whack a Mole
• Socially savvy
• Technically savvy
• Below the radar

• Pop up, do 100 leads a day
   – Might be aged
   – Might be phone book
   – Might be no intent

• Shut down, change name, move network or aggregator
Managing Quality
Return or Complaint Rate
• Leads Returned / Leads Sold
• Complaint hot spots
• Indicative of quality
• Lacking precision
Close Rate
• Leads Closed / Leads Sold
• Agents lack sophistication in tracking and reporting
• Carriers guard data, report over extended time frame
Taking it all with a grain of salt

• Aggregators balance on the
  knife edge between two
  extremes
• Everyone wants higher volume
  and higher quality
• Our goal: to dramatically grow
  our clients’ sales
It takes a village
$10.95 | Low: $2.35 | High: $21
It takes a village
$8.95 | $10.95 | Low: $2.35 | High: $21
Value of an aggregator
• Manage a huge and chaotic universe of clients
• Create media buying efficiencies by leveraging depth of client
  base
• Keep clients happy with a high volume of leads at a
  predictable quality
• Provide publishers with dependable pricing
2012

The Sky is the Limit
Consolidation




Hometown, InsuranceAgents, Moss, QuoteScout (?)
Maturing Industry
• More predictable marketplace with fewer players
• Fewer places for bad affiliates to go

• Stability
   – leads to innovation
   – leads to opportunity
   – leads to growth


• Let’s keep making improvements
Shift your view
• We’re not out here to eat your lunch
• Your success means our success
• We’re often forced to operate in the blind
   – Lack of insight into publisher sources
   – Lack of insight into buyer performance
• Look at us as a partner
What I want you to take away
• Everyone wants higher quality leads
• Partnership is the key
• To get there
   – Information needs to be more timely
   – Publishers need to be more open about sourcing
   – Buyers need to be open about what leads work
   – Pricing needs to follow effectiveness
The End
Questions?
  Email: ismith@quotewizard.com
       Twitter: @mriansmith




Auto – Home – Renter – Life – Health
        Leads + Calls + Clicks

           [ Booth #119 ]

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Inside the Great Ping Tree

  • 1. Presented by Powered by Ian Smith
  • 2. What we’ll be covering • What happens after the submit button is pressed • How: – leads monetized and distributed – the complexity of this system has lead to fraud in the past • 2012: – major changes – partnership is the way forward
  • 5. Flo is huge (in pop culture) 3,375,312 like this
  • 6. Brand Marketing • $4 Billion+ in spend this year • More than entire leads industry! • But… • Consumers view it all as the same product • All the ads point to the internet • Consumers want to compare rates
  • 7. So… • You’re smart • You own a couple of domains • Why don’t you throw up a form? 1. Do some advertising 2. Collect consumer information 3. Sell to the big insurance companies 4. Profit!!! • Now you are thinking like an aggregator • But…it isn’t quite that simple
  • 8. QuoteWizard Inc 500/5000 • 2010: #1 in Insurance • 2011: #7 in Insurance
  • 9. QuoteWizard • Distribute 300,000+ leads a month • Self generate the majority of our leads
  • 10. QuoteWizard • Seattle, WA • Privately held • Sell to 5,000+ Agents • Established In – Auto – Home – Renter – Life • Entering Health Vertical
  • 11. Ian Smith 7+ Years in Online Lead Generation VP of Technology @ QuoteWizard Evangelism and Strategic Opportunities Previously @ WorldClass Strategy (Now EducationDynamics) Email: ismith@quotewizard.com Twitter: @mriansmith
  • 12. In the shadow of the ping tree Life of an Aggregator
  • 13. • Publisher puts up • Tells consumers they can save big
  • 14. • Consumer puts in their info • Now the lead lifecycle begins
  • 15. • Things to remember: – An insurance lead is a request for multiple quotes – Many auto insurance leads have a cap of 8 – Each time a lead is sold the cap is reduced by 1 – Directives insure leads are only sold once to each agency
  • 16. Publisher has a lead Publisher auctions off the lead 1. QuoteWizard Bids Matched: 1 Agent, 1 Carrier 2. Trinity Quotes Bids Matched: 1 Agent 3. SunsetSwan Bids Matched: 1 Agent
  • 17. • QuoteWizard Wins for $7. • Sells – 1 Agent – 1 Carrier • Auctions remainder of cap • Trinity Bids $6 – Sells 1 Agent • SunsetSwan Bids $4 – Sells 1 Agent
  • 18. The circle of happiness
  • 20. Dealing with the lead fire hose
  • 21. Dealing with the fire hose • Over 10,000 leads a day • Over 50+ direct sources and publishers • Hundreds of affiliates • A universe of 40,000+ lead buyers • Sometimes things go wrong
  • 22. Bad Apple or Trend?
  • 23. The two types of bad apples • Non-contactable – Disconnected number – No answer – Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck • Low/no Intent – Contactable – Not Interested – Did Not Request
  • 25. Ping Forwarding Publisher auctions off the lead 1. QuoteWizard Bids Matched: 1 Agent, 1 Carrier 2. Trinity Quotes Bids Matched 1 Agent 3. SunsetSwan Bids Matched 1 Agent
  • 26. Ping Forwarding Publisher auctions off the lead 1. QuoteWizard Bids Matched: 1 Agent, 1 Carrier 2. Trinity Quotes Bids Matched 1 Agent 3. SunsetSwan Bids Matched 1 Agent
  • 27. Ping Forwarding Publisher auctions off the lead 1. QuoteWizard Bids Matched: 1 Agent, 1 Carrier 2. Trinity Quotes Bids Matched 1 Agent 3. SunsetSwan Bids Matched 1 Agent
  • 28. Fraud Forwarding Takes a lead that looks like this:
  • 29. Fraud Forwarding • This time last year: – We discovered this was going on – Clients began to view leads as email/phone only – Return rates began to sky rocket and payouts fell • Now – Offenders shut down – Other aggregators have taken action – Slow and steady improvement
  • 31. Affiliate Whack a Mole • Socially savvy • Technically savvy • Below the radar • Pop up, do 100 leads a day – Might be aged – Might be phone book – Might be no intent • Shut down, change name, move network or aggregator
  • 32. Managing Quality Return or Complaint Rate • Leads Returned / Leads Sold • Complaint hot spots • Indicative of quality • Lacking precision Close Rate • Leads Closed / Leads Sold • Agents lack sophistication in tracking and reporting • Carriers guard data, report over extended time frame
  • 33. Taking it all with a grain of salt • Aggregators balance on the knife edge between two extremes • Everyone wants higher volume and higher quality • Our goal: to dramatically grow our clients’ sales
  • 34. It takes a village $10.95 | Low: $2.35 | High: $21
  • 35. It takes a village $8.95 | $10.95 | Low: $2.35 | High: $21
  • 36. Value of an aggregator • Manage a huge and chaotic universe of clients • Create media buying efficiencies by leveraging depth of client base • Keep clients happy with a high volume of leads at a predictable quality • Provide publishers with dependable pricing
  • 37. 2012 The Sky is the Limit
  • 39. Maturing Industry • More predictable marketplace with fewer players • Fewer places for bad affiliates to go • Stability – leads to innovation – leads to opportunity – leads to growth • Let’s keep making improvements
  • 40. Shift your view • We’re not out here to eat your lunch • Your success means our success • We’re often forced to operate in the blind – Lack of insight into publisher sources – Lack of insight into buyer performance • Look at us as a partner
  • 41. What I want you to take away • Everyone wants higher quality leads • Partnership is the key • To get there – Information needs to be more timely – Publishers need to be more open about sourcing – Buyers need to be open about what leads work – Pricing needs to follow effectiveness
  • 43. Questions? Email: ismith@quotewizard.com Twitter: @mriansmith Auto – Home – Renter – Life – Health Leads + Calls + Clicks [ Booth #119 ]

Editor's Notes

  1. Financial Services Track - What happens after the submit buttonHow leads are sold, especially insuranceHow the complexity creates opportunity for fraud and abuseNext: Marketing Savvy, Not Brain Dead Boring
  2. Mr. Mayhem
  3. FloNext: Flo is huge
  4. Video gamesBobble head3 Million + likesDress like flo on progressive siteFlo in mobile apps
  5. $4 BillionMonday Night football : Beer add and 4 outrageous auto insurance ads
  6. Next: QuoteWizard
  7. We’re on the prowl2010 Inc 500Strong year over year top line growthNext: We sell
  8. Carriers and AgentsClicks, Calls, and LeadsNext: Additionally Privately Held
  9. Thought LeadsOne of the reasons we are doing this talkWant to engage all industry players to help improve and grow lead genTechnical LeadersNimble organization that likes to innovateTry things that are competitors won’t
  10. First line of code to the first leadA couple of ways you can get in touch with meNext: Life of an Aggregator
  11. Our view from the center of the action
  12. Next: couple of things
  13. Cap managed with distribution directivesNext: Let’s look at the numbers
  14. Next: Who wins
  15. We winUniverse of clients is so largeNext: Now begins
  16. Filled out form, thinks he’ll save moneyPublisher sells lead, gets paid - Now he’s happy.Aggregator’s sell leads to agents and carriers - Now they are happyClients are happy. Hot lead that is shopping for insurance.Reduced premium.Next: End of story
  17. Right? Right? Sort of
  18. Hand full of leads out of 10,000 leads a day. Consume most analytical and customer service resourcesNext: why everyone hates
  19. Back to the auction
  20. Trinity Quotes gets smart
  21. They run some math and increase their bid to win the lead
  22. Discovered last year.
  23. Jump network to network aggregator to aggregatorThen they’ll change their name and start all overNext: Leads Sources
  24. Jump network to network aggregator to aggregatorThen they’ll change their name and start all overNext: Leads Sources
  25. Return RateClose RateNext: salt
  26. Our goal is to dramatically grow salesNext: Step back, value of an aggregator
  27. Army of agentsNights weekendsNext: credits
  28. Army of agentsNights weekendsNext: credits
  29. Our goal is to dramatically grow salesNext: Step back, value of an aggregator
  30. These are the challenges we haveA lot is changing…banner yearNext: Consolidations
  31. Lot of companies = BankRateInsuranceLeads + AllWeb another big companyQuoteWizard nipping at their healsStrong growth without having to buy other companiesNext: Stability
  32. Can’t play against each other, have to work with usFirst time we’ve seen such stability
  33. Challenge youShift your view of aggregators
  34. Any questions?Thank you so much for your time.Could I get the QuoteWizard peeps to stand up.Thank you all for your kind attention. We have a number of key people here along with the company owners.I’ll be at the booth for the next couple of hours. Happy to shake hands, answer questions, or make intros to our team.