The document discusses strategies for public managers to engage the public and staff in more open, participatory, and performance-driven ways to address challenges. It proposes that capacity building for staff through three collaborative conversations focused on purpose, autonomy, and mastery can drive innovation better than traditional command-and-control approaches. These conversations would identify shared purposes and methods for engaging stakeholders to provide input and drive agency goals. By shaping the conversations into a virtuous cycle aligned across multiple levels, it aims to spark transformation through engaging networks of people.