John 13:21-32
Why did Jesus
have to die?
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Gratitude
For what are you grateful?
After saying this Jesus was troubled in spirit, and declared,
‘Very truly, I tell you, one of you will betray me.’ The
disciples looked at one another, uncertain of whom he was
speaking. One of his disciples—the one whom Jesus
loved—was reclining next to him; Simon Peter therefore
motioned to him to ask Jesus of whom he was speaking. So
while reclining next to Jesus, he asked him, ‘Lord, who is
it?’ Jesus answered, ‘It is the one to whom I give this piece
of bread when I have dipped it in the dish.’ So when he had
dipped the piece of bread, he gave it to Judas son of Simon
Iscariot. After he received the piece of bread, Satan entered
into him. Jesus said to him, ‘Do quickly what you are going
to do.’ Now no one at the table knew why he said this to
him. Some thought that, because Judas had the common
purse, Jesus was telling him, ‘Buy what we need for the
festival’; or, that he should give something to the poor. So,
after receiving the piece of bread, he immediately went out.
And it was night.
When he had gone out, Jesus said, ‘Now the Son of Man
has been glorified, and God has been glorified in him. If
God has been glorified in him, God will also glorify him in
himself and will glorify him at once.
What Does it
Say?
• Emotional reaction
• What’s the setting?
• Who are the characters?
• How would you summarize it?
• What happened before/after?
• What scriptural references do
you pick up?
Question
• Did God force or cause Judas to
betray Jesus?
• What’s your reasoning?
What Does It
Mean?
God’s Plan?
• Was the whole Easter thing –
Jesus’ passion, death, and
resurrection, God’s plan?
Theology of the
Cross
• A “thin tradition”, term originates
with Luther
• As opposed to the Theology of
Glory
• Fundamental assumptions:
• (1) Like the Sabbath, theology is
made for people, not vice versa
• (2) God, revealed in Jesus, will not
abandon the world
• C.f. Douglas John Hall The Cross in Our
Context (Augsburg Fortress, Minneapolis,
2003)
Theology of Glory
Theology of Glory – “Substitutes obvious, non-paradoxical,
unconditional, and immediate awareness of divine presence
and glory… for the more concealed, tentative, indirect, and
paradoxical knowledge of God revealed through the
crucified one. [It] confuses and distorts because it presents
divine revelation in a straightforward, undialectical, and
authoritarian manner that silences argument, silences doubt
– silences, therefore, real humanity.” Hall, p. 20.
Faith as Ideology
Ideology – “a theoretical statement
or system of interpretation that
functions for its adherents as a full
and sufficient credo, a source of
personal authority, and an
intellectually and psychologically
comforting insulation from the
frightening and chaotic mishmash
of daily existence.” Hall p.25
Have you experienced faith as a
sort of ideology?
Penal Substitutionary Atonement
“The suffering of the son is virtually at the hands of the
Father, who requires satisfaction for the guilt and
unholiness of the human race, for which Christ substitutes
himself…. Very much informed by the power principle.. May
be said to be motivated by a desire to forgive and love sinful
humanity is able to do so only indirectly through a
transaction…” Hall p.88
Was Jesus’s death on the Cross a result of God’s best-laid plans gone
wrong? Did human sin take God by surprise? Was there an emergency
plan B forced upon the Creator of the universe after the Fall in
Genesis?… No, Jesus went to the Cross exactly as God had intended
before the world began. “This Jesus, delivered up according to the
definite plan and foreknowledge of God, you crucified and killed by the
hands of lawless men” (Acts 2:23).
Jesus is the very design and accomplishment of God’s eternal wisdom.
The plan of redemption was not a necessary afterthought to remedy a
plan gone wrong. Jesus Christ had purposed to redeem us from
eternity past. His work on the Cross is nothing short of the pinnacle of
the revelation of God’s eternal and sovereign wisdom.
This means that when you have faith in Jesus Christ, His promise of
salvation is as sure as God’s eternal power. No surprises, just the
execution of eternal wisdom.
answersingenesis.org
Images of God
• What image of God does the
quote from Answers from
Genesis assume?
God and Change
#1
• Why have Christians
traditionally found it difficult to
talk about God changing?
• Philosophical reasons
• How does something outside time
change, in that change necessarily
has a “before” and an “after”?
• If God is perfect, then any change in
state must necessarily be to a less
perfect state
God and Change
#2Turn from your fierce wrath; change your
mind and do not bring disaster on your
people. Remember Abraham, Isaac, and
Israel, your servants, how you swore to
them by your own self, saying to them, “I
will multiply your descendants like the
stars of heaven, and all this land that I
have promised I will give to your
descendants, and they shall inherit it for
ever.” ’ And the LORD changed his mind
about the disaster that he planned to bring
on his people.
Providence
… the Biblical narrative of a God whose providence is a
mysterious internal and intentional involvement in history; a
God… obliged by his own love to exercise his power
quietly, subtly, and, usually, responsively in relation to the
always ambiguous and frequently evil deeds of the free
creatures; a God who will not impose rectitude upon the
world but labour to bring existing wrong into the service of
the good: a God, in short, who will suffer.” Hall p.87
God and Plans
• Is God’s interaction with the
world more like a taking a train
or driving a car?
What Does It
Mean for Me?
Belief to Trust
The fundamental journey of
reconstruction is, it seems to me,
to move from purely assensus
(belief) when we think we have the
answers, a nice controlled system
to fides (trust) where we trust in the
love of God who we don’t control
and who we don’t fully understand,
but who has revealed Godself in
the life, death, and resurrection of
Jesus.
Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name,
your kingdom come,
your will be done,
on earth as in heaven.
Give us today our daily bread.
Forgive us our sins
as we forgive those who sin against us.
Save us from the time of trial
and deliver us from evil.
For the kingdom, the power, and the glory are yours
now and for ever. Amen.
Jesus said: “remember, I am with you always,
to the end of the age”
Amen.
And the blessing of God, the Father, the Son
and the Holy Spirit be amongst us and remain
with us ever more. Amen
Cafechurch Session: Why did Jesus have to die?

Cafechurch Session: Why did Jesus have to die?

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    John 13:21-32 Why didJesus have to die?
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    Change Gear Gesualdo 6When David Saw Link to Facebook Video
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    After saying thisJesus was troubled in spirit, and declared, ‘Very truly, I tell you, one of you will betray me.’ The disciples looked at one another, uncertain of whom he was speaking. One of his disciples—the one whom Jesus loved—was reclining next to him; Simon Peter therefore motioned to him to ask Jesus of whom he was speaking. So while reclining next to Jesus, he asked him, ‘Lord, who is it?’ Jesus answered, ‘It is the one to whom I give this piece of bread when I have dipped it in the dish.’ So when he had dipped the piece of bread, he gave it to Judas son of Simon Iscariot. After he received the piece of bread, Satan entered into him. Jesus said to him, ‘Do quickly what you are going
  • 5.
    to do.’ Nowno one at the table knew why he said this to him. Some thought that, because Judas had the common purse, Jesus was telling him, ‘Buy what we need for the festival’; or, that he should give something to the poor. So, after receiving the piece of bread, he immediately went out. And it was night. When he had gone out, Jesus said, ‘Now the Son of Man has been glorified, and God has been glorified in him. If God has been glorified in him, God will also glorify him in himself and will glorify him at once.
  • 6.
    What Does it Say? •Emotional reaction • What’s the setting? • Who are the characters? • How would you summarize it? • What happened before/after? • What scriptural references do you pick up?
  • 7.
    Question • Did Godforce or cause Judas to betray Jesus? • What’s your reasoning?
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    God’s Plan? • Wasthe whole Easter thing – Jesus’ passion, death, and resurrection, God’s plan?
  • 10.
    Theology of the Cross •A “thin tradition”, term originates with Luther • As opposed to the Theology of Glory • Fundamental assumptions: • (1) Like the Sabbath, theology is made for people, not vice versa • (2) God, revealed in Jesus, will not abandon the world • C.f. Douglas John Hall The Cross in Our Context (Augsburg Fortress, Minneapolis, 2003)
  • 11.
    Theology of Glory Theologyof Glory – “Substitutes obvious, non-paradoxical, unconditional, and immediate awareness of divine presence and glory… for the more concealed, tentative, indirect, and paradoxical knowledge of God revealed through the crucified one. [It] confuses and distorts because it presents divine revelation in a straightforward, undialectical, and authoritarian manner that silences argument, silences doubt – silences, therefore, real humanity.” Hall, p. 20.
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    Faith as Ideology Ideology– “a theoretical statement or system of interpretation that functions for its adherents as a full and sufficient credo, a source of personal authority, and an intellectually and psychologically comforting insulation from the frightening and chaotic mishmash of daily existence.” Hall p.25 Have you experienced faith as a sort of ideology?
  • 13.
    Penal Substitutionary Atonement “Thesuffering of the son is virtually at the hands of the Father, who requires satisfaction for the guilt and unholiness of the human race, for which Christ substitutes himself…. Very much informed by the power principle.. May be said to be motivated by a desire to forgive and love sinful humanity is able to do so only indirectly through a transaction…” Hall p.88
  • 14.
    Was Jesus’s deathon the Cross a result of God’s best-laid plans gone wrong? Did human sin take God by surprise? Was there an emergency plan B forced upon the Creator of the universe after the Fall in Genesis?… No, Jesus went to the Cross exactly as God had intended before the world began. “This Jesus, delivered up according to the definite plan and foreknowledge of God, you crucified and killed by the hands of lawless men” (Acts 2:23). Jesus is the very design and accomplishment of God’s eternal wisdom. The plan of redemption was not a necessary afterthought to remedy a plan gone wrong. Jesus Christ had purposed to redeem us from eternity past. His work on the Cross is nothing short of the pinnacle of the revelation of God’s eternal and sovereign wisdom. This means that when you have faith in Jesus Christ, His promise of salvation is as sure as God’s eternal power. No surprises, just the execution of eternal wisdom. answersingenesis.org
  • 15.
    Images of God •What image of God does the quote from Answers from Genesis assume?
  • 16.
    God and Change #1 •Why have Christians traditionally found it difficult to talk about God changing? • Philosophical reasons • How does something outside time change, in that change necessarily has a “before” and an “after”? • If God is perfect, then any change in state must necessarily be to a less perfect state
  • 17.
    God and Change #2Turnfrom your fierce wrath; change your mind and do not bring disaster on your people. Remember Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, your servants, how you swore to them by your own self, saying to them, “I will multiply your descendants like the stars of heaven, and all this land that I have promised I will give to your descendants, and they shall inherit it for ever.” ’ And the LORD changed his mind about the disaster that he planned to bring on his people.
  • 18.
    Providence … the Biblicalnarrative of a God whose providence is a mysterious internal and intentional involvement in history; a God… obliged by his own love to exercise his power quietly, subtly, and, usually, responsively in relation to the always ambiguous and frequently evil deeds of the free creatures; a God who will not impose rectitude upon the world but labour to bring existing wrong into the service of the good: a God, in short, who will suffer.” Hall p.87
  • 19.
    God and Plans •Is God’s interaction with the world more like a taking a train or driving a car?
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    Belief to Trust Thefundamental journey of reconstruction is, it seems to me, to move from purely assensus (belief) when we think we have the answers, a nice controlled system to fides (trust) where we trust in the love of God who we don’t control and who we don’t fully understand, but who has revealed Godself in the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus.
  • 22.
    Our Father inheaven, hallowed be your name, your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as in heaven. Give us today our daily bread. Forgive us our sins as we forgive those who sin against us. Save us from the time of trial and deliver us from evil. For the kingdom, the power, and the glory are yours now and for ever. Amen.
  • 23.
    Jesus said: “remember,I am with you always, to the end of the age” Amen. And the blessing of God, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit be amongst us and remain with us ever more. Amen

Editor's Notes

  • #7 “interrogated Jesus” who responds with a warning
  • #12 “Palm Sunday” faith?