EMET
Kids with Bugs Dr Ian Turner
Temperature
❖ >38C (rectal in under 3 months)
❖ Consider hypothermia
❖ Temp higher in evening
Where’s the fever from?
Bacteria
Streptococcal pharyngitis
Otitis media
Pneumonia
UTI
Cellulitis
Meningitis
Septic arthritis
Osteomyelitis
Where’s the fever from?
Viruses
RTIs
Pharyngitis
Gastroenteritis
Otitis media
Meningitis/encpehalitis
Where’s the fever from?
Non-infective
Malignancy
Auto-immune
Immunisations
Drugs
Environment
Thermometer
Age matters
❖ <1 month (neonate)
❖ 1-3 months (infant)
❖ <3 months - 17% UTI, 2% bacteraemia, 0.9% meningitis
❖ >3 month
❖ investigations and treatment affected
Neonate
❖ Bugs from mum
❖ GBS, E coli, Listeria, Haemophilus, HSV
❖ UTI, meningitis
❖ PROM, prematurity, multiple pregnancy, vaccinations
❖ Do the LP
❖ Refer to appropriate guidelines (eg. penicillin and gentamicin OR cefotaxime)
❖ Consider acyclovir
Infant
❖ Strep, Neisseria, Staph, Haemophilus, Salmonella, Shigella, HSV
❖ Do the LP if you suspect
❖ Refer to appropriate guidelines (eg. ceftriaxone, penicillin)
❖ Consider acyclovir
❖ Low risk - previously well, looks well, normal vitals, WCC 5-15, clear urine
3 month to toddler
❖ Safer age group
❖ MSU minimum
❖ Clear site
❖ Well or unwell?
❖ Refer to appropriate guidelines (ceftriaxone, flucloxacillin)
Case 1
❖ Cooper, 7 months old, usually well
❖ 3 days of fever
❖ Seen by GP
Case 1
❖ 38.1C, RR 32, SaO2 99%, HR 160
❖ Alert, smiling, playing
❖ Nil focus found
Case 1
❖ Returns following day
❖ Fevers resolved
❖ But mum very worried about new rash
Case 2
❖ Isabella, 4 years old
❖ ALL age 13 months
❖ Coughing for 3 days
❖ Now has fever and rash
Case 2
❖ Supportive care
❖ Seek and treat complications
❖ Contacts
Case 3
❖ Patrick, 5 years old
❖ Fever and limp for 3 days
❖ Now cannot walk
❖ Carried into department by dad
Case 3
❖ No trauma or recent URTI
❖ No hip problems when younger
❖ Looks unwell
❖ 38.9C, HR 127, BP 100/80, RR 20, SaO2
99%
❖ Refuses examination of legs - not
deformed, swelling and redness around
knee
Case 3
❖ Analgesia
❖ Bloods
❖ Imaging
❖ Antibiotics - ?which bugs
Case 4
❖ Olivia, 7 months, 2/7 cough and fever
❖ Not drinking as much
❖ Video
Case 5
❖ Ava, 2 years old, noisy breathing
❖ Dad and mum concerned there is a family
history of asthma
❖ Video
Case 5
❖ How severe?
❖ Treatment options
❖ When to transfer?
Case 6
❖ Ava represents the following night with
worsening breathing and fever
❖ Minimal oral intake all day
❖ 40.1C, RR 46, SaO2 94%, HR 175, BP
98/64
❖ Sitting forward on mum’s lap
Case 6
❖ How does your management change?
❖ What is going through your head?
❖ What will you prepare?
Case 7
❖ Jordan, 7 years old
❖ Fever and runny nose for 5 days, currently
on amoxycillin, referred by GP as now had
headache and stiff neck to assess for
meningitis
❖ What do you want to know?
Case 7
❖ Other concerning symptoms
❖ Truly rigid?
❖ Antibiotic effect?
❖ LP?
Case 8
❖ 7 week infant fever with rash
❖ Born at 34 weeks, NG feeds 1/52
❖ Crying
❖ Won’t feed
Case 8
❖ How aggressive with your investigations
and management?
❖ LP?

Kids with Bugs

  • 1.
    EMET Kids with BugsDr Ian Turner
  • 2.
    Temperature ❖ >38C (rectalin under 3 months) ❖ Consider hypothermia ❖ Temp higher in evening
  • 3.
    Where’s the feverfrom? Bacteria Streptococcal pharyngitis Otitis media Pneumonia UTI Cellulitis Meningitis Septic arthritis Osteomyelitis
  • 4.
    Where’s the feverfrom? Viruses RTIs Pharyngitis Gastroenteritis Otitis media Meningitis/encpehalitis
  • 5.
    Where’s the feverfrom? Non-infective Malignancy Auto-immune Immunisations Drugs Environment Thermometer
  • 6.
    Age matters ❖ <1month (neonate) ❖ 1-3 months (infant) ❖ <3 months - 17% UTI, 2% bacteraemia, 0.9% meningitis ❖ >3 month ❖ investigations and treatment affected
  • 7.
    Neonate ❖ Bugs frommum ❖ GBS, E coli, Listeria, Haemophilus, HSV ❖ UTI, meningitis ❖ PROM, prematurity, multiple pregnancy, vaccinations ❖ Do the LP ❖ Refer to appropriate guidelines (eg. penicillin and gentamicin OR cefotaxime) ❖ Consider acyclovir
  • 8.
    Infant ❖ Strep, Neisseria,Staph, Haemophilus, Salmonella, Shigella, HSV ❖ Do the LP if you suspect ❖ Refer to appropriate guidelines (eg. ceftriaxone, penicillin) ❖ Consider acyclovir ❖ Low risk - previously well, looks well, normal vitals, WCC 5-15, clear urine
  • 9.
    3 month totoddler ❖ Safer age group ❖ MSU minimum ❖ Clear site ❖ Well or unwell? ❖ Refer to appropriate guidelines (ceftriaxone, flucloxacillin)
  • 10.
    Case 1 ❖ Cooper,7 months old, usually well ❖ 3 days of fever ❖ Seen by GP
  • 11.
    Case 1 ❖ 38.1C,RR 32, SaO2 99%, HR 160 ❖ Alert, smiling, playing ❖ Nil focus found
  • 12.
    Case 1 ❖ Returnsfollowing day ❖ Fevers resolved ❖ But mum very worried about new rash
  • 13.
    Case 2 ❖ Isabella,4 years old ❖ ALL age 13 months ❖ Coughing for 3 days ❖ Now has fever and rash
  • 14.
    Case 2 ❖ Supportivecare ❖ Seek and treat complications ❖ Contacts
  • 15.
    Case 3 ❖ Patrick,5 years old ❖ Fever and limp for 3 days ❖ Now cannot walk ❖ Carried into department by dad
  • 16.
    Case 3 ❖ Notrauma or recent URTI ❖ No hip problems when younger ❖ Looks unwell ❖ 38.9C, HR 127, BP 100/80, RR 20, SaO2 99% ❖ Refuses examination of legs - not deformed, swelling and redness around knee
  • 17.
    Case 3 ❖ Analgesia ❖Bloods ❖ Imaging ❖ Antibiotics - ?which bugs
  • 18.
    Case 4 ❖ Olivia,7 months, 2/7 cough and fever ❖ Not drinking as much ❖ Video
  • 19.
    Case 5 ❖ Ava,2 years old, noisy breathing ❖ Dad and mum concerned there is a family history of asthma ❖ Video
  • 20.
    Case 5 ❖ Howsevere? ❖ Treatment options ❖ When to transfer?
  • 21.
    Case 6 ❖ Avarepresents the following night with worsening breathing and fever ❖ Minimal oral intake all day ❖ 40.1C, RR 46, SaO2 94%, HR 175, BP 98/64 ❖ Sitting forward on mum’s lap
  • 22.
    Case 6 ❖ Howdoes your management change? ❖ What is going through your head? ❖ What will you prepare?
  • 23.
    Case 7 ❖ Jordan,7 years old ❖ Fever and runny nose for 5 days, currently on amoxycillin, referred by GP as now had headache and stiff neck to assess for meningitis ❖ What do you want to know?
  • 24.
    Case 7 ❖ Otherconcerning symptoms ❖ Truly rigid? ❖ Antibiotic effect? ❖ LP?
  • 25.
    Case 8 ❖ 7week infant fever with rash ❖ Born at 34 weeks, NG feeds 1/52 ❖ Crying ❖ Won’t feed
  • 26.
    Case 8 ❖ Howaggressive with your investigations and management? ❖ LP?