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Benchmarking SaaS Start-Ups: 
How Am I Doing? 
Really? 
Brian Jacobs 
General Partner, Emergence Capital 
@brian_emcap 
Jason M. Lemkin 
SaaStr; Managing Director, Storm Ventures 
@jasonlk
Brian Jacobs 
Founding Partner, Emergence Capital 
Investors in Salesforce, Successfactors, 
Veeva, Yammer, Box, InsideView, ServiceMax, 
Bill.com, EchoSign, Hightail, Lithium, etc.
Jason M. Lemkin 
SaaStr Founder Community – 1m Views/Mo 
Managing Director, Storm Ventures 
Founder/CEO – EchoSign/Adobe 
Investors in MobileIron, Marketo, EchoSign, 
GuideSpark, Metacloud, Sandforce, etc.
Benchmarking – What We’ll Discuss 
•The Journey 
•The Numbers: The Good, The Bad and the Ugly 
•Funding: Who Gets Funded, & Why 
•The Live Case Studies: 
– Early-ish Stage: TalkDesk: $150K to $2.5m ARR in 12 mos.; the next phase 
– Growth Stage: GuideSpark $1.5-$20m in 24 Mos. (but it took a while to get there)
The Journey 
What Matters – And What Doesn’t 
• The Best SaaS Companies Get to 
$100m in 7-10 Years 
• Outliers are rare: Workday, Salesforce, 
DropBox, but few others 
• Pace to $100m: 
– Box: 7 Years 
– Hubspot: 8 Years 
– Marketo: 6 Years 
– Zendesk: 8 Years 
– MobileIron: 6 Years 
– Veeva: 5 Years ($1m+ ACV) 
– LinkedIn: 7 Years
The Journey 
What Matters – And What Doesn’t 
• But … Really Doesn’t Matter How Long it 
Takes You to Get to Initial Traction (first $1- 
$1.5m) 
• Some get there in 1 Year. Some take 3+ 
Years (GuideSpark). It doesn’t matter – if you 
are committed. 
• Key is Not to Burn Out Around Year 4-5
The Journey 
What Matters – And What Doesn’t 
• After Initial Traction, Growth Rate is Critical 
• Then … 
– Best SaaS Companies go $2-$10m ARR in 5 
Quarters or Less (>=15% MoM); 20% Outlier 
– Key is Momentum as pass $10m ARR (100%+ 
Growth Once Cross It)
While Most Attention is Focused on Latter Stage Growth of 
Public/Acquired SaaS Companies… 
get to $10m … Average $10m to $100m in 4.7 Ys. 
…Early Stage Growth is Arguably More Important
This is Why: You Need One 3x Yr, And Then >=2x Each Yr
Top SaaS Players Grew Quickly Pre-$10M in Revenue 
Annual Revenue 
Growth Before 
Achieving $10M in 
Revenue 
Max: 983% 
Target Range 
Mean: 291% 
Min: 36%
Without Sacrificing Sales Efficiency 
Average Sales 
Efficiency 
Before 
Achieving 
$10M in 
Revenue 
Note: Sales Efficiency = Change in Yearly Revenues / Previous 
Year’s Sales and Marketing Spend 
Max: 512% 
Target Range 
Mean: 164% 
Min: 45%
The Live Case Studies: TalkDesk and 
GuideSpark 
Potential Outliers
Talkdesk: Getting to 20% MoM Growth – From Nothing 
From Hackathon, to Product-Market Fit 
• Talkdesk – Top Desk.com Partner 
• Call/Contact Center in the Cloud 
• History: 
– Started off winning Twillio & SFDC hackathons 
– Then productized 
– Then monetized 
– Hit Initial Traction ($1.5m) 16 mos. After Launch – 
with increased velocity (20%) 
– On pace grow $1m to $10m in < magic 5 quarters
Talkdesk: Getting to 20% MoM Growth – From Nothing 
From Hackathon, to Product-Market Fit 
• Q&A 
• Keys to igniting growth: 
– Partners and integrations (takes time) 
– Driving ACV and deal sizes up (to six figures) 
– Upgrades key: < 20% of target ACV bought upfront 
today 
– Understanding how do true enterprise-grade 
implemenations --- even for SMBs :) 
– Pricing for value 
– Lead growth > Revenue Growth = VPS + Raise $$$
Talkdesk: Getting to 20% MoM Growth Post-Initial 
From Hackathon to Product-Market Fit to Outlier 
• Brian Jacobs: 
• Would you do the Series A? 
• Is It In the Ballpark vs. Other SaaS 
Investments? 
• Why or Why Not?
Case Study #2: Guidespark: 5 Years to Outlier 
Three+ Tough Years to Initial Scale. Then – Acceleration. 
• GuideSpark: Employee Communications in 
the Cloud – Instead of In-Person 
• History: 
– Started off as more generic e-learning platform 
– Struggled for product-market fit until found one core 
use case, and one core enterprise customer 
– Doubled down on (x) enterprise + (y) employee 
communications 
– Hired their Great VP of Sales at ~$1.5m ARR – once 
real business model proven and first enterprise 
customers closed
GuideSpark: Outlier Growth Post-Initial Scale 
A Long Journey to The Top 
• Brian Jacobs: 
• Would you do the Series C? 
• Why or Why Not?
Come To Dreamforce to See the Rest! 
Wed Oct 15th! @ 1pm 
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Benchmarking SaaS Start-Ups: How to Achieve Rapid Growth and Become an Outlier

  • 1. Benchmarking SaaS Start-Ups: How Am I Doing? Really? Brian Jacobs General Partner, Emergence Capital @brian_emcap Jason M. Lemkin SaaStr; Managing Director, Storm Ventures @jasonlk
  • 2. Brian Jacobs Founding Partner, Emergence Capital Investors in Salesforce, Successfactors, Veeva, Yammer, Box, InsideView, ServiceMax, Bill.com, EchoSign, Hightail, Lithium, etc.
  • 3. Jason M. Lemkin SaaStr Founder Community – 1m Views/Mo Managing Director, Storm Ventures Founder/CEO – EchoSign/Adobe Investors in MobileIron, Marketo, EchoSign, GuideSpark, Metacloud, Sandforce, etc.
  • 4. Benchmarking – What We’ll Discuss •The Journey •The Numbers: The Good, The Bad and the Ugly •Funding: Who Gets Funded, & Why •The Live Case Studies: – Early-ish Stage: TalkDesk: $150K to $2.5m ARR in 12 mos.; the next phase – Growth Stage: GuideSpark $1.5-$20m in 24 Mos. (but it took a while to get there)
  • 5. The Journey What Matters – And What Doesn’t • The Best SaaS Companies Get to $100m in 7-10 Years • Outliers are rare: Workday, Salesforce, DropBox, but few others • Pace to $100m: – Box: 7 Years – Hubspot: 8 Years – Marketo: 6 Years – Zendesk: 8 Years – MobileIron: 6 Years – Veeva: 5 Years ($1m+ ACV) – LinkedIn: 7 Years
  • 6. The Journey What Matters – And What Doesn’t • But … Really Doesn’t Matter How Long it Takes You to Get to Initial Traction (first $1- $1.5m) • Some get there in 1 Year. Some take 3+ Years (GuideSpark). It doesn’t matter – if you are committed. • Key is Not to Burn Out Around Year 4-5
  • 7. The Journey What Matters – And What Doesn’t • After Initial Traction, Growth Rate is Critical • Then … – Best SaaS Companies go $2-$10m ARR in 5 Quarters or Less (>=15% MoM); 20% Outlier – Key is Momentum as pass $10m ARR (100%+ Growth Once Cross It)
  • 8. While Most Attention is Focused on Latter Stage Growth of Public/Acquired SaaS Companies… get to $10m … Average $10m to $100m in 4.7 Ys. …Early Stage Growth is Arguably More Important
  • 9. This is Why: You Need One 3x Yr, And Then >=2x Each Yr
  • 10. Top SaaS Players Grew Quickly Pre-$10M in Revenue Annual Revenue Growth Before Achieving $10M in Revenue Max: 983% Target Range Mean: 291% Min: 36%
  • 11. Without Sacrificing Sales Efficiency Average Sales Efficiency Before Achieving $10M in Revenue Note: Sales Efficiency = Change in Yearly Revenues / Previous Year’s Sales and Marketing Spend Max: 512% Target Range Mean: 164% Min: 45%
  • 12. The Live Case Studies: TalkDesk and GuideSpark Potential Outliers
  • 13. Talkdesk: Getting to 20% MoM Growth – From Nothing From Hackathon, to Product-Market Fit • Talkdesk – Top Desk.com Partner • Call/Contact Center in the Cloud • History: – Started off winning Twillio & SFDC hackathons – Then productized – Then monetized – Hit Initial Traction ($1.5m) 16 mos. After Launch – with increased velocity (20%) – On pace grow $1m to $10m in < magic 5 quarters
  • 14. Talkdesk: Getting to 20% MoM Growth – From Nothing From Hackathon, to Product-Market Fit • Q&A • Keys to igniting growth: – Partners and integrations (takes time) – Driving ACV and deal sizes up (to six figures) – Upgrades key: < 20% of target ACV bought upfront today – Understanding how do true enterprise-grade implemenations --- even for SMBs :) – Pricing for value – Lead growth > Revenue Growth = VPS + Raise $$$
  • 15. Talkdesk: Getting to 20% MoM Growth Post-Initial From Hackathon to Product-Market Fit to Outlier • Brian Jacobs: • Would you do the Series A? • Is It In the Ballpark vs. Other SaaS Investments? • Why or Why Not?
  • 16. Case Study #2: Guidespark: 5 Years to Outlier Three+ Tough Years to Initial Scale. Then – Acceleration. • GuideSpark: Employee Communications in the Cloud – Instead of In-Person • History: – Started off as more generic e-learning platform – Struggled for product-market fit until found one core use case, and one core enterprise customer – Doubled down on (x) enterprise + (y) employee communications – Hired their Great VP of Sales at ~$1.5m ARR – once real business model proven and first enterprise customers closed
  • 17. GuideSpark: Outlier Growth Post-Initial Scale A Long Journey to The Top • Brian Jacobs: • Would you do the Series C? • Why or Why Not?
  • 18. Come To Dreamforce to See the Rest! Wed Oct 15th! @ 1pm http://bit.ly/saastrdf