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Welcome 

The Great Yorkshire Conversation

MAKING YORKSHIRE’S VOICE HEARD
SOCIAL CARE:

“Fixing the broken
system”
18.00 - Welcome and outline of the evening 



18.15 - Simon Duffy presentation, policy proposal for Reclaiming Social Care



18.35 - ANY QUESTIONS to the Panel 



19.00 - Group conversations: The needs we have, and the actions we demand 



19.45 - Tea/Coffee £1.00



20.00 - Plenary: Sharing each group’s DEMANDS from the posted charts 



20.20 - Prioritising the Demands 



20.35 - Agreed strategy for the autumn Conferences and next steps. 

20.45 - Close


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SOCIAL CARE: The Great Yorkshire Conversation
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Social Care was never perfect
from Christmas in Purgatory
Austerity has reversed progress
The current system is based on a
Disability Super Tax
• Local authorities can tax disabled people who receive social care up to 100% of their
income, as long as they leave people living at home with an income above the Minimum
Income Guarantee (MIG), which is set as low as £71.48 per week (DHSC, 2019) and
£29.40 per week Personal Expenditure Allowance for people in residential care.

• 167,000 people have been driven into debt because of local authority ‘charges’ and
78,000 people had had debt management procedures started against them for non-
payment (GMB, 2018).

• Many people have abandoned getting the support they need because they cannot afford
to pay the charges.

• Families often spend or transfer savings between themselves in order to protect the
eligibility of disabled people with eligible need.

• About half of those receiving adult social care have had to reduce the money they spend
meeting basic needs (rent, food and heating) in order to afford their social care charges.

• The charging system costs nearly £70 million to administer (about £0.5 million per local
authority). The process of assessing people’s needs and finances is often confused and
disconnected.
The alternative is to create a fully
funded social care system?
1. Everyone gets the Social Care and Support they need

2. Universal, free with no means-testing and no special taxing of disabled people

3. People get entitlements that are enough to enable them to live as equal citizens

4. Staff are paid fairly, not exploited, nor pushed on to the lowest possible salary

5. The role of family and the community is recognised, respected and supported

6. Funded by progressive taxation, on the same basis as other public services

(not linked to a hypothecated tax, that may be inadequate over long-term)

7. Accountable to disabled people, families, staff and the wider communities 

and monitored against human rights standards
1. Means-testing unfairly taxes disabled people

2. The current funding system makes no moral nor economic sense

3. We are currently failing in our international human rights obligations

4. Social Care and Support is a local economic and community investment 

5. The current system severely discriminates against women

6. Social Care and Support must have the same status as other public services

7. Only a fully funded system can adapt to changing demographic needs

8. Local coordination of services requires fair funding for all services

9. The public will only fully support a fully funded system

10. NHS principles need to be protected from means-testing in Social Care

11. Increased efficiency requires different kinds of investment

12. The chasm between services for children and adults must be bridged
12 reasons why…
What will it cost?
• End means-testing: about £10 billion (current cost of
privately purchased care) and a further £1 billion (income
from charging).

• Commit to increase the overall level of support provided.
Returning to the level of Social Care and Support available
in 2009 (a 44% increase) will cost approximately £6 billion.

• Commit to increase the salary levels of support staff, say
by 25%, which implies a cost of about £5 billion.

• In total this implies a total cost increase, after 5 years, of
£22 billion, bringing the total cost of Adult Social Care and
Support in England to about £40 billion or 2% of GDP. 

• This is of course a very rough estimate, and it does not
count in savings from cutting out wasteful administration or
savings for other public services. It is not proposed that
this amount is either in itself necessary or sufficient but it is
an entirely viable level of increase.
How will it be funded?
• Commit to an increase in progressive taxation to pay for the introduction of a new
and improved universal Social Care and Support service. 

• NB End the current link to Council Tax

• Note that, while this means that the better-off will be paying more in tax, they will
also be reducing risks and costs for themselves - should they or those they love
acquire a disability - at any stage of life, including old age. They will in effect be
insuring themselves from the impact of disability by contributing to an efficient
and universal system.

• Commit to reduce pay inequalities, cap top salaries and aim for a salary ratio of 1:3
between direct staff and top management (this will also radically improve efficiency
by making more direct support available).
What has the price of housing got to do with
our need for social care? Nothing
The critical factor
• You cannot hope to protect and improve social care unless it is understood as an
essential public service which benefits everyone

• In other words

• There’s no point setting your sights low - you’ll please nobody

• An ambitious model is a potentially attractive model
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How to Fully Fund Social Care

  • 1. yorkshiresha@gmail.com Welcome 
 The Great Yorkshire Conversation
 MAKING YORKSHIRE’S VOICE HEARD SOCIAL CARE:
 “Fixing the broken system”
  • 2. 18.00 - Welcome and outline of the evening 
 
 18.15 - Simon Duffy presentation, policy proposal for Reclaiming Social Care
 
 18.35 - ANY QUESTIONS to the Panel 
 
 19.00 - Group conversations: The needs we have, and the actions we demand 
 
 19.45 - Tea/Coffee £1.00
 
 20.00 - Plenary: Sharing each group’s DEMANDS from the posted charts 
 
 20.20 - Prioritising the Demands 
 
 20.35 - Agreed strategy for the autumn Conferences and next steps. 
 20.45 - Close 
 Welcome
 SOCIAL CARE: The Great Yorkshire Conversation yorkshiresha@gmail.com
  • 3. NEW report out today Available at: https://www.centreforwelfarereform.org/library
  • 4. Social Care was never perfect from Christmas in Purgatory
  • 6. The current system is based on a Disability Super Tax • Local authorities can tax disabled people who receive social care up to 100% of their income, as long as they leave people living at home with an income above the Minimum Income Guarantee (MIG), which is set as low as £71.48 per week (DHSC, 2019) and £29.40 per week Personal Expenditure Allowance for people in residential care. • 167,000 people have been driven into debt because of local authority ‘charges’ and 78,000 people had had debt management procedures started against them for non- payment (GMB, 2018). • Many people have abandoned getting the support they need because they cannot afford to pay the charges. • Families often spend or transfer savings between themselves in order to protect the eligibility of disabled people with eligible need. • About half of those receiving adult social care have had to reduce the money they spend meeting basic needs (rent, food and heating) in order to afford their social care charges. • The charging system costs nearly £70 million to administer (about £0.5 million per local authority). The process of assessing people’s needs and finances is often confused and disconnected.
  • 7. The alternative is to create a fully funded social care system? 1. Everyone gets the Social Care and Support they need 2. Universal, free with no means-testing and no special taxing of disabled people 3. People get entitlements that are enough to enable them to live as equal citizens 4. Staff are paid fairly, not exploited, nor pushed on to the lowest possible salary 5. The role of family and the community is recognised, respected and supported 6. Funded by progressive taxation, on the same basis as other public services
 (not linked to a hypothecated tax, that may be inadequate over long-term) 7. Accountable to disabled people, families, staff and the wider communities 
 and monitored against human rights standards
  • 8. 1. Means-testing unfairly taxes disabled people 2. The current funding system makes no moral nor economic sense 3. We are currently failing in our international human rights obligations 4. Social Care and Support is a local economic and community investment 5. The current system severely discriminates against women 6. Social Care and Support must have the same status as other public services 7. Only a fully funded system can adapt to changing demographic needs 8. Local coordination of services requires fair funding for all services 9. The public will only fully support a fully funded system 10. NHS principles need to be protected from means-testing in Social Care 11. Increased efficiency requires different kinds of investment 12. The chasm between services for children and adults must be bridged 12 reasons why…
  • 9. What will it cost? • End means-testing: about £10 billion (current cost of privately purchased care) and a further £1 billion (income from charging). • Commit to increase the overall level of support provided. Returning to the level of Social Care and Support available in 2009 (a 44% increase) will cost approximately £6 billion. • Commit to increase the salary levels of support staff, say by 25%, which implies a cost of about £5 billion. • In total this implies a total cost increase, after 5 years, of £22 billion, bringing the total cost of Adult Social Care and Support in England to about £40 billion or 2% of GDP. • This is of course a very rough estimate, and it does not count in savings from cutting out wasteful administration or savings for other public services. It is not proposed that this amount is either in itself necessary or sufficient but it is an entirely viable level of increase.
  • 10. How will it be funded? • Commit to an increase in progressive taxation to pay for the introduction of a new and improved universal Social Care and Support service. • NB End the current link to Council Tax • Note that, while this means that the better-off will be paying more in tax, they will also be reducing risks and costs for themselves - should they or those they love acquire a disability - at any stage of life, including old age. They will in effect be insuring themselves from the impact of disability by contributing to an efficient and universal system. • Commit to reduce pay inequalities, cap top salaries and aim for a salary ratio of 1:3 between direct staff and top management (this will also radically improve efficiency by making more direct support available). What has the price of housing got to do with our need for social care? Nothing
  • 11. The critical factor • You cannot hope to protect and improve social care unless it is understood as an essential public service which benefits everyone • In other words • There’s no point setting your sights low - you’ll please nobody • An ambitious model is a potentially attractive model