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Thermodynamics and
the Gibbs Paradox
Presented by: Chua Hui Ying Grace
Goh Ying Ying
Ng Gek Puey Yvonne
Overview
 The three laws of thermodynamics
 The Gibbs Paradox
 The Resolution of the Paradox
 Gibbs / Jaynes
 Von Neumann
 Shu Kun Lin’s revolutionary idea
 Conclusion
The Three Laws of
Thermodynamics
 1st Law
 Energy is always conserved
 2nd Law
 Entropy of the Universe always increase
 3rd Law
 Entropy of a perfect crystalline substance is
taken as zero at the absolute temperature
of 0K.
Unravel the mystery of The
Gibbs Paradox
The mixing of
non-identical gases
Shows obvious increase in entropy (disorder)
The mixing of identical gases
Shows zero increase in entropy as action is reversible
Compare the two scenarios of
mixing and we realize that……
To resolve the Contradiction
 Look at how people do this
1. Gibbs /Jaynes
2. Von Neumann
3. Lin Shu Kun
Gibbs’ opinion
 When 2 non-identical gases mix and entropy
increase, we imply that the gases can be
separated and returned to their original state
 When 2 identical gases mix, it is impossible to
separate the two gases into their original
state as there is no recognizable difference
between the gases
Gibbs’ opinion (2)
 Thus, these two cases stand on
different footing and should not be
compared with each other
 The mixing of gases of different kinds
that resulted in the entropy change was
independent of the nature of the gases
 Hence independent of the degree of
similarity between them
Entropy
Smax
Similarity
S=0
Z=0 Z = 1
Jaynes’ explanation
 The entropy of a macrostate is given as
)
(
log
)
( C
W
k
X
S 
Where S(X) is the entropy associated with a chosen
set of macroscopic quantities
W(C) is the phase volume occupied by all the
microstates in a chosen reference class C
Jaynes’ explanation (2)
 This thermodynamic entropy S(X) is not a
property of a microstate, but of a certain
reference class C(X) of microstates
 For entropy to always increase, we need to
specify the variables we want to control and
those we want to change.
 Any manipulation of variables outside this
chosen set may cause us to see a violation of
the second law.
Von Neumann’s Resolution
 Makes use of the quantum mechanical
approach to the problem
 He derives the equation
       
 
2
log
2
1
log
1
1
log
1
2













 



Nk
S
Where  measures the degree of orthogonality, which
is the degree of similarity between the gases.
Von Neumann’s Resolution (2)
 Hence when  = 0 entropy is at its highest
and when  = 1 entropy is at its lowest
 Therefore entropy decreases continuously
with increasing similarity
Entropy
Smax
Similarity
S=0
Z=0 Z = 1
Resolving the Gibbs Paradox - Using Entropy and its
revised relation with Similarity proposed by Lin Shu Kun.
• Draws a connection between information theory and entropy
• proposed that entropy increases continuously with similarity
of the gases
Analyse 3 concepts!
(1) high symmetry = high similarity,
(2) entropy = information loss and
(3) similarity = information loss.
Why “entropy increases with similarity” ?
Due to Lin’s proposition that
• entropy is the degree of symmetry and
• information is the degree of non-symmetry
(1) high symmetry = high similarity
• symmetry is a measure of indistinguishability
• high symmetry contributes to high indistinguishability
similarity can be described as a continuous measure of
imperfect symmetry
High Symmetry Indistinguishability High
similarity
(2) entropy = information loss
 an increase in entropy means an increase in
disorder.
 a decrease in entropy reflects an increase in order.
 A more ordered system is more highly organized
 thus possesses greater information content.
Do you have any
idea what the
picture is all about?
From the previous example,
• Greater entropy would result in least information registered
 Higher entropy , higher information loss
Thus if the system is more ordered,
• This means lower entropy and thus less information loss.
(3) similarity = information loss.
1 Particle (n-1) particles
For a system with distinguishable particles,
Information on N particles
= different information of each particle
= N pieces of information
High similarity (high symmetry)  there is greater information loss.
For a system with
indistinguishable particles,
Information of N particles
= Information of 1 particle
= 1 piece of information
Concepts explained:
(1) high symmetry = high similarity
(2) entropy = information loss and
(3) similarity = information loss
After establishing the links between the various concepts,
If a system is
highly symmetrical high similarity
Greater
information loss
Higher entropy
The mixing of identical
gases (revisited)
Lin’s Resolution of the Gibbs Paradox
 Compared to the non-identical gases, we have less
information about the identical gases
 According to his theory,
 less information=higher entropy
Therefore, the mixing of gases should result in an
increase with entropy.
Comparing the 3 graphs
Entropy
Smax
Similarity
S=0
Z=0 Z = 1
Entropy
Smax
Similarity
S=0
Z=0 Z = 1 Z=0
Entropy
Smax
Similarity
S=0
Z = 1
Gibbs Von Neumann Lin
Why are there different ways in
resolving the paradox?
 Different ways of considering Entropy
 Lin—Static Entropy: consideration of
configurations of fixed particles in a system
 Gibbs & von Neumann—Dynamic Entropy:
dependent of the changes in the dispersal of
energy in the microstates of atoms and
molecules
We cannot compare the two
ways of resolving the paradox!
 Since Lin’s definition of entropy is
essentially different from that of Gibbs
and von Neumann, it is unjustified to
compare the two ways of resolving the
paradox.
Conclusion
 The Gibbs Paradox poses problem to
the second law due to an inadequate
understanding of the system involved.
 Lin’s novel idea sheds new light on
entropy and information theory, but
which also leaves conflicting grey areas
for further exploration.
Acknowledgements
 We would like to thank
Dr. Chin Wee Shong for her support and
guidance throughout the semester
Dr Kuldip Singh for his kind support
And all who have helped in one way or another

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Thermodynamics AND GIBBS PARADOX

  • 1. Thermodynamics and the Gibbs Paradox Presented by: Chua Hui Ying Grace Goh Ying Ying Ng Gek Puey Yvonne
  • 2. Overview  The three laws of thermodynamics  The Gibbs Paradox  The Resolution of the Paradox  Gibbs / Jaynes  Von Neumann  Shu Kun Lin’s revolutionary idea  Conclusion
  • 3. The Three Laws of Thermodynamics  1st Law  Energy is always conserved  2nd Law  Entropy of the Universe always increase  3rd Law  Entropy of a perfect crystalline substance is taken as zero at the absolute temperature of 0K.
  • 4. Unravel the mystery of The Gibbs Paradox
  • 6. Shows obvious increase in entropy (disorder)
  • 7. The mixing of identical gases
  • 8. Shows zero increase in entropy as action is reversible
  • 9. Compare the two scenarios of mixing and we realize that……
  • 10. To resolve the Contradiction  Look at how people do this 1. Gibbs /Jaynes 2. Von Neumann 3. Lin Shu Kun
  • 11. Gibbs’ opinion  When 2 non-identical gases mix and entropy increase, we imply that the gases can be separated and returned to their original state  When 2 identical gases mix, it is impossible to separate the two gases into their original state as there is no recognizable difference between the gases
  • 12. Gibbs’ opinion (2)  Thus, these two cases stand on different footing and should not be compared with each other  The mixing of gases of different kinds that resulted in the entropy change was independent of the nature of the gases  Hence independent of the degree of similarity between them
  • 14. Jaynes’ explanation  The entropy of a macrostate is given as ) ( log ) ( C W k X S  Where S(X) is the entropy associated with a chosen set of macroscopic quantities W(C) is the phase volume occupied by all the microstates in a chosen reference class C
  • 15. Jaynes’ explanation (2)  This thermodynamic entropy S(X) is not a property of a microstate, but of a certain reference class C(X) of microstates  For entropy to always increase, we need to specify the variables we want to control and those we want to change.  Any manipulation of variables outside this chosen set may cause us to see a violation of the second law.
  • 16. Von Neumann’s Resolution  Makes use of the quantum mechanical approach to the problem  He derives the equation           2 log 2 1 log 1 1 log 1 2                   Nk S Where  measures the degree of orthogonality, which is the degree of similarity between the gases.
  • 17. Von Neumann’s Resolution (2)  Hence when  = 0 entropy is at its highest and when  = 1 entropy is at its lowest  Therefore entropy decreases continuously with increasing similarity
  • 19. Resolving the Gibbs Paradox - Using Entropy and its revised relation with Similarity proposed by Lin Shu Kun. • Draws a connection between information theory and entropy • proposed that entropy increases continuously with similarity of the gases
  • 20. Analyse 3 concepts! (1) high symmetry = high similarity, (2) entropy = information loss and (3) similarity = information loss. Why “entropy increases with similarity” ? Due to Lin’s proposition that • entropy is the degree of symmetry and • information is the degree of non-symmetry
  • 21. (1) high symmetry = high similarity • symmetry is a measure of indistinguishability • high symmetry contributes to high indistinguishability similarity can be described as a continuous measure of imperfect symmetry High Symmetry Indistinguishability High similarity
  • 22. (2) entropy = information loss  an increase in entropy means an increase in disorder.  a decrease in entropy reflects an increase in order.  A more ordered system is more highly organized  thus possesses greater information content.
  • 23. Do you have any idea what the picture is all about?
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  • 25. From the previous example, • Greater entropy would result in least information registered  Higher entropy , higher information loss Thus if the system is more ordered, • This means lower entropy and thus less information loss.
  • 26. (3) similarity = information loss. 1 Particle (n-1) particles For a system with distinguishable particles, Information on N particles = different information of each particle = N pieces of information High similarity (high symmetry)  there is greater information loss. For a system with indistinguishable particles, Information of N particles = Information of 1 particle = 1 piece of information
  • 27. Concepts explained: (1) high symmetry = high similarity (2) entropy = information loss and (3) similarity = information loss After establishing the links between the various concepts, If a system is highly symmetrical high similarity Greater information loss Higher entropy
  • 28. The mixing of identical gases (revisited)
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  • 30. Lin’s Resolution of the Gibbs Paradox  Compared to the non-identical gases, we have less information about the identical gases  According to his theory,  less information=higher entropy Therefore, the mixing of gases should result in an increase with entropy.
  • 31. Comparing the 3 graphs Entropy Smax Similarity S=0 Z=0 Z = 1 Entropy Smax Similarity S=0 Z=0 Z = 1 Z=0 Entropy Smax Similarity S=0 Z = 1 Gibbs Von Neumann Lin
  • 32. Why are there different ways in resolving the paradox?  Different ways of considering Entropy  Lin—Static Entropy: consideration of configurations of fixed particles in a system  Gibbs & von Neumann—Dynamic Entropy: dependent of the changes in the dispersal of energy in the microstates of atoms and molecules
  • 33. We cannot compare the two ways of resolving the paradox!  Since Lin’s definition of entropy is essentially different from that of Gibbs and von Neumann, it is unjustified to compare the two ways of resolving the paradox.
  • 34. Conclusion  The Gibbs Paradox poses problem to the second law due to an inadequate understanding of the system involved.  Lin’s novel idea sheds new light on entropy and information theory, but which also leaves conflicting grey areas for further exploration.
  • 35. Acknowledgements  We would like to thank Dr. Chin Wee Shong for her support and guidance throughout the semester Dr Kuldip Singh for his kind support And all who have helped in one way or another