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Basic & Original Thoughts
about Research
• Prof.Dr.R.R.Deshpande
Pune,India
Mobile – 0091- 922 68 10 630
Mail –mailme.drrr...
Review of Previous Thoughts of
Prof.Dr.R.R.Deshpande
• There are many ‘Why’ --• Why Ayush,CCIM,MUHS – still not using e – ...
Now -- New ,Bold Thoughts
• And now let us awake for understanding
the concept of Research ----
Research Tragedies --1
• After acquiring grants of crores --• 1) CCRAS ( Central council of Research in
Ayurveda & Siddha ...
CCRAS
Research Tragedies --2
• 2) Tri skandh kosh of TMV
• 3) Ayursoft software of C – DAC
• Although ,principally they are Good...
Why there are Tragedies or
Failures or poor responses ? -1
• 1) Main reason is a Big Gap in between Stake
holders & Field ...
Why there are Tragedies or
Failures or poor responses ? -2
• 3) Less access with stake holders –
• Why Ayush,CCIM,MUHS – c...
Why there are Tragedies or
Failures or poor responses ? -3
• 4) Fear in the minds of New comers or
Juniors to speak about ...
Why there are Tragedies or
Failures or poor responses ? -4
• 6) Less openness of stalwarts –

Exceptions like R H Singh “ ...
For success & satisfaction
in any Field
• 1) Aptitude – Natural Talent – Some leave
Biology & some leave Maths at 12th.
• ...
Attitude & Aptitude
Attitude + Aptitude = Altitude
Research – What is it ?
• Research is a Aptitude ! (Natural Talent)
• Research is a Attitude ! (Inclination)
• Research is...
These are Real Research Institutes
These are Real Research
Institutes
•
•
•
•

1) Agharkar Institute ,Pune
2) National Chemical Laboratory ,Pune
3) Indian In...
Highly paid post -• Research Fellows - Junior Scientist Senior Scientist -- Project co ordinator -Principal Investigator (...
Then what about Teachers ?
• Most of the Teachers have chosen the Job
or applied for the post of Teachers & not
for the po...
In Implementation of any project
• Force is useless

• Guidelines & Directives can help if they
allow Spontaneousness
How Research takes place ?--1
• 1) Observational or Experienced based
Curiosity ( Dr.Barde J.K ,senior Teacher &
Physician...
How Research takes place ?--2
• 3) Accidental ( Penicilin)

• 4) Intuition ( Neuton – Whether he had
decided Aim & Objecti...
Do like Reverse Pharmacology
• Survey of Senior Vaidyas or Doctors
• Find out Obsevational & Experienced
based Curiosity a...
Examples of Observational
Curiosity -- 1
• 1) Dr.Barde – Use of Amrutadi Guggul in
RA
• 2) Dr.S.Y.Wagh – Effect of Arogyav...
Examples of Observational
Curiosity -- 1
• All examples given in this ppt presentation
can be discussed in detail with int...
Examples of Observational
Curiosity -- 2
• 4) Need of Clarification – Use of Virechana
in Infective Hepatitis A in first w...
Examples of Observational
Curiosity -- 3
• 5) Academic curiosity – Arises while
Teaching the Topics -- Taila bindu – Bad
p...
Why these Examples ?

• This type of information should be sought
& implemented

as mentioned from the next slide ---
Steps of Implementations --1
• Epidemiological study or survey
• should made from nook & corner of India
by Ayush or CCIM ...
Steps of Implementations --2
• Data base should be made of
• 1)successful medicines or Treatments of
successful Ayurvedic ...
Steps of Implementations --3
• Data base should me made of
Curiosities or practical difficulties of
Ayurvedic Teachers ,Dr...
Steps of Implementations --4
• Note the simple problems like –

• We used to give lectures on Daily
Regimen --- How far we...
Steps of Implementations -- 5
• 1) Apex body of Expert practioners &
Academicians & Educationalist –
should make a check l...
Steps of Implementations -- 6
• 2) Team of Technical experts like Ethical
committee or experienced & Interested
scientists...
Steps of Implementations --7
• 3) This ready made check list of Research
Projects will be displayed on web site of
MUHS –
...
Steps of Implementations --8
• 4) MD students will under take that
Research Projects
• 5) PG Teachers will only supervise ...
What is Today’s situation ? --1
• 1) Anybody – student or Teacher –
Haphazardly decide any topic – make his
ideas ,imagina...
What is Today’s situation ? --2
• 2) Lot of Duplications

• 3) Most of the research projects end at the
level of Thesis – ...
What is Today’s situation ? --3
• 4) Any research work should be
‘Practically useful’(Lokabhimukh or
Doctorabhimukh)
• 5) ...
I am fortunate -- 1
• 1) After my 1st MD in Chikitsa – Amrutadi
Guggul in RA – Ayurved Rasashala
started manufacturing & s...
I am fortunate -- 2
• 3) After my Integrated Research work with
Sharangdhar & Diabetic Association of
India –
I understand...
I am fortunate -- 3
• Scientific & sincere Activities & clarification
of thoughts in the field of Research was
appreciated...
Appreciations --
Effect of Improper Implimentation-1
• Confusions in the working methods of IEC
• 1) Role of Ethical committee members is
n...
Effect of Improper Implimentation-2
• Other members like Advocate ,Society
member can only see weather legally or
otherwis...
But what happens in IEC -• Any body stands up & challenge the Topic
• Other stands up & take objection on
number of volunt...
Many Thanks for
your valuable Time --1
• My Presentation is not for debate or
challenge to any particular person
• This pr...
Many Thanks for
your valuable Time --2
• This is a matter for Managerial people ,if
agree about – to put forth at stake ho...
One last Request -• Let us make some time to allow me to
read interesting atticles about Dr.Abhay
Bang & Dr.Baviskar --• N...
KEEP SMILING
Smiling is
Infectious,
You can catch it
like the flu …
Someone smiled at
me today,
And I started
smiling too ...
Share your views with me
• Prof.Dr.R.R.Deshpande
Pune,India
Mobile – 0091- 922 68 10 630
Mail –mailme.drrrdeshpande@
redif...
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Research Activity can not be done by forceful Implementation –Why ?
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Basic & original thoughts about research by Prof.Dr.R.R.Deshpande

  1. 1. Basic & Original Thoughts about Research • Prof.Dr.R.R.Deshpande Pune,India Mobile – 0091- 922 68 10 630 Mail –mailme.drrrdeshpande@ rediffmail.com
  2. 2. Review of Previous Thoughts of Prof.Dr.R.R.Deshpande • There are many ‘Why’ --• Why Ayush,CCIM,MUHS – still not using e – Tecnology to keep records of colleges ? • Why they ask the same Basic Information of colleges & Teachers everytime ? • Why they like to make wastage of Papers ,Time & Energy --? • Why they do not sit & talk with different groups of Teachers & discuss seriously in spite of Flying visit -- ? Why they can not make Visit in only college time only -? • So there may be lot of Why -- & Why -- ?
  3. 3. Now -- New ,Bold Thoughts • And now let us awake for understanding the concept of Research ----
  4. 4. Research Tragedies --1 • After acquiring grants of crores --• 1) CCRAS ( Central council of Research in Ayurveda & Siddha ) – Which are products & where they are available ? – Dr.RRD asked question to the secretary Ayush around 7 years back at Sukhada ,Pune Dr.Lavlekar admit the lacunae --
  5. 5. CCRAS
  6. 6. Research Tragedies --2 • 2) Tri skandh kosh of TMV • 3) Ayursoft software of C – DAC • Although ,principally they are Good Projects -Whether post launch survey has made of the market – How many people are using it on day today basis & How much is the practical utility of it ? – • It is need of time to Publish this data statistically with details of users --
  7. 7. Why there are Tragedies or Failures or poor responses ? -1 • 1) Main reason is a Big Gap in between Stake holders & Field workers – • 2) Very seldom surveys are made to understand the opinions or problems in the field – • Example –In Teaching methodology – It is taught about LCD presentation & Horizontal ,vertical Teaching – But nobody makes previous study of how many Ayurvedic colleges have LCD etc
  8. 8. Why there are Tragedies or Failures or poor responses ? -2 • 3) Less access with stake holders – • Why Ayush,CCIM,MUHS – can appoint few PRO s to access every day mails & answer the Teacher may be freshly appointed & may be working at remote village of India ? • All these institutes should have Call center like facility 24 x 7 days,to answer questions from field workers(Teachers,Practioners)
  9. 9. Why there are Tragedies or Failures or poor responses ? -3 • 4) Fear in the minds of New comers or Juniors to speak about existing system • 5) Fear of the common people to comment against the Traditional set ups –
  10. 10. Why there are Tragedies or Failures or poor responses ? -4 • 6) Less openness of stalwarts – Exceptions like R H Singh “ We do not know methods – let Ayush should teach us’ or Dr.Baghel ‘Ready to cooperate ARDB’(Ayurved Research Data Base – Project)
  11. 11. For success & satisfaction in any Field • 1) Aptitude – Natural Talent – Some leave Biology & some leave Maths at 12th. • 2) Attitude – Inclination– • 3) Capabilities – Ability • 4) Resource – means ( Instruments & Funds)
  12. 12. Attitude & Aptitude
  13. 13. Attitude + Aptitude = Altitude
  14. 14. Research – What is it ? • Research is a Aptitude ! (Natural Talent) • Research is a Attitude ! (Inclination) • Research is a full time Job & of course paid Job --
  15. 15. These are Real Research Institutes
  16. 16. These are Real Research Institutes • • • • 1) Agharkar Institute ,Pune 2) National Chemical Laboratory ,Pune 3) Indian Institute of Tropical Meterology In all above Institutes those people only join who have Attitude & Aptitude for Research .They do full time Research .They are paid for it .
  17. 17. Highly paid post -• Research Fellows - Junior Scientist Senior Scientist -- Project co ordinator -Principal Investigator (PI) • All are expected to make Research activities day in & day out – for which they are highly paid ( & of course each one has chosen that as a career)
  18. 18. Then what about Teachers ? • Most of the Teachers have chosen the Job or applied for the post of Teachers & not for the post of Researcher or Scientist – Am I right or wrong ? • Researcher also should be born & can not be made – • In born qualities are more Important than acquired by different Trainings --
  19. 19. In Implementation of any project • Force is useless • Guidelines & Directives can help if they allow Spontaneousness
  20. 20. How Research takes place ?--1 • 1) Observational or Experienced based Curiosity ( Dr.Barde J.K ,senior Teacher & Physician gave me subject of Amrutadi Guggul in RA,based on his successful experiences ) • 2) Need or necessity ( Dr.Bavaskar ,who found out drug for Scorpion bite & Dr.Abhay Bang in Gadchiroli)
  21. 21. How Research takes place ?--2 • 3) Accidental ( Penicilin) • 4) Intuition ( Neuton – Whether he had decided Aim & Objectives ,Material & Methods ? --)
  22. 22. Do like Reverse Pharmacology • Survey of Senior Vaidyas or Doctors • Find out Obsevational & Experienced based Curiosity about successful medicines • Find out Need or necessity of Medical Fraternity
  23. 23. Examples of Observational Curiosity -- 1 • 1) Dr.Barde – Use of Amrutadi Guggul in RA • 2) Dr.S.Y.Wagh – Effect of Arogyavardhini & Kumari asav in Viral Hepatitis A • 3) Attitude – Dr.SY.Wagh – Use of Fresh Punarnava Decoction through RT in cerebral oedema due to CCF
  24. 24. Examples of Observational Curiosity -- 1 • All examples given in this ppt presentation can be discussed in detail with interested person by just calling Prof.Dr.R.R.Deshpande on • 922 68 10 630
  25. 25. Examples of Observational Curiosity -- 2 • 4) Need of Clarification – Use of Virechana in Infective Hepatitis A in first week • 5) Need of Clarification – Time to give Virechana medicines – Early in the morning or at 10.30 AM
  26. 26. Examples of Observational Curiosity -- 3 • 5) Academic curiosity – Arises while Teaching the Topics -- Taila bindu – Bad prognosis in Terminal stages of HIV or Cancer • 6) Observational & Academic Curiosity – Use of Satapa Kadha(Decoction) & Krumimudgara rasa – in Amoebiasis to check stool for E.h
  27. 27. Why these Examples ? • This type of information should be sought & implemented as mentioned from the next slide ---
  28. 28. Steps of Implementations --1 • Epidemiological study or survey • should made from nook & corner of India by Ayush or CCIM or MUHS
  29. 29. Steps of Implementations --2 • Data base should be made of • 1)successful medicines or Treatments of successful Ayurvedic Practioners ( Claims of Dr.Ramdas Avad in Panchakarma Book,Successful formulae from Vaidyas like Y.G.Joshi,Nanal,Jamadagni,Gadgil, Velankar,Pavaskar,Milind Kulkarni etc -- ) – There are many success stories with many vaidyas .
  30. 30. Steps of Implementations --3 • Data base should me made of Curiosities or practical difficulties of Ayurvedic Teachers ,Drug manufacturers or any body concern with Human Health Note the problems like Ban Plants(Puskarmul) or unavailable plants (Dashamul) & alternatives supplied by shopkeepers -- Identification
  31. 31. Steps of Implementations --4 • Note the simple problems like – • We used to give lectures on Daily Regimen --- How far we collect the data after using Rasanjan or Surma -- ??
  32. 32. Steps of Implementations -- 5 • 1) Apex body of Expert practioners & Academicians & Educationalist – should make a check list of possible research topics .
  33. 33. Steps of Implementations -- 6 • 2) Team of Technical experts like Ethical committee or experienced & Interested scientists should prepare --The Research Project in detail including Title,Aim & Objectives ,Material & methods etc
  34. 34. Steps of Implementations --7 • 3) This ready made check list of Research Projects will be displayed on web site of MUHS – MD students & colleges will select projects as per their interests & resources available at their places
  35. 35. Steps of Implementations --8 • 4) MD students will under take that Research Projects • 5) PG Teachers will only supervise these projects
  36. 36. What is Today’s situation ? --1 • 1) Anybody – student or Teacher – Haphazardly decide any topic – make his ideas ,imaginations – lot of objections,critics ,many anti questions without any solutions – frustrations to students & Teachers – or False Victory or false failures
  37. 37. What is Today’s situation ? --2 • 2) Lot of Duplications • 3) Most of the research projects end at the level of Thesis – Scarcely any research is implemented in day today medical practice
  38. 38. What is Today’s situation ? --3 • 4) Any research work should be ‘Practically useful’(Lokabhimukh or Doctorabhimukh) • 5) Even periodically Research should be made to evaluate the Utility of completed Researches
  39. 39. I am fortunate -- 1 • 1) After my 1st MD in Chikitsa – Amrutadi Guggul in RA – Ayurved Rasashala started manufacturing & selling Amrutadi Guggul • 2) After my 2nd MD in Kriya – MUHS Journal added Step Test in the Practical of Bala Parikshan
  40. 40. I am fortunate -- 2 • 3) After my Integrated Research work with Sharangdhar & Diabetic Association of India – I understand the effect of Tab DBT in DM & then I am using right now for my father –
  41. 41. I am fortunate -- 3 • Scientific & sincere Activities & clarification of thoughts in the field of Research was appreciated by --Khadivale Vaidya Sansthan by giving me M.V Kolhatkar Sanshodhan Puraskar --
  42. 42. Appreciations --
  43. 43. Effect of Improper Implimentation-1 • Confusions in the working methods of IEC • 1) Role of Ethical committee members is not crystal clear many times • 2) As per my personal opinion – • Subject expert may only comment on Title,Material & methods • Statistician may tell correct Test for that project
  44. 44. Effect of Improper Implimentation-2 • Other members like Advocate ,Society member can only see weather legally or otherwise Research is making any harm to Enviornment or society • Chairman can only try to coordinate opinions of all members
  45. 45. But what happens in IEC -• Any body stands up & challenge the Topic • Other stands up & take objection on number of volunteers or method • Everybody has his own idea about the same Research Project • Very seldom anybody wants to respect the view’s of student’s or Guide
  46. 46. Many Thanks for your valuable Time --1 • My Presentation is not for debate or challenge to any particular person • This presentation is Natural Expression from my Heart – • This is a matter to be think about – • This is a matter if agree about ,to be spread all around
  47. 47. Many Thanks for your valuable Time --2 • This is a matter for Managerial people ,if agree about – to put forth at stake holder’s meeting for consensus • And this is ,if not acceptable – Then for Forget & Forgive to Prof.Dr.R.R.Deshpande • Thanks & OM Shanti !!!
  48. 48. One last Request -• Let us make some time to allow me to read interesting atticles about Dr.Abhay Bang & Dr.Baviskar --• No --- No ,not now --- may be some time in future --- Thanks !!
  49. 49. KEEP SMILING Smiling is Infectious, You can catch it like the flu … Someone smiled at me today, And I started smiling too !!!
  50. 50. Share your views with me • Prof.Dr.R.R.Deshpande Pune,India Mobile – 0091- 922 68 10 630 Mail –mailme.drrrdeshpande@ rediffmail.com www.ayurvedicfriend.com

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