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Moving from Business Analyst to
Product Owner to Product Manager
Kent J. McDonald
kentjmcdonald@gmail.com
https://insideproduct.co/bbc-2023
A little bit about me
Industrial
engineer by
training
Recovering agile
coach
Started Business
Analysis to
learn IT
Unemployable
Write to learn
and earn
Proj Mgr / BA
rotation
Content
Creator/ Trainer
Practice to stay
current
Product
manager for
Enabling
Products
A little bit about you
Stand up if you are a…
Business
Analyst
Product
Owner Product
Manager
Roles
Product People
Play
McDonald’s Product Role Hypothesis
The only
consistency
in product
roles is that
there is no
consistency.
“All models are wrong,
but some are useful.”
- George E. P. Box
What product people do -
a gross oversimplification
Create a
solution
That solves a
customer problem
And meets
business
Goals
Product Management
ProductTeam Competencies https://nealcabage.com/framework/product-team-competencies/
Product Manager
Different PM’s specialize in different areas
JR PM
B2C
PM
Internal
Tools/
B2B PM
SR PM
Product Owner
Business Analyst
Why move into
product?
Why move into product?
Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics
Job Openings (April 27,2023 USA) Salaries (April 27, 2023 USA per Glassdoor)
Role LinkedIn Indeed
Product
Manager
140,241 13,924
Product
Owner
81,343 9,369
Business
Analyst
40,243 12,806
Role Min Average Max
Product
Manager
61,000 102,223 170,000
Product
Owner
57,000 90,409 143,000
Business
Analyst
51,000 76,498 115,000
More
Jobs
More
Money
Why become a product owner?
Prefer working
with devs &
Designers to
build solution
Your org has
gone through
agile
transformation
PO = BA +
Decisions
Why become a product manager?
Want to work
with product
team in both
areas
Your org is
going through
product
transformation
PM = BA +
Decisions +
Experiments +
user research
Product Transformation
Project Orientation Product Orientation
How much will this cost? Budgeting How much are we
willing to spend?
Fixed Duration Time Frame Entire Product LifeCycle
Deliver an assigned solution Defn of Scope Asked to Solve a problem
Output, on Time, in Budget Success Accomplish Outcome
Temporary, Split Focus,
Pulled from Resource Pools
Team Makeup Stable, dedicated,
All Needed Skills
Build only Team Owns Build and Run
Expense IT Org Investment
How to move into
product
Gratuitous
2x2 Matrix
Teams
that own
Systems in
your org
teams that
own your
orgs
Products
B2C or
B2B SaaS
Products
Same type
of system,
different
org
Enabling product
Teams
that own
Systems in
your org
teams that
own your
orgs
Products
B2C or
B2B SaaS
Products
Same type
of system,
different
org
Pick up strategy
skills
Figure out how
to measure
outcomes
Find the teams
already “doing”
product
Practice
discovery with
your users
Figure out how
your work
impacts
customers
Teams
that own
Systems in
your org
teams that
own your
orgs
Products
B2C or
B2B SaaS
Products
Same type
of system,
different
org
Build a network
through events
like this
Find companies
in an industry
you’re familiar
with
Describe your BA
work in product
terms
Practice user
research on
Org’s customers
Learn what you
can about
target Org’s
strategies
Revenue Product
Teams
that own
Systems in
your org
teams that
own your
orgs
Products
B2C or
B2B SaaS
Products
Same type
of system,
different
org
Work on
customer facing
systems as an
interim step
Be very familiar
with your org’s
products
Practice
discovery on your
org’s customers
Familiarize
yourself with
Market and
Competitors
Network with
Product
Managers in
your org
Teams
that own
Systems in
your org
teams that
own your
orgs
Products
B2C or
B2B SaaS
Products
Same type
of system,
different
org
Consider B2B
Enterprise
products
Create your own
product
Find companies
in an industry
you’re familiar
with
TRY.
THE.
PRODUCT.
Describe your BA
experience in
product terms
Lessons
Learned
Don’t worry about title, focus on skills
Title: Delivery Lead
What I Did: Map current state, design database, model
processes, IDentify Business RUles, Coach team
Explain how BA experience applies to
Product Management
Focus on accomplishments instead of activity
How did you help customers solve problems, and meet
business objectives
Do Discovery (and Analysis) in increments
Refinement Board
Delivery Board
Acquire additional skills while in your BA role
Usability Testing Roadmap
Much Thanks To
Kent J McDonald
kentjmcdonald@gmail.com
insideproduct.co/bbc-2023
Connect on LinkedIn
linkedin.com/in/kentmcdonald
Subscribe to InsideProduct
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Moving from Business Analyst to Product Owner to Product Manager

  • 1. Moving from Business Analyst to Product Owner to Product Manager Kent J. McDonald kentjmcdonald@gmail.com https://insideproduct.co/bbc-2023
  • 2. A little bit about me Industrial engineer by training Recovering agile coach Started Business Analysis to learn IT Unemployable Write to learn and earn Proj Mgr / BA rotation Content Creator/ Trainer Practice to stay current Product manager for Enabling Products
  • 3. A little bit about you Stand up if you are a… Business Analyst Product Owner Product Manager
  • 5. McDonald’s Product Role Hypothesis The only consistency in product roles is that there is no consistency.
  • 6. “All models are wrong, but some are useful.” - George E. P. Box
  • 7. What product people do - a gross oversimplification Create a solution That solves a customer problem And meets business Goals
  • 8. Product Management ProductTeam Competencies https://nealcabage.com/framework/product-team-competencies/
  • 9. Product Manager Different PM’s specialize in different areas JR PM B2C PM Internal Tools/ B2B PM SR PM
  • 13. Why move into product? Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics Job Openings (April 27,2023 USA) Salaries (April 27, 2023 USA per Glassdoor) Role LinkedIn Indeed Product Manager 140,241 13,924 Product Owner 81,343 9,369 Business Analyst 40,243 12,806 Role Min Average Max Product Manager 61,000 102,223 170,000 Product Owner 57,000 90,409 143,000 Business Analyst 51,000 76,498 115,000 More Jobs More Money
  • 14. Why become a product owner? Prefer working with devs & Designers to build solution Your org has gone through agile transformation PO = BA + Decisions
  • 15. Why become a product manager? Want to work with product team in both areas Your org is going through product transformation PM = BA + Decisions + Experiments + user research
  • 16. Product Transformation Project Orientation Product Orientation How much will this cost? Budgeting How much are we willing to spend? Fixed Duration Time Frame Entire Product LifeCycle Deliver an assigned solution Defn of Scope Asked to Solve a problem Output, on Time, in Budget Success Accomplish Outcome Temporary, Split Focus, Pulled from Resource Pools Team Makeup Stable, dedicated, All Needed Skills Build only Team Owns Build and Run Expense IT Org Investment
  • 17. How to move into product
  • 18. Gratuitous 2x2 Matrix Teams that own Systems in your org teams that own your orgs Products B2C or B2B SaaS Products Same type of system, different org
  • 20. Teams that own Systems in your org teams that own your orgs Products B2C or B2B SaaS Products Same type of system, different org Pick up strategy skills Figure out how to measure outcomes Find the teams already “doing” product Practice discovery with your users Figure out how your work impacts customers
  • 21. Teams that own Systems in your org teams that own your orgs Products B2C or B2B SaaS Products Same type of system, different org Build a network through events like this Find companies in an industry you’re familiar with Describe your BA work in product terms Practice user research on Org’s customers Learn what you can about target Org’s strategies
  • 23. Teams that own Systems in your org teams that own your orgs Products B2C or B2B SaaS Products Same type of system, different org Work on customer facing systems as an interim step Be very familiar with your org’s products Practice discovery on your org’s customers Familiarize yourself with Market and Competitors Network with Product Managers in your org
  • 24. Teams that own Systems in your org teams that own your orgs Products B2C or B2B SaaS Products Same type of system, different org Consider B2B Enterprise products Create your own product Find companies in an industry you’re familiar with TRY. THE. PRODUCT. Describe your BA experience in product terms
  • 26. Don’t worry about title, focus on skills Title: Delivery Lead What I Did: Map current state, design database, model processes, IDentify Business RUles, Coach team
  • 27. Explain how BA experience applies to Product Management Focus on accomplishments instead of activity How did you help customers solve problems, and meet business objectives
  • 28. Do Discovery (and Analysis) in increments Refinement Board Delivery Board
  • 29. Acquire additional skills while in your BA role Usability Testing Roadmap
  • 31. Kent J McDonald kentjmcdonald@gmail.com insideproduct.co/bbc-2023 Connect on LinkedIn linkedin.com/in/kentmcdonald Subscribe to InsideProduct pages.insideproduct.co