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PRESENTED BY:
Myths & Truths - Building a
Product
NOVEMBER 20, 2014
PRESENTED BY:
PRESENTERS:
JERROD BAILEY
PARTNER & PRACTICE LEAD, TALLWAVE
JON HALL
DIRECTOR OF SALES DELIVERY,
TALLWAVE
AGENDA
WWW.TALLWAVE.COM/SPRINGBOARD INFO@TALLWAVE.COM
Myth 1: You need a product before you can start selling
Myth 2: You need sales experience to sell
Myth 3: Finding new prospects is a networking and phone
calling grind
Myth 4: You don’t have enough time to sell on top of
everything else
Myth 5: An expensive sales guy with a good rolodex is
what you need to grow
Myth 6: A great product will sell itself
INTRODUCTION
JERROD BAILEY
Partner
Tallwave LLC
15 yr start-up operator and
enterprise. 3 start-ups, 3 exits.
Works with Tallwave portfolio and
client companies to build scalable
systems for growth (but hacks his
way to get there).
In a previous life:
● UUNET (first Tier 1 ISP), sold to
MFS for $2B
● Virtela ($70M venture backed,
sold to NTT for $520M)
WWW.TALLWAVE.COM/SPRINGBOARD INFO@TALLWAVE.COM
INTRODUCTION
Jon Hall
Director of Sales Delivery, Tallwave
15 year tech sales leader at Revana
(Built scalable sales teams for
companies like IBM, Sony, Toshiba
and Hewlett Packard.)
Jon knows that successful sales
teams are not built overnight. It
begins with scaleable sales systems
and wrapping them around the right
talent. Jon builds sales systems for
Tallwave portfolio companies and
clients.
WWW.TALLWAVE.COM/SPRINGBOARD INFO@TALLWAVE.COM
THE MYTHS
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MYTH #1: YOU NEED A PRODUCT BEFORE
YOU CAN START SELLING
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MISCONCEPTION
“You don’t want to sell something that isn’t
ready.”
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REALITY #2
If your customer won’t buy off
on your concept, why would
you go build the actual
software?
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• Demonstrate market demand for potential investors.
Heck, demonstrate it for yourself!
• If you’ve got a real value proposition, they’ll gladly wait.
They’ll even help you develop the idea.
TRUTH: Sell as early as you have a concept that someone
can react to
WWW.TALLWAVE.COM/SPRINGBOARD INFO@TALLWAVE.COM
Simple Landing Page Clickable Prototype
Cheap or Free
Acquisition
Explainer Video
TIPS:
1. Cheap Prototyping Tools: InVision, UXPin,
Solidify, proto.io
2. Low-cost Outsourcing: Elance, fiverr, or
oDesk
3. Landing Page: Unbounce or Launchrock
4. Explainer Video: GoAnimate
5. Finding Leads: PPC (Google Adwords) or
LinkedIn prospecting
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MYTH #2: YOU NEED SALES EXPERIENCE
TO SELL
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MISCONCEPTION
“I’m the [marketer, developer]. It’s up to a
salesperson to sell.”
Fear, Tunnel Vision
REALITY:
No one believes in the product more than you.
If you can’t sell it… who can?
The only thing you can count on is that you will have at least
one major pivot before your idea sticks. How quickly do you
want to get there?
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THE TRUTH: The best startup salespeople are
engineers and teachers
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“PowerPoint makes us stupid,”
Gen. James N. Mattis of the Marine Corps
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Image: http://blog.healthjobsnationwide.com/different-types-of-therapy-jobs/
The Best Startup Salespeople Act Like
Anthropologists and Psychologists
TIPS:
1. Spend 90% of your meeting asking questions.
Listen.
2. No more than 10 slides
3. Explain your concept in a single picture (who is
your buyer, their current reality, and their future
reality with your product?)
4. Leave jargon, features, at home. Offer up
outcomes and ask if each is valuable
5. Layer in 2 or 3 key facts or anecdotes to support
your most important assumptions
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MYTH #3: FINDING NEW PROSPECTS IS A
NETWORKING AND PHONE CALL GRIND
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MISCONCEPTION
“If you’re going to sell, you have to pick up
the phone.”
“These are strangers. I can’t even begin to
guess how I would get in front of them!”
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REALITY
Prospecting has fundamentally changed in
the last 2 years. LinkedIn and Apps have
hyper-connected us and created better
pathways to discover, meet and sell.
1-3%
Open Rate
1-30%
Open Rate
TRADITIONAL INBOXES
ALTERNATIVE INBOXES
80-90%
Open Rate
• Super List Building: Use
Boolean expressions in
LinkedIn “Advanced
Search”
• The mechanics of
connecting and asking for a
meeting can be outsourced
or automated
THE TRUTH:
YOU CAN FIND INTERESTED CUSTOMERS
TOMORROW FOR CHEAP (OR FREE)
WWW.TALLWAVE.COM/SPRINGBOARD INFO@TALLWAVE.COM
MYTH #4: YOU DON’T HAVE ENOUGH TIME
TO SELL ON TOP OF EVERYTHING ELSE
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MISCONCEPTION
“Selling Takes a lot of Time”
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REALITY #1
Investors look for traction and your ability to
make progress. You can’t afford not to sell.
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Sales is, in fact, a numbers game.
(But you can automate most of it.)
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• Specialize your sales.
Break out low-level
functions and find ways to
automate or outsource
them
• Building and
Maintaining Lists
• Prospecting
• Scheduling
• Writing Quotes /
Proposals
• Follow-up / Nurture
THE TRUTH: WITH A MIX OF CHEAP TOOLS AND OVERSEAS
RESOURCES, YOU CAN AUTOMATE YOUR WHOLE SALES
FUNNEL
WWW.TALLWAVE.COM/SPRINGBOARD INFO@TALLWAVE.COM
TIPS:
1. Create great lists of your target customers using Import.
io, SalesLoft, Spyderbook, HiringSolved, and BuiltWith
2. Prospecting via LinkedIn, Twitter, Email doesn’t require
you to do the work. Outsource it (e.g. ODesk)
3. Automate your prospecting with tools like Socedo and
Ofunnel
4. Nurture with Hubspot or Infusionsoft
If you have 2 hours of “prospecting time” per week. Every
minute should be spent actually talking to prospects.
Nothing else.
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MYTH #5: AN EXPENSIVE SALES GUY
WITH A GOOD ROLODEX IS WHAT YOU
NEED TO GROW
WWW.TALLWAVE.COM/SPRINGBOARD INFO@TALLWAVE.COM
MISCONCEPTION: “YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR
CONNECTIVITY”
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TRUTH: A SALES SYSTEM BEATS AN EXPENSIVE
SALESPERSON EVERY TIME
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1. 95% OF A TYPICAL SALESPERSON’S “NETWORK”
IS OLD, IRRELEVANT OR NOT IN A POSITION TO
BUY
2. Having a compelling product and a method to expose that product to many
buyers is the only sustainable path to success.
3. If most people have only 1 or 2 really good contacts, don’t hire them.
Rather, get good at asking for referrals. BONUS: Write a Referral
Agreement.
Sales System vs
Sales Guy
Prospecting Qualifying Closing
15
hrs/week
15
hrs/week
10
hrs/week
Total Cost: $125K
$125K
Sales System vs
Sales Guy
50
hrs/week
233%
Prospecting Qualifying Closing
20
hrs/week
33%
20
hrs/week
100%
Total Cost: $95K
24%
$80K
$15K
Sales System vs
Sales Guy
Prospecting Qualifying Closing
90
hrs/week
500%
40
hrs/week
160%
40
hrs/week
300%
$80K$15K
$15K
$45K
Total Cost: $155K
24%
TIPS:
• Every meeting should end in, “who do you know
that would be interested in hearing this?”
• Don’t hire your first VP of Sales until you’ve
achieved $1M in revenue
• Systematize your sales process. Start by
specializing your prospecting function.
WWW.TALLWAVE.COM/SPRINGBOARD INFO@TALLWAVE.COM
MYTH #6: A GREAT PRODUCT WILL SELL
ITSELF
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MISCONCEPTION
“Our plan is to completely automate the
marketing and sales process. We’ll have a
self-serve revenue machine with no sales
reps at all.”
Wishful thinking, distorted perception
WWW.TALLWAVE.COM/SPRINGBOARD INFO@TALLWAVE.COM
“Inbound-only
marketing is like waiting
for the phone to ring”
-Matt Heinz, Heinz Marketing
Image: http://smsrd.com/blog/making-the-phone-ring/
While 60% of your buyer’s decision is made before
they talk to someone1
, they still want to talk to
someone.
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(1) Source: Forbes 2013 http://www.forbes.com/sites/gyro/2013/01/07/the-disappearing-sales-process/
http://icmoly.wordpress.com/2012/10/26/online-learning/who-is-icm-girl-smiling-2/
WWW.TALLWAVE.COM/SPRINGBOARD INFO@TALLWAVE.COM
Hundreds of leads per month through SEO,
Banner Ads and other digital methods.
~30 Inside Sales Reps
30% close rate
TIPS:
• Learn as fast and as early as possible
• You can only learn by reaching out to strangers
• Think in terms of systems, set them up, and let
them run
WWW.TALLWAVE.COM/SPRINGBOARD INFO@TALLWAVE.COM
A 2-WEEK SALES ACCELERATION AND SYSTEMATIZATION
SPRINT
Accelerate consistent revenue
Make yourself and your team 3x more efficient and effective
Offload 90% of menial sales work
Sell more, with less friction and fewer objections
Meet real prospects and see how well your sales machine works
TALLWAVE.COM/SPRINGBOARD INFO@TALLWAVE.COM
PRESENTED BY:
Myths & Truths - Building a
Product
OCTOBER 29, 2014
PRESENTED BY:
PRESENTERS:
JERROD BAILEY
VP, SALES TEAM, TALLWAVE
jerrod.bailey@tallawave.com
JON HALL
DIR, SALES TEAM, TALLWAVE, jon.
hall@tallwave.com

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Tallwave: Myths & Truths: Building a Sales System

  • 1. PRESENTED BY: Myths & Truths - Building a Product NOVEMBER 20, 2014 PRESENTED BY: PRESENTERS: JERROD BAILEY PARTNER & PRACTICE LEAD, TALLWAVE JON HALL DIRECTOR OF SALES DELIVERY, TALLWAVE
  • 2. AGENDA WWW.TALLWAVE.COM/SPRINGBOARD INFO@TALLWAVE.COM Myth 1: You need a product before you can start selling Myth 2: You need sales experience to sell Myth 3: Finding new prospects is a networking and phone calling grind Myth 4: You don’t have enough time to sell on top of everything else Myth 5: An expensive sales guy with a good rolodex is what you need to grow Myth 6: A great product will sell itself
  • 3. INTRODUCTION JERROD BAILEY Partner Tallwave LLC 15 yr start-up operator and enterprise. 3 start-ups, 3 exits. Works with Tallwave portfolio and client companies to build scalable systems for growth (but hacks his way to get there). In a previous life: ● UUNET (first Tier 1 ISP), sold to MFS for $2B ● Virtela ($70M venture backed, sold to NTT for $520M) WWW.TALLWAVE.COM/SPRINGBOARD INFO@TALLWAVE.COM
  • 4. INTRODUCTION Jon Hall Director of Sales Delivery, Tallwave 15 year tech sales leader at Revana (Built scalable sales teams for companies like IBM, Sony, Toshiba and Hewlett Packard.) Jon knows that successful sales teams are not built overnight. It begins with scaleable sales systems and wrapping them around the right talent. Jon builds sales systems for Tallwave portfolio companies and clients. WWW.TALLWAVE.COM/SPRINGBOARD INFO@TALLWAVE.COM
  • 6. MYTH #1: YOU NEED A PRODUCT BEFORE YOU CAN START SELLING WWW.TALLWAVE.COM/SPRINGBOARD INFO@TALLWAVE.COM
  • 7. MISCONCEPTION “You don’t want to sell something that isn’t ready.” WWW.TALLWAVE.COM/SPRINGBOARD INFO@TALLWAVE.COM
  • 8. REALITY #2 If your customer won’t buy off on your concept, why would you go build the actual software? WWW.TALLWAVE.COM/SPRINGBOARD INFO@TALLWAVE.COM • Demonstrate market demand for potential investors. Heck, demonstrate it for yourself! • If you’ve got a real value proposition, they’ll gladly wait. They’ll even help you develop the idea.
  • 9. TRUTH: Sell as early as you have a concept that someone can react to WWW.TALLWAVE.COM/SPRINGBOARD INFO@TALLWAVE.COM Simple Landing Page Clickable Prototype Cheap or Free Acquisition Explainer Video
  • 10. TIPS: 1. Cheap Prototyping Tools: InVision, UXPin, Solidify, proto.io 2. Low-cost Outsourcing: Elance, fiverr, or oDesk 3. Landing Page: Unbounce or Launchrock 4. Explainer Video: GoAnimate 5. Finding Leads: PPC (Google Adwords) or LinkedIn prospecting WWW.TALLWAVE.COM/SPRINGBOARD INFO@TALLWAVE.COM
  • 11. MYTH #2: YOU NEED SALES EXPERIENCE TO SELL WWW.TALLWAVE.COM/SPRINGBOARD INFO@TALLWAVE.COM
  • 12. WWW.TALLWAVE.COM/SPRINGBOARD INFO@TALLWAVE.COM MISCONCEPTION “I’m the [marketer, developer]. It’s up to a salesperson to sell.” Fear, Tunnel Vision
  • 13. REALITY: No one believes in the product more than you. If you can’t sell it… who can? The only thing you can count on is that you will have at least one major pivot before your idea sticks. How quickly do you want to get there? WWW.TALLWAVE.COM/SPRINGBOARD INFO@TALLWAVE.COM
  • 14. THE TRUTH: The best startup salespeople are engineers and teachers WWW.TALLWAVE.COM/SPRINGBOARD INFO@TALLWAVE.COM
  • 15. WWW.TALLWAVE.COM/SPRINGBOARD INFO@TALLWAVE.COM “PowerPoint makes us stupid,” Gen. James N. Mattis of the Marine Corps
  • 17. TIPS: 1. Spend 90% of your meeting asking questions. Listen. 2. No more than 10 slides 3. Explain your concept in a single picture (who is your buyer, their current reality, and their future reality with your product?) 4. Leave jargon, features, at home. Offer up outcomes and ask if each is valuable 5. Layer in 2 or 3 key facts or anecdotes to support your most important assumptions WWW.TALLWAVE.COM/SPRINGBOARD INFO@TALLWAVE.COM
  • 18. MYTH #3: FINDING NEW PROSPECTS IS A NETWORKING AND PHONE CALL GRIND WWW.TALLWAVE.COM/SPRINGBOARD INFO@TALLWAVE.COM
  • 19. MISCONCEPTION “If you’re going to sell, you have to pick up the phone.” “These are strangers. I can’t even begin to guess how I would get in front of them!” WWW.TALLWAVE.COM/SPRINGBOARD INFO@TALLWAVE.COM
  • 20. WWW.TALLWAVE.COM/SPRINGBOARD INFO@TALLWAVE.COM REALITY Prospecting has fundamentally changed in the last 2 years. LinkedIn and Apps have hyper-connected us and created better pathways to discover, meet and sell.
  • 23. • Super List Building: Use Boolean expressions in LinkedIn “Advanced Search” • The mechanics of connecting and asking for a meeting can be outsourced or automated THE TRUTH: YOU CAN FIND INTERESTED CUSTOMERS TOMORROW FOR CHEAP (OR FREE) WWW.TALLWAVE.COM/SPRINGBOARD INFO@TALLWAVE.COM
  • 24. MYTH #4: YOU DON’T HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO SELL ON TOP OF EVERYTHING ELSE WWW.TALLWAVE.COM/SPRINGBOARD INFO@TALLWAVE.COM
  • 25. MISCONCEPTION “Selling Takes a lot of Time” WWW.TALLWAVE.COM/SPRINGBOARD INFO@TALLWAVE.COM
  • 26. REALITY #1 Investors look for traction and your ability to make progress. You can’t afford not to sell. WWW.TALLWAVE.COM/SPRINGBOARD INFO@TALLWAVE.COM
  • 27. Sales is, in fact, a numbers game. (But you can automate most of it.) WWW.TALLWAVE.COM/SPRINGBOARD INFO@TALLWAVE.COM
  • 28. • Specialize your sales. Break out low-level functions and find ways to automate or outsource them • Building and Maintaining Lists • Prospecting • Scheduling • Writing Quotes / Proposals • Follow-up / Nurture THE TRUTH: WITH A MIX OF CHEAP TOOLS AND OVERSEAS RESOURCES, YOU CAN AUTOMATE YOUR WHOLE SALES FUNNEL WWW.TALLWAVE.COM/SPRINGBOARD INFO@TALLWAVE.COM
  • 29. TIPS: 1. Create great lists of your target customers using Import. io, SalesLoft, Spyderbook, HiringSolved, and BuiltWith 2. Prospecting via LinkedIn, Twitter, Email doesn’t require you to do the work. Outsource it (e.g. ODesk) 3. Automate your prospecting with tools like Socedo and Ofunnel 4. Nurture with Hubspot or Infusionsoft If you have 2 hours of “prospecting time” per week. Every minute should be spent actually talking to prospects. Nothing else. WWW.TALLWAVE.COM/SPRINGBOARD INFO@TALLWAVE.COM
  • 30. MYTH #5: AN EXPENSIVE SALES GUY WITH A GOOD ROLODEX IS WHAT YOU NEED TO GROW WWW.TALLWAVE.COM/SPRINGBOARD INFO@TALLWAVE.COM
  • 31. MISCONCEPTION: “YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR CONNECTIVITY” WWW.TALLWAVE.COM/SPRINGBOARD INFO@TALLWAVE.COM
  • 32. TRUTH: A SALES SYSTEM BEATS AN EXPENSIVE SALESPERSON EVERY TIME WWW.TALLWAVE.COM/SPRINGBOARD INFO@TALLWAVE.COM 1. 95% OF A TYPICAL SALESPERSON’S “NETWORK” IS OLD, IRRELEVANT OR NOT IN A POSITION TO BUY 2. Having a compelling product and a method to expose that product to many buyers is the only sustainable path to success. 3. If most people have only 1 or 2 really good contacts, don’t hire them. Rather, get good at asking for referrals. BONUS: Write a Referral Agreement.
  • 33. Sales System vs Sales Guy Prospecting Qualifying Closing 15 hrs/week 15 hrs/week 10 hrs/week Total Cost: $125K $125K
  • 34. Sales System vs Sales Guy 50 hrs/week 233% Prospecting Qualifying Closing 20 hrs/week 33% 20 hrs/week 100% Total Cost: $95K 24% $80K $15K
  • 35. Sales System vs Sales Guy Prospecting Qualifying Closing 90 hrs/week 500% 40 hrs/week 160% 40 hrs/week 300% $80K$15K $15K $45K Total Cost: $155K 24%
  • 36. TIPS: • Every meeting should end in, “who do you know that would be interested in hearing this?” • Don’t hire your first VP of Sales until you’ve achieved $1M in revenue • Systematize your sales process. Start by specializing your prospecting function. WWW.TALLWAVE.COM/SPRINGBOARD INFO@TALLWAVE.COM
  • 37. MYTH #6: A GREAT PRODUCT WILL SELL ITSELF WWW.TALLWAVE.COM/SPRINGBOARD INFO@TALLWAVE.COM
  • 38. WWW.TALLWAVE.COM/SPRINGBOARD INFO@TALLWAVE.COM MISCONCEPTION “Our plan is to completely automate the marketing and sales process. We’ll have a self-serve revenue machine with no sales reps at all.” Wishful thinking, distorted perception
  • 39. WWW.TALLWAVE.COM/SPRINGBOARD INFO@TALLWAVE.COM “Inbound-only marketing is like waiting for the phone to ring” -Matt Heinz, Heinz Marketing Image: http://smsrd.com/blog/making-the-phone-ring/
  • 40. While 60% of your buyer’s decision is made before they talk to someone1 , they still want to talk to someone. WWW.TALLWAVE.COM/SPRINGBOARD INFO@TALLWAVE.COM (1) Source: Forbes 2013 http://www.forbes.com/sites/gyro/2013/01/07/the-disappearing-sales-process/ http://icmoly.wordpress.com/2012/10/26/online-learning/who-is-icm-girl-smiling-2/
  • 41. WWW.TALLWAVE.COM/SPRINGBOARD INFO@TALLWAVE.COM Hundreds of leads per month through SEO, Banner Ads and other digital methods. ~30 Inside Sales Reps 30% close rate
  • 42. TIPS: • Learn as fast and as early as possible • You can only learn by reaching out to strangers • Think in terms of systems, set them up, and let them run WWW.TALLWAVE.COM/SPRINGBOARD INFO@TALLWAVE.COM
  • 43. A 2-WEEK SALES ACCELERATION AND SYSTEMATIZATION SPRINT Accelerate consistent revenue Make yourself and your team 3x more efficient and effective Offload 90% of menial sales work Sell more, with less friction and fewer objections Meet real prospects and see how well your sales machine works TALLWAVE.COM/SPRINGBOARD INFO@TALLWAVE.COM
  • 44. PRESENTED BY: Myths & Truths - Building a Product OCTOBER 29, 2014 PRESENTED BY: PRESENTERS: JERROD BAILEY VP, SALES TEAM, TALLWAVE jerrod.bailey@tallawave.com JON HALL DIR, SALES TEAM, TALLWAVE, jon. hall@tallwave.com