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David Lewis
Senior Technical SEO Manager
Trainline
1 November 2021
#brightonSEO 2
1 November 2021
#brightonSEO 3
4 November 2021
@SearchLDN 4
David Lewis
Senior Technical SEO Manager @ Trainline
Little over 3.5 years at Trainline, 6.5 years in SEO
Advocate of personal development
Keen meditator
Guitar player
Big sports fan
https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-lewis-48462751/
About Trainline
Trainline is the leading
independent rail and coach travel
platform selling rail and coach
tickets to millions of travellers
worldwide. Via our highly rated
website and mobile app, people
can seamlessly search, book
and manage their journeys all in
one place. We bring together
millions of routes, fares and
journey times from more than
270 rail and coach carriers
across 45 countries. We offer
our customers the best price for
their journey and smart, real time
travel information on the go. Our
aim is to make rail and coach
travel easier and more
accessible, encouraging people
to make more environmentally
sustainable travel choices.
i. Based on transactions from
weeks commencing 06/10/2019
to 23/11/2019
ii. iOS rating from UK AppStore as
of 29 November 2019
iii. Trainline data for November
2019 (incl. UK consumer
number Web/App and EU
Web/App)
iv. Average monthly visits for year
ended 29 February 2020
v. UK consumer mobile app
transactions for the year ended
29 February 2020
Trainline is the world’s leading
independent rail and coach travel
platform
We sell tickets on behalf of
more than 270 rail and coach
companies and are adding
more all the time
We sell train and coach tickets
worldwide, helping our
customers travel in and across
45 countries in Europe and the
rest of the world
We sell tickets to people
living in more than 175
countriesi in 14 languages
Our customers can book in
10 currencies and payment
methods include
Apple Pay, PayPal, SOFORT &
iDEAL
We have built Europe’s
leading train and coach
app – with a 4.9/5* ratingii
There are more than
32.4m cumulative
downloads of our appiii
Our platforms host more
than 90m visits per monthiv
76% of our transactions
are mobilev
Our team numbers
more than 600 people and
more than 40 nationalities,
including 300+ travel tech
specialists and engineers
>160
Train
companies
>110
Coach
companies
Crawl Budget = Crawl Rate Limit + Crawl Demand
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https://www.botify.com/blog/crawl-budget-optimization
How did we get to a
place of so much bloat?
4 November 2021
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The customer came to us…
4 November 2021
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…rather than us going to
them
4 November 2021
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How did we define value?
4 November 2021
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4 November 2021
@SearchLDN 11
What was the data
showing?
4 November 2021
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1.
Google was
crawling
valuable
pages on
average
between 1-3
weeks
10 September 2021
#brightonSEO 13
2.
On average,
36% of all
monthly
crawls were
to pages
that were
not valuable
4 November 2021
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3.
We had
inadequate
internal
linking
architecture
– only 36%
coverage
10 September 2021
#brightonSEO
Our project goals
4 November 2021
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1.
Delete 130 million
pages that had
no value
4 November 2021
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2.
Achieve 100%
internal
link coverage
4 November 2021
@SearchLDN 18
3.
Reach 90%
Googlebot crawl
share to
valuable pages
4 November 2021
@SearchLDN 19
4.
Improve average
position of
optimised URLs
4 November 2021
@SearchLDN 20
A new internal linking
architecture
4 November 2021
@SearchLDN 21
10 September 2021
#brightonSEO 22
Dave’s Zoom
We created
new internal
linking logic
which
enabled us
to reach
100%
coverage
4 November 2021
@SearchLDN 23
4 November 2021
@SearchLDN 24
At the same
time we
orphaned
roughly 1.5M
pages that
had no value
6 months later…
4 November 2021
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4 November 2021
@SearchLDN 26
We observed an improvement in
crawl performance, but it wasn’t
enough
…so, we deleted 5M
pages that had no value
4 November 2021
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4 November 2021
@SearchLDN 28
But 5M wasn’t anywhere
near enough… another
125M pages needed to
be deleted
4 November 2021
@SearchLDN 29
We had a duplicate
version of every
single UK train
times page, across
6 subdomains
4 November 2021
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4 November 2021
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And they
were a
total
waste of
crawl
budget
Then… we monitored
4 November 2021
@SearchLDN 32
4 November 2021
@SearchLDN 33
4 November 2021
@SearchLDN 34
0%
10%
20%
30%
40%
50%
60%
70%
80%
90%
100%
Percentage
Indexed
Date
Indexed vs. De-indexed - Orphaned Pages
% Indexed % de-indexed
Sitemaps removed from GSC
First sitemap data in GSC
86% of all deleted pages were
de-indexed in 6 weeks
The results
4 November 2021
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4 November 2021
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Googlebot crawl share for valuable pages
improved from 64% to a peak of 87%
Stage 1: Orphaning and
Internal Linking
Stage 2: 410’s
0%
10%
20%
30%
40%
50%
60%
70%
80%
90%
100%
Jan-19
Feb-19
Mar-19
Apr-19
May-19
Jun-19
Jul-19
Aug-19
Sep-19
Oct-19
Nov-19
Dec-19
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Feb-20
Mar-20
Apr-20
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Jul-20
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Oct-20
Nov-20
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Jan-21
Feb-21
Mar-21
Apr-21
May-21
Jun-21
Jul-21
Aug-21
Sep-21
Googlebot
Crawl
Share
Percentage
Date
Googlebot Crawl Share Over Time
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We’ve observed a 238% increase in URLs
crawled by Googlebot and Botify on a
monthly basis from where we started
April 2020 November 2020
2 million
URLs
1.7 million
URLs
1.7 million
URLs
800k
URLs
2.6 million
URLs
1.7
million
URLs
August 2021
900k
URLs
2.7 million
URLs
1.7
million
URLs
4 November 2021
@SearchLDN 38
For previously orphaned URLs
that were internally linked to for
the first time - we improved
their average position by 2,
jumping from P8 to P6
4 November 2021
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We improved page depth
from an average of 7 to 5
Learnings
4 November 2021
@SearchLDN 40
Sitemaps
It’s not enough
to just remove
sitemaps from
GSC to prevent
crawling, you
must delete the
files too
4 November 2021
@SearchLDN 41
https://www.searchenginejournal.com/google-deleting-a-sitemap-wont-stop-us-crawling-your-site/409108/
Sitemaps
Or so we
thought…
Deleting the
sitemap files
still isn’t
enough,
because of
Google’s long-
term memory
4 November 2021
@SearchLDN 42
https://www.searchenginejournal.com/googlebot-404/239325/
4 November 2021
@SearchLDN 43
410’s – de-
indexation
We expected the
410’s to be de-
indexed within 48
hours, but didn’t
account for the
time it would take
Google to crawl
through all the
URLs
4 November 2021
@SearchLDN 44
410’s -
crawling
Google will
crawl 410’s
again, and
again, and
again
4 November 2021
@SearchLDN 45
Crawl
improvements
are not linear
Our crawls
venn
diagram
fluctuates
over time
August 2021
September 2021
Research
If you think
you’ve found
the answer,
keep looking
10 September 2021
#brightonSEO 46
4 November 2021
#brightonSEO 47
Data
That said, you
can research all
day long, but
ultimately, be
led by your data
and make a
judgement call
Thank you
David Lewis
Senior Technical SEO Manager
Trainline

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  • 1. You deleted how many pages? 130M! And here’s why David Lewis Senior Technical SEO Manager Trainline
  • 4. 4 November 2021 @SearchLDN 4 David Lewis Senior Technical SEO Manager @ Trainline Little over 3.5 years at Trainline, 6.5 years in SEO Advocate of personal development Keen meditator Guitar player Big sports fan https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-lewis-48462751/
  • 5. About Trainline Trainline is the leading independent rail and coach travel platform selling rail and coach tickets to millions of travellers worldwide. Via our highly rated website and mobile app, people can seamlessly search, book and manage their journeys all in one place. We bring together millions of routes, fares and journey times from more than 270 rail and coach carriers across 45 countries. We offer our customers the best price for their journey and smart, real time travel information on the go. Our aim is to make rail and coach travel easier and more accessible, encouraging people to make more environmentally sustainable travel choices. i. Based on transactions from weeks commencing 06/10/2019 to 23/11/2019 ii. iOS rating from UK AppStore as of 29 November 2019 iii. Trainline data for November 2019 (incl. UK consumer number Web/App and EU Web/App) iv. Average monthly visits for year ended 29 February 2020 v. UK consumer mobile app transactions for the year ended 29 February 2020 Trainline is the world’s leading independent rail and coach travel platform We sell tickets on behalf of more than 270 rail and coach companies and are adding more all the time We sell train and coach tickets worldwide, helping our customers travel in and across 45 countries in Europe and the rest of the world We sell tickets to people living in more than 175 countriesi in 14 languages Our customers can book in 10 currencies and payment methods include Apple Pay, PayPal, SOFORT & iDEAL We have built Europe’s leading train and coach app – with a 4.9/5* ratingii There are more than 32.4m cumulative downloads of our appiii Our platforms host more than 90m visits per monthiv 76% of our transactions are mobilev Our team numbers more than 600 people and more than 40 nationalities, including 300+ travel tech specialists and engineers >160 Train companies >110 Coach companies
  • 6. Crawl Budget = Crawl Rate Limit + Crawl Demand 4 November 2021 @SearchLDN 6 https://www.botify.com/blog/crawl-budget-optimization
  • 7. How did we get to a place of so much bloat? 4 November 2021 @SearchLDN 7
  • 8. The customer came to us… 4 November 2021 @SearchLDN 8
  • 9. …rather than us going to them 4 November 2021 @SearchLDN 9
  • 10. How did we define value? 4 November 2021 @SearchLDN 10
  • 12. What was the data showing? 4 November 2021 @SearchLDN 12
  • 13. 1. Google was crawling valuable pages on average between 1-3 weeks 10 September 2021 #brightonSEO 13
  • 14. 2. On average, 36% of all monthly crawls were to pages that were not valuable 4 November 2021 @SearchLDN 14
  • 15. 3. We had inadequate internal linking architecture – only 36% coverage 10 September 2021 #brightonSEO
  • 16. Our project goals 4 November 2021 @SearchLDN 16
  • 17. 1. Delete 130 million pages that had no value 4 November 2021 @SearchLDN 17
  • 18. 2. Achieve 100% internal link coverage 4 November 2021 @SearchLDN 18
  • 19. 3. Reach 90% Googlebot crawl share to valuable pages 4 November 2021 @SearchLDN 19
  • 20. 4. Improve average position of optimised URLs 4 November 2021 @SearchLDN 20
  • 21. A new internal linking architecture 4 November 2021 @SearchLDN 21
  • 22. 10 September 2021 #brightonSEO 22 Dave’s Zoom
  • 23. We created new internal linking logic which enabled us to reach 100% coverage 4 November 2021 @SearchLDN 23
  • 24. 4 November 2021 @SearchLDN 24 At the same time we orphaned roughly 1.5M pages that had no value
  • 25. 6 months later… 4 November 2021 @SearchLDN 25
  • 26. 4 November 2021 @SearchLDN 26 We observed an improvement in crawl performance, but it wasn’t enough
  • 27. …so, we deleted 5M pages that had no value 4 November 2021 @SearchLDN 27
  • 29. But 5M wasn’t anywhere near enough… another 125M pages needed to be deleted 4 November 2021 @SearchLDN 29
  • 30. We had a duplicate version of every single UK train times page, across 6 subdomains 4 November 2021 @SearchLDN 30
  • 31. 4 November 2021 @SearchLDN 31 And they were a total waste of crawl budget
  • 32. Then… we monitored 4 November 2021 @SearchLDN 32
  • 34. 4 November 2021 @SearchLDN 34 0% 10% 20% 30% 40% 50% 60% 70% 80% 90% 100% Percentage Indexed Date Indexed vs. De-indexed - Orphaned Pages % Indexed % de-indexed Sitemaps removed from GSC First sitemap data in GSC 86% of all deleted pages were de-indexed in 6 weeks
  • 35. The results 4 November 2021 @SearchLDN 35
  • 36. 4 November 2021 @SearchLDN 36 Googlebot crawl share for valuable pages improved from 64% to a peak of 87% Stage 1: Orphaning and Internal Linking Stage 2: 410’s 0% 10% 20% 30% 40% 50% 60% 70% 80% 90% 100% Jan-19 Feb-19 Mar-19 Apr-19 May-19 Jun-19 Jul-19 Aug-19 Sep-19 Oct-19 Nov-19 Dec-19 Jan-20 Feb-20 Mar-20 Apr-20 May-20 Jun-20 Jul-20 Aug-20 Sep-20 Oct-20 Nov-20 Dec-20 Jan-21 Feb-21 Mar-21 Apr-21 May-21 Jun-21 Jul-21 Aug-21 Sep-21 Googlebot Crawl Share Percentage Date Googlebot Crawl Share Over Time
  • 37. 4 November 2021 @SearchLDN 37 We’ve observed a 238% increase in URLs crawled by Googlebot and Botify on a monthly basis from where we started April 2020 November 2020 2 million URLs 1.7 million URLs 1.7 million URLs 800k URLs 2.6 million URLs 1.7 million URLs August 2021 900k URLs 2.7 million URLs 1.7 million URLs
  • 38. 4 November 2021 @SearchLDN 38 For previously orphaned URLs that were internally linked to for the first time - we improved their average position by 2, jumping from P8 to P6
  • 39. 4 November 2021 @SearchLDN 39 We improved page depth from an average of 7 to 5
  • 41. Sitemaps It’s not enough to just remove sitemaps from GSC to prevent crawling, you must delete the files too 4 November 2021 @SearchLDN 41 https://www.searchenginejournal.com/google-deleting-a-sitemap-wont-stop-us-crawling-your-site/409108/
  • 42. Sitemaps Or so we thought… Deleting the sitemap files still isn’t enough, because of Google’s long- term memory 4 November 2021 @SearchLDN 42 https://www.searchenginejournal.com/googlebot-404/239325/
  • 43. 4 November 2021 @SearchLDN 43 410’s – de- indexation We expected the 410’s to be de- indexed within 48 hours, but didn’t account for the time it would take Google to crawl through all the URLs
  • 44. 4 November 2021 @SearchLDN 44 410’s - crawling Google will crawl 410’s again, and again, and again
  • 45. 4 November 2021 @SearchLDN 45 Crawl improvements are not linear Our crawls venn diagram fluctuates over time August 2021 September 2021
  • 46. Research If you think you’ve found the answer, keep looking 10 September 2021 #brightonSEO 46
  • 47. 4 November 2021 #brightonSEO 47 Data That said, you can research all day long, but ultimately, be led by your data and make a judgement call
  • 48. Thank you David Lewis Senior Technical SEO Manager Trainline

Editor's Notes

  1. Have about me slide
  2. Set the scale – number of pages, route combinations
  3. Crawl rate limit = how fast/slow are the pages loading? Is the crawler running into errors? Is there a limit set in GSC? Crawl demand = how popular are these pages? How fresh/stale are these pages?
  4. One liner on what Botify does and why it’s important
  5. Mention shared goals with devs How did we get buy-in
  6. First two columns are customer led
  7. Fine for prerecord Display differently for in-person