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Tim Brown + Emily Douglas
Fri, 1/21 3:05PM • 1:00:57
SUMMARY KEYWORDS
people, france, uva, hawaii, charlottesville, haiti, thought, feel, military, republican, mom, french, bit,
studied, women, curious, navy, veteran, questions, virginia beach
SPEAKERS
Emily Douglas, Tim Brown, Samyuktha Mahadevan
Samyuktha Mahadevan 00:00
The following one small step conversation was recorded at the WTJU studio located in Charlottesville,
Virginia, on Tuesday, October 26 2021. The participants names are Tim and Emily.
Tim Brown 00:14
So my name is Tim Brown. I'm a student here at UVA, studying finance. And yeah.
Emily Douglas 00:26
Okay, my name is Emily. Douglas. I just got married last year. So it's kind of new. But I'm used to Emily
Martin and I, what do I do. I work at facilities management at UVA, which is near to the football stadium.
And I'm a new hire there because I avoided working for UVA like the plague. And it's they had a new
position for their diversity, equity and inclusion specialists, which, of course, so that's what I do all day.
So one of the key elements of one small step is asking individuals to put themselves in someone else's
shoes. And so the way that we do that is we you each have a copy of your partner's short bio that they
wrote when they sign up for one small step. Could you each read your partner's bio out loud as written.
And once each of you has done that, feel free to ask questions about what you'd like to know more
about based on what you've read.
Tim Brown 00:59
I'll start it off?
Emily Douglas 01:10
yeah.
Tim Brown 01:11
Okay. So. Emily's bio, let's see what she wrote. I've lived in Charlottesville since 2009. After living in
France for five years. I'm originally from rural Virginia Bath County. I studied art history in school, which

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helps me to see a person issue challenge from multitude of sides and pay attention to the human that is
involved, impacting everything. I also studied at an all women's institution which taught me to question
everything, and know that my voice matters as a woman. I've lived and worked in Haiti, Haiti, and here
in Charlottesville in education in nonprofits. I currently work in the DEI space at UVA and Facilities
Management among the local HIP board and independently working on a project for financial inclusion
for our area. At UVA I serve on the supplier diversity task force, the Women's Leadership Council, the
FM sustainability Strategic Planning Committee, the FM Diversity Committee and the UVA Diversity
Council. I also lead the Facilities Management inclusive excellence work. Experiencing UVA as an
outsider has been quite a ride, challenging my patience to wait out change in larger systems.
Emily Douglas 02:46
You can tell I was writing that for a UVA thing.
Tim Brown 02:49
yeah
Emily Douglas 02:49
Here are my committees.
Tim Brown 02:52
yeah
Emily Douglas 02:54
Okay, do you know, should I read Tim's next or does...okay. So, my name is Tim Brown, and I'm a
second year prospective commerce student at UVA. Before coming to UVA, I served in the Navy as a
surgical tech assisting in neuro and orthopedic surgeries. I love to cook, hang out with friends and
engage in my various and often sporadic hobbies during my free time. I was born in Germany and grew
up all over the country, but I identify most with Hawaii and San Diego, California. I'm passionate about
leadership and service. When I grow up, I'd like to become an entrepreneur.
Do you remember writing that.
Tim Brown 03:34
yeah that sounds familiar.
Emily Douglas 03:40
Do you have any questions real quick? Do you have questions. I have a lot.
Tim Brown 03:42
I have a ton of questions.
Emily Douglas 03:43
Okay.

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Tim Brown 03:44
so let's start from the top. France. What brought you to France?
Emily Douglas 03:54
Um, so the short story is I studied abroad when I was in undergrad in London, because I was on a
contemporary art track. And I spoke French, was taking French in college, and my advisor was like,
You should go to France. And I was like, oh, France has been done. And the artists are stuffy. And I
wanna take a break from another language. And so I was there and I was between 19 and 20, I think
and I loved it. The freedom was just like infectious.
Tim Brown 04:26
Yeah.
Emily Douglas 04:26
And I loved all the culture and I loved everything about it. And I was like, Okay, I have to get back over
here. So when I finished undergrad work, of course, it was like, What are you going to do with your life.
And I'm like, oh, I'll go to Europe. And so there was a program to and there still is a teaching assistant
program in France. And so you can apply and I did that for a couple of years. And so I lived in
Normandy as a teacher's assistant, which literally when I worked for 12 hours a week just kind of like
standing next to a French teacher doing to a class where kids were just like, 'why shes here' and they
were like say it in English so we can hear your accent and I said it and everybody would laugh. And
then I would go home for the day. And we made like, maybe like 1000 US dollars a month. But that was
totally fine for what we were doing was just taking trains, you know, taking
Tim Brown 05:11
yeah
Emily Douglas 05:11
trains all over the place.
Tim Brown 05:12
yeah
Emily Douglas 05:14
And so I was like, Well, I came back and worked in the US to make more money. And I was like, Whoa,
I have to go. And if I go, it's like coming to United States not going to New York City, I have to go to
Paris. So I applied to the Sorbonne has this like, feel bad for foreigners program to like, teach them
French and French culture, but get them a visa to get into the country. So I did that for for a year. So
that kept gave me a visa to stay in Paris. And then I, I can, I was like, Well, I can get a job in a museum
if I get my master's degree. And so that, like kept my parents at bay. And so I applied to in the lourve,
there's a school there's a college in the louve for art history. So I applied to their master's program in
museum studies. And so that gave me another visa. So that's how I just kind of rode out my time in

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Tim Brown 06:05
Very strategic-
Emily Douglas 06:09
In France.
Tim Brown 06:09
Thats cool.
Emily Douglas 06:10
Yeah. And so the visas helped me keep me there. But I worked for a publishing company, which was
really teeny, and again, all women founded by a woman, and she had her business model, right, and
that she just would get student interns from art history programs to do all of her like image research for
like, 300 euros a month. And so I worked there the whole time. And I loved that so much better than
school, which saw my grades go br. And but that helped me continue to come back, even like, a couple
years ago to France. So that's my real connector. So that's, that's France in a little nutshell. It's a bigger
show, as you know, but like-
Tim Brown 06:51
yeah, yeah, that sounds me I have I've never been to France, but kind of, from what I know about your
personality at this point. Sounds like a place.
Emily Douglas 07:03
I, I there's some bias in there. But I think it's the most beautiful city that I've been to yet in the world. I
think they're beautiful places for different reasons. But like Paris is just like, ph what?
Tim Brown 07:15
But it's been done.
Emily Douglas 07:16
Yeah. Yeah.
Tim Brown 07:20
Okay, let's see what else we got here. Let's stick with the the locations for now, because I'm also
curious about Haiti.
Emily Douglas 07:28
Yeah. So after my visas, ran out, and I packed up my bags full of tears from France, I had to come back
to the United States. And I had met a family like one summer I was home between France school and I
met a family and like nannied for one of their little girls. And they were here in development and were
going back to Bath County where I was from, so they were like, Oh, our daughter is finishing up high
school you just be her like legal guardian we'll pay for your rent. I was like, great because I'm in debt.
And this works. And so that's what brought me to Charlottesville. I never came to Charlottesville really
growing up. We would always go to like Roanoke, Virginia. And so in Charlottesville. I was cooking in

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the kitchen at the market street market when it first opened and I met this little girl and gave her like
glass Markel markers to doodle on the glass front. And she started singing in French. And I was like,
oh, so I started speaking to her in French. And her mom was like, You should teach her to preschool.
So I did. So there's this little international preschool in Belmont. And I worked there for three years and
all through the levels. And it was great. It taught me a lot about just like life in general. And the
knowledge of like, wrangling preschoolers is just like wrangling any type of meeting for the rest of your
life.
Tim Brown 08:50
yeah
Emily Douglas 08:50
It's the same.
Tim Brown 08:50
yeah
Emily Douglas 08:52
And so but, at a at a moment, I kind of like, you know, the parent teacher conferences got to me, and
like, parents coming in complaining that their child's like $90, little tennis shoes, like for a two or three
year old word, were muddy. And it just kind of started to build up and you kind of look around in
Charlottesville at points, and you're like, No, like this, this can't be it. And so I was like, I have to get out
of here. And I want to go somewhere that like challenges me to my core, but where I can still
communicate, like communication is really important to me. So I want to be able to, like get what I
need, but also like hear people back at me and be able to manipulate, not manipulate but like work, like
get through things, at least with communication, you know, nothing else. I don't need any sort of other
tool. And so I had always wanted to go to West Africa. And so I was looking into that because there are
places where I could use French at least to communicate and it was just too big and I was like where to
go that it's like the place and so somehow Haiti landed in my lap. As like, at least you're in the same
hemisphere. I felt good about, you know, taking a break and being kind of close to Virginia what I know
family what I know like having that that lifeline a little bit after being in France, and so I I scoured
everything I could find like even like religious things to get me to Haiti of just staying, I wanted to go for
at least a year, everything was like, oh, a month and then we'll come home because Damn, it's hard
down there. Or like, oh, then we'll go to this place. And like, Isn't Haiti cute. Now let's go over here. And
it's like, I just don't I want to be like planted in a place. And I want to feel as much as I can with the
knowledge of the like, I always have the ability to leave here. And a lot people who are here do not. And
so I didn't want to teach anymore. My mom's a teacher. And I was just like, I'm not a teacher. But it's let
me do a lot of things. And so teaching allowed me to go to Haiti. And so and and stay there for a year.
So I went and found a school that was run by a couple of French people, and started teaching in a
preschool class with a Haitian woman, and she would teach French days and I would teach English
day. So it was really similar to what I was doing in Charlottesville-
Tim Brown 11:25
No complaints about muddy sneakers there.

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Emily Douglas 11:28
No, no, it was just I was just like, this is this is it. This is real. This is life. This is human. This is the type
of humanity humans I want to be with all the time, who kids are going to the bathroom in the
playground, because that's what they do at home, like the toilet scares the crap out of them, which is
funny to say, but like they had a school uniforms with belts, and it was just so cumbersome because
they're naked all day or in a t shirt, you know, and so yeah, Haiti was I wanted to stay, I got really sick
at the end of my year, and with a intestinal bacteria that the director of our school had too and it kind of
scared me, because we were we I knew we were far away. Like I was always like, what if I'm just like
walking around the school at night and cut myself on a blade and get tetanus, like, it would take me two
hours to get to somewhere that I think could stitch me up in a clean place.
Tim Brown 12:23
yeah
Emily Douglas 12:24
And so I came home, and I had to take a bit of a repose. And then I just haven't gone back, which I
really kicked myself about.
Tim Brown 12:34
Yeah, I've been. I've been to Haiti once, when, when I was in the Navy, we did some, some
humanitarian work down there. And I mean, we kind of went all over the place during the mission, but
Haiti, I was like, wow, this is. Life's a little bit different out here-
Emily Douglas 12:53
Yeah. Do you remember where you were?
Tim Brown 12:55
Puerto Prince.
Emily Douglas 12:56
Yeah, it's rough there.
Tim Brown 12:57
Yeah. So it was a short time is maybe two weeks, three weeks. But I think at some point, we had a,
like, small boat full of like, ophthalmologists and nurses and stuff and the boat got shot at. And they
were I mean, these are all military doctors you know. To some degree, you should be expecting some
hazard. But I don't think they saw that coming so.
Emily Douglas 13:23
It's like the kicker on a football team.
Tim Brown 13:24
Yeah, yeah exactly.

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Emily Douglas 13:25
Their like what.
Tim Brown 13:26
yeah
Emily Douglas 13:26
And you're like well, you have the pads on.
Tim Brown 13:28
You're on the team. Yeah, Haiti.
So I'm gonna jump in here. Because I know, we asked people to kind of dive into the experiences that
have shaped them, and what's really important to you. And you know, we're talking about people and
their experiences, and often we're taught by those who have touched our lives. And so I want to know,
from each of you, who is the person who's had the biggest impact on your life, who has influenced your
thoughts or your values.
Emily Douglas 14:05
Go for it.
Tim Brown 14:06
I was hoping this one wasn't gonna come. I spent some time thinking about it last night in between
calculus and accounting, but I would say I think my mother. I grew up you know, with with my mom, dad
wasn't in the picture. She's extremely strong. She kind of you know, she took care of everything. Even
the things that weren't in her control, I think she managed to, to make it feel like things were taken care
of. I don't know exactly how that influenced me. But I would say if I had to pick a person, that would
probably be my mother.
Emily Douglas 14:49
Where did you grow up?
Tim Brown 14:50
So we I was born in Germany. My mom is she she was a German national dad was an Army guy. So
we lived in Germany until I was around fourth or fifth grade. So then we moved here to the States to
Virginia Beach, moved in with my sister who is 20 years older than I am, and was also in the Navy. So
she had just had a daughter and needed someone to help Watch. Watch her. So my mom was like, I
have money I can come all the way from Germany in Virginia Beach to watch your daughter while you
go do Navy stuff. So I came with and yeah, from there, we're kind of all over the country. Virginia
Beach, San Diego, Hawaii. But, yeah-
Emily Douglas 15:25

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wow Because of your dad?
Tim Brown 15:42
Yeah.
Emily Douglas 15:42
Okay. And then that's why he wasn't really around?
Tim Brown 15:45
yeah
Emily Douglas 15:45
Nav, Navy also army?
Tim Brown 15:47
No, he was yeah, he was Army-
Emily Douglas 15:49
army. I want to keep asking you questions but I don't know if I'm allowed to
You definitely are
Tim Brown 15:58
who influenced you most?
Emily Douglas 15:59
ah. This is how you divert attention, I do the same thing so I notice it. I was thinking about this as well,
because it's hard to think of one person and like all like the media people or the stories of people. And I
think it was my, I was like, Is this cliche, but it's like, I guess I think it was my dad the most. And I think
it's because I just came up with this in the car outside. I think it's because he, I thought about it, though.
He taught me how to be quiet, and how to be patient, and how to like, find Calm in the Chaos. Like
there's always in a method, there's always a system, there's always a way to organize all of this. He's
very, like, organized. And so I think that was just like an example of like, see, it's okay, if, like, I would
get hurt, my mom would freak out. And my dad was also in the Navy, he was a medic.
Tim Brown 16:56
Oh!
Emily Douglas 16:56
And he would just be like, Oh, you need stitches.
Tim Brown 16:59
yeah

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Emily Douglas 16:59
And my mom was like, and so that helped me be like, see, it's okay, we can be this way, in this
uncommon situation will be like this, you need stitches, he would always take our stitches out, he would
always clean wounds. He always had this bag of like surgical, like scissors and stuff
Tim Brown 17:16
yup
Emily Douglas 17:16
that he would clean, he could do anything. And so I think that I I like to know that that like possible,
even if sometimes I'm just like, I can't write a strategic plan in two days. He's like, What is the plan,
Tim Brown 17:31
yeah
Emily Douglas 17:31
like to produce the thing. So I think and I was thinking of like other names, like, I really always admired
Nelson Mandela, or I also, you know, people have this like, and I think it's the same calm, like
consistency to life of just like, it's gonna be okay. And when I speak, it's going to be relevant, and it's
going to be calm, and you're going to be like, this amazing person. And that made me think of like, all of
these people are like, huh. It's kind of like this one thing in the dad.
Tim Brown 18:01
Just a bit of stoicism.
Emily Douglas 18:03
Yeah. Yeah. My dad isn't very stoic. He's, he's short. But yeah, a calm, like a Calm in the Chaos, which
I really like.
Tim Brown 18:12
Yeah.
Emily Douglas 18:14
Mhm
Tim Brown 18:14
That's interesting.
Emily Douglas 18:15
Mhm, So when you were moving around a lot, I'm really curious in your bio, of moving all around the
country. And it was in like, your formative years, right. You were a young child's like middle school,
which nobody likes young adolescent, which is like blah. And like, pulled around, which I think gives

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people quite a good set of character traits. Maybe it's not always seen that way. But you said you really
identify with Hawaii and San Diego. Why. Why is that?
Tim Brown 18:54
On the surface, I would say it's because I hate the cold and I'm a beach bum. I also really love the food
in in both of those places.
Emily Douglas 19:05
yeah
Tim Brown 19:05
But there's also it's just kind of like the people, particularly in Hawaii. One thing you kind of notice when
you're there is like, it's so different. Everyone. It's like you said people are very calm. Really, there isn't
much of a sense of urgency about anything. Makes the joke people are on Island time and stuff. So I
really liked that. And I think growing up here in high school, it was just such a different experience. Like,
okay, we don't have a rowing team. We have like a Hawaiian outrigger canoe team.
Emily Douglas 19:47
very cool
Tim Brown 19:47
Or like our skip day like we're gonna go surfing and stuff like that. I think. I really enjoyed that. And also,
I think now as As we start to have like more of these conversations about race. One thing looking back
on my time in Hawaii, Hawaii is is a very, I would say, maybe not very, but there's a decent amount of
racism going on in Hawaii. But it's it's more so directed towards white people they call them Hollies.
And I think having that kind of dynamic where like, in high school, like my friends were Asian or white,
the reply like, extremely diverse. Having that kind of dynamic didn't really I never really thought about
race growing up, I didn't really see myself as one color or another cuz we're all just kind of like this
mash of Hawaiian experienced people. So
Emily Douglas 20:51
did you ever get the sense there. Because especially well, I guess in high school, you just kind of blend
and move however, that like your time there was like, transient that you you would be leaving? Do you
know. And where did you feel like people may have like looked at you that way. I've just like, well,
you're not gonna stay here with us and like, fight the good fight, or you're just you get to go.
Tim Brown 21:13
Yeah, I did. And I think a lot of people feel that way. And just looking back at like my graduating class,
there's, maybe a handful of them are still over there. So you know, for college left, and then from there,
Emily Douglas 21:29
yep
Tim Brown 21:29

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it was Exodus. But I don't know if you think about that much at that age. I don't think-
Emily Douglas 21:35
mhm. Yeah I don't think you know what that means.
Tim Brown 21:37
we did. I think I knew I didn't want to leave.
Emily Douglas 21:40
yeah
Tim Brown 21:42
But I also kind of knew that I had to.
Emily Douglas 21:45
Yeah, Yeah. Where's your mom, now?
Tim Brown 21:48
She's in San Diego.
Emily Douglas 21:49
San Diego. So you still get to go out.
Tim Brown 21:51
I still get to go and go hang out on the beach and get my carne asada fries.
Emily Douglas 21:57
Okay, good. Cause we have no water here. I mean we have a river. But not the same. Virginia Beach is
like not San Diego.
Tim Brown 22:05
No, no definitely not.
I'm curious, to me, you just mentioned to, you know, having conversations about race in high school.
And, you know, I think what we try to get at in these conversations is like people's own experiences and
thought processes that shape your values. And some of those start pretty early. And I'm curious to
know, like what your first memory of interacting with the political system was and how you felt about it.
And for both of you.
Tim Brown 22:42
I think my my first memory was I want to say around like Bush Jr. and I didn't really know what was
going on, but I knew-

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Emily Douglas 22:58
How'd you vote that way.
Tim Brown 22:59
Yeah, everyone around me thought he was an idiot. And like, I remember seeing the video where he
got the shoe thrown at him. And so I was like, what, what are these people doing. What is going on-
Emily Douglas 23:11
How old were you do you remember?
Tim Brown 23:12
I don't remember.
Emily Douglas 23:15
Like, do you remember where you were?
Tim Brown 23:18
I don't remember that either. Actually. It's very vague. I just I specifically remember. Yeah, the shoe.
And also, I think we had a calendar it was you know, every day there was a new Bushism, and like
some quote from him. So I was like, Okay, well, this is what adults do.
Emily Douglas 23:36
huh
Tim Brown 23:37
Boring. But
Emily Douglas 23:38
do you remember like studying government in school or anything before to be like, oh, so boring? Who
cares-
Tim Brown 23:44
Yeah, I mean, there was that, you know, I think a lot of the government that I got into was in Hawaii
learning about like, the state history and stuff like that.
Emily Douglas 23:57
Mm that's cool, though.
Tim Brown 23:58
So that was interesting to me. I was like, wow, like, is this...Are we supposed to be here.
Emily Douglas 24:05
Exactly. And we like I don't remember learning about Hawaii's history.

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Tim Brown 24:10
Yeah, I like I talk to people sometimes they're like what like
Emily Douglas 24:14
yeah, yeah, just like the one of my Best Friends is from San Francisco. And she comes to visit and
she's like, we never learned about like, really the Civil War, maybe kind of slavery, but she's like, Y'all
are messed up over here. And I was like, well..
Tim Brown 24:29
Yeah, I don't remember much of it. And now I mean, taking history classes now. The professor will be
like you guys surely know all this. And I'm like, yeah, totally. I know about that.
Emily Douglas 24:42
Google. The what. Oh, yeah, that was I remember when I was little, my mom would always do work
outside in a Jimmy Carter shirt, and like cut off jeans and I thought she was so cool. And I maybe kind
of asked her about And she's like, Oh, I just liked I liked him. I remember when he ran and I just, you
know, liked things about him. I don't know what it was. But I was just like, that's pretty cool. Like, I hope
she's a real rebel at heart. And I remember like being in seventh grade and having this great Virginia
history teacher who taught us a lot about like, you know, Jamestown and Yorktown. But like the grittier
layer of it, I think today, those courses would still be totally different, but at least we were getting a piece
of what he saw is probably like injustice in our education system
Tim Brown 25:35
yeah
Emily Douglas 25:35
of like, this is what you really need to know, book aside-
Tim Brown 25:38
He was the rebel.
Emily Douglas 25:39
Yeah. And so I, I wanted to be a lawyer, I wanted to go to William and Mary, because I just like liked the
the appreciation of history, and in that part of our state, but at that time, I didn't know it wasn't the whole
story of history. And I wanted to be a page like in the whatever it is Virginia House of something,
something where you can go and like, take little notes to senators and representatives, I wanted to do
that. And I wanted to be a lawyer, and then I wanted to be a senator, and then I wanted to be president.
And I didn't, I don't think I knew like, like a greasiness around politics or like a fighting thing around
politics. I knew, like, this is how I can have, like, my voice heard, or this is how like, this is how things
get done around here.
Tim Brown 26:34
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Emily Douglas 26:34
You know, like, I there's a system that I can access as a citizen of this country, and I can learn these
things that are provided to me and I can go up these ranks to to be that and then let's see what we can
get done. Right.
Tim Brown 26:51
yeah
Emily Douglas 26:51
And which is funny, because the I didn't know of women in power, I was just like, that's what I want to
be because that seems like the strongest. And after that, I remember Reag. So I was born in 81. So a
little bit about Reagan. I definitely remember Clinton and Monica Lewinsky and Hillary and like the
trouble he got in internationally, and then Oh, definitely GW and then you know, up through Obama,
and when I was in France, he GW was president or was elected and I pretended to be another
nationality. Because people will be like, Oh, a little accent, Are you American. And I'm like, Oh, no-
Tim Brown 27:39
No
Emily Douglas 27:39
Italian. Because if they did, or if it got out there immediately, like, why did you vote for him. And I'm like,
I didn't
Tim Brown 27:44
yeah
Emily Douglas 27:44
and then they're like, then how did he win. And I'm like, it's not just my vote. Like, it was so confusing
how this person had won the presidency. And I'm like, I am equally as confused.
Tim Brown 27:54
Yeah.
Emily Douglas 27:56
And so I was there when Obama was elected, and it was just like, Joy across the universe. And I was
like, I am American. Here's the T shirt. I'm American I'm American.
Tim Brown 28:06
I'm Idol.
Emily Douglas 28:06
Yeah. And so that, that felt really good. And I remember when Trump was elected, and I went to this
volunteer session at the Haven like to learn how to volunteer there. And they said, they had had it was

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leading up to his election because it was kind of around Thanksgiving, and that they had had the most
volunteers that they had ever had, because I think people knew like, the ship's about to hit
Tim Brown 28:34
yeah
Emily Douglas 28:34
the coastline. And we have to get out there and take control. So it's really interesting to me, especially
being in the nonprofit world here in Charlottesville of when Obama was president, we kind of just like
sat back in our rockers a little bit and knew, like, dude's got it under wraps, like and if he doesn't, she
does. And so we felt good about it. And then I felt like one positive thing sounds disgusting to say about
Trump's election is that we we had to get up off of our heels and-
Tim Brown 29:05
I-
Emily Douglas 29:05
do something
Tim Brown 29:06
I agree entirely. And this is it's been hard to kind of voice that because I think, like you said, it's just
saying it like doesn't matter what the reason is behind it. You know, you're kind of putting yourself out
there, but I totally agree.
Emily Douglas 29:26
Right. What do you what do you think of it, Like, did you feel like I've got to go do something?
Tim Brown 29:31
I did. I did. Well, when he first got like this, I was still in the Navy. And I think first thoughts were like, oh,
okay, so let me go up my life insurance. Yeah, I think, you know, no one really knew what was going to
happen and kind of being under under his, his rule was a little bit concerning, but then I did kind of start
to notice, you know, like, amongst my friends who generally like didn't care about politics, they're
watching the news now,
Emily Douglas 30:11
Hm
Tim Brown 30:11
you know, and they're they're reading and they're learning things. And I'm like, this is interesting how
this works.
Emily Douglas 30:17
Mhm

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Tim Brown 30:19
So that that was something I noticed that I kind of appreciated.
Emily Douglas 30:24
Yeah. What was it like being in the military when he was elected? And I'm thinking about you in the
military, And just like this political thing, That's the military.
Tim Brown 30:32
Yeah.
Emily Douglas 30:32
Like, you're in it. You are in politics.
Tim Brown 30:34
Yeah.
Emily Douglas 30:35
And then this happens.
Tim Brown 30:37
It um, it was interesting. You know, we had I don't know how many government shutdowns there were,
that's, you know, we're not getting paid. So. Yeah. Yeah I mean, there was that the, the trans rights,
stuff like that all of it, I think kind of, it definitely weighed on morale.
Emily Douglas 31:00
Hm
Tim Brown 31:01
And where I was, and I think within my field, people probably lean a little bit more to the left, than if I
were to, say, being an infantry division
Emily Douglas 31:11
Mhm
Tim Brown 31:11
or something. But yeah, it took a toll on people, I think. It also the same division that we saw within the
country, that started to happen within our workplaces. And I think there are some situations where I'm
like, okay, like, this now more than sucks, this is, like, impeding our ability to do our jobs
Emily Douglas 31:37
Hm
Tim Brown 31:37
effectively. And that's when I kind of got more worried about and even became more involved.

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Emily Douglas 31:42
Mhm. Why do you think that is that there are those like, plate like you, I'm assuming that like, where
you were, was with like, surgery teams, like physicians and nurses, and that would lean left, as
opposed to like, the infantry side. And I understand what you're saying. So I'm not like challenging it.
But why do you think it's like that?
Tim Brown 32:07
I Well, I think it comes down to education is kind of a big thing. And also, it's within the military, at least,
it's a different culture. So like, you're if you're an infantry unit, you're kind of like, your one your around
all guys. And you kind of have this not to say that, you know, all infantry guys are these like, macho
dudes who just want to break stuff. But sometimes you can kind of work each other up into that into that
thing. So some of the more like, lower ideas, I think, maybe it's more fun to be to be like one of those
people who like, goes around like, oh, yeah, a snowflake. I don't know. I want to say it's mostly
education. But I'm sure a ton of other things.
Emily Douglas 33:03
Yeah, education makes sense.
Tim Brown 33:06
Yeah.
So considering these, you know, you've kind of already gone into depth a bit about like your, how you
experience, you know, some of the changes in the past few years and the Trump presidency. And I'm
curious if you could discuss, you know, how your political, how you define your political beliefs and
values, and maybe how they've adapted or changed in the past few years.
Emily Douglas 33:35
That was a hard one. Did you come up with anything.
Tim Brown 33:37
Your turn.
Emily Douglas 33:40
So I was raised by Christian Republicans, and they're still the same, I think, and even though I send
them mounds of articles every day, so um, I, I get, I don't know, again, I think I was always questioning
and I was taught to question and push back. And so, you know, that type of religion, Republican
household, like, kept me safe and got me to where I am today. But then, you know, I don't think I ever
knew to poke holes in it. I mean, in religion I definitely did when I was younger, but like a Republican
viewpoint, I don't know. I mean, I guess I remember hearing like, like, not so much taxation, let me run
my life kind of thing, but maybe not really. I think living in France helped me understand pros and cons
of higher taxes to serve the health of people like I was living there as an American citizen, and I had
100% medical coverage. I had assistance from my apartment from the French government. I had half

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off travel because I was under 26 at the time from the French government. So all of these things
allowed me to experience the country at a reduced rate allowed me to feel healthy and supported. But I
was paying higher tax, you know, people were paying into that we were paying into this pot. And I saw
like the influx of people coming in from Eastern Europe that did not have their systems, or who were
part of the European Union who could come access this great health care system in France. And there
are cons to that system as well. And so that made me kind of feel like, especially in my 20s, just like,
you know, my parents being like, you need insurance. And I'm like, No, I don't, you know, and then
coming back to the US at, like, 29, I guess, and being like, what I have to pay for what, and I was like,
that's wrong. And then getting into the education and nonprofit sector here and seeing like the total
imbalance of access to resources, access to networks, access to information, accesses to
opportunities, and I was like, what, and I got into fundraising here, and then you really
Tim Brown 36:01
oh yeah
Emily Douglas 36:01
see the discrepancy of just like so much money, and education and intellect and teaching of how to just
make more money.
Tim Brown 36:11
yep.
Emily Douglas 36:12
And then begging for that, to provide a service to people who are scared to go to a bank, who don't feel
like they can walk into a bank to even open an account.
Tim Brown 36:24
yeah
Emily Douglas 36:24
And so you're just like, what, what what what what what. And so I remember ah I can't remember if it
was during Trump or during. I think it was during Trump and I was like, what is the Republican Party.
Do you know, and I love the flip flop from like, Jefferson and Lincoln, you know, like, being Republican
you're like, but that's not the same, it flipped. And I love tracing that history of like these words, and
what they represent these beliefs and ideals that they represent. And so there was this great article
somewhere that was like here are the cornerstones of the Republican value system. And I was like,
This is great. And it's not what's being shouted, in the media, or by this human being. And so this is like,
so grounding, and I can get in line with some of these.
Tim Brown 37:10
yeah
Emily Douglas 37:11

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And then like, where is that on the Dem. Like, can I find these cornerstones in the now Democratic
Party. Have they shifted. And so I, I love kind of going back and forth through that. And I just I don't like
that's, I don't know who to identify with. I vote blue. I vote Liberal. Like, that makes the most sense to
me. Because I try not to be a one I don't one, what is it called like one ticket kind of voter, but I believe
in like choice for women. And so that drives a lot of that voting for me. And I really wish I could just
plaster all over the walls like Republican does not mean abortion, it was just something that was thrown
into the ticket to try to get Christians to vote for Republicans, like health care is not politics, for me.
Tim Brown 37:59
Mhm
Emily Douglas 38:00
And so it's two totally different fields, like doctors, as you know, are trained. Did you take politics in med
school, like when you are going to be a surgical tech where they like, Tim, sit down like this is the
political system, you need to know about it, because you're a physician. Probably not.
Tim Brown 38:14
yeah
Emily Douglas 38:15
And so And likewise, politicians are not told, like the correct way to manipulate a scalpel.
Tim Brown 38:20
yeah
Emily Douglas 38:20
And so these are totally different fields, and they should be respected as such politics should not guide
our science. And so I don't know if that's Republican or Democrat. But I just I think the thing that pisses
me off the most is like I was thinking about this visualization of like a shelf in the grocery store that's like
fully stocked at the top. And like, tall, wealthy people who know all about networks and connections can
access all of the great stuff at the top. And in the middle, there are kind of some things that may not be
as great of a quality but like you just make do. But those shelves empty, quick and at the bottom, where
people maybe don't have networks access to people who can train access to education or equal
education. There's nothing and so which party fix is that. I don't know.
Tim Brown 39:09
That's the big question.
Emily Douglas 39:11
What about you?
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Well, um, so I mean, my upbringing, my mom being German. Yeah, she was a big Democratic socialist.
And still is today, I think. We talked about politics a lot, like she loves politics. She doesn't love what's
going on, but she loves being involved. So nowadays, she calls herself politically homeless-
Emily Douglas 39:40
Mmm I love that
Tim Brown 39:41
She's like, Yeah, you know, Democrats kind of you know don't really align with me anymore and
Republican party she kind of always stayed away from as far as myself, I think. I my, my views I think
haven't really changed much over time, so I think somewhere when I was like maybe 22, or 23, I was
like, I need to figure out like, yeah, now I'm doing this voting thing anyway, you know, understand these
things and figure out, you know, what, what I am. So I think at that time, I would have called myself like,
progressive. And now I think the lines have kind of been moved.
Emily Douglas 40:23
Mm
Tim Brown 40:23
So I would almost consider myself a moderate now,
Emily Douglas 40:26
Mhm
Tim Brown 40:27
but I don't think I have really changed around much as far as my views. You know, I believe in equality.
I, I do really find it important that everyone has their kind of their basic human rights,
Emily Douglas 40:44
Mm
Tim Brown 40:45
including the the freedom of speech,
Emily Douglas 40:48
Hm
Tim Brown 40:48
which I think nowadays kind of gets attacked, and that makes me uncomfortable.
Emily Douglas 40:53
Mhm
Tim Brown 40:57

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I think, economically, I'm, like, maybe a little bit more conservative,
Emily Douglas 41:01
Mm
Tim Brown 41:01
especially now going through school and kind of learning more in depth about how these systems work,
and the ramifications of some of our actions.
Emily Douglas 41:10
Mm
Tim Brown 41:10
I'm like, okay, you know, like, part of it, I think, as well as having worked in the military and seen how
the government does things. I'm like, yeah, when I see you know like a infrastructure bill for however
many trillion dollars, I'm like, Okay, well, how much of that money is actually working.
Emily Douglas 41:30
Mm
Tim Brown 41:31
Because I know, when I was doing my job, you know, I saw the signing off receipts on the supplies that
we were buying. And I also you know saw how much of that stuff either didn't get used or got thrown
away, or like, oh, no, I like this one better throw it away. Or, oh, there's a new one out, you know, throw
it away. So our government is not lean, we're the opposite of lean. So I think I have issues with that.
And it's not that I mind, you know, debt or spending money on programs, but I want the programs to
work and want them to be, you know, well thought out. And I want them to kind of in the same way, you
know, I make a personal approach with I want it you know, the best value.
Emily Douglas 42:15
Yeah.
Tim Brown 42:17
So that's more so what I focus on like, the social issues, I think I don't really get too into it. I think
everyone should have equal rights. But other than that, I think I kind of stay away from a lot of that stuff.
Emily Douglas 42:34
Yeah, you've had a great like, behind the curtain view, being in the military to see some of these things
that, you know, if we're not, maybe if we're not watching a war, or we're not hearing about a bill, or if
we're not hearing about a family who's suffering because of or veterans who are coming home and
what they're going through. We don't have to think about the military.
Tim Brown 42:56
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Emily Douglas 42:57
You got to see it to say, you are on the inside. To see where things are going. You understand how it
works. So when something comes on TV, you're like, you can say that's not really how it is or
Tim Brown 43:10
Yeah.
Emily Douglas 43:10
I wonder how much of this is actually going to work.
Tim Brown 43:13
Yeah, we do. My friends and I we do like to, to call BS on a lot of things. Yeah-
Emily Douglas 43:23
I wish we had like veteran commentators can there be like be like a veteran, or like even active duty
military news channel where they can just be like, nope. Like, we're like football players come back to
be commentary. Commentators.
Tim Brown 43:36
Yeah.
Emily Douglas 43:37
I think that would be a great idea-
Tim Brown 43:38
that'd be interesting. Yeah,
Emily Douglas 43:39
I would listen to it
Tim Brown 43:40
I know a guy would love to do that, as long as his name wouldn't be attached to it.
Emily Douglas 43:45
See, and that's the first part like you should be able to voice in your own country when things aren't
going well.
Tim Brown 43:51
Yeah
Emily Douglas 43:52
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Tim Brown 43:52
yeah
Emily Douglas 43:53
psychological safety.
I'm curious if you you know, I think you both have kind of me slightly different backgrounds of what your
parents believe politically and where where you kind of ended up, which is less different than I think a
lot of people anticipate coming into these conversations.
Tim Brown 44:10
Yeah
Who think they're gonna be the opposite of the person they're sitting across from. But we do try to also
think about people's other experiences and identities beyond just their political beliefs. But I'm curious
to know along the way or even now, if you've felt misunderstood, or that people make assumptions
about you or your beliefs and how you've dealt with that in your life.
Emily Douglas 44:39
It's your turn.
Tim Brown 44:42
Um, yeah, I mean, I think right now going to school as a 26 year old being surrounded by 18 to 21 year
olds. As soon as they kind of figure out I'm older or a veteran I think they it's never really explicitly said
but I think that I get the the feeling that they think I'm some like conservative dude who like you know is
gonna yell about how Obama wants to take my gun and bla bla bla bla bla so yeah, I think I do feel
misunderstood sometimes. What's the second part of that question. Okay. Well, as far as, yeah, I feel
misunderstood though honestly, I don't really care.
Emily Douglas 45:38
Yeah, yeah, I thought about that in your bio, and you're trying to like picture who you're talking or going
to speak to. And I was like, Oh, cool. California, Hawaii. Military, but surgical. Mm hmm. Like what.
Tim Brown 45:50
Yeah
Emily Douglas 45:51
Yeah. And there's labels are so harsh.
Tim Brown 45:52
Yeah,

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Emily Douglas 45:53
I feel like veteran. You know, our brains immediately go to like stereotype bias mode, like,
unconsciously like,
Tim Brown 46:02
Oh definitely.
Emily Douglas 46:02
but how do we catch it to be like, military military. What does that mean. In my experience. Okay, these
things. So now I know these things about Tim. But I don't. Do you know, and. Yeah, I think I think
veteran is for me is almost like a stronger label of just like, well, I'm in the, in the military. And then I just
always want to be like, Why
Tim Brown 46:23
Yeah
Emily Douglas 46:24
Or like, tell me why. So I can understand, you know, that that means a lot in whatever you choose to
do. But veteran is always. I don't know, it just brings so many other things like are you okay,
Tim Brown 46:38
Yeah
Emily Douglas 46:38
do
Tim Brown 46:38
yeah
Emily Douglas 46:39
you know I want you to be okay.
Tim Brown 46:41
Yeah
Emily Douglas 46:43
Yeah.
Tim Brown 46:44
Try not to make loud noise or sudden movements.
Emily Douglas 46:48
Yeah. Yeah.

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Tim Brown 46:49
You can bring your dog with you like-
Emily Douglas 46:50
Yeah, you can keep your gun because you know how to use it. I don't know. Yeah. misunderstood by
me or my beliefs. I was misunderstood a lot by my family, because I went to an all women's college.
And so I had friends who were lesbians. And I stood up for them in their wedding ceremonies when
they could be legally married. And even before we would just have ceremonies,
Tim Brown 47:20
yeah
Emily Douglas 47:20
and my mom was just kind of like, I can't believe like you would do that. And I was like, I think first
everyone is called just to love people. And that's what I'm doing for my friend. And he or they or she
can find a source of spirituality or religion if they choose. Like, that's not my job.
Tim Brown 47:41
Mm
Emily Douglas 47:43
And I think as a, as a woman, it's hard to be, I remember working for this developer, and I thought I
knew things. I mean, I was I thought I had been educated. And you just don't feel like you have a voice.
I didn't feel like I had a voice until I was 30, maybe between 30 and 35. When I felt like I had a
presence at the table. And if I spoke people were like, oh, okay, Emily, whereas before, it was just like,
like you weren't even being listened to.
Tim Brown 48:18
yeah
Emily Douglas 48:19
And that may be age as well. And I think people think I'm younger than than I am. And so I it's hard for
me to like put a poster on the wall of this by to be like, I've, I don't know, if I know, You've been to
vacation to France, or they say. But like, I lived there. And that's quite I can't explain to you, but without
feeling like boastful
Tim Brown 48:40
yeah
Emily Douglas 48:40
that that's different.
Tim Brown 48:42
yeah

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Emily Douglas 48:42
And I gained a lot of things just like I was talking about, you've gained so much just by travel, being in
the military being around different cultures being around different people. We assume that everybody
has had this wealth of experience, but I think we're in the minority, because people travel for vacation,
and take something from that place. And then it's it's just a picture that they don't look at again, or
maybe a memory. But being and living and absorbing different people's experiences is I think so
valuable. And we don't talk about it enough as just like, This is what I bring to the table. And when you
do it's misunderstood. It's just like, oh, you jumped around a lot. So you're not, you know-
Tim Brown 49:23
yeah, yeah I can see that.
Emily Douglas 49:24
you don't really dig in or you don't like you're not loyal, or we can't depend on you to be here for a long
time. And it's it's quite the opposite.
Tim Brown 49:32
Yeah.
Emily Douglas 49:33
Yeah.
Tim Brown 49:34
Have you gotten that before?
Emily Douglas 49:35
Oh, totally. Totally. Yeah, like resume work or just like, Oh, you're only here for these places for a year.
How would you defend that. And I'm like, I was done with that project.
Tim Brown 49:44
Yeah
Emily Douglas 49:44
Like I was also burnt out maybe and needed to shift which now these words are like gratefully, much
more common of just like I needed like space for my mental health, or I was feeling down like that five
years ago would be like, so you left Like, so you're very undependable as an employee. I'm like, how is
that undependable. I have emotional awareness that I bring to the table and know like when I need to
check out and take a break, like that means I will stay longer.
Tim Brown 50:12
Mhm yeah.
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Yeah.
Tim Brown 50:16
That's interesting.
So speaking of, you know, communicating and being able to talk about things more openly than we
than we used to, there can still be conflict, I think, on the same sides of issues when people are fighting
the same fight, but don't necessarily use the same tools or use the same language. And do you do you
ever feel concerned about people who believe the same things as you about the way that they
communicate those ideals. Or the way that they go about trying to make change happen. Do you ever
find that challenging. And are there issues or topics where you have a different way of communicating.
Then people who are on your side, so to speak.
Emily Douglas 51:05
Like, do you get in fights with people on your same side? Hm
Tim Brown 51:11
That's a tough question.
Emily Douglas 51:12
I know.
Tim Brown 51:13
Did you write these.
I wish I could say that I was a genius behind these. Story core, is full of smart people who asked really
good questions. I just get to be the mouthpiece.
Tim Brown 51:25
I think it's so I think I have issues with kind of, since I don't really identify with one side of the aisle or
other. I think I have issues with how both sides communicate. I mean, on one hand, I think the more like
liberal progressive people, I'm like, okay, like you're fighting for a good cause. But you're being
annoying. You're getting on my nerves. I agree with you entirely, but you're getting on my nerves. And
on the other side, with the more conservative crowd. I don't even I don't even know how to speak to.
You're also getting on my nerves-
Emily Douglas 52:10
Yeah, it's almost like who can scream the loudest.
Tim Brown 52:13
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Emily Douglas 52:13
And I was, depending on the Democratic Party. To not polarize. More. Yeah. Like to not, not like,
continue to speak in a calm voice to be like, It's okay. We're going to come back together. It's okay.
Well, Republicans were yelling and screaming and running around in circles like that-
Tim Brown 52:29
We need people like your dad
Emily Douglas 52:30
what I hoped. Yeah, to be like, it's gonna be but then they also were like, well, if they're getting all the
attention, yelling and screaming, we have to yell and scream about, it doesn't matter.
Tim Brown 52:39
yeah
Emily Douglas 52:39
Just yell and scream. And I'm like, but what are our values. Okay. Um, I love politically homeless, I'm
going to borrow that from your mother.
Tim Brown 52:49
Yeah.
Emily Douglas 52:51
I can't think of a specific issue. I always fear being in an echo chamber
Tim Brown 52:56
Mhm
Emily Douglas 52:57
of like, you know, we, you and I could probably sit here and be like, uhhuh uhhuh back and forth. And I,
you know, read the New York Times I listened to NPR, I don't watch news on TV, because it's too
fanatical. And I can't, it gives me a headache to watch all the things going on on the screen. And they
just keep saying the same stories over and over and over. And so I am like, do I get all my news. Like,
what's the most neutral place. And I depend on NPR to be super neutral. And is it the most neutral.
Should I also like, I don't know, read USA Today and watch Fox News or like, read a local paper. You
know, I don't so chall, trying to challenge myself in that way, as well. So I can know both sides of the
story and choose because I'm unable to choose right now as a consumer of politics,
Tim Brown 53:15
yeah yeah
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so I can't say. So. I'll pick some from both. And when voting comes, I guess whatever tips the scales
the most, but I'm not sold on. Like my husband went by he's like, is this is this all we have Biden, like, Is
this our best. And I was like, I think we just need like a bomb all over our bodies for four years.
Tim Brown 54:12
yeah
Emily Douglas 54:12
Just like just be quiet. And then we'll have the radical like Democrat, maybe.
Tim Brown 54:17
yeah
Emily Douglas 54:17
But maybe we don't ever need that. Like, I don't know. But it's this was too much one way. And we just
need to find balance somewhere. And I need balance. So I want to know what you know, and I want to
know what she knows. And what do I know.
Tim Brown 54:32
Yeah.
Emily Douglas 54:32
And I think this is an awesome exercise because you can never really affirm what you believe unless
you talk about it.
Tim Brown 54:39
Yeah, yeah
Emily Douglas 54:40
you know, I could just read and believe like, women, everybody should have choice what happens to
their body like abortion was just a flag that was like waved, but like let's shut that back down. Women
could do whatever they want. And so yeah, yeah.
Tim Brown 55:00
Yeah, I mean, I think I enjoy going to the extremes every now and then it's almost like, maybe it's
similar to like Doom scrolling. But yeah, every now and then just you know, watching some good old
like Fox News. What's his name Ben Carson.
Emily Douglas 55:20
Mhm
Tim Brown 55:20
And, you know, on the other side as well. It's it's almost like comedic for me.

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Emily Douglas 55:26
Yeah.
Tim Brown 55:28
And I also really like being in school, it has, like, you know, we have those moments where you have 20
minutes, and you can just be like, Hey, you hear about this article is like, oh, no, this is my take, you
know, so we have that, those opportunities to kind of like, like you said, you know, like, just kind of
really talk things out. So that's been really helpful for me. And even at home. My girlfriend, my partner,
she her and I we go at it all the time. And it's so much fun.
Emily Douglas 56:01
yeah
Tim Brown 56:01
We were both like very much so like, Yin and Yang but oil and water, too. And I think it's good for both
of us-
Emily Douglas 56:09
Yeah. Does she have a different belief system like structure politically than you do?
Tim Brown 56:14
Yeah, I think she she's a lot more liberal progressive than I am. So oftentimes, it's it's me, bringing her
back, or, you know, her kind of bringing me out. And I'm like, okay, you're right.
Emily Douglas 56:30
yeah.
Tim Brown 56:31
Sometimes we'll do kind of group calls with my mom, too.
Emily Douglas 56:35
cool
Tim Brown 56:35
And then its.
Emily Douglas 56:38
that's really cool. I like that. I almost got the idea too, like how cool it would be to be a role play. Like,
you'd be the Republican I'll be the Democrat.
Tim Brown 56:46
yeah
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We don't have to know all the information. Let's just like attack each other.
Tim Brown 56:49
yeah
Emily Douglas 56:50
And then like, be like, Oh, that was so dumb. But like, I heard you in this one thing. And I really like
what you said, like, or like study, here are 10 bullet points to know about
Tim Brown 56:58
yeah
Emily Douglas 56:59
now go have a debate.
Tim Brown 57:00
Yeah.
Emily Douglas 57:01
Let me do that later.
We're kind of coming to the close up our time here. And I kind of want to ask a couple of just like
closing questions. Since we have started, you know, recording these conversations, you are one of our
first kind of in house conversations here. Is this an experience that you would try to replicate and other
conversations you have with people. And what were your expectations going in versus coming out of
this. This, this experience.
Emily Douglas 57:38
I would love to replicate it, I was a little like, prepping out my outer layer of skin to know like, if you were
gonna come in and be like, No, you can't have an abortion. And I'd be like, ugh how do I do this.
Because I have built an echo chamber. Do you know I do, there are quite a few rings. I mean, my
parents well, I get to my parents, but like, socially, I'm pretty well protected, you know, from having
these types of like, conversations that would just make me be like, I'm full of rage, and I can't even talk
to you like, it's all emotional. It's not factual. It's just like, I feel like this is wrong. So I think that's what I
was. I was like, thinking coming into it, like, will it be something like that, but then like, I'm sure they've
prepared it in a way that we're going to be, it's gonna be okay. I would love to have space. Like, I love
this type of space. And I love this type of interaction. The reason I want to do this is just know
somebody. It's amazing after just 45 minutes, like, I feel like I know a bit of you-
Tim Brown 58:44
right.
Emily Douglas 58:44

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Like, probably even more than, like, people I work with, like, so that I
Tim Brown 58:48
yeah
Emily Douglas 58:48
see every day. Like, I feel like I, I know you and like if I, I hope I seem to be like, hey, like,
Tim Brown 58:54
yeah
Emily Douglas 58:54
I kind of know you now. Like, even though we like I just do and I love that that feeling. And I knew like
this, like knowing about StoryCore that this is what it produces. And like, okay, that felt really good. How
can I know more people this way. And how can I give this gift to other people too, especially where I am
at facilities management of like, I just want you guys to sit down together and I'll ask you a couple of
questions. And if you want to get in a fight, we'll take a break. But like, I love the idea of thinking about
how to replicate it. Yeah, even with family.
Tim Brown 59:37
Yeah, that's a tough one.
Emily Douglas 59:39
Thanksgivings coming up.
Tim Brown 59:40
Yeah. Yeah, I agree. I think this has been a really good experience. I, I've spoken to a few people
who've done some of these so I kind of knew a little bit what to expect and like everyone I spoken to is
like, yeah, it's it's great.
Emily Douglas 59:57
Mm
Tim Brown 59:58
Go do it and you'll have it I was kind of expecting like maybe like a teenager who was gonna yell at me
or tell me why I'm wrong about all these things. So I think we're kind of like in the
Emily Douglas 1:00:15
yeah
Tim Brown 1:00:15
same get ready for this but yeah, I mean I think it's it's both surprising and not really surprising how like
how many things we can connect on it's like oh, but also like yeah we're human you know we have

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similar experiences so I really do wish that we could get a kind of spread this kind of interaction like, like
the plague
New plague. Blue plague-
Tim Brown 1:00:47
That'd be nice. Yeah. The story virus-
this story virus I like it.
Tim Brown 1:00:53
Yeah.
Oh, this is good they're going to hire you.

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