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Enterprise Product Development & Sales 
Beyond Malaysia 
Malaysia 
C-3A-1, Sky Park OneCity 
Jalan USJ 25/1, Subang Jaya 
47650 Selangor, Malaysia 
Indonesia 
Jl. Kapten Tendean No.52 
40141 Bandung 
Jawa Barat, Indonesia
Presenters’ Background 
George Lee 
• Founded Innov8tif, Mobiz, as 
Managing Director 
• Co-founded JogetWorkflow 
(VP, Business Development) 
• 15 years experience in sales & 
business development of 
enterprise software solution. 
• Ex-Sales Director of a public 
listed software company. 
Tiensoon Law 
• Founded Innov8tif, Mobiz, as 
Technology Director 
• Co-founded JogetWorkflow 
(VP, Consulting) 
• 9 years experience in 
enterprise software product 
development. 
• Ex-Product Mngr. of a public 
listed software company.
Presenter’s Personal Bits 
George Lee 
@cupnoodles 
Tiensoon Law 
@tiensoon
Enterprise Software Development
Enterprise vs Consumer Software 
Key Differences 
1. Buyer 
2. Requirements gathering 
3. Who to please, satisfy or comply to? 
4. System integrations 
5. Engineering trends & needs 
6. Security and auditing requirements
1. Buyer
Consumer 
• Individual user/customer 
• Spending his/her own $ 
Enterprise 
• Group(s) of people/users 
• Spending company’s $
2. Requirements Gathering
Consumer 
• Founder’s life experience 
Enterprise 
• Someone from the 
industry, or subject matter 
expert
Ability to Build != Ability to Sell
Reselling a Customer’s Project to 
Another Customer
3. Who to Please/Satisfy or Comply 
to?
Consumer 
• Individual user/customer 
Enterprise 
• Multiple users, user 
groups/departments, 
stakeholders 
In some cases, compliance to the industry-governing local 
regulations and laws
Examples of Regulatory Frameworks 
Related to Software for Financial & 
Insurance Industries in Malaysia 
• BNM Guidelines on: 
– Management of IT Environment 
– Internet Insurance 
– Provision of Internet Banking Services 
– Anti-Money Laundering and Counter Financing of Terrorism 
– Know Your Customer (KYC) 
– Stress Testing 
• Personal Data Protection Act (PDPA)
To Take Care of Everyone’s Rice 
Bowl
To Take Care of Everyone’s Rice Bowl 
• Business Users (Project 
Owner) 
– I just need something like 
Dropbox 
– Plus the ability to manage 
access rights 
• Security Department 
– Enterprise security 
requirements 
– File transfer and storage 
security 
– 2 factor authentication 
• IT Department 
– IT & admin controls 
– Platform requirements 
– Policy management 
– Workflow management 
– IT management 
– Network monitoring 
– Audi logging and reports 
• C Level 
– Executive dashboard
Identify Partners to Fulfill the 
Missing Gaps
Proof of Concept (PoC)
Consumer 
• Free-trial 
• Standard product 
Enterprise 
• (Free) and 
(Customized) PoC, or 
even trial run 
Low Touch 
High Touch 
Consumer Enterprise
4. System Integrations
Consumer 
• Mostly are only involving 
the social media and 
OAuth integration. APIs 
are very well documented 
and supported. 
Enterprise 
• Always involves some 
forms of system 
integrations 
• May even include legacy 
systems.
Challenges with Enterprise System 
Integrations 
Wide array of integration methods, from the sexy to 
the ugly. 
If You are Lucky 
• SOAP Web Services 
• XML API 
• Message Queue 
• LDAP 
If Unlucky 
• SQL query 
• Platform-specific SDK 
• CSV or Excel files 
• Fixed-length messages 
• Integration not supported!
5. Engineering Trends & Needs
Consumer 
• Any programming 
language or platform you 
like. Ruby, Scala, Python, 
PHP, Dart etc. 
Enterprise 
• Industry-specific 
preferences. 
• Readiness of talents and 
resources. 
• Taking care of everyone’s 
rice bowl.
Know Your Industry’s Preferences 
• Malaysia’s government sector is pro-open source, 
driven by Open Source Competency Center (OSCC) 
master plans and guidelines.
Know Your Industry’s Preferences 
• Banking and financial services sector is heavily 
influenced by the big brands (e.g. Silverlake, IBM, 
Oracle). And these architectures are Java-stack 
driven.
Cobol is Still Used!
FREE Software Licenses & NO 
Support Subscription?
Remember that You have to Take 
Care of Everyone’s Rice Bowl?
Don’t Spell “Disaster” to Highly Paid CTO/CIO
SaaS is NOT for Everyone
SaaS is NOT for Everyone 
• Banking & financial industry needs to 
own the customer data. 
– So SaaS never will work for this industry? 
• Opex 
• or Capex?
6. Security & Auditing Requirements
Network Infrastructure 
Application Server Cluster 1 
Application Server Cluster 2 
Internet 
Apache HTTP, Nginx, 
IIS or NLB
Network Infrastructure 
Application Server 
(Passenger, GlassFish, JBoss, 
IIS) 
Internet 
Apache HTTP, Nginx, 
or IIS 
?
Network Infrastructure 
Application Server 
(Passenger, GlassFish, 
JBoss, IIS) 
DMZ 
Apache HTTP, Nginx, 
or IIS 
(Reverse Proxy) 
Private / Trusted Zone 
Internet
Granular Authorization and Access 
Control 
• Control user group’s authorization by action: 
– Create record 
– Edit record 
– View record 
– Search records 
– Delete record 
– Export records 
– Generate reports 
• Concept of Super/Power User
Comprehensive Logging and Audit Trails 
For each action: 
• Who? 
• When? 
• From where? 
• What was the previous 
value?
5. Selling to Enterprise 
Now the tough part!
Securing the 
Enterprise 
Customer 
Dinners? Karaoke? Golf? 
What does it 
take? 
Use Cases:
Understand 
Enterprise 
to Sell to 
Enterprise
Enterprise Barriers 
• New Solution 
– Is it Proven? 
– Who is Using? 
– Anyone from same 
Industry? 
• Company Small & New 
– How big is your team? 
– How do you support us? 
– What happened if you 
are longer around?
Buying from a Startup 
• In line with their GROWTH 
& TREND 
• Solving their PAIN POINTS 
• Make them a SUPER HERO 
to their boss 
• Make them want you to 
FIGHT FOR YOU 
• GET A FOOT in but 
don’t over do it
Addressing Enterprise Concerns 
• Trusted Partner 
– Existing VENDOR 
– BIG ENOUGH reputation 
– RESOURCES to Support 
– Existing NETWORK 
– Align to BIG BOYS 
• Product Strategy 
– SHOWand PROOF 
– READY for production 
– CONTINUITY ability without you 
– Show ability to SCALE 
– Build your CLIENT BASE
Sustaining your Enterprise 
• Build TRUST from Day 1 
• Be RELIABLE & KEEP YOUR 
PROMISE always 
• GO FURTHER than what 
you promise 
• RELATIONSHIP SELLING 
helps retain your customer 
and brings more!
Selling Beyond Malaysia 
• Are you ready? (Product, Language, 
Time & Budget) 
• Get some Help – Matrade & MDEC, 
now MAGIC ;) 
• Creative Strategy 
• Self Secure first few local customers 
• Figure out Local Partner & Support 
• Get your Existing Client to Intro to 
local counterpart
Question & Answers 
Thank You

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MaGIC Startup Academy Launch : Day 1 - Enterprise Product Development & Sales Beyond Malaysia ( Law Tien Soon & George Lee )

  • 1. Enterprise Product Development & Sales Beyond Malaysia Malaysia C-3A-1, Sky Park OneCity Jalan USJ 25/1, Subang Jaya 47650 Selangor, Malaysia Indonesia Jl. Kapten Tendean No.52 40141 Bandung Jawa Barat, Indonesia
  • 2. Presenters’ Background George Lee • Founded Innov8tif, Mobiz, as Managing Director • Co-founded JogetWorkflow (VP, Business Development) • 15 years experience in sales & business development of enterprise software solution. • Ex-Sales Director of a public listed software company. Tiensoon Law • Founded Innov8tif, Mobiz, as Technology Director • Co-founded JogetWorkflow (VP, Consulting) • 9 years experience in enterprise software product development. • Ex-Product Mngr. of a public listed software company.
  • 3. Presenter’s Personal Bits George Lee @cupnoodles Tiensoon Law @tiensoon
  • 5. Enterprise vs Consumer Software Key Differences 1. Buyer 2. Requirements gathering 3. Who to please, satisfy or comply to? 4. System integrations 5. Engineering trends & needs 6. Security and auditing requirements
  • 7. Consumer • Individual user/customer • Spending his/her own $ Enterprise • Group(s) of people/users • Spending company’s $
  • 9. Consumer • Founder’s life experience Enterprise • Someone from the industry, or subject matter expert
  • 10. Ability to Build != Ability to Sell
  • 11.
  • 12. Reselling a Customer’s Project to Another Customer
  • 13. 3. Who to Please/Satisfy or Comply to?
  • 14. Consumer • Individual user/customer Enterprise • Multiple users, user groups/departments, stakeholders In some cases, compliance to the industry-governing local regulations and laws
  • 15. Examples of Regulatory Frameworks Related to Software for Financial & Insurance Industries in Malaysia • BNM Guidelines on: – Management of IT Environment – Internet Insurance – Provision of Internet Banking Services – Anti-Money Laundering and Counter Financing of Terrorism – Know Your Customer (KYC) – Stress Testing • Personal Data Protection Act (PDPA)
  • 16. To Take Care of Everyone’s Rice Bowl
  • 17. To Take Care of Everyone’s Rice Bowl • Business Users (Project Owner) – I just need something like Dropbox – Plus the ability to manage access rights • Security Department – Enterprise security requirements – File transfer and storage security – 2 factor authentication • IT Department – IT & admin controls – Platform requirements – Policy management – Workflow management – IT management – Network monitoring – Audi logging and reports • C Level – Executive dashboard
  • 18. Identify Partners to Fulfill the Missing Gaps
  • 20. Consumer • Free-trial • Standard product Enterprise • (Free) and (Customized) PoC, or even trial run Low Touch High Touch Consumer Enterprise
  • 22. Consumer • Mostly are only involving the social media and OAuth integration. APIs are very well documented and supported. Enterprise • Always involves some forms of system integrations • May even include legacy systems.
  • 23. Challenges with Enterprise System Integrations Wide array of integration methods, from the sexy to the ugly. If You are Lucky • SOAP Web Services • XML API • Message Queue • LDAP If Unlucky • SQL query • Platform-specific SDK • CSV or Excel files • Fixed-length messages • Integration not supported!
  • 25. Consumer • Any programming language or platform you like. Ruby, Scala, Python, PHP, Dart etc. Enterprise • Industry-specific preferences. • Readiness of talents and resources. • Taking care of everyone’s rice bowl.
  • 26. Know Your Industry’s Preferences • Malaysia’s government sector is pro-open source, driven by Open Source Competency Center (OSCC) master plans and guidelines.
  • 27. Know Your Industry’s Preferences • Banking and financial services sector is heavily influenced by the big brands (e.g. Silverlake, IBM, Oracle). And these architectures are Java-stack driven.
  • 28. Cobol is Still Used!
  • 29. FREE Software Licenses & NO Support Subscription?
  • 30. Remember that You have to Take Care of Everyone’s Rice Bowl?
  • 31. Don’t Spell “Disaster” to Highly Paid CTO/CIO
  • 32. SaaS is NOT for Everyone
  • 33. SaaS is NOT for Everyone • Banking & financial industry needs to own the customer data. – So SaaS never will work for this industry? • Opex • or Capex?
  • 34. 6. Security & Auditing Requirements
  • 35. Network Infrastructure Application Server Cluster 1 Application Server Cluster 2 Internet Apache HTTP, Nginx, IIS or NLB
  • 36. Network Infrastructure Application Server (Passenger, GlassFish, JBoss, IIS) Internet Apache HTTP, Nginx, or IIS ?
  • 37. Network Infrastructure Application Server (Passenger, GlassFish, JBoss, IIS) DMZ Apache HTTP, Nginx, or IIS (Reverse Proxy) Private / Trusted Zone Internet
  • 38. Granular Authorization and Access Control • Control user group’s authorization by action: – Create record – Edit record – View record – Search records – Delete record – Export records – Generate reports • Concept of Super/Power User
  • 39. Comprehensive Logging and Audit Trails For each action: • Who? • When? • From where? • What was the previous value?
  • 40. 5. Selling to Enterprise Now the tough part!
  • 41. Securing the Enterprise Customer Dinners? Karaoke? Golf? What does it take? Use Cases:
  • 42. Understand Enterprise to Sell to Enterprise
  • 43. Enterprise Barriers • New Solution – Is it Proven? – Who is Using? – Anyone from same Industry? • Company Small & New – How big is your team? – How do you support us? – What happened if you are longer around?
  • 44. Buying from a Startup • In line with their GROWTH & TREND • Solving their PAIN POINTS • Make them a SUPER HERO to their boss • Make them want you to FIGHT FOR YOU • GET A FOOT in but don’t over do it
  • 45. Addressing Enterprise Concerns • Trusted Partner – Existing VENDOR – BIG ENOUGH reputation – RESOURCES to Support – Existing NETWORK – Align to BIG BOYS • Product Strategy – SHOWand PROOF – READY for production – CONTINUITY ability without you – Show ability to SCALE – Build your CLIENT BASE
  • 46. Sustaining your Enterprise • Build TRUST from Day 1 • Be RELIABLE & KEEP YOUR PROMISE always • GO FURTHER than what you promise • RELATIONSHIP SELLING helps retain your customer and brings more!
  • 47. Selling Beyond Malaysia • Are you ready? (Product, Language, Time & Budget) • Get some Help – Matrade & MDEC, now MAGIC ;) • Creative Strategy • Self Secure first few local customers • Figure out Local Partner & Support • Get your Existing Client to Intro to local counterpart
  • 48. Question & Answers Thank You