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PRACTICE
P epcid
R eglan
A lcohol
C rying
T axes
I buprofen
C omputer Crap
E nergy (or lack thereof)
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The eight things attorneys,
accountants and practice managers
don’t tell you about practice
ownership
Raymond J Ramirez DVM
University of Illinois 1986
ray@ramirezdvm.com
Ramirezdvm.com
Slideshare.net/rayjramirez
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PRACTICE
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P rimary concerns
R egulatory concerns and government
A dvertising
C ash
T ime for Family and Friends
I nventory
C ulture of your practice
E mployees
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PRACTICE
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P rimary concerns
R egulatory concerns and government
A dvertising
C ash
T ime for Family and Friends
I nventory
C ulture of your practice
E mployees
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Primary Concerns
• How many looking to buy current practice?
– New to you practice?
– Basics such as phone number &
– fax number (efax.com, faxaway.com)
– Address
• How many buying existing workplace?
• New to you practice?
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Primary Concerns
• How many looking to buy current practice?
– License numbers- have taped to full sheet for faxing, or
scan/ save as PDF to send as template.
– FEIN number – an IRS based number
– DEA number – controlled substances – many things
‘are done’ but not all are legal.
• Do you know the legalities of what a DEA registrant can do,
and not?
• What can a non registrant professional use of controlled
substance?
• Does your state require a ‘controlled substance license’ (tax)
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Primary Concerns
• Questions?

Avoiding…
Pepcid
Reglan
Alcohol
Crying
Taxes
Ibuprofen
Computer Crap
Energy (or lack thereof)

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PRACTICE
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P rimary concerns
R egulatory concerns and government
A dvertising
C ash
T ime for Family and Friends
I nventory
C ulture of your practice
E mployees
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Regulatory: Big Brother
• Many things accountants can/ should help
• New hires
– Unemployment claims
• In IL- if release employee before 21 days, not
‘count’ against unemployment. 21 calendar days –
not work/ scheduled days.
• We make decision in 14 to give ourselves leaway

10
Regulatory: Big Brother
• Letters received from State or Federal
government (Dept of Employment Security)
– MUST BE OPENED IMMIDIATELY
– You have 5 business days to respond
• Takes 2-3 business days to receive letter

– Successful/ unsuccessful unemployment claims
are based on timing. If past time, does not
matter if you are correct, missed window
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Regulatory
• Questions?

Avoiding…
Pepcid
Reglan
Alcohol
Crying
Taxes
Ibuprofen
Computer Crap
Energy (or lack
thereof)

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PRACTICE
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P rimary concerns
R egulatory concerns and government
A dvertising
C ash
T ime for Family and Friends
I nventory
C ulture of your practice
E mployees
13
Advertising & Marketing
• We hear ideas and suggestions at great
conferences like this and articles.
• But what do you want to do?
• It is all you – your idea, follow through,
measurement, how to evaluate, continue or
stop

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Advertising & Marketing
• How do you measure?
• If we had a diabetic patient, and never
measured BG, how do you know if you
have the right insulin?
• Same for advertising & marketing

15
Advertising & Marketing
What is difference?
definition:
Advertising: How do I attract new clients?
Marketing: How do we let current clients
know of our services?

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Measuring
• How are you measuring new clients?
• Of the last 50 new clients, how many do
you have accurate information? How many
are ‘missed’ by staff?
• What are your trends?
• Put on excel spreadsheet

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Retention of previous clients
• Reminder system
• Can your software track ‘reminder compliance’ –
how many due in Jan, and had vaccines done?
What about 1 month later?
• Put on excel sheet to track trends – you will not
remember from one month to next, certainly not
from year to year/ what was done differently.

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Retention
• Example from Lakeview Veterinary Clinic
• Previous had 3 tier system
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–
–
–

1st reminder: call that month
2nd reminder: call between 25-end of month
3rd reminder: call month after appt
Had 55% first month, 65-75% retention rate
after second month
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Retention
• Change #1
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–
–
–

1st reminder: phone call that month
2nd reminder: postcard after 20th of month
3rd reminder call month after appt
Continued 52-55% first month 65- 70%
retention rate after second month

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Retention
• Change #2
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–
–
–

1st reminder: Postcard that month
2nd reminder: postcard after 20th of month
3rd reminder call month after appt
First month: 40% second month 55% retention
rate
– We went back to #1
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Retention
• Change #3
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–

1st reminder: reminder magazine
2nd reminder: postcard after 20th of month
3rd reminder call month after appt
First month: 30% second month 50% retention
rate
– We went back to #1
– * note: most clients did not recognize magazine
was reminder of appt
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Be willing to try – but test
• Most veterinarians are nervous about
change
• Why?
• Because we are not measuring what we
want to change, and are worried it will be
worse.
• It may be worse, it may be better – Must
measure
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Advertising & Marketing

If you’re not
comfortable with self
promotion,
you’d better not be
self employed.
Glenn Shepard

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Advertising & Marketing
• Questions?

Avoiding…
Pepcid
Reglan
Alcohol
Crying
Taxes
Ibuprofen
Computer Crap
Energy (or lack thereof)

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PRACTICE
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P rimary concerns
R egulatory concerns and government
A dvertising
C ash
T ime for Family and Friends
I nventory
C ulture of your practice
E mployees
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Cash
• Some of these seem simple to implement, if
not familiar, can be quick time drain.
• Petty Cash: the money for getting cat litter
at grocery store, other incidentals? How do
you track?
• If funds are not tracked, sticky fingers will
find and remove for you.
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Cash
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Cash drawer
How much/ denominations
How many to have in rotation?
YOU should take to bank daily – shows you
are paying attention.
• Bank statements sent to your home
• Have someone other than regular staff
balance, if you are not. (theft issue)
28
Cash
• Check on number of deposits – will vary by
bank.
• In average clinic day, how many deposits
will you have by ‘banking’ standards?
• Cash + check =1
• Visa, MC, Discover + Debit = 1
• Care credit =1
29
Cash
• Most important:
• Who gets to charge, and what are criterion.
• There is no perfect way to manage ‘to bill
or not to bill’
– What ‘headaches’ and problems do you want to
deal with

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Cash
• Allowing billing
• Pro’s: may get to do more treatments/ surgeries
• Con: establish criterion (coming to practice for
year – have had 5 payments, new owner with
parvovirus puppy
• Will be sending out statements
• In veterinary offices approx 5% do not pay bill

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Cash
• No billing
• Pro’s: No billing, or deciding if can take appt from
Mrs Smith who owe’s you $400 and has not paid
in 2 months
• Con: will hear “all you care about is money”. Yes,
because you don’t care to pay me.
• We offer Care Credit as in house solution.
• If not qualify for Care Credit – why should I ‘loan
them’ money.
32
Cash
• How often to raise
prices?
• Demographic, or via
costs?
• How are you tracking
costs – goes to
accountant

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Cash (instead of crying)
• Questions?

Avoiding…
Pepcid
Reglan
Alcohol
Crying
Taxes
Ibuprofen
Computer Crap
Energy (or lack thereof)

34
Next session:
• P rimary concerns
• R egulatory concerns and
government
• A dvertising
• C ash
• T ime for Family and
Friends
• I nventory
• C ulture of your practice
• E mployees

Avoiding…
Pepcid
Reglan
Alcohol
Crying
Taxes
Ibuprofen
Computer Crap
Energy (or lack thereof)

35

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P1what-attourney accountants and practice managers DON't tell you about practice ownership

  • 1. PRACTICE P epcid R eglan A lcohol C rying T axes I buprofen C omputer Crap E nergy (or lack thereof) 1
  • 2. The eight things attorneys, accountants and practice managers don’t tell you about practice ownership Raymond J Ramirez DVM University of Illinois 1986 ray@ramirezdvm.com Ramirezdvm.com Slideshare.net/rayjramirez 2
  • 3. PRACTICE • • • • • • • • P rimary concerns R egulatory concerns and government A dvertising C ash T ime for Family and Friends I nventory C ulture of your practice E mployees 3
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  • 5. PRACTICE • • • • • • • • P rimary concerns R egulatory concerns and government A dvertising C ash T ime for Family and Friends I nventory C ulture of your practice E mployees 5
  • 6. Primary Concerns • How many looking to buy current practice? – New to you practice? – Basics such as phone number & – fax number (efax.com, faxaway.com) – Address • How many buying existing workplace? • New to you practice? 6
  • 7. Primary Concerns • How many looking to buy current practice? – License numbers- have taped to full sheet for faxing, or scan/ save as PDF to send as template. – FEIN number – an IRS based number – DEA number – controlled substances – many things ‘are done’ but not all are legal. • Do you know the legalities of what a DEA registrant can do, and not? • What can a non registrant professional use of controlled substance? • Does your state require a ‘controlled substance license’ (tax) 7
  • 9. PRACTICE • • • • • • • • P rimary concerns R egulatory concerns and government A dvertising C ash T ime for Family and Friends I nventory C ulture of your practice E mployees 9
  • 10. Regulatory: Big Brother • Many things accountants can/ should help • New hires – Unemployment claims • In IL- if release employee before 21 days, not ‘count’ against unemployment. 21 calendar days – not work/ scheduled days. • We make decision in 14 to give ourselves leaway 10
  • 11. Regulatory: Big Brother • Letters received from State or Federal government (Dept of Employment Security) – MUST BE OPENED IMMIDIATELY – You have 5 business days to respond • Takes 2-3 business days to receive letter – Successful/ unsuccessful unemployment claims are based on timing. If past time, does not matter if you are correct, missed window 11
  • 13. PRACTICE • • • • • • • • P rimary concerns R egulatory concerns and government A dvertising C ash T ime for Family and Friends I nventory C ulture of your practice E mployees 13
  • 14. Advertising & Marketing • We hear ideas and suggestions at great conferences like this and articles. • But what do you want to do? • It is all you – your idea, follow through, measurement, how to evaluate, continue or stop 14
  • 15. Advertising & Marketing • How do you measure? • If we had a diabetic patient, and never measured BG, how do you know if you have the right insulin? • Same for advertising & marketing 15
  • 16. Advertising & Marketing What is difference? definition: Advertising: How do I attract new clients? Marketing: How do we let current clients know of our services? 16
  • 17. Measuring • How are you measuring new clients? • Of the last 50 new clients, how many do you have accurate information? How many are ‘missed’ by staff? • What are your trends? • Put on excel spreadsheet 17
  • 18. Retention of previous clients • Reminder system • Can your software track ‘reminder compliance’ – how many due in Jan, and had vaccines done? What about 1 month later? • Put on excel sheet to track trends – you will not remember from one month to next, certainly not from year to year/ what was done differently. 18
  • 19. Retention • Example from Lakeview Veterinary Clinic • Previous had 3 tier system – – – – 1st reminder: call that month 2nd reminder: call between 25-end of month 3rd reminder: call month after appt Had 55% first month, 65-75% retention rate after second month 19
  • 20. Retention • Change #1 – – – – 1st reminder: phone call that month 2nd reminder: postcard after 20th of month 3rd reminder call month after appt Continued 52-55% first month 65- 70% retention rate after second month 20
  • 21. Retention • Change #2 – – – – 1st reminder: Postcard that month 2nd reminder: postcard after 20th of month 3rd reminder call month after appt First month: 40% second month 55% retention rate – We went back to #1 21
  • 22. Retention • Change #3 – – – – 1st reminder: reminder magazine 2nd reminder: postcard after 20th of month 3rd reminder call month after appt First month: 30% second month 50% retention rate – We went back to #1 – * note: most clients did not recognize magazine was reminder of appt 22
  • 23. Be willing to try – but test • Most veterinarians are nervous about change • Why? • Because we are not measuring what we want to change, and are worried it will be worse. • It may be worse, it may be better – Must measure 23
  • 24. Advertising & Marketing If you’re not comfortable with self promotion, you’d better not be self employed. Glenn Shepard 24
  • 25. Advertising & Marketing • Questions? Avoiding… Pepcid Reglan Alcohol Crying Taxes Ibuprofen Computer Crap Energy (or lack thereof) 25
  • 26. PRACTICE • • • • • • • • P rimary concerns R egulatory concerns and government A dvertising C ash T ime for Family and Friends I nventory C ulture of your practice E mployees 26
  • 27. Cash • Some of these seem simple to implement, if not familiar, can be quick time drain. • Petty Cash: the money for getting cat litter at grocery store, other incidentals? How do you track? • If funds are not tracked, sticky fingers will find and remove for you. 27
  • 28. Cash • • • • Cash drawer How much/ denominations How many to have in rotation? YOU should take to bank daily – shows you are paying attention. • Bank statements sent to your home • Have someone other than regular staff balance, if you are not. (theft issue) 28
  • 29. Cash • Check on number of deposits – will vary by bank. • In average clinic day, how many deposits will you have by ‘banking’ standards? • Cash + check =1 • Visa, MC, Discover + Debit = 1 • Care credit =1 29
  • 30. Cash • Most important: • Who gets to charge, and what are criterion. • There is no perfect way to manage ‘to bill or not to bill’ – What ‘headaches’ and problems do you want to deal with 30
  • 31. Cash • Allowing billing • Pro’s: may get to do more treatments/ surgeries • Con: establish criterion (coming to practice for year – have had 5 payments, new owner with parvovirus puppy • Will be sending out statements • In veterinary offices approx 5% do not pay bill 31
  • 32. Cash • No billing • Pro’s: No billing, or deciding if can take appt from Mrs Smith who owe’s you $400 and has not paid in 2 months • Con: will hear “all you care about is money”. Yes, because you don’t care to pay me. • We offer Care Credit as in house solution. • If not qualify for Care Credit – why should I ‘loan them’ money. 32
  • 33. Cash • How often to raise prices? • Demographic, or via costs? • How are you tracking costs – goes to accountant 33
  • 34. Cash (instead of crying) • Questions? Avoiding… Pepcid Reglan Alcohol Crying Taxes Ibuprofen Computer Crap Energy (or lack thereof) 34
  • 35. Next session: • P rimary concerns • R egulatory concerns and government • A dvertising • C ash • T ime for Family and Friends • I nventory • C ulture of your practice • E mployees Avoiding… Pepcid Reglan Alcohol Crying Taxes Ibuprofen Computer Crap Energy (or lack thereof) 35