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MGB Roll Rate Issue and
Resolution
IUPUI Motorsports Engineering Program
Issue: Rear roll rate unknown causing front inside tire to lift,
leaving the ground during hard cornering and causing mid
corner to exit understeer.
No rear ARB installed.
Video Link: https://youtu.be/iOaa-F6FVi8
Video Analysis
• Through the use of video editing software the video was able to be
slowed to a frame by frame extreme slow motion.
• This allowed for the students to see that in fact the inside tire was
leaving the ground
• Attention should be paid to the shadow of the tire and the amount of
sidewall deflection for evidence of tire lift
Leaf spring calculations
Leaf Width # of Leaves Thickness of Leaves Main Leaf Length Rate
1.77 7 0.22 43.5 133.56
1.77 6 0.22 43.5 114.48
1.77 5 0.22 43.5 95.40
1.77 4 0.22 43.5 76.32
False
Leaf Width # of Leaves Thickness of Leaves Main Leaf Length Rate 1 Leaf at end Rate 2 Leaves at end Number of Leaves at end Modulus of Elasticity (PSI)
1.77 7 0.22 43.5 17.17255047 18.31738716 1 30000000
1.77 6 0.22 43.5 14.88287707 16.02771377 2
1.77 5 0.22 43.5 12.59320368 13.73804037
1.77 4 0.22 43.5 10.30353028 11.44836698
𝑘 =
2 +
𝑛
𝑛
𝐸𝑛𝑏𝑡3
6𝑙3
Research
• After researching what rear ARBs were commercially available and
obtaining pertinent information, calculations were performed to find
the spring rate of the available ARBs.
• Not pictured, vehicle dynamics to determine the roll rate by geometry
and leaf spring rate
Sway Bar Rate Calculations
Hollow Bar Fomula Solid Bar Formula
Current Rates
Hard Setting Soft Setting
Front Bar: 448.9383 New 1" Front Bar Rate: 691.4582 564.1033
Rear Bar: 208.4121
New front Hollow bar Old front solid bar
Rear Bar Calculations with Full Hollow Tube
Hard Setting Soft Setting G 11.5*10^6
OD: 1 ID: 0.75 450.2731 G 11.5*10^6 11.5*10^6 L 24.5
ID: 0.625 558.1778 L 28.1875 28.1875 d 0.875
ID: 0.5 617.5173 D 1 1 R 7.75
ID: 0.375 645.6594 d 0.625 0.625
R 7 7.75
OD: 1.25 ID: 0.75 1399.706
ID: 0.625 1507.611
ID: 0.5 1566.95
ID: 0.375 1595.092
OD: 1.5 ID: 0.75 3126.181
ID: 0.625 3234.086
ID: 0.5 3293.426
ID: 0.375 3321.568
Rear Bar Calculations with 14" Hollow Tube
OD: 1 ID: 0.75 739.7344
ID: 0.625 917.0064
ID: 0.5 1014.493
ID: 0.375 1060.726
OD: 1.25 ID: 0.75 2299.517
ID: 0.625 2476.789
ID: 0.5 2574.275
ID: 0.375 2620.509
OD: 1.5 ID: 0.75 5135.87
ID: 0.625 5313.142
ID: 0.5 5410.628
ID: 0.375 5456.862
𝐾 =
0.098 ∗ 𝐷4
− 𝑑4
∗ (𝐺)
(𝑅2)(𝐿)
𝐾 =
0.098 ∗ 𝑑4
∗ (𝐺)
𝑅2 𝐿
Resolution
• Due to limited time and manufacturing capability a commercially
available bar was chosen
• Results : Initial turn response was crisper, mid corner understeer was
corrected, corner exit understeer was improved but not corrected in
total. The vehicle cannot lift the inside tire after installation of rear
ARB.

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Mgb roll rate issue and resolution

  • 1. MGB Roll Rate Issue and Resolution IUPUI Motorsports Engineering Program
  • 2. Issue: Rear roll rate unknown causing front inside tire to lift, leaving the ground during hard cornering and causing mid corner to exit understeer. No rear ARB installed. Video Link: https://youtu.be/iOaa-F6FVi8
  • 3. Video Analysis • Through the use of video editing software the video was able to be slowed to a frame by frame extreme slow motion. • This allowed for the students to see that in fact the inside tire was leaving the ground • Attention should be paid to the shadow of the tire and the amount of sidewall deflection for evidence of tire lift
  • 4. Leaf spring calculations Leaf Width # of Leaves Thickness of Leaves Main Leaf Length Rate 1.77 7 0.22 43.5 133.56 1.77 6 0.22 43.5 114.48 1.77 5 0.22 43.5 95.40 1.77 4 0.22 43.5 76.32 False Leaf Width # of Leaves Thickness of Leaves Main Leaf Length Rate 1 Leaf at end Rate 2 Leaves at end Number of Leaves at end Modulus of Elasticity (PSI) 1.77 7 0.22 43.5 17.17255047 18.31738716 1 30000000 1.77 6 0.22 43.5 14.88287707 16.02771377 2 1.77 5 0.22 43.5 12.59320368 13.73804037 1.77 4 0.22 43.5 10.30353028 11.44836698 𝑘 = 2 + 𝑛 𝑛 𝐸𝑛𝑏𝑡3 6𝑙3
  • 5. Research • After researching what rear ARBs were commercially available and obtaining pertinent information, calculations were performed to find the spring rate of the available ARBs. • Not pictured, vehicle dynamics to determine the roll rate by geometry and leaf spring rate
  • 6. Sway Bar Rate Calculations Hollow Bar Fomula Solid Bar Formula Current Rates Hard Setting Soft Setting Front Bar: 448.9383 New 1" Front Bar Rate: 691.4582 564.1033 Rear Bar: 208.4121 New front Hollow bar Old front solid bar Rear Bar Calculations with Full Hollow Tube Hard Setting Soft Setting G 11.5*10^6 OD: 1 ID: 0.75 450.2731 G 11.5*10^6 11.5*10^6 L 24.5 ID: 0.625 558.1778 L 28.1875 28.1875 d 0.875 ID: 0.5 617.5173 D 1 1 R 7.75 ID: 0.375 645.6594 d 0.625 0.625 R 7 7.75 OD: 1.25 ID: 0.75 1399.706 ID: 0.625 1507.611 ID: 0.5 1566.95 ID: 0.375 1595.092 OD: 1.5 ID: 0.75 3126.181 ID: 0.625 3234.086 ID: 0.5 3293.426 ID: 0.375 3321.568 Rear Bar Calculations with 14" Hollow Tube OD: 1 ID: 0.75 739.7344 ID: 0.625 917.0064 ID: 0.5 1014.493 ID: 0.375 1060.726 OD: 1.25 ID: 0.75 2299.517 ID: 0.625 2476.789 ID: 0.5 2574.275 ID: 0.375 2620.509 OD: 1.5 ID: 0.75 5135.87 ID: 0.625 5313.142 ID: 0.5 5410.628 ID: 0.375 5456.862 𝐾 = 0.098 ∗ 𝐷4 − 𝑑4 ∗ (𝐺) (𝑅2)(𝐿) 𝐾 = 0.098 ∗ 𝑑4 ∗ (𝐺) 𝑅2 𝐿
  • 7. Resolution • Due to limited time and manufacturing capability a commercially available bar was chosen • Results : Initial turn response was crisper, mid corner understeer was corrected, corner exit understeer was improved but not corrected in total. The vehicle cannot lift the inside tire after installation of rear ARB.