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December	
  23,	
  2010	
  
	
  
To:	
  	
  Interested	
  Parties	
  in	
  a	
  Converged	
  International	
  Insurance	
  Accounting	
  Standard	
  
In	
  its	
  comment	
  letter	
  to	
  the	
  IASB	
  regarding	
  the	
  Exposure	
  Draft	
  on	
  Phase	
  2,	
  IFRS	
  4,	
  Insurance	
  
Contracts,	
  the	
  IAIS	
  called	
  for	
  a	
  technical	
  group	
  to	
  be	
  created	
  and	
  to	
  meet	
  as	
  soon	
  as	
  possible	
  to	
  
review	
  all	
  the	
  discussions	
  on	
  discount	
  rate	
  and	
  work	
  to	
  resolve	
  this	
  threshold	
  issue.	
  The	
  
discussions	
  thereon	
  are	
  likely	
  to	
  be	
  critical	
  to	
  further	
  discussion	
  on	
  the	
  rest	
  of	
  the	
  provisions	
  of	
  
the	
  standard.	
  	
  
Since	
  that	
  letter,	
  there	
  have	
  been	
  three	
  IASB/FASB	
  roundtables	
  where	
  representatives	
  of	
  all	
  
elements	
  of	
  the	
  insurance	
  industry	
  were	
  represented	
  to	
  discuss	
  the	
  responses.	
  In	
  preparing	
  for	
  
those	
  discussions,	
  there	
  was	
  strong	
  support	
  within	
  the	
  industry	
  for	
  the	
  use	
  of	
  the	
  “Business	
  
Model”	
  concept	
  first	
  adopted	
  by	
  the	
  IASB	
  in	
  IFRS	
  9,	
  Financial	
  Instruments,	
  as	
  the	
  basic	
  objective	
  of	
  
the	
  standard.	
  With	
  that	
  as	
  the	
  objective,	
  the	
  questions	
  of	
  Discounting	
  –	
  which	
  contracts	
  to	
  
discount,	
  what	
  discount	
  rate	
  should	
  be	
  used	
  and	
  whether	
  to	
  lock-­‐in	
  the	
  discount	
  rate	
  –	
  	
  and	
  
Presentation	
  (e.g.	
  margin	
  vs.	
  traditional	
  approach	
  and	
  use	
  of	
  OCI)	
  would	
  then	
  follow	
  the	
  Business	
  
Model	
  of	
  the	
  entity.	
  
To	
  accomplish	
  its	
  supervisory	
  goals,	
  the	
  IAIS	
  Insurance	
  Contracts	
  Subcommittee	
  will	
  meet	
  
in	
  London	
  at	
  the	
  UK	
  FSA	
  on	
  12-­‐14	
  January	
  2011.	
  Its	
  agenda	
  will	
  include	
  further	
  discussion	
  
on	
  the	
  discounting	
  issue.	
  
In	
  preparation	
  for	
  that,	
  insurers	
  have	
  had	
  several	
  calls	
  and	
  decided	
  they	
  would	
  support	
  the	
  
recommendations	
  of	
  the	
  IAIS	
  Insurance	
  Contracts	
  Subcommittee	
  for	
  an	
  early	
  technical	
  meeting.	
  
The	
  insurers	
  suggest	
  that	
  its	
  agenda	
  would	
  be	
  to	
  discuss	
  the	
  Business	
  Model,	
  Discounting	
  and	
  
Presentation	
  issues.	
  It	
  will	
  be	
  held	
  on	
  Tuesday	
  11	
  January	
  2011,	
  09:00	
  –	
  18:00	
  in	
  London	
  in	
  a	
  
location	
  to	
  be	
  determined.	
  Supervisors,	
  Board	
  Members/Staff,	
  Insurers,	
  Accounting	
  Firms	
  and	
  
actuaries	
  will	
  be	
  invited.	
  	
  
Key	
  issues	
  for	
  the	
  Technical	
  Meeting	
  are:	
  	
  
     a) Business	
  Model	
  approach:	
  With	
  the	
  adoption	
  by	
  the	
  IASB	
  and	
  the	
  recent	
  decision	
  by	
  the	
  
        FASB	
  to	
  be	
  inclined	
  to	
  support	
  the	
  use	
  of	
  the	
  Business	
  Model	
  for	
  Financial	
  Instruments	
  
        Classification	
  and	
  Measurement,	
  should	
  it	
  also	
  be	
  the	
  appropriate	
  principle	
  for	
  insurance	
  
        contracts	
  accounting?	
  	
  
     b) What	
  would	
  the	
  Business	
  Model	
  principle	
  be	
  for:	
  
        i) Classification	
  and	
  Measurement	
  
           1) Assets	
  
           2) Liabilities	
  
     c) How	
  does	
  the	
  Business	
  Model	
  affect	
  the	
  discussions	
  on	
  discounting?	
  

                            Jerry M. de St. Paer                                                            Douglas Wm. Barnert
                             Executive Chair                                                                 Executive Director

Group of North American Insurance Enterprises                                                                                             ++1-212-480-0808
40 Exchange Place, Suite 1707                                                                                                                info@gnaie.net
New York, NY 10005                                                                                                                            www.gnaie.net
UNITED STATES
December 23, 2010
                                                                                                                        Technical Meeting
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 d) Which	
  insurance	
  contracts	
  should	
  be	
  discounted?	
  
 e) What	
  rate	
  should	
  be	
  used	
  to	
  discount	
  those	
  contracts	
  that	
  should	
  be	
  discounted?	
  
    i) Risk	
  Free	
  Rate	
  
    ii) Liability	
  premium	
  
    iii) Corporate	
  Bond	
  Rate	
  
    iv) Asset	
  –	
  Discount	
  rate	
  
    v) Other	
  possibilities?	
  
    vi) Are	
  there	
  alternatives	
  that	
  all	
  parties	
  can	
  live	
  with?	
  	
  
 f) What	
  are	
  the	
  combinations	
  of	
  IFRS	
  9	
  and	
  IFRS	
  4	
  that	
  might	
  work?	
  
    i) Cost-­‐Cost	
  
    ii) Current	
  –	
  Cost	
  
    iii) Cost	
  -­‐	
  Current	
  
    iv) Current	
  –	
  Current	
  (with	
  OCI)	
  
 g) How	
  do	
  you	
  handle	
  changes	
  in	
  the	
  valuation	
  of	
  assets	
  and	
  liabilities	
  (Day	
  2)?	
  
    i) Current	
  methods	
  for	
  assets.	
  
    ii) Current	
  proposals	
  for	
  liabilities.	
  
    iii) Should	
  any	
  assumptions	
  be	
  locked-­‐in?	
  
    iv) Current	
  or	
  non-­‐current	
  book?	
  
    v) Portfolio	
  discussions.	
  
	
  
If	
  you	
  would	
  be	
  interested	
  in	
  attending	
  this	
  meeting,	
  please	
  RSVP	
  as	
  soon	
  as	
  possible.	
  
Depending	
  on	
  the	
  size	
  of	
  the	
  response,	
  we	
  will	
  want	
  to	
  adjust	
  the	
  meeting	
  room	
  size.	
  An	
  
organizing	
  committee	
  will	
  be	
  formed	
  to	
  work	
  on	
  the	
  agenda	
  and	
  supporting	
  papers.	
  
Please	
  indicate	
  in	
  your	
  response	
  if	
  you	
  would	
  be	
  interested	
  in	
  organizing	
  the	
  meeting.	
  
	
  
Thank	
  you	
  for	
  considering	
  this	
  opportunity	
  to	
  pull	
  our	
  thoughts	
  together	
  on	
  these	
  important	
  
issues.	
  
	
  
Best	
  personal	
  regards	
  for	
  a	
  happy	
  and	
  health	
  holiday	
  season.	
  
	
  
/s	
  Douglas	
  Wm.	
  Barnert	
  
Executive	
  Director	
  
	
  
DWB:	
  mtf	
  
	
  
	
  

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Meeting Invitation 20110111

  • 1. December  23,  2010     To:    Interested  Parties  in  a  Converged  International  Insurance  Accounting  Standard   In  its  comment  letter  to  the  IASB  regarding  the  Exposure  Draft  on  Phase  2,  IFRS  4,  Insurance   Contracts,  the  IAIS  called  for  a  technical  group  to  be  created  and  to  meet  as  soon  as  possible  to   review  all  the  discussions  on  discount  rate  and  work  to  resolve  this  threshold  issue.  The   discussions  thereon  are  likely  to  be  critical  to  further  discussion  on  the  rest  of  the  provisions  of   the  standard.     Since  that  letter,  there  have  been  three  IASB/FASB  roundtables  where  representatives  of  all   elements  of  the  insurance  industry  were  represented  to  discuss  the  responses.  In  preparing  for   those  discussions,  there  was  strong  support  within  the  industry  for  the  use  of  the  “Business   Model”  concept  first  adopted  by  the  IASB  in  IFRS  9,  Financial  Instruments,  as  the  basic  objective  of   the  standard.  With  that  as  the  objective,  the  questions  of  Discounting  –  which  contracts  to   discount,  what  discount  rate  should  be  used  and  whether  to  lock-­‐in  the  discount  rate  –    and   Presentation  (e.g.  margin  vs.  traditional  approach  and  use  of  OCI)  would  then  follow  the  Business   Model  of  the  entity.   To  accomplish  its  supervisory  goals,  the  IAIS  Insurance  Contracts  Subcommittee  will  meet   in  London  at  the  UK  FSA  on  12-­‐14  January  2011.  Its  agenda  will  include  further  discussion   on  the  discounting  issue.   In  preparation  for  that,  insurers  have  had  several  calls  and  decided  they  would  support  the   recommendations  of  the  IAIS  Insurance  Contracts  Subcommittee  for  an  early  technical  meeting.   The  insurers  suggest  that  its  agenda  would  be  to  discuss  the  Business  Model,  Discounting  and   Presentation  issues.  It  will  be  held  on  Tuesday  11  January  2011,  09:00  –  18:00  in  London  in  a   location  to  be  determined.  Supervisors,  Board  Members/Staff,  Insurers,  Accounting  Firms  and   actuaries  will  be  invited.     Key  issues  for  the  Technical  Meeting  are:     a) Business  Model  approach:  With  the  adoption  by  the  IASB  and  the  recent  decision  by  the   FASB  to  be  inclined  to  support  the  use  of  the  Business  Model  for  Financial  Instruments   Classification  and  Measurement,  should  it  also  be  the  appropriate  principle  for  insurance   contracts  accounting?     b) What  would  the  Business  Model  principle  be  for:   i) Classification  and  Measurement   1) Assets   2) Liabilities   c) How  does  the  Business  Model  affect  the  discussions  on  discounting?   Jerry M. de St. Paer Douglas Wm. Barnert Executive Chair Executive Director Group of North American Insurance Enterprises ++1-212-480-0808 40 Exchange Place, Suite 1707 info@gnaie.net New York, NY 10005 www.gnaie.net UNITED STATES
  • 2. December 23, 2010 Technical Meeting Page 2 d) Which  insurance  contracts  should  be  discounted?   e) What  rate  should  be  used  to  discount  those  contracts  that  should  be  discounted?   i) Risk  Free  Rate   ii) Liability  premium   iii) Corporate  Bond  Rate   iv) Asset  –  Discount  rate   v) Other  possibilities?   vi) Are  there  alternatives  that  all  parties  can  live  with?     f) What  are  the  combinations  of  IFRS  9  and  IFRS  4  that  might  work?   i) Cost-­‐Cost   ii) Current  –  Cost   iii) Cost  -­‐  Current   iv) Current  –  Current  (with  OCI)   g) How  do  you  handle  changes  in  the  valuation  of  assets  and  liabilities  (Day  2)?   i) Current  methods  for  assets.   ii) Current  proposals  for  liabilities.   iii) Should  any  assumptions  be  locked-­‐in?   iv) Current  or  non-­‐current  book?   v) Portfolio  discussions.     If  you  would  be  interested  in  attending  this  meeting,  please  RSVP  as  soon  as  possible.   Depending  on  the  size  of  the  response,  we  will  want  to  adjust  the  meeting  room  size.  An   organizing  committee  will  be  formed  to  work  on  the  agenda  and  supporting  papers.   Please  indicate  in  your  response  if  you  would  be  interested  in  organizing  the  meeting.     Thank  you  for  considering  this  opportunity  to  pull  our  thoughts  together  on  these  important   issues.     Best  personal  regards  for  a  happy  and  health  holiday  season.     /s  Douglas  Wm.  Barnert   Executive  Director     DWB:  mtf