BELIEVERS AND A
CHURCH IN TRANSITION
  The Trinity: At Wit’s End!!
At Wit’s End
How fu!y can the mind of man know the ways of God?
The Bible Has Some Hard Sayings
The Bible Has Some Hard Sayings
   I will have mercy on whom I desire,
   harden whom I desire (Ro 9:18)
The Bible Has Some Hard Sayings
   I will have mercy on whom I desire,
   harden whom I desire (Ro 9:18)
   God has a predetermined plan(Acts
   2:23)
The Bible Has Some Hard Sayings
   I will have mercy on whom I desire,
   harden whom I desire (Ro 9:18)
   God has a predetermined plan(Acts
   2:23)

   Jacob I loved, Esau I hated (Ro 9:13)
The Bible Has Some Hard Sayings
   I will have mercy on whom I desire,
   harden whom I desire (Ro 9:18)
   God has a predetermined plan(Acts
   2:23)

   Jacob I loved, Esau I hated (Ro 9:13)

   The Lord hardened pharaoh’s heart       (Ex 9:12)
The Bible Has Some Hard Sayings
The Bible Has Some Hard Sayings


           We do the math,
            add the ideas
               and ask,
         naturally enough . . .
 +
       If none resists His will,
     why does He still find fault?
We Imagine Our Question
    Puts God On The Defensive
Can the clay challenge
                            Insufficient STRENGTH
  the Potter? (Ro 9:20)

   My thoughts are
   higher than your         Insufficient INTELLECT
  thoughts! (Isaiah 55:9)

Where were you when
I laid the foundation of    Insufficient AUTHORITY
   the earth? (Job 38:4)
We Imagine Our Question
    Puts God On The Defensive
Can the clay challenge
                            Insufficient STRENGTH
  the Potter? (Ro 9:20)

   My thoughts are
   higher than your         Insufficient INTELLECT
  thoughts! (Isaiah 55:9)

Where were you when
I laid the foundation of    Insufficient AUTHORITY
   the earth? (Job 38:4)
We Imagine Our Question
    Puts God On The Defensive
Can the clay challenge
                            Insufficient STRENGTH
  the Potter? (Ro 9:20)

   My thoughts are
   higher than your
                       H
  thoughts! (Isaiah 55:9)a h!
                            Insufficient INTELLECT


Where were you when
I laid the foundation of    Insufficient AUTHORITY
   the earth? (Job 38:4)
So, how fully can the mind of man
            know the ways of God?
1. By REASON, we gain and analyze a degree of
   information about God and His ways
      a. From the Bible (Revelation)
      b. From experience (Life)
      c. From the creation (Science)
2. Our THINKING brings us to a point in our
   search where we confess
      a. We have hard questions about God our
         minds can’t answer.
      b. Unanswered questions shake our
         confidence in God.
So, how fully can the mind of man
     know the ways of God?
So, how fully can the mind of man
            know the ways of God?
1. By REASON, we gain and analyze a degree of
   information about God and His ways
So, how fully can the mind of man
            know the ways of God?
1. By REASON, we gain and analyze a degree of
   information about God and His ways
      a. From the Bible (Revelation)
So, how fully can the mind of man
            know the ways of God?
1. By REASON, we gain and analyze a degree of
   information about God and His ways
      a. From the Bible (Revelation)
      b. From experience (Life)
So, how fully can the mind of man
            know the ways of God?
1. By REASON, we gain and analyze a degree of
   information about God and His ways
      a. From the Bible (Revelation)
      b. From experience (Life)
      c. From the creation (Science)
So, how fully can the mind of man
            know the ways of God?
1. By REASON, we gain and analyze a degree of
   information about God and His ways
      a. From the Bible (Revelation)
      b. From experience (Life)
      c. From the creation (Science)
2. Our THINKING brings us to a point in our
   search where we confess
So, how fully can the mind of man
            know the ways of God?
1. By REASON, we gain and analyze a degree of
   information about God and His ways
      a. From the Bible (Revelation)
      b. From experience (Life)
      c. From the creation (Science)
2. Our THINKING brings us to a point in our
   search where we confess
      a. We have hard questions about God our
         minds can’t answer.
So, how fully can the mind of man
            know the ways of God?
1. By REASON, we gain and analyze a degree of
   information about God and His ways
      a. From the Bible (Revelation)
      b. From experience (Life)
      c. From the creation (Science)
2. Our THINKING brings us to a point in our
   search where we confess
      a. We have hard questions about God our
         minds can’t answer.
      b. Unanswered questions shake our
         confidence in God.
Now, our pride
 of mind gets
     hurt!

 We demand
God answer to
    us!!
G od ain’t
             maki n’ sense!

Now, our pride
 of mind gets
     hurt!

 We demand
God answer to
    us!!
C’mon, God,
explain to me why You
    still find fault!!
C’mon, God,
                        explain to me why You
                            still find fault!!
 If You won’t answer
this question, You’re
       a fraud!
C’mon, God,
                        explain to me why You
                            still find fault!!
 If You won’t answer
this question, You’re                            What’s God
       a fraud!                                   hiding?
No answer?
 No faith!
Peter and Jesus act out the
  intelligent way to handle
Christianity’s hard questions!
Peter and Jesus act out the
  intelligent way to handle
Christianity’s hard questions!



               6 :5 9-69
     Jo hn
Jesus: “He who eats My flesh and drinks
  My blood has eternal life.” (John 6:53-58)
Jesus: “He who eats My flesh and drinks
      My blood has eternal life.” (John 6:53-58)



Disciples: “This is a difficult statement.
     Who   can listen to it?” (John 6:60)
        As a result, many of His disciples
    withdrew and were not walking w
                                      ith Him
                anymore (John 6:66)
J esus ain’t
    makin ’ sense!
    body’d be   a fool to
Any
    walk w  ith Him!
Now, Jesus turns to His inner circle, the 12, and asks . . .
Now, Jesus turns to His inner circle, the 12, and asks . . .


   “You do not
 want to go away
  also, do you?”
Lord,
 to whom shall
we go? You have
words of eternal
      life.
We
     Lord,           have believed and
 to whom shall     have come to know that
we go? You have     You are the Holy One
words of eternal           of God
      life.
Does Peter exercise the
 BLIND FAITH that atheists
    accuse us brain-dead
Christians of being slaves to?
Does Peter exercise the
 BLIND FAITH that atheists
    accuse us brain-dead
Christians of being slaves to?

                   NO WAY!!!
Lord,
 to whom shall
we go? You have
words of eternal
      life.
Lord,
 to whom shall
we go? You have
words of eternal
      life.


          We
  have believed and
have come to know that
 You are the Holy One
        of God
Lord,
                   Inte!ectual analysis of alternatives
 to whom shall
we go? You have
words of eternal
      life.


          We
  have believed and
have come to know that
 You are the Holy One
        of God
Lord,
                   Inte!ectual analysis of alternatives
 to whom shall
we go? You have          Positive evaluation of past
words of eternal               communications
      life.


          We
  have believed and
have come to know that
 You are the Holy One
        of God
Lord,
                   Inte!ectual analysis of alternatives
 to whom shall
we go? You have          Positive evaluation of past
words of eternal               communications
      life.

                    Declaration of a shared trust
          We
  have believed and
have come to know that
 You are the Holy One
        of God
Lord,
                   Inte!ectual analysis of alternatives
 to whom shall
we go? You have          Positive evaluation of past
words of eternal               communications
      life.

                    Declaration of a shared trust
          We
  have believed and          Connection of that trust
have come to know that         to prior knowledge
 You are the Holy One
        of God
Lord,
                      Inte!ectual analysis of alternatives
 to whom shall
we go? You have          Positive evaluation of past
words of eternal               communications
      life.

                       Declaration of a shared trust
          We
  have believed and          Connection of that trust
have come to know that         to prior knowledge
 You are the Holy One
        of God
                   Acceptance of Jesus as God, a Being
                    at once familiar yet transcendent
My step of faith was based on
thoughtful reflection of what I
 already knew about Jesus.
Faith is NOT BLIND. Faith
  My step of faith was based on
builds on an acquired knowledge
  thoughtful reflection of what I
 of God, which gives us reasons
    already knew about Jesus.
            to trust Him.
“I’ll
 never ask you to
abandon reason for
   blind leaps of
       faith.”
“What
                     you know about
         “I’ll       Me lets you trust
 never ask you to    Me for what you
abandon reason for       don’t!”
   blind leaps of
       faith.”
Down-to-Earth Example
Down-to-Earth Example
Down-to-Earth Example

Mike doesn’t know
much about me at
this point . . .
Down-to-Earth Example

Mike doesn’t know
much about me at
this point . . .
But he does know
me!
Down-to-Earth Example

Mike doesn’t know
much about me at
this point . . .
But he does know
me!
And what he does
know trumps what he
doesn’t know.
Down-to-Earth Example

Mike doesn’t know
much about me at
this point . . .
But he does know
me!
And what he does
know trumps what he
doesn’t know.
So it is with God and
us–
At your wit’s end with some hard
saying? Remember what you DO
know about Jesus Christ before you
put your grumpy pants on!
For I determined to
know nothing among
you except Jesus
Christ, and Him
crucified. (Paul in I Corinthians 2:2)

CC Trinity-At Wit's End

  • 1.
    BELIEVERS AND A CHURCHIN TRANSITION The Trinity: At Wit’s End!!
  • 2.
    At Wit’s End Howfu!y can the mind of man know the ways of God?
  • 3.
    The Bible HasSome Hard Sayings
  • 4.
    The Bible HasSome Hard Sayings I will have mercy on whom I desire, harden whom I desire (Ro 9:18)
  • 5.
    The Bible HasSome Hard Sayings I will have mercy on whom I desire, harden whom I desire (Ro 9:18) God has a predetermined plan(Acts 2:23)
  • 6.
    The Bible HasSome Hard Sayings I will have mercy on whom I desire, harden whom I desire (Ro 9:18) God has a predetermined plan(Acts 2:23) Jacob I loved, Esau I hated (Ro 9:13)
  • 7.
    The Bible HasSome Hard Sayings I will have mercy on whom I desire, harden whom I desire (Ro 9:18) God has a predetermined plan(Acts 2:23) Jacob I loved, Esau I hated (Ro 9:13) The Lord hardened pharaoh’s heart (Ex 9:12)
  • 8.
    The Bible HasSome Hard Sayings
  • 9.
    The Bible HasSome Hard Sayings We do the math, add the ideas and ask, naturally enough . . . + If none resists His will, why does He still find fault?
  • 10.
    We Imagine OurQuestion Puts God On The Defensive Can the clay challenge Insufficient STRENGTH the Potter? (Ro 9:20) My thoughts are higher than your Insufficient INTELLECT thoughts! (Isaiah 55:9) Where were you when I laid the foundation of Insufficient AUTHORITY the earth? (Job 38:4)
  • 11.
    We Imagine OurQuestion Puts God On The Defensive Can the clay challenge Insufficient STRENGTH the Potter? (Ro 9:20) My thoughts are higher than your Insufficient INTELLECT thoughts! (Isaiah 55:9) Where were you when I laid the foundation of Insufficient AUTHORITY the earth? (Job 38:4)
  • 12.
    We Imagine OurQuestion Puts God On The Defensive Can the clay challenge Insufficient STRENGTH the Potter? (Ro 9:20) My thoughts are higher than your H thoughts! (Isaiah 55:9)a h! Insufficient INTELLECT Where were you when I laid the foundation of Insufficient AUTHORITY the earth? (Job 38:4)
  • 13.
    So, how fullycan the mind of man know the ways of God? 1. By REASON, we gain and analyze a degree of information about God and His ways a. From the Bible (Revelation) b. From experience (Life) c. From the creation (Science) 2. Our THINKING brings us to a point in our search where we confess a. We have hard questions about God our minds can’t answer. b. Unanswered questions shake our confidence in God.
  • 14.
    So, how fullycan the mind of man know the ways of God?
  • 15.
    So, how fullycan the mind of man know the ways of God? 1. By REASON, we gain and analyze a degree of information about God and His ways
  • 16.
    So, how fullycan the mind of man know the ways of God? 1. By REASON, we gain and analyze a degree of information about God and His ways a. From the Bible (Revelation)
  • 17.
    So, how fullycan the mind of man know the ways of God? 1. By REASON, we gain and analyze a degree of information about God and His ways a. From the Bible (Revelation) b. From experience (Life)
  • 18.
    So, how fullycan the mind of man know the ways of God? 1. By REASON, we gain and analyze a degree of information about God and His ways a. From the Bible (Revelation) b. From experience (Life) c. From the creation (Science)
  • 19.
    So, how fullycan the mind of man know the ways of God? 1. By REASON, we gain and analyze a degree of information about God and His ways a. From the Bible (Revelation) b. From experience (Life) c. From the creation (Science) 2. Our THINKING brings us to a point in our search where we confess
  • 20.
    So, how fullycan the mind of man know the ways of God? 1. By REASON, we gain and analyze a degree of information about God and His ways a. From the Bible (Revelation) b. From experience (Life) c. From the creation (Science) 2. Our THINKING brings us to a point in our search where we confess a. We have hard questions about God our minds can’t answer.
  • 21.
    So, how fullycan the mind of man know the ways of God? 1. By REASON, we gain and analyze a degree of information about God and His ways a. From the Bible (Revelation) b. From experience (Life) c. From the creation (Science) 2. Our THINKING brings us to a point in our search where we confess a. We have hard questions about God our minds can’t answer. b. Unanswered questions shake our confidence in God.
  • 22.
    Now, our pride of mind gets hurt! We demand God answer to us!!
  • 23.
    G od ain’t maki n’ sense! Now, our pride of mind gets hurt! We demand God answer to us!!
  • 25.
    C’mon, God, explain tome why You still find fault!!
  • 26.
    C’mon, God, explain to me why You still find fault!! If You won’t answer this question, You’re a fraud!
  • 27.
    C’mon, God, explain to me why You still find fault!! If You won’t answer this question, You’re What’s God a fraud! hiding?
  • 28.
  • 29.
    Peter and Jesusact out the intelligent way to handle Christianity’s hard questions!
  • 30.
    Peter and Jesusact out the intelligent way to handle Christianity’s hard questions! 6 :5 9-69 Jo hn
  • 31.
    Jesus: “He whoeats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life.” (John 6:53-58)
  • 32.
    Jesus: “He whoeats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life.” (John 6:53-58) Disciples: “This is a difficult statement. Who can listen to it?” (John 6:60) As a result, many of His disciples withdrew and were not walking w ith Him anymore (John 6:66)
  • 33.
    J esus ain’t makin ’ sense! body’d be a fool to Any walk w ith Him!
  • 34.
    Now, Jesus turnsto His inner circle, the 12, and asks . . .
  • 35.
    Now, Jesus turnsto His inner circle, the 12, and asks . . . “You do not want to go away also, do you?”
  • 37.
    Lord, to whomshall we go? You have words of eternal life.
  • 38.
    We Lord, have believed and to whom shall have come to know that we go? You have You are the Holy One words of eternal of God life.
  • 39.
    Does Peter exercisethe BLIND FAITH that atheists accuse us brain-dead Christians of being slaves to?
  • 40.
    Does Peter exercisethe BLIND FAITH that atheists accuse us brain-dead Christians of being slaves to? NO WAY!!!
  • 41.
    Lord, to whomshall we go? You have words of eternal life.
  • 42.
    Lord, to whomshall we go? You have words of eternal life. We have believed and have come to know that You are the Holy One of God
  • 43.
    Lord, Inte!ectual analysis of alternatives to whom shall we go? You have words of eternal life. We have believed and have come to know that You are the Holy One of God
  • 44.
    Lord, Inte!ectual analysis of alternatives to whom shall we go? You have Positive evaluation of past words of eternal communications life. We have believed and have come to know that You are the Holy One of God
  • 45.
    Lord, Inte!ectual analysis of alternatives to whom shall we go? You have Positive evaluation of past words of eternal communications life. Declaration of a shared trust We have believed and have come to know that You are the Holy One of God
  • 46.
    Lord, Inte!ectual analysis of alternatives to whom shall we go? You have Positive evaluation of past words of eternal communications life. Declaration of a shared trust We have believed and Connection of that trust have come to know that to prior knowledge You are the Holy One of God
  • 47.
    Lord, Inte!ectual analysis of alternatives to whom shall we go? You have Positive evaluation of past words of eternal communications life. Declaration of a shared trust We have believed and Connection of that trust have come to know that to prior knowledge You are the Holy One of God Acceptance of Jesus as God, a Being at once familiar yet transcendent
  • 49.
    My step offaith was based on thoughtful reflection of what I already knew about Jesus.
  • 50.
    Faith is NOTBLIND. Faith My step of faith was based on builds on an acquired knowledge thoughtful reflection of what I of God, which gives us reasons already knew about Jesus. to trust Him.
  • 52.
    “I’ll never askyou to abandon reason for blind leaps of faith.”
  • 53.
    “What you know about “I’ll Me lets you trust never ask you to Me for what you abandon reason for don’t!” blind leaps of faith.”
  • 54.
  • 55.
  • 56.
    Down-to-Earth Example Mike doesn’tknow much about me at this point . . .
  • 57.
    Down-to-Earth Example Mike doesn’tknow much about me at this point . . . But he does know me!
  • 58.
    Down-to-Earth Example Mike doesn’tknow much about me at this point . . . But he does know me! And what he does know trumps what he doesn’t know.
  • 59.
    Down-to-Earth Example Mike doesn’tknow much about me at this point . . . But he does know me! And what he does know trumps what he doesn’t know. So it is with God and us–
  • 60.
    At your wit’send with some hard saying? Remember what you DO know about Jesus Christ before you put your grumpy pants on!
  • 61.
    For I determinedto know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified. (Paul in I Corinthians 2:2)