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Quotationalism
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1. 19 answersfrommy targetaudience.All answersare directquotesof how people answered.
(skippedmeanssomeoneleftitunanswered.)
What would you like tosee in a dark comedy?
“Humour thatdoesn’trelyonbeingoffensivetobe funnyandwithoutany datedreferences”
“Jokesthatmightbe undetectedbysome andseeinghow faryoucan pushthe dark side of it
whilststill beingcomedic”
“Actuallysomethingfunny...”
“Adulthumour”
“Weird,random,potentiallydisturbingthings”
“Self-awarenessof the genre,subvertingtropesinfunnyways,charismaticcharacters”
“I like Edgarwrightand rick andmorty and that kindof comedystyle soI wouldlike tosee that
sort of humouralongwitha goodstoryline”
“Humor that takesrisks,butacknowledgesthat itisdoingso. Ironicsort of humor,the kindthat
outrightshowsthe joke isdarkwithoutgivingtoomuchaway.”
“Not blatantracismhiddenas"dark humor"”
“Funnystuff withlotsof gray area and humanduality.”
“Edgy intentionallyoffensivehumor thatpushesthe boundariesof what'sacceptable infilm,
shockhumor,death”
“violence,inappropriate jokes”
“Dark humor”
“Somethingotherthendarkcomedyof a whitespersonusingthe nwordas somethingthat’s
funnyinno contextthatsuitsit”
“controversial topics”
“satire”
“violence andinappropriate andinsensitivejokes”
“Dark humor”
Skipped
Could you name a cliché commonly seeninthis genre?
“Vitriolic“rudeness”anddeathshavingbarelyanyemotional impactonthe maincharacter(s)”
“Political incorrectness”
“as it's studentafilm,badaudioregardlessof the genre”
“Bad tastelessjokesthatare justfunnybecause theyare offensive...”
“Racism”
“Gore? I'm nota huge fanof gore and I thinkitcan detract fromsubtleropportunitiesfordark
comedy.”
“Unnecessary‘deep’quotes “
“Jokesaboutdeath”
“accidental murder”
“crime”
“Overlygoryfor the sake of gore”
Skipped
“People sayingthattheywanttodie for noreasoncause they're sOcRaZy”
“jokesthattake ittoo far and justaren'tfunny”
Skipped
“camera inthe fridge”
2. “writers/directorstakingjokestoofartothe pointwhere itsnotfunny”
“No I cant”
“It's not entirelymyfavourite genre butdeathisusuallyacommontheme”
What is your favourite dark comedy?
Shaunof the Dead
Throw mommafromthe train
Familyguy
snatch
Borat-notexactlydarkI guessbutcertainlyoffensive
Hot fuzzas I’ve beentoldthatcounts
Hannibal the TV show.It's scary but the premise becomeshilariousbecauseyougointothe show
knowingHannibal Lecteristhe villain.Thatprovidesforalotof situational comedybecause you
knowsomethingthe charactersdon't,andHannibal isprone to makingjokesabouthis
cannibalism,too.
Scary movie
fourlions
I don't have a single favorite
hot fuzz
Its AlwaysSunnySunnyinPhiladelphia
JojoRabbit
Shawnof the dawn
It's alwayssunnyinPhiladelphia
Hot Fuzz
Snatch
Shaunof The Dead
JojoRabbit
What run-ins have you had withsomeone you’d consider creepy? (Inthis
questionthere were fewanswersdue tothe specificityof it,these are the answersIreceived)
Following,creatingfake social mediaaccountstosee whatI'm doing,waitingoutsideof
classroomstocorner me once I leave
Some evangelical christianfellowcame uptome at an airportand startedravingabouthow I'm
goingto hell.ThiswaswhenIwas 14.
A guyfollowedme home fromschool andwaswearingdarkclothssoI couldn'tsee whohe was
Me and my dadwere out of countryand we wentout of the "safetybounds"andalmostgot
mugged.We quicklyfiguredoutwe were beingfollowedbutitwasstill acreepyexperience.
ThanksBelize.
Knockedondoor.Daughterof man whoansweredseemedtobe possessed.
so dude like followedme throughashopand wouldn'tleave me alone till oleft
I was at a friendssleepoveronce andtheywoke upinthe middle of the nightandstarted
punchinga wall meanwhile Ipretendedtobe asleep.prettymuchavoidthemeversince.