HEAVEN CAN WAIT
A NEW VISION &ORIENTATION IN PERINATAL
CARDIOLOGY
INTERNATIONAL PROJECT
Prof. Maurice GUIRGIS
FETAL & PEDIATRIC CARDIOLOGY UNIT
Hôpital Bichat– University Paris VII
INITIAL VISION IN FETAL
CARDIOLOGY
VERS UNE CARDIOLOGIE PRENATALE
« THE FETUS AS CARDIAC PATIENT »
Jean Kachaner & Laurent Fermont
Presse Médicale 1984
ACTUAL ORIENTATION /TRENDS IN
FETAL CARDIOLOGY IN EUROPE
EARLY DIAGNOSIS++/GENETIC & EXTRACARDIAC ANALYSIS
INCREASE PRENATAL DIAGNOSIS
TOP/ DECREASE PREVALENCE OF CHD
TT OF FETAL ARRHYTHMIAS
PRENATAL CATH ….
DECREASE IN MORBIDITY & MORTALITY OF CHD
ZOOM ON ACTUAL ORIENTATION
• EARLY DIAGNOSIS :
• PITFALLS 1st >2nd
Trim
• Fetal heart defects
:Potential and pitfalls of
first trimester detection
• A Khalil & K. Nicolaides Sem in
Fetal and Neonatal Med 2013
ZOOM ON ACTUAL ORIENTATION
• VERY EARLY
DIAGNOSIS :
• NO ACCURATE PROGNOSIS
POSSIBLE IN BORDERLINE
CASES: LACK OF STUDY OF
EVOLUTIVITY POTENTIAL
-> TOP
ZOOM ON ACTUAL ORIENTATION
NO TIME TO STUDY EVOLUTION
TOP
ZOOM ON ACTUAL ORIENTATION
• CARDIAC ANOMALY AS
SIGN OF GENETIC DIS.
• WHATEVER IS THE TERM OR
EVEN IN CASE OF
DOUBTFULL DIAGNOSIS AS
« PRINCIPE DE
PRECAUTION »
PSYCHIC PRESSURE
FAMILY ANXIETY
ZOOM ON ACTUAL ORIENTATION
• CARDIAC ANOMALY AS
SIGN OF GENETIC DIS.
• LINEAR INSERTION OF
AV VALVES
PRESSURE ON
CARDIOLOGISTS
ZOOM ON ACTUAL ORIENTATION
IMPACT ON PREVALENCE OF CHD
RECENT DECREASE IN THE PREVALENCE OF CHD IN EUROPE
B KOSHNOOD et al J Pediatr 2013;162:108-13
1990-2007 : 47508 cases with no Chrom Anomalies
16 countries 19 Population Europ Registries EUROCAT
DECREASE PREVALENCE BY 4% PER YEAR BETWEEN
2004-2007
GROUP 1 : INCREASE IN PRENATAL DIAGNOSIS AND TOP
IMPACT ON PREVALENCE, TIMING OF DIAGNOSIS AND MORTALITY OF NEWBORNS WITH CHD
EPICARD 2005-2008 B KOSHNOOD et al HEART 2012; 98:1667-73
HETEROTAXY 89,2%/ UNIVENTRICULAR HEART 92,5%
ZOOM ON ACTUAL SITUATION ON FETAL &
PERINATAL CARDIOLOGY FOR CRITICAL HD AND
OUTCOME IN DEVELOPING COUNTRIES
NO OR TREVIAL PRENATAL PROGRAM IN DEVELOPING COUNTRIES
(BUT GROWING ATTEMPTS )
OPTIONS AFTER PRENATAL DIAG CRITICAL HT
-TOP
-DELIVERY NEONATAL MANAGEMENT ?/ DEATH
-DEATH BEFORE TIME TO CONTACT ANY HUMANITARIAN ASSOCIATION
-DEATH WAITING INTERVENTION
-LACK OF CHANCE FOR OPTIMAL SURGERY : SENNING VERSUS SWITCH
FOR SIMPLE TGV
CONTRASTING SITUATIONS
EUROPE : HIGH DETECTION , HIGH SELECTION AIMING
TO PERFECT BABY
DEVELOPPING COUNTRIES : HOPELESS SITUATION
TIME FOR CHANGE?
ADDING A NEW DIMENSION FOR FETAL
AND PERINATAL CARDIOLOGY ?
HEAVEN CAN WAIT
THE STORY
HEAVEN CAN WAIT
THE STORY
FEBRUARY 2008
TEACHNING COURSE FETAL
HEART FOR OBSTETRICIANS &
RADIOLOGISTS IN MAURITUS
HEAVEN CAN WAIT
3 MONTHS LATER
33 WG FETAL AHT FOR ADVICE: BAD
IMAGE QUALITY : DECISION TO
COLLECT SOME MONEY FOR
FLIGHT TO PARIS FOR EVALUATION
35 WG ARRIVAL TO PARIS
CONFIRMATION OF AO COARC
WITH TUBULAR ARCH HYPOPLASIA
LADY REFUSE STAYING FOR DELIVERY
but labour contractions while confirming
her flight back to paris
37 WG DELIVERY IN PARIS /SURGERY
IN D4 → EXCELLENT RESULT
TRAVEL BACK SAFELY
OBSTETRICIAN LETTER TO THE EDITOR
« HEAVEN CAN WAIT »
HEAVEN CAN WAIT
EMBRYO OF PROJECT
OBJECTIVES
(1) FETO MATERNAL TRANSFER FOR DELIVERY AND
CARDIAC SURGERY IN CRITICAL HD
SIMPLE TGA / COARCTATION
BEST CHANCE FOR NEONATE
(2) OTHER PRENATAL DETECTED CASES :
TRANSFER FILE TO HUMANITARIAN
CHAINS FOR WAITING LIST FOR POSTNATAL
MANAGEMENT
HOPE FOR THE FAMILY
BETTER MANAGEMENT FOR THE CHAIN
HEAVEN CAN WAIT
MEANS
(1) PRENATAL CARDIAC PROGRAM
DEVELOPMENT /TEACHING MISSIONS
- Collaboration WHO, Ministry of Cooperation CE,..
- Countries were allready local contact exists with humanitarian
associations (Chain of hope , Terre des Hommes , Chaine de l’espoir..)
(2) INTERNATIONAL MULTIDISCIPLENARY
TEAM FOR CASE SELECTION : OBSTETRICIAN
/PEDIATRIC CARDIOLOGISTS /NEONATOLOGISTS SURGEONS
(3) TELEMEDECINE (STIC)
FETO MATERNAL TRANSFER
BENEFIT
- LESS EXPENSIVE ?
- MATERNO FETAL > NEONATAL TRANSORT
- NO PSYCHIC TRAUMA (MOTHER /BABY SEPARATION
- BEST CHANCE FOR BABY : OPTIMAL STABILISATION
PRENATAL DETECTION OF TGA DECREASE MORBIDITY & MORTALITY
Bonnet et al Circ 1999:916-18
FETO MATERNAL TRANSFER
CONTRAINDICATIONS
• MATERNAL
• PLACENT PRAEVIA
• RISK OF PMD
• UNSTABLE
MATERNAL
PATHOLOGIES
HTA, DIABETES
CARDIAC,,,
• FŒTAL
• IUGR
• EXTRACARDIAC
FETO MATERNAL TRANSFER
OPTIMAL
• MATERNAL
• NL MATERNAL CLINICAL
AND LAB Toxo, Rubella,
HIV,Hb
• NL DOPPLER INDICES
• FOETAL
• 35 WG
• ESTIMATED WT 2,5KG
• NO EXTRACARDIAC
MALFORMATIONS
POTENTIAL ACTORS
Pr YACOUB FOUNDATION
CHAINE DE L’ESPOIR
Pr LECA MECENAT CHIRURGIE
CARDIAQUE
UN CŒUR POUR LA PAIX
BAMBINO GESU/LA SAPIENZA ?
OTHERS
CONCLUSION
• HEAVEN CAN WAIT:
ANOTHER VISION
AND DIMENSION OF
FETAL
&PERINATAL
CARDIOLOGY
CONCLUSION
• THE MISSING
RING FOR
HUMINATARIAN
CARDIAC
ASSOCIATIONS
IMPROVE THEIR
EFFICACY
CONCLUSION
• DESPITE THE FACT
THAT REALISATION
AT BIG SCALE WILL
MEET MANY
DIFFICULTIES
BUT…..

07 m guirgis heaven can wait

  • 1.
    HEAVEN CAN WAIT ANEW VISION &ORIENTATION IN PERINATAL CARDIOLOGY INTERNATIONAL PROJECT Prof. Maurice GUIRGIS FETAL & PEDIATRIC CARDIOLOGY UNIT Hôpital Bichat– University Paris VII
  • 2.
    INITIAL VISION INFETAL CARDIOLOGY VERS UNE CARDIOLOGIE PRENATALE « THE FETUS AS CARDIAC PATIENT » Jean Kachaner & Laurent Fermont Presse Médicale 1984
  • 3.
    ACTUAL ORIENTATION /TRENDSIN FETAL CARDIOLOGY IN EUROPE EARLY DIAGNOSIS++/GENETIC & EXTRACARDIAC ANALYSIS INCREASE PRENATAL DIAGNOSIS TOP/ DECREASE PREVALENCE OF CHD TT OF FETAL ARRHYTHMIAS PRENATAL CATH …. DECREASE IN MORBIDITY & MORTALITY OF CHD
  • 4.
    ZOOM ON ACTUALORIENTATION • EARLY DIAGNOSIS : • PITFALLS 1st >2nd Trim • Fetal heart defects :Potential and pitfalls of first trimester detection • A Khalil & K. Nicolaides Sem in Fetal and Neonatal Med 2013
  • 5.
    ZOOM ON ACTUALORIENTATION • VERY EARLY DIAGNOSIS : • NO ACCURATE PROGNOSIS POSSIBLE IN BORDERLINE CASES: LACK OF STUDY OF EVOLUTIVITY POTENTIAL -> TOP
  • 6.
    ZOOM ON ACTUALORIENTATION NO TIME TO STUDY EVOLUTION TOP
  • 7.
    ZOOM ON ACTUALORIENTATION • CARDIAC ANOMALY AS SIGN OF GENETIC DIS. • WHATEVER IS THE TERM OR EVEN IN CASE OF DOUBTFULL DIAGNOSIS AS « PRINCIPE DE PRECAUTION » PSYCHIC PRESSURE FAMILY ANXIETY
  • 8.
    ZOOM ON ACTUALORIENTATION • CARDIAC ANOMALY AS SIGN OF GENETIC DIS. • LINEAR INSERTION OF AV VALVES PRESSURE ON CARDIOLOGISTS
  • 9.
    ZOOM ON ACTUALORIENTATION IMPACT ON PREVALENCE OF CHD RECENT DECREASE IN THE PREVALENCE OF CHD IN EUROPE B KOSHNOOD et al J Pediatr 2013;162:108-13 1990-2007 : 47508 cases with no Chrom Anomalies 16 countries 19 Population Europ Registries EUROCAT DECREASE PREVALENCE BY 4% PER YEAR BETWEEN 2004-2007 GROUP 1 : INCREASE IN PRENATAL DIAGNOSIS AND TOP IMPACT ON PREVALENCE, TIMING OF DIAGNOSIS AND MORTALITY OF NEWBORNS WITH CHD EPICARD 2005-2008 B KOSHNOOD et al HEART 2012; 98:1667-73 HETEROTAXY 89,2%/ UNIVENTRICULAR HEART 92,5%
  • 10.
    ZOOM ON ACTUALSITUATION ON FETAL & PERINATAL CARDIOLOGY FOR CRITICAL HD AND OUTCOME IN DEVELOPING COUNTRIES NO OR TREVIAL PRENATAL PROGRAM IN DEVELOPING COUNTRIES (BUT GROWING ATTEMPTS ) OPTIONS AFTER PRENATAL DIAG CRITICAL HT -TOP -DELIVERY NEONATAL MANAGEMENT ?/ DEATH -DEATH BEFORE TIME TO CONTACT ANY HUMANITARIAN ASSOCIATION -DEATH WAITING INTERVENTION -LACK OF CHANCE FOR OPTIMAL SURGERY : SENNING VERSUS SWITCH FOR SIMPLE TGV
  • 11.
    CONTRASTING SITUATIONS EUROPE :HIGH DETECTION , HIGH SELECTION AIMING TO PERFECT BABY DEVELOPPING COUNTRIES : HOPELESS SITUATION
  • 12.
    TIME FOR CHANGE? ADDINGA NEW DIMENSION FOR FETAL AND PERINATAL CARDIOLOGY ?
  • 13.
  • 14.
    HEAVEN CAN WAIT THESTORY FEBRUARY 2008 TEACHNING COURSE FETAL HEART FOR OBSTETRICIANS & RADIOLOGISTS IN MAURITUS
  • 15.
    HEAVEN CAN WAIT 3MONTHS LATER 33 WG FETAL AHT FOR ADVICE: BAD IMAGE QUALITY : DECISION TO COLLECT SOME MONEY FOR FLIGHT TO PARIS FOR EVALUATION 35 WG ARRIVAL TO PARIS CONFIRMATION OF AO COARC WITH TUBULAR ARCH HYPOPLASIA LADY REFUSE STAYING FOR DELIVERY but labour contractions while confirming her flight back to paris 37 WG DELIVERY IN PARIS /SURGERY IN D4 → EXCELLENT RESULT TRAVEL BACK SAFELY OBSTETRICIAN LETTER TO THE EDITOR « HEAVEN CAN WAIT »
  • 16.
    HEAVEN CAN WAIT EMBRYOOF PROJECT OBJECTIVES (1) FETO MATERNAL TRANSFER FOR DELIVERY AND CARDIAC SURGERY IN CRITICAL HD SIMPLE TGA / COARCTATION BEST CHANCE FOR NEONATE (2) OTHER PRENATAL DETECTED CASES : TRANSFER FILE TO HUMANITARIAN CHAINS FOR WAITING LIST FOR POSTNATAL MANAGEMENT HOPE FOR THE FAMILY BETTER MANAGEMENT FOR THE CHAIN
  • 17.
    HEAVEN CAN WAIT MEANS (1)PRENATAL CARDIAC PROGRAM DEVELOPMENT /TEACHING MISSIONS - Collaboration WHO, Ministry of Cooperation CE,.. - Countries were allready local contact exists with humanitarian associations (Chain of hope , Terre des Hommes , Chaine de l’espoir..) (2) INTERNATIONAL MULTIDISCIPLENARY TEAM FOR CASE SELECTION : OBSTETRICIAN /PEDIATRIC CARDIOLOGISTS /NEONATOLOGISTS SURGEONS (3) TELEMEDECINE (STIC)
  • 18.
    FETO MATERNAL TRANSFER BENEFIT -LESS EXPENSIVE ? - MATERNO FETAL > NEONATAL TRANSORT - NO PSYCHIC TRAUMA (MOTHER /BABY SEPARATION - BEST CHANCE FOR BABY : OPTIMAL STABILISATION PRENATAL DETECTION OF TGA DECREASE MORBIDITY & MORTALITY Bonnet et al Circ 1999:916-18
  • 19.
    FETO MATERNAL TRANSFER CONTRAINDICATIONS •MATERNAL • PLACENT PRAEVIA • RISK OF PMD • UNSTABLE MATERNAL PATHOLOGIES HTA, DIABETES CARDIAC,,, • FŒTAL • IUGR • EXTRACARDIAC
  • 20.
    FETO MATERNAL TRANSFER OPTIMAL •MATERNAL • NL MATERNAL CLINICAL AND LAB Toxo, Rubella, HIV,Hb • NL DOPPLER INDICES • FOETAL • 35 WG • ESTIMATED WT 2,5KG • NO EXTRACARDIAC MALFORMATIONS
  • 21.
    POTENTIAL ACTORS Pr YACOUBFOUNDATION CHAINE DE L’ESPOIR Pr LECA MECENAT CHIRURGIE CARDIAQUE UN CŒUR POUR LA PAIX BAMBINO GESU/LA SAPIENZA ? OTHERS
  • 22.
    CONCLUSION • HEAVEN CANWAIT: ANOTHER VISION AND DIMENSION OF FETAL &PERINATAL CARDIOLOGY
  • 23.
    CONCLUSION • THE MISSING RINGFOR HUMINATARIAN CARDIAC ASSOCIATIONS IMPROVE THEIR EFFICACY
  • 24.
    CONCLUSION • DESPITE THEFACT THAT REALISATION AT BIG SCALE WILL MEET MANY DIFFICULTIES BUT…..