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Old Garden Roses: Yesterday & Today

• Short history of Rose Development


• Roses that thrive in the California
  Coastal garden
Ancient History
1. Roses appear in historical fossil records
   70,000 years ago

2. Early civilizations incl.
   Chinese, Greeks, Egyptians and Romans grew
   roses widely
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Species Hybrid: Rosa californica plena (Unknown)
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Species: Rosa canina (bef 1557)
Species: Rosa chinensis var. spontanea ‘Dark Pink’ (unknown)
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Species: Rosa sempervirens (1629)
Hybrid Spinossisima: Harison’s Yellow-1830
Rosa gallica officinalis/Apothecary’s Rose (bef 1240)
Middle Ages
1. Early Middle Ages-Roses disappeared from
   most home gardens, existing predominantly
   in monastery gardens

2. The crusades led to wider distribution
Renaissance
1. Roses go across the pond


2. First OGR cultivars appeared in paintings


3. Increase in herbal texts & the rose’s use in
   medicine
Rosa centifolia/Cabbage Rose (bef 1450)
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Rosa damascena/Damask (bef 1560)
Rosa abla semi-plena (bef 1629)
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Common Moss (bef 1696)
18th to 19th Century
1. Distribution through merchant sea trade
  a) Four stud roses – Chinas


2. Increased culitvation

3. Explosion in popularity due to Empress
   Josephine
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          Old Blush                                        Slater’s Crimson China




Park’s Yellow Tea Scented China                           Hume’s Blush Tea Scented China
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Portland: Rose de Rescht (bef 1900)
Bourbon: Madame Isaac Periere (1881)
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Bourbon: Souvenir de la Malmaison (1843)
19th to 20th Century
1. Advent of Rose shows and standardization of
   rose aesthetic

  a) Focus on bloom over plant
  b) Hybrid Perpetuals exclipse all other classes
  c) Leads to what is perceived as a ‘rose’ today
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Hybrid Perpetual: Grandmother’s Hat (Found Rose)
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Hybrid Perpetual: Souvenir du Docteur Jamain (1865)
Roses for the California Coastal Garden
1. Pick the right rose for the right location
  a) Care free maintenance-disease resistance
  b) Durability
  c) OGRs vs Modern HTs
2. Old garden rose classes
  a)   Teas
  b)   Noisettes
  c)   Chinas
  d)   Hybrid Musks
  e)   Polyanthas
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Tea: Lady Hillingdon (1910)
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Tea: Duchesse de Brabant (1857)
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Noisette: Blush Noisette (1814)
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Tea Noisette: Gloire de Dijon (1850)
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China: Cramoisi Superior (1825)
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China: Mutabilis (bef 1894)
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Hybrid Musk: Buff Beauty (1939)
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Polyantha: Cécile Brünner (1880)
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Hybrid Tea: Madame Caroline Testout (1890)
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Hybrid Tea: Fragrant Cloud (1963)
Old Garden Roses: Yesterday & Today
1. OGR’s are a genetic piece of history in our
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2. OGR’s are superb garden plants and can
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Wil's rose presentation 1.14.12

  • 1. Old Garden Roses: Yesterday & Today • Short history of Rose Development • Roses that thrive in the California Coastal garden
  • 2. Ancient History 1. Roses appear in historical fossil records 70,000 years ago 2. Early civilizations incl. Chinese, Greeks, Egyptians and Romans grew roses widely
  • 3. © 2011 HelpMeFind.com Species Hybrid: Rosa californica plena (Unknown)
  • 4. © 2011 HelpMeFind.com Comm ents & Photo Questi ons R OSA CANINA ALBA rose photo courtesy of member J DR •My HMF:BACK •ADD TO FAVORITES •RATE THIS •POST COMMENT •PHOTO ERROR My gard en - Moj vrt, Slov enija Phot os are the prop erty of and copy right ed by their cont ribut or, all right s rese rved . Dow nloa ding or use is proh ibite d with out the cont ribut or's expli cit cons ent. Pho tos also copy right ed by Help MeF ind: Plea se repo rt illeg al use. Photo Id: 186585 Species: Rosa canina (bef 1557)
  • 5. Species: Rosa chinensis var. spontanea ‘Dark Pink’ (unknown)
  • 6. © 2011 HelpMeFind.com Species: Rosa sempervirens (1629)
  • 9. Middle Ages 1. Early Middle Ages-Roses disappeared from most home gardens, existing predominantly in monastery gardens 2. The crusades led to wider distribution
  • 10. Renaissance 1. Roses go across the pond 2. First OGR cultivars appeared in paintings 3. Increase in herbal texts & the rose’s use in medicine
  • 12. © 2011 HelpMeFind.com Comm ents & Photo Questi ons SUMMER DAMASK rose photo courtesy of member MURPHY 'S R OSE •My HMF:BACK •ADD TO FAVORITES •RATE THIS •POST COMMENT •PHOTO ERROR Phot os are the prop erty of and copy right ed by their cont ribut or, all right s rese rved . Dow nloa ding or use is proh ibite d with out the cont ribut or's expli cit cons ent. Pho tos also copy right ed by Help MeF ind: Plea se repo rt illeg al use. Photo Id: 143022 Rosa damascena/Damask (bef 1560)
  • 13. Rosa abla semi-plena (bef 1629)
  • 14. © 2011 HelpMeFind.com Comm ents & Photo Questi ons R. CENTIFOLIA MUSCOSA rose photo courtesy of member SEMIPLENA •My HMF:BACK •ADD TO FAVORITES •RATE THIS •POST COMMENT •PHOTO ERROR Phot os are the prop erty of and copy right ed by their cont ribut or, all right s rese rved . Dow nloa ding or use is proh ibite d with out the cont ribut or's expli cit cons ent. Pho tos also copy right ed by Help MeF ind: Plea se repo rt illeg al use. Photo Id: 167321 Common Moss (bef 1696)
  • 15. 18th to 19th Century 1. Distribution through merchant sea trade a) Four stud roses – Chinas 2. Increased culitvation 3. Explosion in popularity due to Empress Josephine
  • 16. © 2011 HelpMeFind.com FAB 4 STUDS Old Blush Slater’s Crimson China Park’s Yellow Tea Scented China Hume’s Blush Tea Scented China
  • 17. © 2011 HelpMeFind.com Portland: Rose de Rescht (bef 1900)
  • 18. Bourbon: Madame Isaac Periere (1881)
  • 19. © 2011 HelpMeFind.com Comm ents & Photo Questi ons SOUVENIR DE LA MALMAISON rose photo courtesy of member LILI R OSE •My HMF:BACK •ADD TO FAVORITES •RATE THIS •POST COMMENT •PHOTO ERROR Bourbon: Souvenir de la Malmaison (1843)
  • 20. 19th to 20th Century 1. Advent of Rose shows and standardization of rose aesthetic a) Focus on bloom over plant b) Hybrid Perpetuals exclipse all other classes c) Leads to what is perceived as a ‘rose’ today
  • 21. © 2011 HelpMeFind.com Hybrid Perpetual: Grandmother’s Hat (Found Rose)
  • 22. © 2011 HelpMeFind.com Hybrid Perpetual: Souvenir du Docteur Jamain (1865)
  • 23. Roses for the California Coastal Garden 1. Pick the right rose for the right location a) Care free maintenance-disease resistance b) Durability c) OGRs vs Modern HTs 2. Old garden rose classes a) Teas b) Noisettes c) Chinas d) Hybrid Musks e) Polyanthas
  • 24. © 2011 HelpMeFind.com Comm ents & Photo Questi ons LADY HILLINGDON rose photo courtesy of member ANNABETH •My HMF:BACK •ADD TO FAVORITES •RATE THIS •POST COMMENT •PHOTO ERROR At the Sacr ame nto City Cem eter y April 2011 Phot os are the prop erty of and copy right ed by their cont ribut or, all right s rese rved . Dow nloa ding or use is proh ibite d with out the cont ribut or's expli cit cons ent. Pho tos also copy right ed by Help MeF ind: Plea se repo rt illeg al use. Photo Id: 170720 Tea: Lady Hillingdon (1910)
  • 25. © 2011 HelpMeFind.com Tea: Duchesse de Brabant (1857)
  • 26. © 2011 HelpMeFind.com Noisette: Blush Noisette (1814)
  • 27. © 2011 HelpMeFind.com Tea Noisette: Gloire de Dijon (1850)
  • 28. © 2011 HelpMeFind.com Comm ents & Photo Questi ons CRAMOISI SUPÉRIEUR rose photo courtesy of PETALS AND BUDS GARDENS •My HMF:BACK •ADD TO FAVORITES •RATE THIS •POST COMMENT •PHOTO ERROR China: Cramoisi Superior (1825)
  • 29. © 2011 HelpMeFind.com China: Mutabilis (bef 1894)
  • 30. © 2011 HelpMeFind.com Hybrid Musk: Buff Beauty (1939)
  • 31. © 2011 HelpMeFind.com Polyantha: Cécile Brünner (1880)
  • 32. © 2011 HelpMeFind.com Hybrid Tea: Madame Caroline Testout (1890)
  • 33. © 2011 HelpMeFind.com Hybrid Tea: Fragrant Cloud (1963)
  • 34. Old Garden Roses: Yesterday & Today 1. OGR’s are a genetic piece of history in our gardens 2. OGR’s are superb garden plants and can thrive for centuries

Editor's Notes

  1. 2. Rose Classes grown: Species & species hybrids for most partRoses appear in Egyptian Tombs as funeral wreathsOne of the minor Roman Emperors showered guests with so many rose petals, he suffocated themImportation of roses was banned, because the ships were using valuable space usually reserved for grains for the roses used in Roman feast celebrations
  2. Due to reduced trade & hordesEmperor Charlemagne was one of few who grew roses in garden other than monksCrusades:Knights brought new rose classes, Gallica, Damask & possibly Alba, from the Middle East to their home gardens in EuropeAdvance in knowledge: traders, diplomats and scholars began to exchange roses & other plants
  3. Dutch painters focused on landscapes that included roses and other exotic plants; in general these roses were albas and centifoliasBritish herbalists found medicinal uses for roses, for example, fainting, weakness everything under the sun, whether it worked well or not
  4. 4 Stud Chinas:Distribution increase due to rise in merchant classImportance of 4 stud ChinasMost roses today can be traced back to these 4RemontancyHume’s Blush for example, survived arduous conditions, 1 in 1,000 survived the voyageCultivation:Plant CommerceDutch grow roses from seed; leading to more variety; focused on CentifoliasJosephineFrench become very interested in rose breedingJosephine instrumental in bringing the rose to the 18th century gardenAssembled and displayed all classes of roses in her garden at Malmaison—260 species & classesInspired a new breed of hybridizers in France and BritainHired painter Redouté to create a record of each rose; Les RosesPierre-Joseph Redouté (10 July 1759 in Saint-Hubert, Belgium – 19 June 1840 in Paris), was a Belgianpainter and botanist, known for his watercolours of roses, lilies and other flowers at Malmaison. He was nicknamed "The Raphael of flowers
  5. Rose ShowsRoses as a garden worthy plant are not as important as the bloom to the Victorian aestheticPrecursor to modern roses, i.e. HTsRemontancy, cold hardiness, color, showy bloomsHTs-cut flowers with long stems, awkward plants with few bare canes
  6. Teas,Noisettes and Chinas tend to be more drought tolerant than many of the modern rosesThese classes of OGR are more disease resistant than many modern HTsLess likely to get powdery mildew, rust, black spot, etc. than their modern counterpartsIn our foggy damp coastal areas blackspot can be a problem, while in our dry foothills powdery mildew is more of a problem. So, picking plants that are more resistant to these diseases is of vital importance.