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AMC Edition, Rev 2
EUNI 2014
All there is to know about:
Participating in a mining fleet
OUTLINE
• How fleets are announced and formed
• Key differences between BYOC and Shared Cans
• Standard procedures/best practices
• Spreadsheet and payments
• Ship types and other impacts on yield
• Staying safe during wartime
• How to react to the unforeseen
HOW FLEETS ARE ANNOUNCED AND
FORMED
• Pay attention to OPSEC
• Fleet Advertisements are not used in the AMC
• Calls and x-up only in secure AMC channel
• Not on the approved list? Not allowed in fleet.
• Everybody is mining into a shared
pool. Profit is shared.
• Fleet sticks together
• Dedicated hauler will move all ore to
a central location
• Boosts are mandatory (pretty much)
• Slacking is not tolerated
• Everybody is mining on their own,
for their own profit.
• Spreading the fleet in encouraged
• Everybody is responsible for their
own hauling
• Boosts are optional
• Pick your own pace
KEY DIFFERENCES
BYOC Shared Can
STANDARD PROCEDURES
ROLES IN MINING OPS
Role Count Skill Requirements Training time
Fleet Commander 1 Willing to step up 0d
Booster 1 Basic Orca
Perfect Orca
60d
140d
Hauler 1 Miasmos (up to 8 miners)
Orca (up to 16 miners)
Freighter
10d
60d
60d
Miner 6+ Mining ship
Covetor
Hulk
5d
50d
90d
Scout/Picket 0-2 Eagle eyed 0d
STANDARD PROCEDURES
FLEET MOTD
• Read the MOTD
• Questions? Read the MOTD again.
• Minimum requirements for the MOTD
• Name of the FC
• Link to spreadsheet
• Location/Belt
• Optional info in the MOTD
• Can naming scheme
• Time span
• Ore types
Images © CCP
STANDARD PROCEDURES
SPREADSHEET
All AMC Ops use the AMC Buyback Spreadsheet
• http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/AMC_Buyback_Spreadsheet
• FC is accountable for the spreadsheet
• all names must be in written out completely
• Laser on/off must be entered in a timely fashion
• Spreadsheet must be accessible to all fleet members at any time
FC not doing a proper spreadsheet?
• inform the FC
• if FC does not resolve the situation leave the fleet and escalate to an AMC
Officer ASAP
STANDARD PROCEDURES
TIME TRACKING
Laser on hh:mm/Laser off hh:mm
• used to track your contribution
• hh:mm is expressed in EVE time
• not used when fleet changes belt
AFK for lunch, bio, door, walk with the dog, other half/third/…?
• put it fleet chat, have FC acknowledge
• if return is ensured state intended dock time
• if not: Laser off
STANDARD PROCEDURES
PAYMENTS
All AMC Ops are equal shared based on contributed time
• Venture or Hulk … same time = same ISK
Usage of the AMC Buyback is encouraged but not required
• FC may opt to sell the ore to the market if this improves the payout
FC is accountable for paying the fleet members
• turning ore into ISK and distributing the ISK takes time
• allow for up to 7 days
• if FC does not respond escalate to AMC Officers
STANDARD PROCEDURES
JETCANS
Jettison from the cargo hold will create a
“jetcan”
• no skills required
• lasts up to 2 hours
Jetcans are always named
• to inform the hauler (e.g. Fleet hh:mm/Full hh:mm)
• keep track of can lifetime
• hh:mm is the creation time, it is not changed when
renaming to full
• unnamed cans are usually scoped right away
Bumping a jetcan will reduce the lifetime
Images © CCP
BEST PRACTICES
Changing belts
• is highly encouraged as soon as the FC calls it, but not before
• kept to a minimum to keep downtime and hauling effort low
• if you feel like you need to switch belts ask the FC for permission
Getting yelled because of doubling?
• can result in lost cycles -> less ISK
• use Alt key to check the roid
WHAT IS AN ORCA AND WHY DOES IT
MAKE A FUZZ ABOUT WARPING?
Orca provides 3 major boosts to the fleet
• 10/15% mining yield (passive)
• up to 11km extra mining laser range (active, 26km range)
• up to 33% cycle time reduction (active, 122s cycles)
Range and Cycle time are provided by active modules.
They are automatically disabled upon warp.
15 km range w/o Orca boosts
26 km range with Orca boosts
Images © CCP
SHIP TYPES
0 5 10 15 20 25
Venture
Retriever (Low Skill)
Procurer
Skiff
Retriever
Covetor
Mackinaw
Hulk
Hulk (maxed)
Venture
Retriever
(Low Skill)
Procurer Skiff Retriever Covetor Mackinaw Hulk Hulk (maxed)
Perfect Orca 3,336 14,634 16,55 17,931 18,042 19,197 19,544 22,206 22,803
Basic Orca 2,512 11,543 12,891 13,97 14,056 14,956 15,226 17,301 17,763
No Orca 2,007 8,718 9,733 10,547 10,614 11,293 11,495 13,065 13,411
MISK/h Veldspar
IMPACTS ON YIELD
Covetor
Mining Barge IV, Astrogeology IV
Modulated Strip Miner II
Mining V
Mining Laser Upgrades II
Mining Upgrades IV
<Ore> Mining Crystal II
<Ore> Processing IV
100% perfect cycles
19.2 MISK/h
Mining Barge II -1.4 MISK/h
Astrogeo III -0.8 MISK/h
Strip Miner I -2.8 MISK/h
MLU I -1.1 MISK/h
T1 crystals -1.4 MISK/h
wrong crystal -8.3 MISK/h
1 cycle missed/h -0.65 MISK/h
5 cycles missed/h -3.25 MISK/h
5 min AFK -1.6 MISK/h
? MISK/h
Images © CCP
STAYING SAFE DURING WARTIME
If in doubt deploy a scout
• if not do it anyways
• scouts are deployed several jumps out
• scouts are paid
Don’t idle in space, be on comms
99% of all WT victims agree to at least one of the following statements:
• If I had docked before going AFK I would still have a ship.
• They told me the wartarget was called out on comms, would have
helped if I had my headset on.
• Autopilot during wartime is a dump thing. And why the hell was it
routing me thru Jita, Hek, Amarr, Dodixie, Udema and Nairja?
• A proper instadock/safespot bookmark would have saved my bacon.
HOW TO REACT TO THE UNFORESEEN
1. Stay calm
2. Take a deep breath
3. Does the FC know about it? If not call out on comms.
• Use the Five Ws
4. Recheck “Safety Setting” and drone settings
5. Listen to the FC
Never engage anything in your industrial ship. Ever. Not even
a guaranteed kill.

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How to participate in an AMC mining fleet

  • 1. a.k.a. What to do when you see a "shared can, please x up" AMC Edition, Rev 2 EUNI 2014 All there is to know about: Participating in a mining fleet
  • 2. OUTLINE • How fleets are announced and formed • Key differences between BYOC and Shared Cans • Standard procedures/best practices • Spreadsheet and payments • Ship types and other impacts on yield • Staying safe during wartime • How to react to the unforeseen
  • 3. HOW FLEETS ARE ANNOUNCED AND FORMED • Pay attention to OPSEC • Fleet Advertisements are not used in the AMC • Calls and x-up only in secure AMC channel • Not on the approved list? Not allowed in fleet.
  • 4. • Everybody is mining into a shared pool. Profit is shared. • Fleet sticks together • Dedicated hauler will move all ore to a central location • Boosts are mandatory (pretty much) • Slacking is not tolerated • Everybody is mining on their own, for their own profit. • Spreading the fleet in encouraged • Everybody is responsible for their own hauling • Boosts are optional • Pick your own pace KEY DIFFERENCES BYOC Shared Can
  • 5. STANDARD PROCEDURES ROLES IN MINING OPS Role Count Skill Requirements Training time Fleet Commander 1 Willing to step up 0d Booster 1 Basic Orca Perfect Orca 60d 140d Hauler 1 Miasmos (up to 8 miners) Orca (up to 16 miners) Freighter 10d 60d 60d Miner 6+ Mining ship Covetor Hulk 5d 50d 90d Scout/Picket 0-2 Eagle eyed 0d
  • 6. STANDARD PROCEDURES FLEET MOTD • Read the MOTD • Questions? Read the MOTD again. • Minimum requirements for the MOTD • Name of the FC • Link to spreadsheet • Location/Belt • Optional info in the MOTD • Can naming scheme • Time span • Ore types Images © CCP
  • 7. STANDARD PROCEDURES SPREADSHEET All AMC Ops use the AMC Buyback Spreadsheet • http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/AMC_Buyback_Spreadsheet • FC is accountable for the spreadsheet • all names must be in written out completely • Laser on/off must be entered in a timely fashion • Spreadsheet must be accessible to all fleet members at any time FC not doing a proper spreadsheet? • inform the FC • if FC does not resolve the situation leave the fleet and escalate to an AMC Officer ASAP
  • 8. STANDARD PROCEDURES TIME TRACKING Laser on hh:mm/Laser off hh:mm • used to track your contribution • hh:mm is expressed in EVE time • not used when fleet changes belt AFK for lunch, bio, door, walk with the dog, other half/third/…? • put it fleet chat, have FC acknowledge • if return is ensured state intended dock time • if not: Laser off
  • 9. STANDARD PROCEDURES PAYMENTS All AMC Ops are equal shared based on contributed time • Venture or Hulk … same time = same ISK Usage of the AMC Buyback is encouraged but not required • FC may opt to sell the ore to the market if this improves the payout FC is accountable for paying the fleet members • turning ore into ISK and distributing the ISK takes time • allow for up to 7 days • if FC does not respond escalate to AMC Officers
  • 10. STANDARD PROCEDURES JETCANS Jettison from the cargo hold will create a “jetcan” • no skills required • lasts up to 2 hours Jetcans are always named • to inform the hauler (e.g. Fleet hh:mm/Full hh:mm) • keep track of can lifetime • hh:mm is the creation time, it is not changed when renaming to full • unnamed cans are usually scoped right away Bumping a jetcan will reduce the lifetime Images © CCP
  • 11. BEST PRACTICES Changing belts • is highly encouraged as soon as the FC calls it, but not before • kept to a minimum to keep downtime and hauling effort low • if you feel like you need to switch belts ask the FC for permission Getting yelled because of doubling? • can result in lost cycles -> less ISK • use Alt key to check the roid
  • 12. WHAT IS AN ORCA AND WHY DOES IT MAKE A FUZZ ABOUT WARPING? Orca provides 3 major boosts to the fleet • 10/15% mining yield (passive) • up to 11km extra mining laser range (active, 26km range) • up to 33% cycle time reduction (active, 122s cycles) Range and Cycle time are provided by active modules. They are automatically disabled upon warp. 15 km range w/o Orca boosts 26 km range with Orca boosts Images © CCP
  • 13. SHIP TYPES 0 5 10 15 20 25 Venture Retriever (Low Skill) Procurer Skiff Retriever Covetor Mackinaw Hulk Hulk (maxed) Venture Retriever (Low Skill) Procurer Skiff Retriever Covetor Mackinaw Hulk Hulk (maxed) Perfect Orca 3,336 14,634 16,55 17,931 18,042 19,197 19,544 22,206 22,803 Basic Orca 2,512 11,543 12,891 13,97 14,056 14,956 15,226 17,301 17,763 No Orca 2,007 8,718 9,733 10,547 10,614 11,293 11,495 13,065 13,411 MISK/h Veldspar
  • 14. IMPACTS ON YIELD Covetor Mining Barge IV, Astrogeology IV Modulated Strip Miner II Mining V Mining Laser Upgrades II Mining Upgrades IV <Ore> Mining Crystal II <Ore> Processing IV 100% perfect cycles 19.2 MISK/h Mining Barge II -1.4 MISK/h Astrogeo III -0.8 MISK/h Strip Miner I -2.8 MISK/h MLU I -1.1 MISK/h T1 crystals -1.4 MISK/h wrong crystal -8.3 MISK/h 1 cycle missed/h -0.65 MISK/h 5 cycles missed/h -3.25 MISK/h 5 min AFK -1.6 MISK/h ? MISK/h Images © CCP
  • 15. STAYING SAFE DURING WARTIME If in doubt deploy a scout • if not do it anyways • scouts are deployed several jumps out • scouts are paid Don’t idle in space, be on comms 99% of all WT victims agree to at least one of the following statements: • If I had docked before going AFK I would still have a ship. • They told me the wartarget was called out on comms, would have helped if I had my headset on. • Autopilot during wartime is a dump thing. And why the hell was it routing me thru Jita, Hek, Amarr, Dodixie, Udema and Nairja? • A proper instadock/safespot bookmark would have saved my bacon.
  • 16. HOW TO REACT TO THE UNFORESEEN 1. Stay calm 2. Take a deep breath 3. Does the FC know about it? If not call out on comms. • Use the Five Ws 4. Recheck “Safety Setting” and drone settings 5. Listen to the FC Never engage anything in your industrial ship. Ever. Not even a guaranteed kill.