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Discussion: Good, Better, Best: The 
Social Context of Labour-market Success 
Discussant: 
Patricia Ruggles 
Senior Fellow 
IARIW Meetings 
Session 8a 
August 29, 2014 
by 
Andrew Clark and Conchita D’Ambrosio
Premise of Paper 
• Well-being as a relative concept: 
• Income 
• Labor force, marital status, health issues 
• Reference group matters 
• Potential negative externalities of others’ success 
• Reference group can have a time dimension 
• Paper asks: are positive changes in labor force status (eg, 
promotions) relative? And if so, in what way? 
• Estimate externalities from promotions of others in 
reference group 
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Utility Function Specification 
• Utility function used in paper is based on a generic utility 
function where utility depends on not only the level of the 
individual i’s own income at some period t, but also the 
level of some comparison income measured at time t. 
• Utility rises with own income but the effect of comparison 
income is negative (e.g., deflates impact of own income 
increases). 
• Adding time-related factor: vector of past and potential 
promotions (own and comparative others) added to utility 
function specification 
• Two versions: one models promotion prospects, other 
changes on income 
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• 1985-2012 waves of the German Socio- 
Economic Panel (SOEP) 
• Sample includes individuals aged16 to 64 who 
are employees--208,000 observations (on 
approximately 33,000 different individuals). 
•Dependent variable (proxy for utility): job 
satisfaction—0 to 10 scale; mean and median 
both 7 
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Data
Model Specification 
• First model impact of own promotion on job 
satisfaction 
• Then add those of partners, others in same 
occupation, region and year 
• Looked at both expected promotions, as well as 
income impacts of past promotions 
• Within each panel of survey, results based on 
probit regressions on job satisfaction over time 
with individual time-invariant fixed effects 
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General Results 
•Results are consistent with the premises of the 
indirect utility function, with satisfaction rising with 
labor income but falling with hours of work. 
• Satisfaction U-shaped with respect to age; men 
less satisfied than women (holding wages and 
hours constant) 
•Relative estimated coefficients on income and 
hours of work are similar in size across the 
pooled and panel estimates 
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Results on Impacts of Own Promotion Probability 
• Three measures of promotion probability, due to question 
changes in SOEP 
• In general, greater probability of promotion is associated 
with higher job satisfaction 
• The addition of promotion probabilities to the job 
satisfaction regression does not seem to make much 
difference to the size of the coefficient on own labor 
income. 
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Relative Impacts of Promotion Probability 
• Own promotion probabilities still have positive impact if 
spouse’s probabilities are included, but spouse’s better 
opportunities reduce own satisfaction 
• However, higher spouse’s opportunities increase 
importance of own promotion prospects (although not 
always significantly) 
• Similar but smaller impacts for promotion opportunities of 
other reference group—occupation/region/year cohort 
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Impacts of Others’ Income 
• Partner’s income generally has a negative impact on own 
job satisfaction 
• Earning more than partner increases satisfaction 
• Having a larger increase in your earnings than in your 
spouse’s also increases job satisfaction 
• For occupational group comparisons—having a larger 
increase than the average for your occupation increases 
satisfaction 
• This effect is larger than effect of spouse’s relative income 
• For men, being in a job with high increases overall is 
associated with lower satisfaction, but not for women 
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Authors’ Conclusions 
• At face value—confirms hypothesis that the impacts of 
promotions and of changes in income on an individual’s 
own job satisfaction are at least partly relative, just as 
income effects on satisfication in general have been 
shown to be 
• Authors note that it is likely that there is heterogeneity in 
individuals' propensity to carry out comparisons; some 
evidence of differences between men and women, and 
may be other personality-related factors 
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10
Comments: My Conclusions 
• Authors’ conclusions are interesting, but possibly not 
especially surprising—envy is known to be a human 
characteristic, and it is natural to envy those who are 
most similar and/or most available for comparison 
• It is also not surprising that individuals who are in a 
position to experience such envy are less satisfied than 
those who are on the winning side of the equation 
• Broader question—why should we care? Authors— 
possible implications for human resources strategies; but 
are there any that relate to economic or social justice? 
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11
Comments: Implications of Results 
• As with last paper, results are interesting, but I’m not 
sure what they have to do with economic or social justice 
• I’m pretty sure envy is not a curable human condition 
• It’s not clear to me that justice would be increased even 
if we could keep people’s satisfaction from being 
reduced by others’ good fortune or success 
• Is the implication here that a less competitive society 
would be a happier one? 
• Even if that were so, is it incumbent on policy makers to 
attempt social changes that may theoretically reduce 
unhappiness, even if the causes of that unhappiness 
have nothing to do with social policy? 
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Session 8 a iariw discussion clark paper -ruggles

  • 1. Discussion: Good, Better, Best: The Social Context of Labour-market Success Discussant: Patricia Ruggles Senior Fellow IARIW Meetings Session 8a August 29, 2014 by Andrew Clark and Conchita D’Ambrosio
  • 2. Premise of Paper • Well-being as a relative concept: • Income • Labor force, marital status, health issues • Reference group matters • Potential negative externalities of others’ success • Reference group can have a time dimension • Paper asks: are positive changes in labor force status (eg, promotions) relative? And if so, in what way? • Estimate externalities from promotions of others in reference group Footer Information Here 2
  • 3. Utility Function Specification • Utility function used in paper is based on a generic utility function where utility depends on not only the level of the individual i’s own income at some period t, but also the level of some comparison income measured at time t. • Utility rises with own income but the effect of comparison income is negative (e.g., deflates impact of own income increases). • Adding time-related factor: vector of past and potential promotions (own and comparative others) added to utility function specification • Two versions: one models promotion prospects, other changes on income Footer Information Here 3
  • 4. • 1985-2012 waves of the German Socio- Economic Panel (SOEP) • Sample includes individuals aged16 to 64 who are employees--208,000 observations (on approximately 33,000 different individuals). •Dependent variable (proxy for utility): job satisfaction—0 to 10 scale; mean and median both 7 Footer Information Here 4 Data
  • 5. Model Specification • First model impact of own promotion on job satisfaction • Then add those of partners, others in same occupation, region and year • Looked at both expected promotions, as well as income impacts of past promotions • Within each panel of survey, results based on probit regressions on job satisfaction over time with individual time-invariant fixed effects Footer Information Here 5
  • 6. General Results •Results are consistent with the premises of the indirect utility function, with satisfaction rising with labor income but falling with hours of work. • Satisfaction U-shaped with respect to age; men less satisfied than women (holding wages and hours constant) •Relative estimated coefficients on income and hours of work are similar in size across the pooled and panel estimates Footer Information Here 6
  • 7. Results on Impacts of Own Promotion Probability • Three measures of promotion probability, due to question changes in SOEP • In general, greater probability of promotion is associated with higher job satisfaction • The addition of promotion probabilities to the job satisfaction regression does not seem to make much difference to the size of the coefficient on own labor income. Footer Information Here 7
  • 8. Relative Impacts of Promotion Probability • Own promotion probabilities still have positive impact if spouse’s probabilities are included, but spouse’s better opportunities reduce own satisfaction • However, higher spouse’s opportunities increase importance of own promotion prospects (although not always significantly) • Similar but smaller impacts for promotion opportunities of other reference group—occupation/region/year cohort Footer Information Here 8
  • 9. Impacts of Others’ Income • Partner’s income generally has a negative impact on own job satisfaction • Earning more than partner increases satisfaction • Having a larger increase in your earnings than in your spouse’s also increases job satisfaction • For occupational group comparisons—having a larger increase than the average for your occupation increases satisfaction • This effect is larger than effect of spouse’s relative income • For men, being in a job with high increases overall is associated with lower satisfaction, but not for women Footer Information Here 9
  • 10. Authors’ Conclusions • At face value—confirms hypothesis that the impacts of promotions and of changes in income on an individual’s own job satisfaction are at least partly relative, just as income effects on satisfication in general have been shown to be • Authors note that it is likely that there is heterogeneity in individuals' propensity to carry out comparisons; some evidence of differences between men and women, and may be other personality-related factors Footer Information Here 10
  • 11. Comments: My Conclusions • Authors’ conclusions are interesting, but possibly not especially surprising—envy is known to be a human characteristic, and it is natural to envy those who are most similar and/or most available for comparison • It is also not surprising that individuals who are in a position to experience such envy are less satisfied than those who are on the winning side of the equation • Broader question—why should we care? Authors— possible implications for human resources strategies; but are there any that relate to economic or social justice? Footer Information Here 11
  • 12. Comments: Implications of Results • As with last paper, results are interesting, but I’m not sure what they have to do with economic or social justice • I’m pretty sure envy is not a curable human condition • It’s not clear to me that justice would be increased even if we could keep people’s satisfaction from being reduced by others’ good fortune or success • Is the implication here that a less competitive society would be a happier one? • Even if that were so, is it incumbent on policy makers to attempt social changes that may theoretically reduce unhappiness, even if the causes of that unhappiness have nothing to do with social policy? Footer Information Here 12