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Breaking the SDR Dogma
#SALESDEV17
Carrie Simpson, Managed Sales Pros
10 Facts About MSPros
1.  Profitable YEAR ONE (and every year after that, too!)
2.  Self funded – started with nothing but a phone and a laptop
3.  3rd party verified growth – 621% over last 2 years
4.  50% of our team works remotely (we’ve never met them!)
5.  Our highest paid SDR makes $17/hour
6.  70% of our call team makes $10/hour
7.  90% of our team (including me) have no degree
8.  Our team performs as well as our clients’ in-house SDRs
9.  We don’t spiff our SDR team
10.  We ONLY use calling, SDRs do not email prospects.
Managed Sales Pros primarily supports
technology companies who are executing
on displacement or “knock-out” campaigns
Language “Sync-up”
DISPLACEMENT
u  The prospect already has something – real or perceived – that solves the
problem you’re trying to solve for them
u  There is no “land grab” in displacement
Displacement:
• You don’t need to educate the
prospect on the value of what you’re
offering
• They already understand the value
• They already bought in!
Displacement campaigns rely heavily on t
wo things:
u  Volume
u  Timing
If your sales cycle is highly dependent on TIMING:
u  Process is essential, and,
u  Process only works when you have great data.
Great Process + Great
Data + Great SDRS
= More Sales
Appointments
YEAR ONE:
THE BAD IDEAS THAT WE
THOUGHT WERE GOOD IDEAS
1
Thought: we will hire a telemarketer
and offer them more money than they
currently make
2
Thought: we will offer a really
exciting variable comp plan to attract
aggressive hunters and minimize our
risk
3
Thought: we will hire a telemarketer,
and we will groom them to become
our next sales executive.
And how did that go for us?
• Poorly qualified meetings
• Overly aggressive callers
• Team members who were not
content in their roles
• Huge holes in data and process
We bought in to some myths, and we paid for it.
We started being successful when we strayed from SDR Dogma
MYTH ONE:
THE SALES
BENCH
THEORY
The “Sales Bench Theory”
u  The SDR role is an entry level role that we can make attractive
to those seeking a career path within our company
u  Great candidates will take this entry level role with eyes towards their car
eer path with the company
u  It is the first step towards becoming a great account executive or manager
The Sales Bench Reality
u  You can’t hire a lead generator and expect them to grow into a great sales
executive
u  You can’t hire a sales executive and expect them to be a great lead generator
The Sales Bench Reality
The most desirable profile traits for a sales rep:
u  1. Drive
u  2. Influencing Others
u  3. Risk Tolerance
u  4. Recovery From Setbacks
u  5. Takes Leadership
The Sales Bench Reality
The most desirable profile traits for an SDR:
u  1. Service Orientation
u  2. Takes Leadership
u  3. Consideration for Others
u  4. Organization
u  5. Stress Tolerance
How We Changed
u  We pay attention to the profile, not the resume
u  We started recruiting in non-traditional ways and places (many second-chance hires)
u  We hire people on-premise for whom our roles are a step up, not people who are wildly ambitious
u  Our goal is to MAKE them wildly ambitious, and we plan to lose them when they get there
u  We created tiers of SDRs for promotion and recognition
u  We changed our comp plan to a lower hourly – less attractive to experienced sales
u  We add something new to the team comp plan annually that benefits everyone
u  paid lunch and coffee breaks
u  paid vacation – 2 weeks annually after a year with us
u  Health insurance (75% coverage, low copay, low deductible)
u  Paid family leave (12 weeks full salary)
MYTH
TWO:
MONEY
TALKS
Money Doesn’t Make The SDR World Go ‘Round
Great SDRs are risk-adverse and seek stability, not commissions
MYTH
THREE:
CAREER
PATHS
College Degrees aren’t required and Career Paths are limited
•  The SDR role is an entry level role that doesn’t require a degree.
•  The SDR role can be filled with minimum wage talent.
•  The SDR role will churn
•  The SDR team can churn without disrupting your process
•  The SDR personality profile will not excel at sales
•  The SDR personality profile will not excel at sales management
•  Make your SDRs into BETTER SDRs
We expect 1/25 hires to advance
We have zero tolerance for absenteeism or tardiness
We hire AND fire quickly – that’s the min wage market
3/5 don’t make it out of training
Those who make it through training develop quickly
Good people stay out of loyalty, risk aversion or necessity
Great people move into hybrid roles with additional responsibilities
Exceptional SDRs eventually top out and move on – and good on them.
MYTH FOUR:
GAMIFICATION
Reality
u  Good SDRs collaborate, not compete
u  Gamification adversely affects morale
u  Gamification (like commission) encourages bad behavior
u  Gamification shows one or two factors, it doesn’t reflect quality of work
MYTH
FIVE:
THE STACK
Reality
u  With the right people in the right seats, your stack is irrelevant
u  KISS
CRM: $35.00/seat
Call Platform: $60.00/seat (inclusive)
Email: $5.00/seat
integration/custom report/programming requirements: $12,000.00 PA (max)
Data entry/database maintenance 1 FTE x $15.00/hour
Zoho administration $15,000.00 PA (.25 FTE)
Lead lists: FREE – library resource
MYTH
SIX:
THE
BULL PEN
Reality
You can hire remote callers in cities where people don’t
pay exorbitant rent and need to commute
for 1.5 hours to get to your office
Our experience w/ remote callers is different than our on premise callers
We hire experienced callers for remote roles.
We pay them more – 1099 roles.
We haven’t had someone leave our remote call team in over two years.
We hire sight unseen based on interviews and use platform to train, audit, coach
and communicate.
Remote callers work only one one person to one project assignments, there is no
need for them to collaborate with each other.
Hiring profile is slightly different and skewed towards working independently.
How Can Managed Sales Pros Help?
u  We can prospect for you.
u  We can teach your team to prospect.
u  We can help you set up your calling systems and
processes, including recruiting.
Contact Us
@coldcallcarrie
carrie@managedsalespros.com
702-695-3258
THANK YOU

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Breaking the Dogma in Sales Development - Carrie Simpson at The Sales Development Conference 2017

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  • 2. Breaking the SDR Dogma #SALESDEV17
  • 4. 10 Facts About MSPros 1.  Profitable YEAR ONE (and every year after that, too!) 2.  Self funded – started with nothing but a phone and a laptop 3.  3rd party verified growth – 621% over last 2 years 4.  50% of our team works remotely (we’ve never met them!) 5.  Our highest paid SDR makes $17/hour 6.  70% of our call team makes $10/hour 7.  90% of our team (including me) have no degree 8.  Our team performs as well as our clients’ in-house SDRs 9.  We don’t spiff our SDR team 10.  We ONLY use calling, SDRs do not email prospects.
  • 5. Managed Sales Pros primarily supports technology companies who are executing on displacement or “knock-out” campaigns
  • 6. Language “Sync-up” DISPLACEMENT u  The prospect already has something – real or perceived – that solves the problem you’re trying to solve for them u  There is no “land grab” in displacement
  • 7. Displacement: • You don’t need to educate the prospect on the value of what you’re offering • They already understand the value • They already bought in!
  • 8. Displacement campaigns rely heavily on t wo things: u  Volume u  Timing
  • 9. If your sales cycle is highly dependent on TIMING: u  Process is essential, and, u  Process only works when you have great data.
  • 10. Great Process + Great Data + Great SDRS = More Sales Appointments
  • 11. YEAR ONE: THE BAD IDEAS THAT WE THOUGHT WERE GOOD IDEAS
  • 12. 1 Thought: we will hire a telemarketer and offer them more money than they currently make 2 Thought: we will offer a really exciting variable comp plan to attract aggressive hunters and minimize our risk 3 Thought: we will hire a telemarketer, and we will groom them to become our next sales executive.
  • 13. And how did that go for us? • Poorly qualified meetings • Overly aggressive callers • Team members who were not content in their roles • Huge holes in data and process
  • 14. We bought in to some myths, and we paid for it. We started being successful when we strayed from SDR Dogma
  • 16. The “Sales Bench Theory” u  The SDR role is an entry level role that we can make attractive to those seeking a career path within our company u  Great candidates will take this entry level role with eyes towards their car eer path with the company u  It is the first step towards becoming a great account executive or manager
  • 17. The Sales Bench Reality u  You can’t hire a lead generator and expect them to grow into a great sales executive u  You can’t hire a sales executive and expect them to be a great lead generator
  • 18. The Sales Bench Reality The most desirable profile traits for a sales rep: u  1. Drive u  2. Influencing Others u  3. Risk Tolerance u  4. Recovery From Setbacks u  5. Takes Leadership
  • 19. The Sales Bench Reality The most desirable profile traits for an SDR: u  1. Service Orientation u  2. Takes Leadership u  3. Consideration for Others u  4. Organization u  5. Stress Tolerance
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  • 23. How We Changed u  We pay attention to the profile, not the resume u  We started recruiting in non-traditional ways and places (many second-chance hires) u  We hire people on-premise for whom our roles are a step up, not people who are wildly ambitious u  Our goal is to MAKE them wildly ambitious, and we plan to lose them when they get there u  We created tiers of SDRs for promotion and recognition u  We changed our comp plan to a lower hourly – less attractive to experienced sales u  We add something new to the team comp plan annually that benefits everyone u  paid lunch and coffee breaks u  paid vacation – 2 weeks annually after a year with us u  Health insurance (75% coverage, low copay, low deductible) u  Paid family leave (12 weeks full salary)
  • 25. Money Doesn’t Make The SDR World Go ‘Round Great SDRs are risk-adverse and seek stability, not commissions
  • 27. College Degrees aren’t required and Career Paths are limited •  The SDR role is an entry level role that doesn’t require a degree. •  The SDR role can be filled with minimum wage talent. •  The SDR role will churn •  The SDR team can churn without disrupting your process •  The SDR personality profile will not excel at sales •  The SDR personality profile will not excel at sales management •  Make your SDRs into BETTER SDRs
  • 28. We expect 1/25 hires to advance We have zero tolerance for absenteeism or tardiness We hire AND fire quickly – that’s the min wage market 3/5 don’t make it out of training Those who make it through training develop quickly Good people stay out of loyalty, risk aversion or necessity Great people move into hybrid roles with additional responsibilities Exceptional SDRs eventually top out and move on – and good on them.
  • 30. Reality u  Good SDRs collaborate, not compete u  Gamification adversely affects morale u  Gamification (like commission) encourages bad behavior u  Gamification shows one or two factors, it doesn’t reflect quality of work
  • 32. Reality u  With the right people in the right seats, your stack is irrelevant u  KISS
  • 33. CRM: $35.00/seat Call Platform: $60.00/seat (inclusive) Email: $5.00/seat integration/custom report/programming requirements: $12,000.00 PA (max) Data entry/database maintenance 1 FTE x $15.00/hour Zoho administration $15,000.00 PA (.25 FTE) Lead lists: FREE – library resource
  • 35. Reality You can hire remote callers in cities where people don’t pay exorbitant rent and need to commute for 1.5 hours to get to your office
  • 36. Our experience w/ remote callers is different than our on premise callers We hire experienced callers for remote roles. We pay them more – 1099 roles. We haven’t had someone leave our remote call team in over two years. We hire sight unseen based on interviews and use platform to train, audit, coach and communicate. Remote callers work only one one person to one project assignments, there is no need for them to collaborate with each other. Hiring profile is slightly different and skewed towards working independently.
  • 37. How Can Managed Sales Pros Help? u  We can prospect for you. u  We can teach your team to prospect. u  We can help you set up your calling systems and processes, including recruiting.