This document summarizes a panel discussion on navigating uncertainty related to Brexit. The panel discusses how Brexit will impact investing and doing business in the UK, access to talent, structuring and financing, and VAT and customs duties. Key points include concerns for US companies with UK subsidiaries, potential issues with talent retention and access due to changes in freedom of movement, and implications for VAT and duties depending on the final deal between the UK and EU. The panel provides analysis to help businesses understand and plan for potential effects of Brexit.
2. TODAY’S PANEL
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John Stanford
Moore Stephens
Director, Consulting Services
Mark Fagan, Moderator
Citrin Cooperman
Managing Partner, Norwalk CT
Office & Co-Leader, International
Strategy Group
Kevin Phillips
Moore Stephens
Partner
Nick Warner
Moore Stephens
Partner, VAT
Merryck Lowe
Moore Stephens
Partner
3. UNCERTAINTY
IN THE NEW
NORMAL OF
BREXIT
Because even now, some politicians… say that the referendum
isn’t valid, that we need to have a second vote… “But come
on. The referendum result was clear. It was legitimate. It was
the biggest vote for change this country has ever known.
Brexit means Brexit – and we’re going to make a success of
it.”
- Theresa May, British Prime Minister
Countries have always traded the most with their biggest,
closest neighbours. This is by far the most reliable fact about
international trade no matter which set of countries, time
period or sector (Goods services, ecommerce, foreign
investments) is looked at.
- London School of Economics
From a digital standpoint the UK is and will be one of the
world’s key digital destinations and hard for investors to
ignore. Investors are still looking to make deals, especially
when the technology involved has significant commercial
potential.
- Damian Ryan, Moore Stephens 2
4. Uncertainty of any sort results in volatility, and Brexit will be
no exception
- Reghuram Rajan, Economist
In Britain ever more, they will realize that Brexit, well, has
consequences – economic, commercial, partnerships. Perhaps
during the referendum the impression was given that once the
Brexit button was pushed everything would take care of itself
easily. Well, that is not true.
- Charles Michel, Belgian Prime Minister
The Eurosceptic genie is out of the bottle and it will now not
be put back. EU’s finished, EU’s dead.
- Nigel Farage, British Politician, Broadcaster, and Political Analyst
Brexit could be catastrophic for the NHS. Even a Soft Brexit
restricting free movement could cause problems with
recruitment, financing, public health legislation and product
licences.
– The Lancet
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UNCERTAINTY
IN THE NEW
NORMAL OF
BREXIT
8. OVERVIEW
• Current Brexit timetable
• Why has 18 months gone by without much happening?
• Why is the impact still unclear?
• Will a change in leadership in the UK affect Brexit?
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9. WHAT WAS
THE DECISION?
• 23 June 2016 – Decision to leave the European Union
• But what is the European Union?
• Single market of (currently) 28 countries
• Based on 4 fundamental freedoms of movement
• Goods; Services; People; Capital
• European Court of Justice (ECJ) has authority over
member states
• As part of the EU we have:
• Customs union (allowing tariff-free goods and
services)
• Passporting of financial services
• Right to work in any EU state
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11. WHY IS IT
TAKING SO
LONG?
The Pre-Negotiation Requirements
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• Citizens Rights
• Irish Border
• ‘Divorce Bill’
• “…the UK will honour its commitments made during the
period of our membership. (However) We are not yet at
the stage of specifying exactly what these commitments
are!” (Theresa May, Florence, Sept 2017)
David Davis
Secretary of State for Exiting
the European Union
Michel Barnier
Chief Negotiator the
European Commission
14. INVESTING AND
DOING
BUSINESS IN
THE UK
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• Concerns for US based companies with subsidiaries in the
UK?
• If the UK subsidiary is a hub for the European business,
how will Brexit affect this dynamic?
• What should US companies be considering before
investing in the UK?
16. VAT &
CUSTOMS
DUTIES
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• Single Market introduced in 1993 – B2B goods
“acquisitions” replace imports : no VAT payable at import
no duty payable between EU Member States
free circulation within EU in most circumstances
• B2B Services
“destination” principle (VAT payable where customer belongs)
• B2C e-services
“One-stop-shop” : no need for multi-territory VAT registrations
• Post-Brexit (depending on type of deal)
no change for imports into UK from non-EU sources
but goods for re-sale into the EU from UK potentially liable to
duties and VAT now payable at import (i.e. cash-flow funding)
18. STRUCTURING,
FINANCING, &
TAX
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• Will Brexit impact the legal structures that exist for US
companies operating in the UK and EU?
• UK is and will remain a very attractive regional holding
company location for US investors into Europe
• UK’s tax rate of 19% (falling to 17% in 2020) is unaffected
• It will continue to be tax-efficient to earn taxable profits in
a UK holding company rather than its EU subs
• Currently, EU Tax Directives guarantee no withholding
taxes on dividends and interest from EU subs to UK parent
• If the UK ceases to benefit from these post-Brexit, it can
fall back on its double tax treaties
• In most cases, these provide similar exemptions – worst
case, a 5% WHT on dividends.
19. • Treatment in US as before
• Dividend from Swiss sub. exempt in UK
• No UK WHT on dividends paid to US
parent
• Swiss federal and cantonal tax at (say)
15%
• Swiss WHT on dividend to UK at 35%
under domestic law
• Exempt under Swiss-EU savings agreement
US parent
company
Swiss subsidiary
company
UK intermediary
holding company
US parent with UK sub with European sub
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23. THANK YOU
Look out for an invitation to join us for
our next Brexit webcast which will give
an update on progress made and how
this affects businesses.
25. MARK FAGAN
CPA
Managing Partner,
Norwalk, CT Office
(203) 847-4068
mfagan@citrincooperman.com
Mark Fagan is the managing partner of Citrin Cooperman’s Norwalk, Connecticut office. He is
also the leader of Citrin Cooperman’s International Strategy Group and serves as a member of
Citrin Cooperman’s Executive Committee and the Firm's Audit and Attest Committee. With over
25 years of audit, tax, and business advisory experience, he serves clients in a wide range of
industries, including technology, financial services, private equity, manufacturing and
distribution, and construction. Mark’s clients range from privately held middle-market firms to
larger, complex, multi-national organizations.
Mark specializes in counseling businesses and CEOs in the areas of business formation,
profitability enhancement, revenue recognition, and mergers and acquisitions. As leader of the
International Strategy Group, Mark also specializes in working with global and globally-minded
companies to help them navigate cross-border concerns, including guidance around accounting
standards and compliance requirements, transactions, and growth strategies, and works closely
with firm resources and Moore Stephens member firms to coordinate access and services in the
local regions where these clients do business.
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26. JOHN
STANFORD
Director
IT Consulting
+44 (0)20 7334 9191
john.stanford@moorestephens.com
John is a Director within the Moore Stephens Governance, Risk and Assurance (GRA) group with
a specific focus on Business Transformation, IT Change Assurance and Programme Management.
He heads up the consulting Services function with teams working on programmes in Europe,
Africa and the Middle East. Previous experience within Moore Stephens included the role of
Delivery Director for Moore Stephens Consulting with responsibility for software delivery across
the application development and business intelligence teams.
John is a certified DSDM Practitioner and remains a hands-on project manager and project
consultant with a track record of delivery across a number of business sector, both private and
public.
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27. MERRYCK
LOWE
Partner
+44 (0)20 7651 1766
merryck.lowe@moorestephens.com
Merryck has 25 years’ experience as both an adviser on corporate transactions, investigations and disputes, and as an expert in
the course of legal proceedings. He has advised in relation to matters conducted under international arbitration and litigation
in the UK, Europe and the USA and in connection with regulatory breaches (including financial services and competition law).
He has extensive expert witness reporting and testimony experience, before UK Courts and International Arbitration Tribunals
in France, Germany and the United States.
He has been engaged in cases involving parties from across the globe from the West and East Coasts of the USA, across
Northern, Central and Eastern Europe (Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, France, Germany, Switzerland, Czech Republic amongst
others) under LCIA and ICC rules.
His arbitration expertise is extensive, including some well publicized and a number of confidential and sensitive disputes,
amongst them Agfa Gevaert (a Belgium German multinational) v AgfaPhoto Holding GmbH and AgfaPhoto GmbH, a series of
arbitrations under the Rules of the International Chamber of Commerce (ICC) held in Frankfurt, under Swiss and German Law.
Merryck graduated with 1st class Honors in Physics from Oxford University and is a Fellow of the Institute of Chartered
Accountants in England and Wales, originally qualifying and obtaining his audit qualification with Price Waterhouse (now PwC).
Merryck is past President of the Institute of Chartered Accountants in the English Region of West Yorkshire and is a current
member of the London Society of Chartered Accountants’ management committee.
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28. KEVIN
PHILLIPS
Partner
+44 (0)20 7334 9191
kevin.phillips@moorestephens.com
Kevin is a partner in the Moore Stephens Business Tax team. He has nearly 30 years' experience
in corporate tax, the last 12 specializing exclusively in international tax. Kevin works across a wide
range of industries, the key tax issues typically being more dependent on the territories involved
than the specific industry. He does however, have particular experience of the energy, mining
and renewables sector.
Kevin's work includes the tax-efficient structuring and financing of both overseas operations of
UK companies, and UK operations of foreign multinationals. His clients have included a number
of large, listed UK companies, as well as the UK subsidiaries of listed US companies.
Kevin is a regular presenter at seminars and has also appeared on television and been quoted in
the press on international tax matters. He also regularly contributes letters and articles on topical
international tax developments to various professional journals.
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29. NICK
WARNER
Partner
VAT
+44 (0)20 7334 9191
nick.warner@moorestephens.com
Nick is a VAT specialist in Moore Stephens with a particular focus on the insurance sector. He has
worked in VAT for over 25 years, including five years each at Guardian Royal Exchange (now part
of Axa) and Zurich Insurance.
Nick is a recognized specialist in insurance, advising household name insurers, brokers and
outsourcers on all matters to do with VAT and Insurance Premium Tax (IPT). He also has wide
experience in the real estate sector, particularly care homes, and in hotels and leisure.
He is a member of the Chartered Institute of Tax, and part of HM Treasury’s VAT and Financial
Services stakeholder group. He regularly writes and lectures on VAT and IPT issues in the
Insurance sector.
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Editor's Notes
MARK FAGAN WILL KICK OFF
Good morning, and welcome to our Webinar –
This is the first in a series of webinars we are giving to help business owners understand how and when Brexit will affect doing business in the UK and beyond.
The webinar is a collaboration between Citrin Cooperman and Moore Stephens, our International Association who we work with constantly on many joint projects and clients.
MARK FAGAN
Todays panel – I will be moderating the panel of 4 experts from the Moore Stephens London office. All are heavily involved in understanding and consulting with their clients as they navigate BREXIT. They are…
John Stanford, a Director within the Moore Stephens Governance, Risk and Assurance group with a specific focus on Business Transformation, IT Change Assurance and Programme Management.
Kevin Phillips, a partner in the Moore Stephens Business Tax team. Specializing over the last dozen years exclusively in international tax. Kevin's work includes the tax-efficient structuring and financing of both overseas operations of UK companies, and UK operations of foreign multinationals.
Nick Warner, a VAT specialist with over 25 years of experience with VAT. Nick has a particular focus on the insurance sector, and also has a wide experience in the real estate sector, particularly care homes, and in hotels and leisure.
Merryck Lowe, Merryck is a partner and focuses on expert witness evidence, specialist investigations, regulatory and competition disputes, transaction disputes, pre- and post-transaction reviews, valuations, investigation of alleged fraud and expert determination.
MARK FAGAN
This slide and the next show some views on Brexit.
The first from Theresa May, the Prime Minister is interesting. Almost needed to re-affirm – yes, Brexit happened, and we are going to do it. But there is a lot of confusion right now as far as what is happening?
And Damian Ryan notes, from a practical matter, the UK isn’t going away, so how will commerce change?
MARK FAGAN
Here are a few more.
One thing is for sure – the opinions are as varied as the path of Brexit. Today, and in this series, we hope to keep you informed as the path becomes more clear.
MARK FAGAN
So here are the objectives of today’s webinar. First, for our audience in the States, we will refresh your memory on Brexit, then we will have an overview and status, of Brexit as we know it now.
So lets get right to it.
What is the EU?
The European Union - often known as the EU - is an economic and political partnership involving 28 European countries. It began after World War Two to foster economic co-operation and frankly, to help prevent another World War. It has since grown to become a "single market" which allows goods and people to move around, basically as if the member states were one country. It has its own currency, the euro, which is used by 19 of the member countries, its own parliament and it now sets rules in a wide range of areas - including on the environment, transport, consumer rights and even things such as mobile phone charges.
Brexit talks are under way
They finally, officially, started on 19 June, 2017. Here's a picture from that first session:
The UK and EU negotiating teams meet face-to-face for one week each month. Their first tasks are trying to get an agreement on the rights of UK and EU citizens after Brexit, reaching a figure for the amount of money the UK will need to pay on leaving, the so-called "divorce bill", and what happens to the Northern Ireland border.
Who are the players:
For the UK:
Theresa May, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. Her June 8 snap election, which left her without a majority in the House of Commons, has raised doubts over whether she will even be able to see the two-year process through. She will not take part in day-to-day negotiations but is expected to set Britain’s approach and have the final say on any compromises or concessions.
David Davis – The Brexit Secretary will lead negotiations for the U. K.
For the EU:
Me – Shell Barney-ay -- The European Commission chief negotiator will be across the table from Mr. Davis. He has been given a mandate by the leaders of the remaining EU27 states to focus initially on the 3 key elements of the withdrawal package I just mentioned.
MARK FAGAN
So John why don’t you take us through the overview.
23 June 2016 – Decision to leave the European Union
Last year’s referendum was a simple ‘Yes/No’ question for what was arguably the most complex political problem of our generation. Setting aside the over-simplification of the issue, let’s consider the impact of the decision and gain an understand of the what we are leaving and what we need to replace
But what is the European Union?
Single market of (currently) 28 countries – grown from the original members over the past 40 years.
Based on 4 underlying principles, the fundamental freedoms of movement
Goods; Services; People; Capital
European Court of Justice (ECJ) has authority of member states – this provides an overarching authority regarding the laws governing the 4 principles
As a result of being part of the EU we have:
Customs union (allowing tariff-free goods and services) – in other words, good received into, or initiated within, an EU country are not subject to additional tariff when moved from one EU country to another.
Passporting of financial services – this includes recognizing the qualifications of industry professionals and the standards they use such that services can be provided cross-border without further control or authorisation
Right to work in any EU state – this focuses on the right to move freely across borders knowing that there is a retention of human rights and workers rights with a consistency in which such rights are applied
So, since the June 16 referendum the next step was to kick-start the formal exit process – which the government did in March this year. Under the Lisbon Treaty, the UK triggered Article 50 which started this 2-year process.
The EU Council then agreed the terms under which the discussions are to take place
Part of this involved the pre-conditions that needed to be met before formal negotiations could start. These preconditions include Citizens Rights, the Irish Border and the Cost of Exit (the Divorce Bill)
Assuming this is agreed at the end of this year, that leaves us 10 months to perform negotiations across all the complex areas of withdrawal from the EU. We then have to provide the full deal to the EU Parliament in Oct 18
Parliament and the EU Council will then agree the terms through the Ratification process
If all is ok the UK Government presents the Bill to the UK Parliament in March 2019 at which point it will signify the end of the process (if agreed).
MARK QUESTION TO JOHN – How does it pass thru Parliament – simple majority or something else?
The UK then exits the EU on these terms
MARK QUESTION TO MERRYCK – What happens if they don’t finish by March of 2019 - can they extend the 2 year time period and would they?
MARK QUESTION TO MERRYCK – Could members of Parliament block an EU exit?
Citizens Rights
The requirement to look at the rights of 3 million EU citizens living and working in the UK plus 1 million UK citizens in the EU. Main issues involve the agreement to allow ‘extended families’ to assume the same rights and enshrining EU law into UK law (Direct Effect) – the problem being that UK citizens could end up with less rights than EU citizens in the UK.
Irish Border
The issue of allowing frictionless trade via the landbridge between Northern Ireland and the Republic (the only one between the UK and Europe). The current arrangements have helped to ease the difficulties across the Irish border, there is no desire to return to the days of suspicion and isolation.
MARK QUESTION TO KEVIN – Will passports be needed to travel into Northern Ireland?
MARK QUESTION TO KEVIN – What about Scotland – they actually voted to stay in the EU.
Divorce Bill
EU estimates that UK owes $37bn in budget commitments (RAL) on top of $23bn Theresa May offered as part of 2-year transition deal
MARK QUESTION TO JOHN – What goes into calculating the Divorce Bill? In other words, what will this money be used for?
Mr Barnier first called for his existing negotiating “guidelines”, which rule out transition talks, to be relaxed last Friday and despite having the support of “almost all” countries he was firmly rebuffed by Germany, France and Romania in a decision that requires the consensus of all EU 27 governments.
Brexit Impact Studies were being performed at the end of 2016. Since then the Government has steadfastly refused to publish these reports
Taking a look at the various options:
Remaining within the EU – all conditions met
Norway option – EEA Membership
Full access retained with the EU regarding the 4 guiding principles, but with a reduced bill – on the basis that Norway has to accept all EU rulings. Ie no say in due process.
Swiss Option – EFTA Membership
Focuses on the movement of goods and people but there is no access to movement of services. Therefore, not constrained by regulations but does not allow for passporting of financial services
Turkish option – customs union
Accepts EU treaties but cannot create new laws without EU agreement
New laws to parallel the EU
Accepting of ECJ rulings
Opens Turkey up to import of EU goods – arguably with a higher level of quality than their own.
MARK QUESTION TO JOHN – What’s going to happen to all the EU laws in force in the UK?
MARK QUESTION TO JOHN (if necessary) – What happens if there is no deal with the EU?
MARK QUESTION TO NICK – What type of Brexit is the business community hoping for?
MARK QUESTION TO NICK – What is the Labour party’s position on Brexit?
MARK QUESTION – How could Brexit affect company operations?
Merryck – can you give examples of the impact on people?
John – can you give examples of the impact on goods?
MARK QUESTION TO NICK – So Nick, how does this movement effect businesses pre- vs. post-Brexit as it relates to customs and duties?
MARK QUESTION TO KEVIN – We’re now getting into structure, finance and tax – but what’s interesting is besides the pound deteriorating since Brexit, the UK’s economy has done quite well hasn’t it Kevin? Are you surprised?
MARK QUESTION TO KEVIN – So in addition to VAT and customs, Brexit will have an impact on corporate and withholding taxes. Kevin, how are you advising your clients at this point?
Link to UK/US tax treaty
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/507431/usa-consolidated_-_in_force.pdf
MARK QUESTION TO MERRYCK – Currently there is 1.2M UK citizens living elsewhere in the EU and 3.1M EU citizens living in the UK. Merryck, what’s going to happen to all these people?
MARK QUESTION TO MERRYCK – Will UK citizens need VISA’s to move around the EU?
MARK QUESTION – Will the UK be able to rejoin the EU in the future?