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Mismatched understandings? 
Findings from a study of vulnerability 
Kate Brown
Vulnerability and young people 
What it’s not about… 
How to measure 
vulnerability, how to 
recognise or ‘cure’ it etc. 
Instead: 
Exploring ideas about 
vulnerability from 
different perspectives 
Key points/questions for 
consideration
Why vulnerability? 
Interest from work with ‘sexually exploited’ YP 
Lyndsay – grew up in care, selling 
sex and using heroin since 12 
(2004): 
“some kids get left out of being 
seen as victims. They don’t seem 
vulnerable, but just because they 
don’t seem vulnerable, doesn’t 
mean they aren’t.”
Older children in need often present as ‘badly behaved’; 
whether in trouble with the criminal justice system, abusing 
drugs or alcohol, going missing, truanting, self-harming, or in 
other ways [….] this can mask their vulnerability, and lead 
professionals to ‘blame’ or judge children… 
(House of Commons Education 
Committee, 2012: 34)
Quick outline of the study 
25 interviews with ‘vulnerable’ young people 
(intensive support, aged 12-18) 
15 interviews with professionals 
(commissioners, managers, ‘front line’ workers) 
Sampling - Young women and young men, 12-18 years old, 
7/25 BME YP, range of vulnerabilities, and half young 
people were ‘troublesome’
‘Peter Schmeichel’ 
Aged 16
Jade 
Aged 17
Relevant Findings 
Official understandings of vulnerability and idea of 
‘vulnerable groups’ 
Vulnerability and ‘difficult behaviour’ - closely linked 
Young people’s perceptions of vulnerability very 
different to ‘official’ views 
Young people’s ideas about addressing vulnerability 
(resilience)
The view from professionals: ‘vulnerability’ differed according 
to personal judgements and setting 
… differences in people’s levels of acceptability (ASB worker) 
A number of government initiatives have used vulnerability in a 
different way and that's reflected in the local authority structure 
and the result is a lot of debate and confusion around where 
boundary lines are drawn around vulnerability (Commissioner, 
City Council) 
Discretion important, so practices are 
more plasticine than they seem – difficult 
to research?
Which young 
people are 
‘vulnerable’? 
Vulnerable group or circumstances No. of informants 
‘Sexually exploited’ young women* 9 
Parental abuse/neglect/poor parenting 7 
Drug and alcohol use* 6 
Homeless/poorly housed 6 
Offending behaviour/ getting ‘in trouble’* 6 
Parental drug/alcohol use 5 
Parental domestic violence 5 
Looked after children 4 
Not achieving at school 4 
Mental health issues 4 
Learning difficulties 3 
Gypsy and traveller young people 3 
Significant health problems 3 
Parents who offend 3 
Young carers 3 
English as second language 3 
Disabled young people 2 
Asylum seekers and refugees 2 
Those who run away* 2 
Living in poverty 2 
Self-harm* 2 
BME backgrounds 2 
Parents with mental health issues 2 
NEET* 2
Adversity packages 
Difficult lives, multiple disadvantage… 
Family problems? Or wider structures and systems: 
… it would be about when I were just turning fifteen. My Mum were 
with a really good mate of hers, a bloke, and I got touched by him, so 
and he got took to thingy and that when I were younger… To t’police 
and then nowt come of it (Jay Jay, M, 17) 
In the end I ended up running away and being homeless and they 
wouldn’t find me anywhere else to live because I was getting bullied 
this children’s home (Alicia, F, 16) 
When you’ve got money, like, everything seems to be fine, there’s, like, 
no stress to lead to family arguments or things like that (Hayley, F, 16)
Which young 
people are 
‘vulnerable’? 
Vulnerable group or circumstances No. of informants 
‘Sexually exploited’ young women* 9 
Parental abuse/neglect/poor parenting 7 
Drug and alcohol use* 6 
Homeless/poorly housed 6 
Offending behaviour/ getting ‘in trouble’* 6 
Parental drug/alcohol use 5 
Parental domestic violence 5 
Looked after children 4 
Not achieving at school 4 
Mental health issues 4 
Learning difficulties 3 
Gypsy and traveller young people 3 
Significant health problems 3 
Parents who offend 3 
Young carers 3 
English as second language 3 
Disabled young people 2 
Asylum seekers and refugees 2 
Those who run away* 2 
Living in poverty 2 
Self-harm* 2 
BME backgrounds 2 
Parents with mental health issues 2 
NEET* 2
‘Poor behaviour’ and vulnerability 
Jess (15): 
In 2009, I was abused by my Dad and that was when I got my social 
worker. They tried to get me a foster home, but because I didn’t want 
to stay there, my behaviour got bad. That’s when I was selling sex. 
Scott (18): 
I've got big scars on my arms and that where I've been attacked with 
knives and stuff because, I don't know, I've been in [housing estate] and 
I've been on my own and I’ve still looked for a fight. I don't know, I like 
being on the floor getting booted in the head sometimes 
Vulnerable young people often not ‘weak’, deferent, ‘innocent victims’ 
Link between behaviour and social and economic circumstances
‘Poor behaviour’ and vulnerability 
... poor behaviour and vulnerability is absolutely the hardest 
thing to deal with. Without question. If you’re vulnerable and 
you’re compliant... you know… vulnerable and awkward is a 
totally different ball game. (Commissioner, City Council) 
Rarely recognised in policy? – YP 
imagined as ‘vulnerable victims’ or 
‘dangerous wrong-doers’
More about performance 
than circumstance? 
Vulnerable when demonstrated… 
“Compliance” 
“engagement” 
“motivation for change” 
being forthcoming with details 
... if someone’s lived at home and they’re just being naughty and they keep 
going into prison, we wouldn’t say that’s vulnerability – that’s just them 
they’re not abiding by the rules and they just think it’s a joke and they think 
it’s a game… (Manager, Housing Service) 
Ideas about ‘vulnerability’ lead to exclusion of ‘most vulnerable’? 
How far do services “Cherry-pick the easy to engage”? (Social Care 
Manager) especially in times of limited resources and competition
… aggression sometimes from young, 
15 or 16 [year old]... big lads coming in 
can sort of make you look at them 
differently. It shouldn’t do but it can. 
(Manager, Education Service) 
I don’t think I’ve ever heard of someone 
saying ‘he’s a vulnerable lad’ ever, but 
I’ve heard loads and loads of people say 
‘oh, she’s a vulnerable girl’ and all this 
(Alicia) 
See also Cramer (2005) and Passaro 
(1996) - vulnerability, gender, housing 
How does 
gender fit?
Young people’s views of vulnerability 
Kate: What about if workers said that you were 
vulnerable? 
Charlie: I'd tell them to shut up. 
Kate: Why? 
Charlie: 'Cos I'm not vulnerable. They just chat a load of 
shit. […] I think I'm doing well for myself, and if [Social 
Worker] just said that I was vulnerable, then it'd make me 
feel like I'm doing loads of things I shouldn't be.
More about resistance 
Not all resistant, and not always, past and future 
was different 
Different views of situations, relative responses 
Tensions: family loyalty, acceptable behaviour, 
‘nosiness’, clashes over independence
Chris (17) “Absolutely not vulnerable at all…” 
People have even more difficulties than me. This 
might not be such a big thing. I've seen other 
people have more difficulties even worser than 
these. Yeah it's difficult, but not difficult 
difficult, I’d say.
Wadren (17): … they were basically blaming my 
Mum so… which made me lose my temper. 
Jess (15): [Social Worker] helped by putting me in 
care, but she didn’t really help me ‘cos I’m not 
allowed to go out by myself ‘cos I put myself in too 
much risk. 
Brook (16): Basically, he [YOS Worker] wanted to 
know the ins and outs of a cat's arse. He wanted to 
know everything. Things that he didn't need to 
know, he just wanted to know.
Mismatched understandings 
Responded to the idea of a ‘difficult life’, but most YP 
were resistant to vulnerability classifications 
Raises questions… 
How far young people’s understandings subjugated? 
Legitimacy of classification systems used in practice and 
research? Further work needed on young people’s 
classifications/assessments?
Views on resilience 
Friends, family, informal 
networks – varied. 
Where limited family/friends, 
services very significant: 
Timeliness 
Trust/‘being taken seriously’ 
Short term interventions and 
struggles with transition 
Limitations of speaking 
interventions – action! 
What do factors have in 
common?
A mixed bag of conclusions 
More questions than answers… 
Some suggestions for further reflection: 
• Adversity packages 
• ‘Difficult’ behaviour and vulnerability 
• Line between family and society 
• Gender expectations and intervention patterns 
• Austerity, outcome pressures and cherry picking? 
• YP don’t see lives as ‘problematic’ in same way as 
professionals/policy-makers 
• Legitimacy of services and interventions 
• Specialism/multi-agency working – research/practice 
approach designed to suit adults? 
• Relationship with workers 
• Importance of time

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Kate Brown - Challenging Circumstances Presentation

  • 1. Mismatched understandings? Findings from a study of vulnerability Kate Brown
  • 2. Vulnerability and young people What it’s not about… How to measure vulnerability, how to recognise or ‘cure’ it etc. Instead: Exploring ideas about vulnerability from different perspectives Key points/questions for consideration
  • 3. Why vulnerability? Interest from work with ‘sexually exploited’ YP Lyndsay – grew up in care, selling sex and using heroin since 12 (2004): “some kids get left out of being seen as victims. They don’t seem vulnerable, but just because they don’t seem vulnerable, doesn’t mean they aren’t.”
  • 4. Older children in need often present as ‘badly behaved’; whether in trouble with the criminal justice system, abusing drugs or alcohol, going missing, truanting, self-harming, or in other ways [….] this can mask their vulnerability, and lead professionals to ‘blame’ or judge children… (House of Commons Education Committee, 2012: 34)
  • 5. Quick outline of the study 25 interviews with ‘vulnerable’ young people (intensive support, aged 12-18) 15 interviews with professionals (commissioners, managers, ‘front line’ workers) Sampling - Young women and young men, 12-18 years old, 7/25 BME YP, range of vulnerabilities, and half young people were ‘troublesome’
  • 8. Relevant Findings Official understandings of vulnerability and idea of ‘vulnerable groups’ Vulnerability and ‘difficult behaviour’ - closely linked Young people’s perceptions of vulnerability very different to ‘official’ views Young people’s ideas about addressing vulnerability (resilience)
  • 9. The view from professionals: ‘vulnerability’ differed according to personal judgements and setting … differences in people’s levels of acceptability (ASB worker) A number of government initiatives have used vulnerability in a different way and that's reflected in the local authority structure and the result is a lot of debate and confusion around where boundary lines are drawn around vulnerability (Commissioner, City Council) Discretion important, so practices are more plasticine than they seem – difficult to research?
  • 10. Which young people are ‘vulnerable’? Vulnerable group or circumstances No. of informants ‘Sexually exploited’ young women* 9 Parental abuse/neglect/poor parenting 7 Drug and alcohol use* 6 Homeless/poorly housed 6 Offending behaviour/ getting ‘in trouble’* 6 Parental drug/alcohol use 5 Parental domestic violence 5 Looked after children 4 Not achieving at school 4 Mental health issues 4 Learning difficulties 3 Gypsy and traveller young people 3 Significant health problems 3 Parents who offend 3 Young carers 3 English as second language 3 Disabled young people 2 Asylum seekers and refugees 2 Those who run away* 2 Living in poverty 2 Self-harm* 2 BME backgrounds 2 Parents with mental health issues 2 NEET* 2
  • 11. Adversity packages Difficult lives, multiple disadvantage… Family problems? Or wider structures and systems: … it would be about when I were just turning fifteen. My Mum were with a really good mate of hers, a bloke, and I got touched by him, so and he got took to thingy and that when I were younger… To t’police and then nowt come of it (Jay Jay, M, 17) In the end I ended up running away and being homeless and they wouldn’t find me anywhere else to live because I was getting bullied this children’s home (Alicia, F, 16) When you’ve got money, like, everything seems to be fine, there’s, like, no stress to lead to family arguments or things like that (Hayley, F, 16)
  • 12. Which young people are ‘vulnerable’? Vulnerable group or circumstances No. of informants ‘Sexually exploited’ young women* 9 Parental abuse/neglect/poor parenting 7 Drug and alcohol use* 6 Homeless/poorly housed 6 Offending behaviour/ getting ‘in trouble’* 6 Parental drug/alcohol use 5 Parental domestic violence 5 Looked after children 4 Not achieving at school 4 Mental health issues 4 Learning difficulties 3 Gypsy and traveller young people 3 Significant health problems 3 Parents who offend 3 Young carers 3 English as second language 3 Disabled young people 2 Asylum seekers and refugees 2 Those who run away* 2 Living in poverty 2 Self-harm* 2 BME backgrounds 2 Parents with mental health issues 2 NEET* 2
  • 13. ‘Poor behaviour’ and vulnerability Jess (15): In 2009, I was abused by my Dad and that was when I got my social worker. They tried to get me a foster home, but because I didn’t want to stay there, my behaviour got bad. That’s when I was selling sex. Scott (18): I've got big scars on my arms and that where I've been attacked with knives and stuff because, I don't know, I've been in [housing estate] and I've been on my own and I’ve still looked for a fight. I don't know, I like being on the floor getting booted in the head sometimes Vulnerable young people often not ‘weak’, deferent, ‘innocent victims’ Link between behaviour and social and economic circumstances
  • 14. ‘Poor behaviour’ and vulnerability ... poor behaviour and vulnerability is absolutely the hardest thing to deal with. Without question. If you’re vulnerable and you’re compliant... you know… vulnerable and awkward is a totally different ball game. (Commissioner, City Council) Rarely recognised in policy? – YP imagined as ‘vulnerable victims’ or ‘dangerous wrong-doers’
  • 15. More about performance than circumstance? Vulnerable when demonstrated… “Compliance” “engagement” “motivation for change” being forthcoming with details ... if someone’s lived at home and they’re just being naughty and they keep going into prison, we wouldn’t say that’s vulnerability – that’s just them they’re not abiding by the rules and they just think it’s a joke and they think it’s a game… (Manager, Housing Service) Ideas about ‘vulnerability’ lead to exclusion of ‘most vulnerable’? How far do services “Cherry-pick the easy to engage”? (Social Care Manager) especially in times of limited resources and competition
  • 16. … aggression sometimes from young, 15 or 16 [year old]... big lads coming in can sort of make you look at them differently. It shouldn’t do but it can. (Manager, Education Service) I don’t think I’ve ever heard of someone saying ‘he’s a vulnerable lad’ ever, but I’ve heard loads and loads of people say ‘oh, she’s a vulnerable girl’ and all this (Alicia) See also Cramer (2005) and Passaro (1996) - vulnerability, gender, housing How does gender fit?
  • 17. Young people’s views of vulnerability Kate: What about if workers said that you were vulnerable? Charlie: I'd tell them to shut up. Kate: Why? Charlie: 'Cos I'm not vulnerable. They just chat a load of shit. […] I think I'm doing well for myself, and if [Social Worker] just said that I was vulnerable, then it'd make me feel like I'm doing loads of things I shouldn't be.
  • 18. More about resistance Not all resistant, and not always, past and future was different Different views of situations, relative responses Tensions: family loyalty, acceptable behaviour, ‘nosiness’, clashes over independence
  • 19. Chris (17) “Absolutely not vulnerable at all…” People have even more difficulties than me. This might not be such a big thing. I've seen other people have more difficulties even worser than these. Yeah it's difficult, but not difficult difficult, I’d say.
  • 20. Wadren (17): … they were basically blaming my Mum so… which made me lose my temper. Jess (15): [Social Worker] helped by putting me in care, but she didn’t really help me ‘cos I’m not allowed to go out by myself ‘cos I put myself in too much risk. Brook (16): Basically, he [YOS Worker] wanted to know the ins and outs of a cat's arse. He wanted to know everything. Things that he didn't need to know, he just wanted to know.
  • 21. Mismatched understandings Responded to the idea of a ‘difficult life’, but most YP were resistant to vulnerability classifications Raises questions… How far young people’s understandings subjugated? Legitimacy of classification systems used in practice and research? Further work needed on young people’s classifications/assessments?
  • 22. Views on resilience Friends, family, informal networks – varied. Where limited family/friends, services very significant: Timeliness Trust/‘being taken seriously’ Short term interventions and struggles with transition Limitations of speaking interventions – action! What do factors have in common?
  • 23. A mixed bag of conclusions More questions than answers… Some suggestions for further reflection: • Adversity packages • ‘Difficult’ behaviour and vulnerability • Line between family and society • Gender expectations and intervention patterns • Austerity, outcome pressures and cherry picking? • YP don’t see lives as ‘problematic’ in same way as professionals/policy-makers • Legitimacy of services and interventions • Specialism/multi-agency working – research/practice approach designed to suit adults? • Relationship with workers • Importance of time

Editor's Notes

  1. Introduce what I am going to do - bacdound about why interested and methods, then findings. Different perspectives Background about the project, then findings
  2. Lyndsay was 20. 2004 conference which Jo was speaking at. Often the worst behaved are the most vulnerable Deservingness and how vulnerability linked with it… continued to interest me See that same issue recurring again and again – Rochdale - ‘vulnerable’ whilst others saw them as ‘prostitutes’
  3. Older children one of two ‘most vulnerable’ groups – other babies. Use Rochdale as case example Practitioners and lead managers were raising this problem - largely connected to Same concern as Lyndsay of course….
  4. Mentions methods and say more about
  5. Mentions methods and say more about
  6. (…even in formal systems) Having said that there was some tacit agreement
  7. Agreement but also divergence - remember to flag the stars
  8. Agreement but also divergence - remember to flag the stars
  9. Highlight that policy out of touch with practice in this respect – tensions which practitioners responded to in a range of ways, without boundaries of ‘official’ strategies
  10. … young people’s attitudes do shape professional’s responses, perhaps more than they should actually (Retired Commissioner) If you closed your eyes and think about a vulnerable client – how many think of boys and how many of girls?
  11. Also mention YOS manager’s comments
  12. Often rela
  13. Chris (M, 17) had been taken against his will to Pakistan, where he lived for 6 years and was regularly beaten by his uncle. He had also fled from his abusive father in the UK, been homeless for a period and had recently secured his own tenancy.
  14. Brook said that her YOS worker was a “bastard”