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Coclico project - Forges Interoperability (OWF 2010)
The document discusses issues with software forges including lock-in effects from hosting sites. It notes there is still too much lock-in between forges and hosting sites, which creates problems for migration of projects and data. The document advocates for more interoperability and freedom of choice between forges through open standards to reduce lock-in effects. It references opinions from experts like Eric Raymond, Jesse Vincent, and Eben Moglen about the importance of users owning their tools and data. The goal is to reinforce open source development communities by making forges more interoperable and reducing barriers to moving projects and data between sites.
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- 1. COCLICO project- OWF 2010 Olivier Berger, Telecom SudParis COCLICO project - OWF 2010 Introduction Foreword About COCLICO Issues Still too much lock-in Freedom vs Olivier Berger, Telecom SudParis Hosted Who cares ? Forge proliferation Eorts More Friday 01/10/2010 exchanges of code Data portability Linked Open Social Web Interoperability PlanetForge
- 2. Who's gonna tweethere ? COCLICO project - OWF 2010 Olivier Berger, Telecom SudParis Introduction Foreword About COCLICO Issues Still too much lock-in Freedom vs Hosted !planetforge Who cares ? Forge http://identi.ca/group/planetforge proliferation Eorts More exchanges of code Data portability Linked Open Social Web Interoperability PlanetForge
- 3. Who's tweeting now COCLICO project - OWF 2010 Olivier Berger, Telecom SudParis ˆ Institut TELECOM / TELECOM SudParis / Computer Science dept. / PFTCR team Introduction Foreword ˆ 2 perm. sta Christian BAC and myself About COCLICO ˆ 2 PhD students Issues ˆ 2 non permanent research engineers Still too much lock-in Freedom vs ˆ Research on collaborative development Hosted Who cares ? platforms, tools, process, in FLOSS Forge proliferation communities Eorts ˆ Previously worked in service companies (Cap More exchanges of Gemini, IDEALX) code Data ˆ At TELECOM SudParis since 2002 portability Linked Open ˆ RD on FLOSS, forges, bugtracking, Linked Social Web Data, etc. (CALIBRE, HELIOS, COCLICO) Interoperability PlanetForge ˆ Contributor to Debian, FusionForge, Mantis
- 4. About COCLICO COCLICO project - OWF 2010 Olivier Berger, Telecom SudParis Introduction Foreword About COCLICO Issues Still too much lock-in Freedom vs Hosted Who cares ? Forge http://www.coclico-project.org/ proliferation Eorts More exchanges of The Coclico project aims to reinforce software forges code communities by structuring an open source ecosystem Data portability for which a critical mass exists in France. Linked Open Social Web Interoperability PlanetForge
- 5. About COCLICO COCLICO project - OWF 2010 Olivier Berger, Funding programme Telecom SudParis Introduction ˆ French collaborative RD cluster programmes Foreword About ˆ System@tic Paris Region COCLICO Issues Still too much lock-in Freedom vs Hosted Who cares ? ˆ Minalogic Grenoble Region Forge proliferation Eorts More exchanges of code Data portability Linked Open ˆ Public funding (partial) Social Web Interoperability ˆ 2 years (2009-2011) (mid-term now) PlanetForge
- 6. About COCLICO COCLICO project - OWF 2010 Olivier Berger, Project consortium Telecom SudParis ˆ 9 Participants in Paris and Grenoble mainly Introduction ˆ Industry : Foreword ˆ Bull, About COCLICO ˆ Orange Labs, ˆ Xerox Issues Still too much lock-in Freedom vs Hosted ˆ SMEs : Who cares ? ˆ CELI France, Forge proliferation ˆ Bearstech, Eorts More ˆ Gnurandal (via Xerox), exchanges of ˆ Objet Direct code Data ˆ Academia : portability ˆ INRIA, Linked Open ˆ Institut TELECOM / Telecom Sud Paris Social Web Interoperability ˆ Strong focus on Open Source PlanetForge (should always be natural with public funding ?)
- 7. COCLICO Project's goals COCLICO project - OWF 2010 Olivier Berger, Telecom SudParis ˆ Re-dynamization of the Open Source development Introduction Foreword community around open source historic forge code base About COCLICO (FusionForge and Codendi) Issues Still too much ˆ Denition of an open integration model lock-in Freedom vs Hosted ˆ Data integrity and condentiality Who cares ? Forge proliferation ˆ Exchange of data in real-time between various forges Eorts More ˆ Features for industrial use and quality assurance exchanges of code ˆ traceability of information, Data portability ˆ support of software engineering methodologies, Linked Open ˆ interaction with the user's workstation. ˆ Social Web etc. Interoperability PlanetForge
- 8. Sharing some ideaswith you COCLICO project - OWF 2010 Olivier Berger, Telecom SudParis Introduction Foreword About COCLICO Issues Still too much lock-in Freedom vs Forges are great Hosted Who cares ? There are still some issues Forge proliferation Eorts More exchanges of code Data portability Linked Open Social Web Interoperability PlanetForge
- 9. My main concern COCLICO project - OWF 2010 Olivier Berger, Lock-in Telecom SudParis Introduction Foreword About COCLICO Issues ˆ There's still too much lock-in Still too much lock-in Freedom vs ˆ Even if not lock-in, too much entropy generated Hosted Who cares ? Forge ˆ Who's caring ? proliferation Eorts ˆ Since 2003 (CoopX initiative) More ... exchanges of code ˆ to 2010 (ongoing work) Data portability Linked Open Social Web Interoperability PlanetForge
- 10. ESR dixit : COCLICO project - OWF 2010 Olivier Berger, Telecom SudParis Three Systemic Problems with Introduction Foreword Open-Source Hosting Sites a About COCLICO Issues 1 Hosting Sites Are Data Still too much lock-in Jails Freedom vs Hosted Who cares ? 2 Hosting Sites have Poor Forge proliferation Scriptability Eorts 3 Hosting Sites Have More exchanges of Inadequate Support for code Immigration Data portability Eric (ESR) Raymond Linked Open a. http ://esr.ibiblio.org/ ?p=1282 Social Web Interoperability PlanetForge
- 11. Jesse Vincent dixit COCLICO project - OWF 2010 Olivier Berger, Telecom SudParis Introduction Foreword About If you don't own your tools, you're going to be in a COCLICO whole mess of trouble. Issues Still too much lock-in Freedom vs Hosted Who cares ? Forge Web 2.0 is Sharecropping proliferation a Eorts Conference (5') More exchanges of code a. http ://syncwith.us/talks Data portability Jesse (obra) Vincent Linked Open Social Web Interoperability PlanetForge
- 12. Moglen dixit COCLICO project - OWF 2010 Olivier Berger, Telecom SudParis ˆ Remember yesterday's keynote ? (if you missed it, watch Introduction the video bellow) Foreword About COCLICO ˆ What's the dierence between forge users and social Issues network sites users ? Still too much lock-in Freedom vs Hosted ˆ Cloud jail platforms vs. forge servers close to users Who cares ? Forge proliferation Eorts More exchanges of Freedom in the Cloud Conference code (1h) a Data portability a. http ://www.isoc-ny.org/ ?p=1338 Linked Open Social Web Interoperability Eben Moglen PlanetForge
- 13. Who cares ifmigration is COCLICO project - OWF 2010 Olivier Berger, Telecom impossible ? SudParis Introduction Foreword About COCLICO Issues Still too much lock-in Freedom vs Hosted Who cares ? Forge proliferation Eorts More exchanges of code Data portability Linked Open Social Web Interoperability PlanetForge
- 14. Excerpt from the COCLICO project - OWF 2010 Olivier Berger, DocumentFoundation / LibreOce FAQ Telecom SudParis Introduction Foreword About COCLICO Issues Still too much http ://www.documentfoundation.org/faq/ (sept. 30 2010) lock-in Freedom vs Hosted Who cares ? Q : Why are you building a new web infrastructure ? Forge proliferation A : Since Oracle's takeover of Sun Microsystems, the Eorts Community has been under notice to quit from our More exchanges of previous Collabnet infrastructure. With today's code announcement of a Foundation, we now have an Data portability entity which can own our emerging new infrastructure. Linked Open Social Web Interoperability PlanetForge
- 15. Is there aback door ? COCLICO project - OWF 2010 Olivier Berger, Telecom SudParis Introduction Foreword About COCLICO Issues Still too much lock-in Freedom vs Hosted Who cares ? Forge proliferation Eorts More exchanges of code Data portability Linked Open Social Web Interoperability ˆ PlanetForge G. Clooney in Nespresso commercial
- 16. Forge proliferation COCLICO project - OWF 2010 Olivier Berger, Telecom SudParis Introduction ˆ Services vs Software Foreword About COCLICO ˆ Services Issues ˆ list your own Still too much lock-in ˆ Software Freedom vs Hosted ˆ list your own Who cares ? Forge proliferation ˆ Choosing a tool or service at project start Eorts More ˆ Later changes ? exchanges of ˆ code Proliferation is great, but repeating errors of the past is not Data portability ˆ Preserve developers freedom Linked Open Social Web Interoperability PlanetForge
- 17. COCLICO context COCLICO project - OWF 2010 Olivier Berger, Our eorts Telecom SudParis ˆ Not reinventing yet another forge Introduction Foreword Venerable forges with circa 2000 PHP codebase About COCLICO ˆ Interoperability - import/export toolbox Issues Still too much ˆ From legacy forges to modern lock-in Freedom vs Hosted Migration path : towards more REST APIs, more RDF Who cares ? Forge extensible representation formats, more Linked Data, proliferation Eorts supporting new tools (CI, tests, Eclipse, etc.) More exchanges of code ˆ Raising awareness Data ˆ Sharing experience in a community (PlanetForge, see portability bellow) Linked Open Social Web Interoperability ˆ More details : ongoing work, soon on PlanetForge wiki (or PlanetForge ask us on planetforge discussion list)
- 18. Re-boosting FusionForge COCLICO project - OWF 2010 Olivier Berger, Telecom SudParis Introduction Foreword About COCLICO Issues Still too much lock-in Freedom vs Hosted Who cares ? Forge proliferation Eorts More exchanges of code Data portability Linked Open Social Web Source : Roland Mas (RMLL 2010) Interoperability PlanetForge
- 19. Data portability COCLICO project - OWF 2010 Olivier Berger, Interesting initiative Telecom SudParis Introduction Foreword About COCLICO Issues Still too much ˆ http ://DataPortability.org/ ? lock-in Freedom vs Hosted ˆ Not sure the right place for Forge data portability Who cares ? Forge discussions proliferation Eorts ˆ Looking forward for learning more from them More ˆ exchanges of code Contacts welcome Data portability Linked Open Social Web Interoperability PlanetForge
- 20. Forgeplucker COCLICO project - OWF 2010 Olivier Berger, Telecom SudParis Introduction ˆ ForgePlucker (by ESR) is interesting Foreword About COCLICO ˆ There's code, but still alot of work (and improvements to Issues Still too much make) lock-in Freedom vs Hosted ˆ Our plan : improve forgeplucker to produce an Export / Who cares ? Forge Import toolbox (COCLICO WP2) proliferation Eorts More ˆ Towards a standard forge project dump format (RDF, exchanges of ontologies, . . . ) code Data ˆ Based on same core standards as for dynamic portability interoperability (OSLC) Linked Open Social Web Interoperability PlanetForge
- 21. Linked Open Data COCLICO project - OWF 2010 Olivier Berger, (Public) Development artifacts part of Web 3.0 ? Telecom SudParis Introduction Foreword About COCLICO Issues Still too much lock-in Freedom vs Hosted Who cares ? Forge proliferation Eorts More exchanges of code Data portability Linked Open Social Web Interoperability PlanetForge Source : http ://linkeddata.org/
- 22. Forge artifacts/tools ontology COCLICO project - OWF 2010 Olivier Berger, Telecom SudParis Introduction Foreword About COCLICO Issues Still too much lock-in Freedom vs Hosted Who cares ? Forge proliferation Eorts More exchanges of code Data portability Linked Open Social Web Interoperability PlanetForge https://forge.projet-coclico.org/plugins/mediawiki/ wiki/wp2/index.php/Forge_Ontology_Proposal
- 23. Forge vs. SocialWeb COCLICO project - OWF 2010 Olivier Berger, Telecom SudParis ˆ From SVN to Git Introduction Foreword ˆ From Bugzilla to SD About COCLICO Issues ˆ From Facebook to Diaspora Still too much lock-in Freedom vs ˆ From Cloud to FreedomBox Hosted Who cares ? ˆ From RDBMS to No-SQL Forge proliferation Eorts ˆ Distributed forge with good properties ? More exchanges of ˆ New Savane (SD, Fossil) code ˆ QualiPSo, Diaspora (Moglen) et al. Data portability ˆ to No-forges ? Linked Open Social Web Linked Open Social Web of Data 3.0 + . . . What else ? Interoperability PlanetForge
- 24. Interoperability techniques COCLICO project - OWF 2010 Olivier Berger, Telecom SudParis ˆ OSLC proposed standard Introduction Foreword ˆ Web technology : REST, RDF, AJAX, About COCLICO ˆ Open community, Open standard Issues ˆ OSLC-CM (Change Management) FLOSS implementations Still too much lock-in developped in Helios and COCLICO Freedom vs ˆ Mantis bugtracker Hosted Who cares ? Forge ˆ FusionForge trackers (soon Codendi too) proliferation Eorts ˆ Many more domains than trackers More exchanges of ˆ WebID, aka FOAF+SSL code Data ˆ OAuth portability Linked Open ˆ Building grounds for forge interop standard to be Social Web elaborated at PlanetForge community Interoperability PlanetForge
- 25. PlanetForge community COCLICO project - OWF 2010 Olivier Berger, Telecom ˆ News agregator (planet) SudParis http://planet.planetforge.org/ Introduction Foreword ˆ Microblogging (!planetforge) About COCLICO Issues http://identi.ca/group/planetforge Still too much ˆ Mailing-list lock-in Freedom vs Hosted Who cares ? mailto:discussions@planetforge.org Forge proliferation ˆ Wiki Eorts More http://wiki.planetforge.org/ exchanges of code ˆ Events Data portability ˆ OWF, RMLL/LSM, . . . Linked Open ˆ Share ideas, experience, collaborate Social Web Interoperability ˆ Interoperability standardization PlanetForge Join us !
- 26. Copyright License COCLICO project - OWF 2010 Olivier Berger, Telecom SudParis Introduction Foreword About COCLICO Issues Still too much ˆ This presentation is under CC-by-SA license lock-in Freedom vs Hosted ˆ Copyright (c) 2010 Olivier Berger Who cares ? Forge proliferation Eorts ˆ Made with org-mode under emacs (org + beamer) More exchanges of code Data portability Linked Open Social Web Interoperability PlanetForge
- 27. QA COCLICO project - OWF 2010 Olivier Berger, Telecom SudParis Introduction Foreword About Thank you COCLICO Issues Questions ? Still too much lock-in Freedom vs Hosted Who cares ? Forge More proliferation Eorts @oberger : http://identi.ca/oberger/ More email : mailto:olivier.berger@it-sudparis.eu exchanges of code blog : Data http://www-public.it-sudparis.eu/~berger_o/weblog/ portability Linked Open Social Web Interoperability PlanetForge