Welcome, everyone. This is Deb Thompson with Living Energy Secrets Teleseminar, and we are in Season 5, and that’s just so exciting – been at this for over two years now. And of course, I am glad to welcome everyone who is listening on the call, who is on the webcast and, of course, all of the replay listeners. So, without further ado, I am going to go ahead and introduce Guruji Mahendra

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Living Energy Secrets Teleseminar Season 5
Bridging the Gap for Ultimate Healing
Mahendra Kumar Trivedi, Debra Poneman and Debra Thompson
Prepare Yourself for Miracles
Debra
Thompson: Welcome, everyone. This is Deb Thompson with Living Energy Secrets
Teleseminar, and we are in Season 5, and that’s just so exciting – been at this
for over two years now. And of course, I am glad to welcome everyone who is
listening on the call, who is on the webcast and, of course, all of the replay
listeners.
So, without further ado, I am going to go ahead and introduce Guruji Mahendra
Trivedi, and then we’re going to have a little bit of an intro from Debra Poneman,
who is the founding President of the Trivedi Foundation, who’s got a few things
that she’d like to say today.
So Mahendra Kumar Trivedi, his abilities go far beyond healing and into the
realm of real transformation. And I know you’ve all had a chance to read some of
the amazing things that are there in his bio, and as I had just been talking about
just a little bit before we started in, he is in a realm of energy work that most
people are not at and that most people don’t really get to.
He really has very special gifts and abilities that we are grateful that he is using
for the best in the world. Anywhere that he is needed, anywhere that people are
interested in having him bring his energy transmissions, he is very grateful and
thankful to be able to do that because this is his mission.
Mr. Trivedi’s energy transmissions have been the subject of over 4,000 scientific
studies at leading research institutes on six continents. These in-person or long-
distance energy transmissions have brought about physical and psychological
health improvements in tens of thousands of individuals such as those with
chronic pain, debilitating arthritis, as many of you are aware of, food sensitivities,
chronic symptoms, syndromes, even I know he’s talked about before infertility
issues, and we’re gonna hear a little bit about that because we’re gonna be
talking about some of the things that he’s affected, even into things psychological
– low self-esteem, depression.
And just from listening to Dr. Trivedi’s voice during his talks, people from all over
the world have reported feeling profound effects, including waves of great
happiness and peace. And I can imagine that that’s wonderful. But also with us
today from the Trivedi Foundation is Debra Poneman.
Debra, who is a best-selling author, transformational leader in her own right, and
founder of “Yes to Success” seminars has been working with the Trivedi
Foundation for the past – oh, I guess three years now. And Mr. Trivedi has
asked that we begin today’s interview by speaking with Debra for just a few
minutes so that she can share a little bit about Mr. Trivedi and about the
foundation and about how she came to be working with Guruji Trivedi.

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So with that, Debra, welcome so much to Living Energy Secrets.
Debra
Poneman: Thank you, and I would just like to defer to Mr. Trivedi for a second. I know he
likes to just greet the people before we start our conversation.
Debra: Well, thank you!
Poneman: Guruji, would you like to say “hello”?
Mahendra
Kumar
Trivedi: Yeah, Debra, thank you very much. I came here to this country in 2009 in the
month of March, and with the grace of God, I met Debra Poneman and her
husband, Mr. Fred Poneman. And since that time, they are our advisors.
[Laughter]
Poneman: Guruji’s laughing because I advise him too much.
Guruji: And they are teaching me several areas regarding their culture in the Western
world, and Debra’s my English teacher. So when I came to this country, my
English was very poor. Still it is not quite satisfactory. But yes, I have now the
ability to convey the message to the world and to understand what they wanted
to speak, what they wanted to say.
I think that, yes, we are enjoying a journey of consciousness, of transformation,
how we can help in a very appreciative manner to the world and to the people.
And today I am here on this call, so thank you very much all the participants, and
hopefully you will enjoy very much this call, lots of new information.
Most of the time you will see something beyond your imagination. What I am
doing that is beyond the understanding of so many Nobel Prize winner scientists,
right. I’ve met very top scientists on this planet, and we will talk about all these
things – that I’m very practical man, very skeptical since my childhood.
Still, I am very skeptical. That is in my character. That’s into my genes. So ‘til I
will be here on this planet, I will be skeptical. So I’m handing over this phone to
my advisor and English teacher, yeah, Ms. Debra Poneman. So please,
welcome, and you keep [inaudible]. [Laughter]
Debra: Thank you. And I want to tell you how much that I personally appreciate that you
have gone to all the trouble to learn English – and I know that you’re even
learning some other things – to be able to give all of this information and to be a
help to people that are in the English-speaking world. That is an amazing thing,
because most English speakers don’t speak other languages.
Poneman: Yeah.
Debra: So thank you.

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Guruji: Yeah, thank you very much. And I’m announcing Debra, please.
Poneman: Well, Deb, would you like me to just say a little bit about how I came to be
working with Mr. Trivedi?
Debra: Absolutely! I would love to know that because I know it was an interesting
background. Talk about skeptical.
Poneman: Yes, well, I love to tell this story because I – not being a skeptical kind of a
person – many decades ago I actually became a teacher of the Transcendental
Meditation Program. I spent many, many, many years with Maharishi Mahesh
Yogi teaching TM around the country and with him around the world.
And since that time, which was the early ‘70s, I became very fascinated with
spiritual masters and with the whole world of healing and people who had
abilities that were beyond the normal everyday abilities that most human beings
have.
But because I had spent so many decades at the feet of some of the greatest
masters – not only Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, but many, many others – I felt very
settled and satisfied in my own personal spiritual journey. And when my dear
friends, Chris and Janet Atwood, New York Times best-selling authors of The
Passion Test, when they called me – Janet has been one of my best friends also
for decades.
She called and said, “There’s this man who has come to the U.S. and his name
is Guruji, and he has some extraordinary abilities,” and my first reaction was,
“Thanks, but no thanks, because I have – I feel like I have met all of the greatest
gurujis on the planet.”
And you know “guruji” simply means – “guru” is teacher, and “ji” is a sign of
respect. So it just even uplifts, enhances and says an even greater – a great
teacher, a divine teacher, a respected teacher. So I said, “I’ve met so many
gurujis, and I’m really not interested in meeting another person named guruji.”
And then Chris Atwood said to my husband and myself, “Well, this gentleman is
different because he has gone into the scientific laboratory and verified that he is
not some” – you know, there’s so many people in India on every corner. They
say they do blessings, they do healings, they do transformation, but because
they have the long robes and the long hair, people line up and then they feel like
they’ve gotten something. But really, could it be verified objectively in a scientific
laboratory? And the answer is probably not.
And yet, this gentleman was not willing to use his abilities for one more person
until he could be separated from those people on every street corner and have
his abilities verified. Not that he needed to have his abilities verified; it was so
obvious, but these people who were lining up, they were lining up for everybody.
And the most amazing part is that research was done on six continents, on some
of the finest research institutes in the world. And not only did they find that Mr.
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and to affect viruses and bacteria, but even inanimate objects like metal,
ceramics, polymers on the atomic level.
So when we saw that research, and when he was gracious enough to allow us to
have some of our friends receive one of his energy transmissions – or we also
call them “blessings” because they’re so much more than healings because it’s
total transformation, not just on the physical level, but people experience
changes in their relationships and their spiritual life and their finances.
So it’s not just a healing like for some headache or something like that, although
those tend to go away. But it’s so much more. But anyway, so the bottom line is
that he was gracious enough to allow me to have some people come over and
receive these energy transmissions or blessings, and I had never, ever in all of
these years that I have seen – you don’t know how many healers and energy
workers I’ve come in contact with – I’d never seen results like this, and that was
enough for me.
I just said, “Okay, I am committing myself to furthering the ability for Mr. Trivedi to
reach as many people as possible.” And not only is he reaching humans, but
really changing the face of agriculture and for animals and in so many different
arenas of life. So it’s just been a real honor. And yes, it has been almost – it’s
going to be three years in April, so – and it’s been an absolute honor to work for
the foundation.
Debra: Wow! That’s wonderful. Thank you for all that background information. But we
talked a little bit before about how it is possible with human beings to account for
a lot of changes because of what they believe inside about themselves and about
their body and their situation.
And so there is this tendency to say, “Oh, well, you know, people yeah, they
might have felt something. Yeah, that might have happened, but it might have
happened with anybody who had done this,” like you said. But we talked about
that is not the case with plants, animals and inanimate objects. What of the
studies was really impressive to you as far as this is not the placebo effect?
Poneman: Well, there have been so many, like for example – I think actually one of the
studies that was the most impressive to me personally was when Mr. Trivedi,
also called Guruji, blessed land. He blessed 106 acres of land where several
months later 9,000 cashew saplings were planted on this land that he had
blessed, and when these cashew saplings came to be grown trees and started to
bear fruit, not only was the fruit more nutritious – the cashews more nutritious –
not only were they more abundant – instead of 3 or 4 in a clump, there were 10,
12, 14 in a clump – but also these cashews were – they were resistant to fungus,
bacteria. There was no need for pesticides or fungicides or bactericides or
fertilizers or organic or inorganic chemicals.
I mean, I don’t know if you know this, but the cashews that you eat from the
grocery store have been sprayed seven times during the fruiting season just so
they won’t have bacteria and fungus. Yet, one blessing of the land – now can we
account for this being the placebo effect? It can’t be. And it wasn’t even that he
blessed the trees; he blessed the land where the trees were then planted.

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And what’s more – and this is very exciting for humans – is that it was for
subsequent generations there was still a greater yield and a higher nutritional
value, and the cashews are still generations later resistant to pest attacks and
fungus and bacteria.
And just extrapolate for yourself, I have seen people whose immunity has so
remarkably increased, and you can see that again with – and I’ll just say one
other area of research that was extremely impressive to me was when Guruji
blessed long-distance – you have to follow this – long-distance he blessed water
that was then given to chickens on a chicken farm.
They divided these chickens into the control group and to the group that drank
the blessed water. So he blesses the water; he’s in the U.S., blesses the water
in India, and the chickens who drank the treated water had higher weight gain,
less foot intake. The meat was not only 15 percent increased, but the EEF,
which is the measure of profitability from these chickens, over a 10 percent
increase.
But one of the things that was amazing, one of the problems with poultry farming
is that the excrement is so highly odiferous that it’s really – it’s horrible. I used to
live in Iowa, so I know. I would know!
Debra: We’re in chicken farming country. Yes, we know.
Poneman: You are, too.
Debra: Yes!
Poneman: And almost negligible odor. Now, this is from these chickens. The other
chickens, I think it was like over 20 rounds of drugs and antibiotics to keep them
from getting disease and to increase the weight and the edible meat. Our
chickens just drank the water and ate just normal food. So again, did the
chickens know that they’re drinking blessed water? No, so that’s why we can
rule out the placebo effect.
Debra: And I’m not discounting that at all, and I know you’re not, because that – when
the placebo effect really does work for people, that is total proof that their mind
and their belief system and their energy is very powerful, and they can affect their
own bodies and their own lives. So I’m not against that, but at least as far as
what we’re talking about, we’re talking about the difference between the energy
that Guruji has versus what some other people might say that they’re able to
work with.
Poneman: Right, exactly. And if somebody gets better from believing that they’re going to
get better, you know, more power to them. What is great about the blessings
that people receivedfrom Guruji is they could be skeptical, and they will still
receive the benefits. That’s the beauty, one of the beauties of what he does.
Debra: That’s good. Well, just before we talk to Guruji directly, I just wanted to ask a
question that we had been asked by some of our listeners and some other
people that we had been talking about Mr. Trivedi with, is they had said that they

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had looked for some of his studies to be in the different journals, and I know that
you and I had talked about that, because there are so many, and they couldn’t
find them in the journals. Could you address that?
Poneman: Yes, well, you know, the best thing to do would be to go onto our website
because we have all of the scientific research, and we have the links to the
different research that was done. So on our website, especially under our
“Scientific Research” tab, we have the research done not only on Mr. Trivedi’s
unique physiology, but also on human wellness, on genetics, on science,
microbiology, agriculture – it’s all there and all over the links.
Debra: And is it rather – do you find it from a professional standpoint – and I know that
Guruji also is a mechanical engineer. He has an exceptional amount of science
training himself. Is it becoming difficult, do you think, to get some of these results
actually printed in the regular journals?
Poneman: Oh, I think I’m gonna let Guruji… (Laughs).
Debra: Okay. Well, good. Then excellent! Is there anything else that you had to say to
us?
Poneman: No. Well, I’ll be here the whole time, so anytime you want to ask me anything, I’ll
be here. But as you mentioned in the introduction, even though on this call
Guruji is not going to be giving the people an energy transmission or blessing,
but just from hearing his voice people have reported that they feel like energy in
their physiology. And people have even reported spontaneous results just from
hearing his voice. So I think people are probably saying, “Okay, Debra, that’s
enough from you. Let’s hear from Guruji now.”
Debra: You’re right. You’re right about that. So let’s go ahead. And Guruji, are you still
with us?
Guruji: Yeah.
Debra: Excellent! Thank you for sitting so patiently listening to us ladies talk about you.
Guruji: (Laughs)
Debra: Well, I would really love to hear a little bit from you, Guruji, because we have
brand new listeners to Living Energy Secrets. We have a lot of different things
that we have been working on, and so there are people who have probably never
heard you speak before. So if you could just give us a little bit – I know that you
realized that you had these abilities from your youth, and just a little bit of the
high points of how you came to do what you’re doing today.
Guruji: Oh, very nice. Thank you very much.
Debra: Thank you.
Guruji: So thank you very much all the listeners who are here. I’m just giving you the
journey of the master, right? Okay?

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Debra: Mm-hmm.
Guruji: Yeah [inaudible]. I was born in a very poor family in the central part of India. So
I’m the eldest one – oldest one in the family. After me one brother; after him two
more sisters. So this is the family structure. My father, he was a great teacher,
and my mother, housewife. Lacked no education.
And after six years of age, I found like there’s no chemistry between me and rest
of five members – three brothers and sisters and two parents. So there was no
chemistry between me and rest of the people.
So you can understand that if somebody is living in a house where there’s no
chemistry always, all the time I was feeling that just my parents, they have stolen
me from somewhere else. That was the situation all the time.
And at the age of six, I started enjoying plants. Plants as a state are very difficult
to define within 40 minutes, it takes more time. But definitely, I can feel like if I
can just answer like what is the difference between $1,000.00 and $1 million?
Then you can understand, right? If no one tells a lot of [inaudible] what.
Deepest state of meditation. People, they’re going to the meditation and then all
going – then over there they reach to the state where there are no thoughts-
thoughtlessness, speechless. That is called the deepest state of meditation.
And trance is at least billion times higher than this state, and this state according
to neurophysiology is very close to impossible phenomenon that you pass the
state of meditation. Anyhow, when I was 12 years of age, and my position,
ideas, attitude very different from the people of 12 years of age of children – boys
and girls.
I was very comfortable, very natural, very comfortable with the people more than
45 years of age, and I was not enjoying the childishness like immature talks –
very mature talk, sensible. Right? No wasting of time. Everything should be
practical.
I don’t like hypotheses, useless ideas. Right? If you do anything in your life, if
you do meditation or yoga or any kind of effect or art or painting, whatever, or
dance or music, that art that you’re doing this must have the ability to bring the
happiness in your life. If that art or you’re doing this is not competent, it’s not
able to bring the happiness in your life, it’s bogus – useless from my point of
view.
You may enjoy [inaudible] art which is not useful. But I never did in my life, am
not doing, will not do, and I don’t teach anybody. Right? To do that kind of
action. So anyhow, then I did my bachelor’s degree in engineering, and then I
started doing job here and there because I was from a poor family background.
My parents did not have lots of money like for business or any of that things, so I
had no option to go and search for a job. To get the job, it was very easy for me,
right, because my intelligence was very high. I was born with photographic
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But no job was able to give me the satisfaction. Just within a day, I was coming
one time to the conclusion that this is not for me. I’m not born for this purpose.
So what is for me? That was the biggest confusion. What is for me? I don’t
know what’s for me, but this is not my future.
So I was in job for two months, jobless for another six months, again with a
different job for three months, again jobless for another six, seven months – that
kind of situation. Then in India, people just said, “Okay, now I think you are alone
or single all the time, so that’s why you are not stable like.”
Give him more responsibilities for the Indian society – that culture, they say,
“Okay, you allow him – you just force him to marry a girl, then she is a
responsibility.” Oh, my goodness! I have my wife and nearly after two years I
have unborn child, so now I am a father. I am not a single slacky boy going here
and there. I must behave like a father, like a husband and more responsible.
Then he’s not going to leave the jobs all the time. He will be –
Debra: He will just need to do that.
Guruji: -- in some stable job.
Debra: Right.
Guruji: I did my marriage. Very good relationship with my wife. So I enjoyed that
married relationship. I enjoyed sex and everything, but again dissatisfaction in
the life. It’s so important for the human’s life, the satisfaction in your life. And
that satisfaction I was missing. Again, I was searching the truth, the reality, what
is my life purpose?
And in 1995, when I was sleeping in a trancelike state, I was gifted with this
power. My gift was little different from so many [inaudible] and other people.
Their description is that they were sleeping and suddenly the house was full of
some kind of unique smell, which they cannot describe.
The house was, their room, the bedroom was full of white light which they cannot
describe, and that light started condensing and converted into some deity or
angel. And that deity or angel told them that, “Yes, now I’m going on vacation or
on honeymoon; please you take care of the world.” Right? This never happened
in my life, and this is one won’t happen. I’m not going to come into this journey.
Right?
Debra: Right.
Guruji: I don’t like these type of ideas. I’m very skeptical. If some deity will come in the
night or some angel will come in the night, say, “I’m going on vacation or
honeymoon, so you take care of this job,” I will not accept that.
I don’t like the dreams like during day or night. I don’t like any angel to disturb
my sleep in the night. If you are really an angel from any planet, you come
during daytime; we will enjoy lunch and dinner or maybe sex, right. That’s it.
Very practical, no-nonsense – I’m very skeptical. [Laughing - Inaudible]

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Debra: Yep, there you go.
Guruji: So that was my journey, like in the state of my super-consciousness. I issue the
transformation, like this is the time for my action, my calling, and I have to be out
of sentiments from family and friends and all of that things because I have to take
care of a big responsibility on this planet.
I have to play my role decided by the creator, God, universe, universal energy.
And I have to do my job. I followed that same, and after that all the time I’m
getting this information in my conscious brain – super-consciousness – state of
the super-consciousness like, “Yeah, what is next?
“What is the future of this planet? What is the future of the countries? What is
my future? What is my role? What is the role of others?” This type of
information. I’m not getting some kind of information that some deity’s coming
and telling me something in the ears and all those things. Might be true for
others, but not for me. This is my…
I’m going through all these things. So I started blessing the people in India. We
don’t use that term “energy transmission” because it is very disrespectful term in
that country. This is the most appropriate term in the arena of science like. They
don’t like the blessing and all these things and deities and angels.
They are very skeptical people. They like just energy transmission. Everything
is energy. The smallest known particle in this universe is atom, and they learned
what is atom. It is a form of energy. So they just differentiate or they just
describe the whole universe – it is composed of energy and mass.
And mass is also energy; that’s a very simple thing. So I started doing the
blessing on the people, and I got their feedback, and they reported that after this
blessing their life transformed at every level.
At the level of physical body, mental, emotional, psychological, sexual, and finally
they feel connected with the universe or the god of their understanding –
whoever, whatever. But then in 2000, I started thinking that what I’m doing, what
other people, they are doing? Then I found that just in one country like India
there are millions and millions of the spiritual masters and religious masters.
What they are doing?
They are trying to transform the life of the humans for better purposes or higher
purposes with the help of blessing. And this blessing, according to them, it
comes through deities, angels and God. Right?
Debra: Right.
Guruji: I met several other people who were claiming that they are the top healers on
this planet. And there are different models of healings: Reiki, Tai Chi, Qigong,
healing with the help of crystals and dance and music, transfer effects, and
cosmic healing and energy healing and maybe hundreds of other ideas. Right?
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Guruji: But they are healers. That second category. The last category: transformation
leaders who talks about the consciousness, who deliver their discourses, who
teach to eat the organic food, sleep early, wake up early, get more oxygen, do
regular exercise, go in the gym, go for walking, jumping and all these things, and
laughing – there are laughter class also. They deliver their discourse, and they
inspire that people to listen their ideas, their hypothesis, right?
And then I found that what all these different people, they are doing. Their
objective is very close to each other, very similar. How we can transform the life
of the human? They suggest meditation. They suggest yoga. They suggest
other things. If there’s any confusion, they are good counselors. Right? But
ultimately, all of them, their common objective, like they are not self-centered
people. Their consciousness much higher than any average person on this
planet are these three leaders.
And the objectives came that somehow we needed to transform the life of the
humans. Right? But because I’m very skeptical, I started thinking that what I’m
doing, I’m also doing the same. But I’m using some unknown energy which
transmits through my thoughts on this globe from one corner to another. I started
thinking with a question mark, “If this energy is real, why it is limited to humans?”
If this energy has the ability to transform the life of the human, this energy must
have the ability to transform the life of plants and trees and bacteria and viruses
and fungi and all types of animals. And definitely it should do more [inaudible]
and should make more efficient all matters and ceramics and polymers and
chemicals and pharmaceutical drugs.
Debra: Yes, it’s all energy.
Guruji: So I started thinking, “Oh, my goodness! I should go into the science.” Who will
justify that this energy is there? First of all, I need a justification for myself – that
this energy is real or it is part of the placebo effect.
If I’m going to do any experiment on human, it is part a placebo effect. If I show
any miracle, part of placebo effect. So I should show that impact in the area of
agriculture. So we met several vice chancellors in [inaudible] universities.
I did this energy transmission blessing hundreds of acres of land, thousands of
trees at a time, all types of crops like fruits and nuts and vegetables and grains,
and then finally we did the experiment in the laboratory in the microbiology
section to see the effect of this energy on bacteria, viruses, fungi and the viruses
like HIV, Hepatitis B, Hepatitis C and Herpes virus done in a laboratory that’s
very strict controlled conditions. And that laboratory is actually detailed by
American Association of Pathologists to the most authentic and very difficult
accreditation on this planet. Right?
You know, like how they have just two handful labs which have this type of
accreditation. So we did hundreds and hundreds of experiments over there, and
we found that this energy has the ability to kill all these viruses, right, up to 99.81
percent. We didn’t defeat [inaudible], right. Then we did lots of experiments on
animals, and then finally I entered into the cancer cells, so I blessed the cancer

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cells, endometrium and prostate, and we converted cancerous cells into
noncancerous cells.
Then we did more than 3,000 experiments on metals and ceramics and polymers
and at minus 270 degrees Celsius temperature, and plus side 100, 200, 500 – up
to 1,000 degrees Celsius temperature so that we can prove the authenticity of
this energy – that it is not just you cool or you heat up very high and this energy
disappears.
This energy has permanent changes and permanent transformation. It has no
meaning if you heat the item or if you cool it. And this energy, in some ways we
can say we’ve found that this energy has the ability to change the structure of the
atom. This is beyond the understanding of current science.
Debra: I would think so!
Guruji: Yeah, yeah. Finally, in 2009, I came to America, and based on over 4,000
experiments we got 6 publications on this planet. S there’s four publications that
are in the U.S., and one publication that is in the U.K., and the last publication
that is in India.
And we are joining, we are attending the conferences. Like on 26th
of
September, 2011, I’m going to Hawaii to present a paper. So I’m one of the
presenters, one of the speakers over there. I’m presenting my research on a
mango project in India.
Debra: Oh! What conference is this, so people would know?
Guruji: It’s agriculture – international – it’s some kind of international conference related
to agriculture and [inaudible]. I do not have – except idea like three or four
months back, science department, they figured they’d send that research to them
and they were highly excited, and they gave us this opportunity. So I’m going
over there. Scientists from all over the world, they are coming over there.
Debra: Excellent!
Guruji: Yeah. All six publications, they are available on our website. If you get one
publication on this planet, means your hypothesis or your experiment or your
research or your whatever, the technology has been accepted by the
International Community of Scientists. Right? You have not to do twenty…
Debra: Excellent! Which publication?
Guruji: Okay. On the website you just click the publication section. You will get six
papers that have been published. So one paper has been published in the
Bannister Journal. Right? Bannister is U.S., and three is bulletin on material
science that this energy has the ability to change the structure of the atom and
that is related on diamond and graphite and coal and maybe some more
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And another three, they are based on the effect of this energy on infectious
bacteria, the bacteria who are harmful. So the harmful bacteria for the human
health. So there are three more publications, right, on ability for bacterias to feel
the impact of this energy. And one –
Debra: And when you did the energy transmission on these bacteria, were you changing
them or eliminating them?
Guruji: Yeah. This happens. Both. That depends on the intention. Like, how I am
helping the science, it will feel like in the 19th
century, like the first antibiotics that
came into the market, and after 20–40 years, the antibiotics were not effective
and were not useful.
So the science and scientists, they came up with the second generation
antibiotics, and then after 20 years that was useless and they came up with the
third generation antibiotics, after some time fourth generation antibiotics and fifth
generation antibiotics.
So now for most of the infectious disease nowadays the doctors, they are using
the fifth generation antibiotics. And even the last several bacteria which you
cannot kill in the humans body with the help of this fifth generation antibiotic,
which is very powerful chemicals, and those bacteria now they are in the
category of “super-bugs.”
So science has nothing to do. Science has nothing to do because bacteria is
getting more and more resistant, more and more powerful, more and more
powerful every year. So the sciences have started hitting the last wall because
fifth generation antibiotic drug is very powerful and the patients and the people
who are taking these antibiotics for 10–15 days clearly, due to the side effects,
they struggle for another 3–6 months period of time. It’s a very big [inaudible] in
a human’s life.
Life is very short on this planet. Right? So how I help the science, I bless those
bacteria, very powerful, fifth generation of the bacteria who are responding just
for this fifth generation, and they became very mild. They started responding for
very mild drugs like we were using 40 years back.
Yeah. So I’m giving the idea to the science like years in future we can come up
with the energy medicine so a small amount of chemicals and more amount of
this energy and the combination of both and we can kill the bacteria in the
human’s body. So we are doing that kind of research.
We did that, and we are committed. We are doing in future also. So that is the
whole science of it, but when I came over here, I did lots of research in America
also with one of the institutes in the U.S. The scientists, they give me in one
plate the six samples of brain cancerous cells, another six samples of healthy
brain cells and covered by a glass cover.
And I blessed from a little distance away from that, and the scientists, they found
that the energy was able to kill the cancerous cells and the energy was able to
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So the scientists, they showed us a report after three months of investigation
research, and they are talking like this is a kind of holograph. This the energy
with intelligence.
Debra: A hologram – okay.
Guruji: All the energy known to the science – that heat energy, [inaudible] energy, light
energy, optical energy, electrical energy, mechanical or magnetic energy,
electromagnetic energy, all these energies; they are very powerful, but
unfortunately they do not have intelligence. The energy I’m using, this energy
has intelligence.
It knows how to behave with the cancer cells and how to behave with the healthy
cells. So difference on the intention. Like in India, I did the impact on the cancer
cells, and they were converted into healthy cells. Here the scientists, their desire
was you need to kill the cancer cells and give life to the healthy cells.
We needed to prove that this energy has intelligence also. So depends on the
need of the science and scientists, and this energy does that job. That’s why
when I bless the people with the help of this energy transmission, I give the
instructions to the people, “Please close your eyes. Start your prayer to the god
of your understanding, and whatever you need from your god, you need to
request and most of the time you will get it.” And that is the beauty of this
energy: people, they are getting it.
We don’t teach that this is the god; you need it to follow me. No, you have to
follow your inner guidance system. You have to follow your inner voice. You
have to follow your heart. You should not follow anybody else, including myself.
Follow yourself.
So I started thinking that, why the people on this planet, they are unhappy; they
are under sadness – why? They are struggling with lots of diseases, physical
and mental and emotional and psychological. They have lots of problems in
terms of sexual relationship or the problems related to menstrual cycle disorders,
problems related to orgasm, problems related to not reaching on the climax,
problems related to relationship – I ask why?
So I came on the conclusion that if the people when they wake up in the morning
– the majority of the people on this planet – one of things: their sleep is not
restful, or the energy is very low.
They are mentally confused. They don’t know what to do, what not to do. They
have fear from the future. They are under stress, anxiety, depression, sadness,
hopelessness. All these smallest of problems. And all these problems together,
they are giving them very, very miserable life. What are the reasons? Medicine
and other things, they are good, but not a perfect solution.
So what – why we need to take the medicine? Why it is necessary for us? Is
there anyway we are without medicine we can enjoy a good life? So I came on
the final conclusion that the problem that people – they don’t know what is their
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Why we are here on this planet? What I have to do; what I have not to do? That
is the only biggest problem. Who will tell me that what is my future path? Which
direction I have to go?
What job I have to choose? What business I have to choose? Why I am not
successful? Why I’m getting lots of hurdles? Why I’m not enjoying my work?
Whatever! All this. Who will tell me what is my future? I have people, they go to
the healers and counselors and clairvoyants and spiritual masters and
transformational leaders, and mostly people they go more, they are more
confused. If they go less, they are less confused. Right?
This is my observation. So the coming conclusion that I’m giving the analogy like
you have a car, and the car has a GPS inner guidance system. And somehow if
you don’t know how to operate that GPS, or if GPS is not functioning, now you
are going – you are traveling, right? You are doing one journey from one place
to another. Might be 200 miles, 500 miles, 1,000 miles – whatever. Now you are
directionless. Which direction I have to go? You know the destination, but you
don’t know the direction.
So they drive the car north or south or east or west – god knows. So very
difficult. That time, what are you doing? You are pulling your car towards gas
station and trying to get the information. Sometimes you get the right
information; sometimes you get confused. And suppose they have given the
instruction, “Okay, you go on the freeway and drive 12 miles. Then some exit will
come.” So and so 32B, suppose.
Now lots of exits they are coming. All the time you are under stress, “Why should
only this exit? Oh, my goodness! I lost it! I missed it!” And again, you are
taking U-turn and going and how to come on the freeway and how to again get
the 32B exit.
The journey is full of stress, anxiety, might be depression, high, high level of
frustration and tiredness. On the contrary, if your GPS is functioning properly
and you know how to operate that GPS, how to get the information about the
future path, then the journey is so easy.
You will get that information from GPS: “Turn your car right, go on this freeway.
You have to go 80 miles on the freeway. Okay, now your exit 32B is coming.
After one mile, again you will get the information that it is half-miles away, and
again you will get the information it is 200 feet away. Pull your car towards right.
Take left side or right side –” all information. The journey is without stress,
anxiety, depression, irritation, frustration – no nonsense. Journey is full of
pleasure and joy.
So the question in your life, who taught, who decided like for the beautiful journey
– the stress, the journey – the driver needs that GPS in the car? No man.
Maybe ABC. Whoever his name. I don’t care. So if the man has that ability to
think that how we can make the journey from start to end full of joy and
happiness and pleasure for me, right, why not God? Who created all of us? We
are the creation, and creation without creator is not possible. So the creator is
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Creator might be male, female, combination of both, maybe some animal, maybe
the whole universe, maybe the nature, maybe some universal energy – God
knows about the God. I don’t know. But this is my assumption: that without
creator that creation cannot exist.
Somebody created this universe. Somebody created this planet Earth. There is
very good discipline. Nothing like what the planet does is say, “Okay now for
seven days I will not rotate, and I will not take the orbit, and I’m going on a
vacation or here and there. I’m tired. This is [inaudible].” No nonsense.
Universe, every second is working. No vacation; no nonsense! Right?
Debra: That’s right.
Guruji: Universe knows like yes, this is a journey. Everything disciplined. Everybody
knows their life purpose, and that’s why there’s no tiredness. Similarly, for
humans, human has also been given that GPS system. All humans – they’re
born with that inner guidance like GPS in the car.
We have also some kind of GPS in our bodies. That GPS has complete
information from our birth to death. That GPS has the information: who will be
your soul-mate, what is the best place for you to live, what job or what business
can give you the success, how you can improve the relationship, who is your
best partner, who are your well wishers, who are not your well wishers, whom to
join, whom not to join – complete information.
Once you have complete information, there is no confusion, no mental fogginess,
nothing – and there’s no tiredness. Then you sleep like a baby for the rest of
your life. You sleep like a baby. It’s not a big thing. It’s a very natural
phenomenon. Females, you’re in menstrual cycle disorder you all have very
heavy pain and cramps and bloating – all these things – why? There’s some
problem. It’s a very natural phenomenon. It should flow in a very smooth
manner.
Debra: So you’re talking about people getting in connection with this GPS. Do your
blessings or your energy transmissions – does that work to raise people’s
consciousness?
Guruji: Okay, that I’m coming. Yes, 100 percent. So the whole problems are limited to
life purpose. You are confused. You are going in the wrong direction. If you
know your life purpose, all problems automatically will be solved. Right? You
just need to get the ability how to listen your inner guidance. What this energy
does, this energy has the ability to connect you between your brain and your
GPS inner guidance system – which I use the term “the soul” or “the spirit.” You
can use any term, right.
Once you are connected, you will start getting the information all the time that,
yes, she’s not your soul-mate. She’s not your soul-mate. It is coming. They are
on the way. Yes, he is my soul-mate, or she is my soul-mate. This is the job for
me. All these things you get better quality, high quality sleep. Your health is very
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your spirit has the ability to increase, to enhance your self-healing powers, right,
so you are free from all this nonsense. So this energy does that job.
Finally, after doing good job, and the second time you are, people, they are
connected with the universe, connected with the creator, connected with their
bodies and their souls. Souls of religion. Once you are connected, your spirit
has the ability to channel that energy, that life force from somewhere in the
universe, and you don’t get sickness. You’re already enjoy the happiness on this
planet.
It’s very simple. My message to the people: you don’t need any clairvoyance,
any spiritual master, any kind of outside advice. You are born with your master.
You are born with your inner guidance system. Nobody knows better than you
about yourself. Right?
Debra: Right.
Guruji: You are the only master for yourself. You are independent creation of the God,
and once you are connected and your life is very smooth.
Debra: Now, Marie was asking – and this has to do with what you’re talking about – she
says that people are coming to the blessings, the energy transmissions, with
many, many different issues, just like you’re talking about. They have problems
with their health or problems with their relationships or problems, problems.
Everyone’s coming with something different.
How is it – and that’s what she’s trying to understand – how is it that these
energy transmissions affect people at their own level? Is it because they
themselves in themselves are choosing to concentrate on those issues during
the energy transmission?
Guruji: They can focus. They can enjoy their system. But definitely the first of all for
thousands of physical disorders and thousands of mental and emotional and
psychological disorders, thousand varieties or sexual disorders, the problem is
only one, and the solution is also only one.
The problem: that people, they are disconnected from that inner guidance
system. That is the only problem, and there’s only one solution: you should get,
again, connected. That’s it. Once you are connected, you are not born to enjoy
the problems, right.
You are born to enjoy the happiness on this planet. Right? It’s like light and
darkness. What is the definition of darkness? That is the absence of light. You
may ask one million questions related to darkness. I will answer all the time that
it is the absence of light.
And only one solution: the darkness does not exist. Only one solution: through
the light, darkness will run away. So the varieties of darkness in your life which
you suffer in the form of physical disorder, mental disorder, emotional and
psychological disorder and sexual disorders, financial problems, relationship
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The solution is the light. The light you don’t need from outside. It’s a kind of
jumpstart. I’ll give you another analogy. Like you have one car, you started that
car for a few minutes or hours, and now your car is absolutely [inaudible]. The
gas tank is full. The air in the tires – whole system is working, but car is not
starting.
But you just need somebody to come and give the jumpstart. And I’m going to
be that person. I’m going to be that person who gave you the jumpstart. You
don’t need that person, so what I’m doing, what this energy is doing, this energy
is just connecting. You’re just giving that jumpstart. Once your car will start
running, you don’t need jumpstart every time. Right?
Debra: That’s right. That’s right.
Poneman: I just wanted to add something, and that’s one of the things that I love about what
Guruji does. He doesn’t say that people have to come back forever, although we
do have some advanced programs even where people can learn to use a form of
this energy for their loved ones.
Debra: Excellent. That was a question.
Poneman: Yes, and I’m in that program. And it’s fantastic, but there’s a place for people to
start. But what I love is that this energy is so powerful that I’ve had people – you
know, Guruji said people pray to the god of their understanding for what they
need to make themselves happy. And then sometimes when the prayer is over
and the blessing or the energy transmission begins, they’re like, “Oh my gosh! I
forgot to pray for my eyesight to improve,” but it doesn’t matter because your soul
knows what you need.
And what I’ve seen – because I’ve been with Guruji now for almost three years –
so many people, they wanna know what they were put on earth to do. What is
their purpose? What is their passion? Why are they here? And this energy
really connects them to their higher self.
It connects their heart and their mind and their spirit and their soul. And next
thing they know it becomes clear with absolutely no struggle. And they’re able to
– the energy just clears the path for them to be able to realize their dreams and
their goals.
So this one energy – what I’ve seen from my experience is – this one energy it
knows what you need to have a glorious life. And it goes to work immediately,
and you don’t have to be dependent on Guruji, but if you want to accelerate your
progress then there are advanced programs to take advantage of.
Guruji: Yeah, it’s very important like in any country, like in any advanced country they
have, for the kids, they have the education like high school and bachelor’s
degree and master’s degree, Ph.D. Ph.D. is a very good education, but for kids
it’s very important that without high school no education is possible. So these
three blessing programs, they can definitely – for the new people it’s a very
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different style. It is really very, very mandatory for most, for all the people, that
you should go to high school program first of all. Right?
Debra: So the first three blessings are like going to high school. Excellent. And that was
one of the other questions that Debra had touched on, is that were there other
techniques or meditations or things that he finds that are beneficial for training
yourself in raising your consciousness on a regular basis?
Poneman: Should I answer that, Guruji?
Guruji: Yeah.
Poneman: Yeah. Well, again, what I have found – and I’ve been meditating for over 40
years. What I and other people who have also been regular meditators have
found is that we were told that meditation is self-sufficient, and I love my
meditation. I do it every day.
But I’ll just tell you something; after this blessing, after receiving Guruji’s
blessings, the quality of my meditation, the depth of my meditation, the results of
my meditation have greatly accelerated. So can you do other things to improve
your life? Of course! But what you find from this blessing is everything you do, it
enhances that.
But in terms of Guruji recommending something to do to enhance the
effectiveness of the blessing, no, nothing is needed. It is self-sufficient. He
doesn’t tell you to go on a certain diet. He doesn’t tell you to do rituals or dogma
or –
Debra: Good.
Poneman: – or become a vegetarian, nothing like that. This energy doesn’t need that.
Guruji: I think the most important point I would like to speak here, that most of the
people, I think a very large group, I would like to say more than 80 or 90 percent
people, they believe in God on this planet. They practice some kind of religion,
and what happens they are praying the god of their understanding for the
smallest of all things to achieve. And most of the time they are not achieving
anything. All they are achieving is very small thing. What this energy is doing –
and that’s why the people, their belief system is very weak nowadays. Right?
They believe, but then they are not getting the visions right to their prayer or to
their any kind of ritual or dogma. The belief system is very weak after that. What
this energy is doing, it is giving the extent to your belief system.
If you believe any religion, like you believe in Jesus or Buddha or Krishna or
Allah, whatever; and definitely if you pray from your true heart and you are
getting the help, then definitely your belief in Jesus and Allah and all these
masters and god, it will really increase a lot, and you will start worshipping.
And definitely you will get lots of courage after that; lots of confidence after that.
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your alignment is not there, that message is not going, right. Like you have the
laptop, you have the computer, but Internet is not working; everything is useless.
So you want what is Internet; you want that connection between satellite and
your laptop. Once you are connected, you will be able to send your message to
anywhere, to anybody, your loved ones on this planet. But that connection is
necessary.
That energy is missing, and you are connected with the help of this energy. So
what this energy is doing, this energy is giving you that connection. Once you
are connected, then definitely you can enjoy your belief system. And that’s why
the blessing, it comes through the god of your understanding.
It doesn’t come through my body. It doesn’t come through the god of my
understanding. It always comes to the god of your understanding. How this is
coming? Why this is coming? I don’t know, right.
If you want to enjoy a good life, you should go to this. In the case of why and
how, this is the job of the scientist. If you are not scientist, don’t waste your time.
I’m very practical person, right. This energy is giving the natural blueprint to
everybody. What is natural blueprint?
Like children. Have you seen any child with lots of anxiety and stress and
depression and sadness and hopelessness? I have not seen it in my whole life.
I have visited all six continents, so many countries, and I have not seen any
single child suffering from anxiety and depression and bipolar disorder and all
these things.
No, I’ve not seen it. Now why you and me? We are suffering. There is some
kind of disconnection. We have lost that innocence. We have lost that
connection from our bodies and our souls from the god of our understanding.
So I have done this experiment on plants and trees. And so read the history of
agriculture or if you have the grandparents or great-grandparents, you talk to
them that at least 100 years before, our ancestors, they were not using any kind
of pesticide and fungicide and chemical fertilizer. Right? Nothing. And the crop
was absolutely organic, lots of taste, high nutritional value.
Right? What this energy is doing, this energy is giving them natural blueprint.
Something 100 years back that was natural blueprint. So for all of us, we have
lost our natural blueprint. When we’re born, nobody was born with all these
problems. Nobody. Not even a single child. We have lost that connection, and
this energy is giving natural blueprint to bacteria or viruses, to plants and trees, to
animals; why not humans? Right? Where is our question. Why not humans?
Yes, this energy has the ability to give you that natural blueprint, like the car not
starting. What that jumpstart is doing? Jumpstart is giving the natural blueprint
to the car. The car was working without any foreign support – without outside
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Debra: Right. Excellent! Well, thank you so much. And I know that you’re busy. Do
you have time to talk a little bit more, or it is fine with me if we can continue, but
Debra, how is your timeline?
Guruji: Yeah, I think we can talk for another 10–15 minutes, if you have the question
from your callers, from your audience.
Debra: Yes. You have answered several of them just by exactly what you had just said:
talking about raising that vibration, raising that consciousness, giving them the
opportunity to reconnect with that blueprint.
It’s kind of like, what the blueprint said that you were supposed to be – what was
your life purpose? What were your gifts and abilities? What were all those
things that the blueprint came from? And we’ve kind of got off the blueprint.
Things have affected us. We have allowed things to affect us.
Or it has happened, like with what you’re talking about with the land. When they
start doing things to the land that was never a part of the blueprint for the land, so
that what you’re doing is energetically reviving and bringing back the energy of
what was that original blueprint. Am I correct?
Guruji: Yeah, right. You are absolutely correct. Another analogy we can say, like the
people like you, our ancestors and mostly the transformational leaders, they
taught that there should be the alignment between earth and nature. If we get
that alignment, then nature will start supporting you, will start giving you
everything, be full of richness.
Like if you are driving a boat in a river, and if you are driving your boat against
the flow of the water then it takes lots of energy and lots of time and the
accomplishment is very small. Well, okay, you traveled one mile. But if you start
driving your boat with the flow of the water, then you have to just pay a little
attention how to balance your boat, and you have not to use more energy.
Similarly, for all of us, you do some reason fear resisting the nature. We are not
permitting the nature to flow through us. What is the reason, and how we can
permit the nature to flow through us? There should be the alignment at the level
of energy, at the level of vibrations, at the level of the frequency.
And everything in this universe is consciousness and energy. So the question
here like the individual consciousness and universal consciousness, when these
two are on the same frequency, you are part of the nature, part of the universe;
you can enjoy the gift of the universe, the gift of the nature because you are
vibrating with the same frequency.
There is resonance, right. People, they know that, yes, we should enjoy the
nature, and I have seen some really people who are living in the forest and who
go to the forest and started hugging the trees. Unfortunately, they are confused
people and their consciousness really very low.
They have no understanding of the science that nowadays hugging the trees is
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getting anything. There is nothing like exchanged. Only the gift you can get that
millions of bacteria and viruses you can take from those plants and trees, they
have lots of disease.
Nature, to enjoy nature, doesn’t mean go and hug the trees. Please go and hug
your boyfriend, girlfriend, your partner, companion, your spouse. This is the best
idea. There is no exchange of bacteria and viruses. You can enjoy the clean
body and the spirit and soul and mind and all of the things. Enjoying the nature
means you need to raise your consciousness at one point where you can start
resonating – resonate with the universe.
Debra: Okay.
Guruji: Individual consciousness – so they start vibrating with the universal
consciousness – that’s it! Now the universe is ready to reward you, to gift you all
the richness, and that is the light of the god, and that way you can kick out the
darkness in your life.
Debra: And even that – you’re talking vibration. The vibration of sickness is low. The
vibration of fear is the lowest.
Guruji: Yes.
Debra: The vibration of love and caring and what you’re saying is very high, right?
Guruji: Yeah, definitely.
Debra: One of our questions, and we’ll probably end with this one just because I know
that your time is short, and I thank you so much for giving us extra time, Guruji.
And one of our ladies, Gina, was asking – she has had one of the blessings
online and was just wondering has the foundation or any of your people ever
started any of the experimentation or maybe running a study to find out the real
results of people that have received your transmission over the Internet?
Because I know it’s possible for people to have before and after diagnoses from
their doctor, because that’s all scientific, and maybe the only thing that they have
done is the three blessings. She was just wondering have you thought about
starting into a study of getting results from people that you have had energy
transmissions or blessings with on the Internet?
Guruji: Yes, in the month of June this year, 2011, for around 500 people we have done
the study that is called the subjective analysis and objective analysis. Subjective
analysis like so many things like your quality of sleep, your anxiety, your
depression, your relationships, your fear from the future, your mind chattering,
your calmness, the new confidence or high confidence – all these things – your
financial gain, your well being, your happiness, your sadness, everything. That is
part of the subjective analysis that we have done in detail.
And the medical team – right, the doctors – the team of the doctors in fact, they
just yesterday informed me that they are getting very exponential high graph that
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looking for the objective analysis. Like the doctors, they took the blood before
they treat and after 72 hours again they took the blood samples.
So they are trying to see the variation, the difference between three days and
several hormones. They are measuring several hormones. The hormones
related to happiness; hormones related to so many disorders. So they just
informed me that we will get tomorrow, but ‘til today and all the time we are
getting the testimony from the people that they were suffering from insomnia of
20 years, and now they are enjoying the sleep like the baby.
We are getting all the time this type of survey and this type of testimony. Every
week we are getting hundreds of testimonies – every week.
Debra: Oh, I’m excited about that.
Guruji: You can see every day on our Facebook the new testimonies, people there are
posting that their lives, it’s a life-changing experience, and really first time they
are enjoying their life.
And especially females, yes, “Guruji, after this blessing, first time I am enjoying
the sex. Really, I’m able to reach on climax. I started getting orgasm.” Different
types of testimony, right? Everything. Ability to have happiness. Everything has
something to add in the arena of your happiness. Right? So I think – thank you
very much, all of you.
Debra: Fabulous! It’ll be so exciting to get the before and after from the doctors. But I
just – I thank you so much for being with us today and especially for you offering
extra time, which is always wonderful.
Poneman: And we thank you for all the wonderful work that you’re doing.
Guruji: Thank you very much, everybody here.
Debra: Bye-bye now. Bye-bye, Debra.
Have a wonderful rest of your day. This is Deb Thompson, Living Energy Secrets
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