Collective   vs.   individual Wikipedia  The state  of the Web 2.0 Social Networks, et.al.
Lanier-   Digital Maoism
The growth  of the collective Current misconceptions: The collective is all wise It is desirable to have few coordinating actors Not to be mistaken with democracy or meritocracy—closer to extreme political tendencies.
Wikipedia =  not that great Lacks an editorial voice decontextualizes The knowledge was already out there There is no authorship (good writing is more than accuracy) Strong in changing topics  Most likely it won’t correct its own mistakes
Aggregation  instead of  Authorship Aggregating sites are  “consensus Web filters” They tend to filter according to popularity (ice cream vs. Earthquake) Accumulated page layers create a  meaningless murk
The race to be the  highest level aggregator The info. we receive  is what  a  collectivity algorithm  derives from what  other  derived from what  collectives chose  from  amateur writers . Value comes from real humans
The threat of the   Hive Mind There’s no one taking responsibility Remove the scent of people    simulate that the content emerges directly from the Web “ people become  uncritical and dim  to make these sites become coherent” - Do you think it’s true? Are standards lowered?
Time & speed   in the   collective Can move too quickly: “ mind grazing tendency ” Can change incessantly matters that need to be settled Might move in the right direction but too slowly  Lack of rules can slow its development
Dangers  of the  Hive Mind Empowering has resulted in “nasty hive mind outbursts” – Maoist , Fascist & religious fanatism “ Good enough”  is a dangerous illusion.
Collective thought  is becoming  mainstream Good authorship is out of style.  The aggregator is  richer  than the aggregated.  Blogging is easy  crowd pleasing Popularity dictates the trends & alternatives are left outside (American Idol)
Collective thought  is becoming  mainstream This way of thinking is  going further  than the Internet Technology is a good seller. Privilege of collective knowledge over ideas.  Minimizes risks & responsibilities.
Collective  vs.  Individual Wisdom of the crowd  is real & useful Shouldn’t define its own questions Good for info. that can be evaluated by fixed parameters Open source is very efficient in engineering Bad in taste & judgement Needs  information   filters Can help keep individuals in check Good for user interfaces and experiences. Intelligent thought is needed for science, design, lawmaking, aesthetics.
Mixing  is  best Both kinds of intelligences are essential “ The best examples of collective intelligences are those that are guided by well-meaning individuals”  “ Clever individuals ask the questions and the collective behavior answers them ”
Responses! Lanier’s essay triggered much needed explanations and clarifications
Understanding   Wikipedia
Understanding   Wikipedia Nor the  Wikipedia , or any other collective entities, are pure hive mind. Wikipedia has an  elite at is center , and a lot of deliberate design management going on.  –KK “ It is an engaged community that uses a large and growing number of  regulatory mechanisms  to manage a huge set of proposed edits. Anonymous additions are subjected to a higher degree of control.”  –CSh W. provides the  transparency  that almost no other system offers, by giving full context of the discussion on any entry in the “talk pages”.  This  publicly available context  distinguishes it from algorithmic or market-based aggregation.  -FV&MW
Understanding   Wikipedia Its uniqueness also resides in its  shared policy , providing guidelines to the situations that emerge in editing.   -FV&MW Crowd editing  usually comes with current events, and plummets after the event loses media exposure, and the core group of editors takes over.   -FV&MW Authoring at here, as everywhere, is done by individuals exercising  the judgment of their own minds .   –JW
Understanding   Wikipedia It does not  overthrow any elite- -it replaces the academic elite with the interactive media one.- DR Its flaws are real, but worth enduring because we can watch the community operate. – DG W. is great not only because it gives an averaged view that is better than an authoritative statement by experts.  It also  organizes enormous amounts of labor  for a single intellectual purpose. – LS It was created in almost no time, for almost no cost, by people who had  no access to the traditional cannon . – CD
Understanding   Wikipedia 10 years ago it would’ve been seen as impossible, and now the product of  well-intentioned individuals  is being compared with the highest standards. – YB It allows learning about the discussions that go  under the task of defining “truth”  —since truth is an illusion and there’s always more than one approach to any issue. – CD The 2006  Wikipedia  template might not be good for of other kinds of information of creative works, but the 2056 one may. - KK
Criteria  /  Literacy
Criteria  /  Literacy User-created databases cannot be used with  blind confidence . – DR We need to respect and  preserve our own intelligence . The dangers of relinquishing individual intelligence are real. – GD We need to  update our   media literacy .  Our critical thinking fell into a low level of use in the Big Media world.- DG “ We  need better tools  to help the community judge reliability and authenticity. (Harris)  Reputation  has to become part of the mix. - DG
Criteria  /  Literacy Reading  Wikipedia  is a media literacy exercise.  –CD A system needs to be designed to guard against  mediocre or malicious contributions  through filters.  –YB What is successful filtering? Aggregation is just one more example of the problem of the  excess of information  & what is managed to be heard.  –QH Since  social life involves a tension  between individual freedom and group participation, the changes wrought by computers and networks are therefore in tension.  -CSh
Understanding the Hive Mind  /  The Collective
Hive Mind  /  The Collective Collective action  is not the same as  collectivism .  It involves freely chosen self-election and distributed coordination.  Commons-based peer production and open source software is  collective action .  – HR Collectivism  involves coercion and centralized control.  – HR   Collectivism  does exist, but is not inherent in tools, like wikis; or in methods, such as collaboration and aggregation .  – LS All intelligence is collective . – GD
Hive Mind  /  The Collective A networked collaboration is an  ecology of interdependencies,  with status and influences. –DR There are things wrong with each form of collective action, but the  same mistakes are not made  in each of them. -CSh Top-down control is inserted to speed and direct a system toward its goals. Until this era, technology was primarily all control and design.  Now it can be design  and  hive . –KK Wikipedia is an example of the fact that the bottom-up hive mind will take us much further than it seems possible. It also proves that  the hive mind by itself won’t ever take us  to our goal. –KK The issue is more about  community  than a collective. –DG
The   Individual /  Authorship
The   Individual The individual is, too, a  social construction  – DR Markets, governments social relations & platforms are  overlapping systems  within which the individual exists   – YB Authorship   Science and technology’s greatest achievements are articulations of  collective realizations  -not personal accomplishments   –DR Historically, the best way to keep the important things around is to  reduce the barriers  to entry .  –CD
The Cultural   Problem
Cultural   Problem Many current websites have more  aggregation  that original works, but of Western culture since post-modernism exists in the realm of  context and reference .  –DR There is a replacement of the key components of culture by the priorities of  consumer capitalism .  –DR There’s an  industrial system-form  of knowledge and cultural production that causes to the exclusion of social and peer-production.”   –YB
Cultural   Problem Shift to  “Epistemic collectivism”  --  placing the views of the collective uppermost.  It is rooted in relativism: if there is no objective truth that we can be wrong or right about, then there is no way to make sense of expertise or intellectual authority.  –LS Pop culture  has always existed, and doesn’t substitute “the great stuff”- QH
New   Form   of   Production
New   Form   of   Production Network based social production is an  alternative form  to markets, firms and governments . – YB It might be taking us  away from individualism  and back towards folk culture, but it’s also possible that a third thing might be happening . – QH Strong collaboration represents a new kind of  “industrial revolution” for mental effort .  – LS
New   Form  of  Production “ It is also about persistence—and celebrating the reality that knowledge is an  ongoing process .”  - DG The distributed blogosphere can sometimes correct the  mass media failings . – YB The new distributed system is imperfect, but it’s harder to corrupt than the  advertising-supported media  that dominated the 20th century.  – YB
Lanier-  World Wide   Mush
Collectivism  is becoming  the   norm This is the way people are  participating Shift from more  passive  ways Internet  dream come true-  in a way.
The Global   Mush Too many voices  drown each other Everyone knows what work is going on No competition =  less innovation  and diversity Consensus & committee = Dull, average outcome Proprietary development  is still the most successful
Contradicts  the economic trend US shift of its economic strategy Physical labor    intellectual activities Outsource  manufacture Focus on  intellectual property  (design, entertainment, etc)
The framework   isn’t working Intellectual property  impedes information flow & sharing The ‘ open ’ paradigm = give away your brain’s work for kudos Only a handful are making a living The  big players  will still make money The rest will be forced to work for sole recognition
The framework   isn’t working Intellectual work produced  for free     the author gets  recognition      he becomes  branded      he cashes in by doing alternative  ( physical ) work     This work is  threatened  by  technology . It should be creating better jobs for people
The fallacy   of collectivism Extending the experience of childhood Naïve idea of fairness Aggregation  shouldn’t substitute energy Young people   fierce, competitive individuals that innovate and earn royalties.  Q:  does the market allow for more benefit than collective work?
The Digital   Given Ten Web 2.0 Theses more questions raised than answered
0.  Internet is neither the problem  nor the solution The virtual is the everyday Is it “an indiferent bystander”? Does it play an actual role?
The Web is out of the guilt   in the financial crisis Is it really not affected at all? “ There is still hyper-growth werever you look”--How does its growth remain separate from the rest of the system? “ Apps. get lost inside the boring & uncertain life”
2.  Networks  =  social drugs     for   entertainment & diffussion   Entertainment  --  Is this a new phenomenon, or was it there all along? And is it a  bad  thing?  (E) “ Most sites are  echo chambers  of the same old opinions and patterns” Can  conflict manifest  in this giant ‘confort zone’?
3.  SN=   fashion victims   of   impulsive grazing mentality “ What the online world needs is  sustainable social relations ” Scaleabiltiy  is achieved, but  sustainability  is also needed for change  What can a network do to foster truly  diverse communities ? What has made FB remain the ‘ meadow of choice ’ for so long?
4.  Are there collective concepts   of the   networked masses ? “ Better SN are  organized networks  involving better individuals” Friend  and  tweet  don’t signal  intelligence , creativity or socialism. Imagination for  transformation     Let’s kill the click   Can everybody be a  concept designer ? Do older generations have a harder time grasping networked collectivity? Is collaborative thought a given for our generation?
5.  The Web lacks   antagonistic    linkage Where is the  enemy  on the Web? Are SN  the only ways to link ? How about hacking, phishing, bombing?
6.  Social networks   are   very real Real activity goes on that takes a toll on  productivity and time . All this hard work hasn’t made any substantial  change .
7.  The network     won’t be revolutionized “ There is  no fertile ground  for social transformation in the Web” Why??? Is it a reflection of the  larger social reality ?
8.  There’s nothing free     about the Web. “ Free is just another word for  service economies” We are limited by our capacity as  data producers
9.  The Web is fueled   by the     endless growth of consumerism We have to ellaborate technologies for a  finite world Can “ insane development ” on the Web eat the system up?
10.  We need     complex digital identities Is the obsession with  virtual identity  opposite to real identity development? Is a fake persona the solution to outsmarting the control society?
Is it really harder for older generations to understand collective thought?

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  • 1.
    Collective vs. individual Wikipedia The state of the Web 2.0 Social Networks, et.al.
  • 2.
    Lanier- Digital Maoism
  • 3.
    The growth of the collective Current misconceptions: The collective is all wise It is desirable to have few coordinating actors Not to be mistaken with democracy or meritocracy—closer to extreme political tendencies.
  • 4.
    Wikipedia = not that great Lacks an editorial voice decontextualizes The knowledge was already out there There is no authorship (good writing is more than accuracy) Strong in changing topics Most likely it won’t correct its own mistakes
  • 5.
    Aggregation insteadof Authorship Aggregating sites are “consensus Web filters” They tend to filter according to popularity (ice cream vs. Earthquake) Accumulated page layers create a meaningless murk
  • 6.
    The race tobe the highest level aggregator The info. we receive is what a collectivity algorithm derives from what other derived from what collectives chose from amateur writers . Value comes from real humans
  • 7.
    The threat ofthe Hive Mind There’s no one taking responsibility Remove the scent of people  simulate that the content emerges directly from the Web “ people become uncritical and dim to make these sites become coherent” - Do you think it’s true? Are standards lowered?
  • 8.
    Time & speed in the collective Can move too quickly: “ mind grazing tendency ” Can change incessantly matters that need to be settled Might move in the right direction but too slowly Lack of rules can slow its development
  • 9.
    Dangers ofthe Hive Mind Empowering has resulted in “nasty hive mind outbursts” – Maoist , Fascist & religious fanatism “ Good enough” is a dangerous illusion.
  • 10.
    Collective thought is becoming mainstream Good authorship is out of style. The aggregator is richer than the aggregated. Blogging is easy crowd pleasing Popularity dictates the trends & alternatives are left outside (American Idol)
  • 11.
    Collective thought is becoming mainstream This way of thinking is going further than the Internet Technology is a good seller. Privilege of collective knowledge over ideas. Minimizes risks & responsibilities.
  • 12.
    Collective vs. Individual Wisdom of the crowd is real & useful Shouldn’t define its own questions Good for info. that can be evaluated by fixed parameters Open source is very efficient in engineering Bad in taste & judgement Needs information filters Can help keep individuals in check Good for user interfaces and experiences. Intelligent thought is needed for science, design, lawmaking, aesthetics.
  • 13.
    Mixing is best Both kinds of intelligences are essential “ The best examples of collective intelligences are those that are guided by well-meaning individuals” “ Clever individuals ask the questions and the collective behavior answers them ”
  • 14.
    Responses! Lanier’s essaytriggered much needed explanations and clarifications
  • 15.
    Understanding Wikipedia
  • 16.
    Understanding Wikipedia Nor the Wikipedia , or any other collective entities, are pure hive mind. Wikipedia has an elite at is center , and a lot of deliberate design management going on. –KK “ It is an engaged community that uses a large and growing number of regulatory mechanisms to manage a huge set of proposed edits. Anonymous additions are subjected to a higher degree of control.” –CSh W. provides the transparency that almost no other system offers, by giving full context of the discussion on any entry in the “talk pages”. This publicly available context distinguishes it from algorithmic or market-based aggregation. -FV&MW
  • 17.
    Understanding Wikipedia Its uniqueness also resides in its shared policy , providing guidelines to the situations that emerge in editing. -FV&MW Crowd editing usually comes with current events, and plummets after the event loses media exposure, and the core group of editors takes over. -FV&MW Authoring at here, as everywhere, is done by individuals exercising the judgment of their own minds . –JW
  • 18.
    Understanding Wikipedia It does not overthrow any elite- -it replaces the academic elite with the interactive media one.- DR Its flaws are real, but worth enduring because we can watch the community operate. – DG W. is great not only because it gives an averaged view that is better than an authoritative statement by experts. It also organizes enormous amounts of labor for a single intellectual purpose. – LS It was created in almost no time, for almost no cost, by people who had no access to the traditional cannon . – CD
  • 19.
    Understanding Wikipedia 10 years ago it would’ve been seen as impossible, and now the product of well-intentioned individuals is being compared with the highest standards. – YB It allows learning about the discussions that go under the task of defining “truth” —since truth is an illusion and there’s always more than one approach to any issue. – CD The 2006 Wikipedia template might not be good for of other kinds of information of creative works, but the 2056 one may. - KK
  • 20.
    Criteria / Literacy
  • 21.
    Criteria / Literacy User-created databases cannot be used with blind confidence . – DR We need to respect and preserve our own intelligence . The dangers of relinquishing individual intelligence are real. – GD We need to update our media literacy . Our critical thinking fell into a low level of use in the Big Media world.- DG “ We need better tools to help the community judge reliability and authenticity. (Harris) Reputation has to become part of the mix. - DG
  • 22.
    Criteria / Literacy Reading Wikipedia is a media literacy exercise. –CD A system needs to be designed to guard against mediocre or malicious contributions through filters. –YB What is successful filtering? Aggregation is just one more example of the problem of the excess of information & what is managed to be heard. –QH Since social life involves a tension between individual freedom and group participation, the changes wrought by computers and networks are therefore in tension. -CSh
  • 23.
    Understanding the HiveMind / The Collective
  • 24.
    Hive Mind / The Collective Collective action is not the same as collectivism . It involves freely chosen self-election and distributed coordination. Commons-based peer production and open source software is collective action . – HR Collectivism involves coercion and centralized control. – HR Collectivism does exist, but is not inherent in tools, like wikis; or in methods, such as collaboration and aggregation . – LS All intelligence is collective . – GD
  • 25.
    Hive Mind / The Collective A networked collaboration is an ecology of interdependencies, with status and influences. –DR There are things wrong with each form of collective action, but the same mistakes are not made in each of them. -CSh Top-down control is inserted to speed and direct a system toward its goals. Until this era, technology was primarily all control and design. Now it can be design and hive . –KK Wikipedia is an example of the fact that the bottom-up hive mind will take us much further than it seems possible. It also proves that the hive mind by itself won’t ever take us to our goal. –KK The issue is more about community than a collective. –DG
  • 26.
    The Individual / Authorship
  • 27.
    The Individual The individual is, too, a social construction – DR Markets, governments social relations & platforms are overlapping systems within which the individual exists – YB Authorship Science and technology’s greatest achievements are articulations of collective realizations -not personal accomplishments –DR Historically, the best way to keep the important things around is to reduce the barriers to entry . –CD
  • 28.
  • 29.
    Cultural Problem Many current websites have more aggregation that original works, but of Western culture since post-modernism exists in the realm of context and reference . –DR There is a replacement of the key components of culture by the priorities of consumer capitalism . –DR There’s an industrial system-form of knowledge and cultural production that causes to the exclusion of social and peer-production.” –YB
  • 30.
    Cultural Problem Shift to “Epistemic collectivism” -- placing the views of the collective uppermost. It is rooted in relativism: if there is no objective truth that we can be wrong or right about, then there is no way to make sense of expertise or intellectual authority. –LS Pop culture has always existed, and doesn’t substitute “the great stuff”- QH
  • 31.
    New Form of Production
  • 32.
    New Form of Production Network based social production is an alternative form to markets, firms and governments . – YB It might be taking us away from individualism and back towards folk culture, but it’s also possible that a third thing might be happening . – QH Strong collaboration represents a new kind of “industrial revolution” for mental effort . – LS
  • 33.
    New Form of Production “ It is also about persistence—and celebrating the reality that knowledge is an ongoing process .” - DG The distributed blogosphere can sometimes correct the mass media failings . – YB The new distributed system is imperfect, but it’s harder to corrupt than the advertising-supported media that dominated the 20th century. – YB
  • 34.
    Lanier- WorldWide Mush
  • 35.
    Collectivism isbecoming the norm This is the way people are participating Shift from more passive ways Internet dream come true- in a way.
  • 36.
    The Global Mush Too many voices drown each other Everyone knows what work is going on No competition = less innovation and diversity Consensus & committee = Dull, average outcome Proprietary development is still the most successful
  • 37.
    Contradicts theeconomic trend US shift of its economic strategy Physical labor  intellectual activities Outsource manufacture Focus on intellectual property (design, entertainment, etc)
  • 38.
    The framework isn’t working Intellectual property impedes information flow & sharing The ‘ open ’ paradigm = give away your brain’s work for kudos Only a handful are making a living The big players will still make money The rest will be forced to work for sole recognition
  • 39.
    The framework isn’t working Intellectual work produced for free  the author gets recognition  he becomes branded  he cashes in by doing alternative ( physical ) work  This work is threatened by technology . It should be creating better jobs for people
  • 40.
    The fallacy of collectivism Extending the experience of childhood Naïve idea of fairness Aggregation shouldn’t substitute energy Young people  fierce, competitive individuals that innovate and earn royalties. Q: does the market allow for more benefit than collective work?
  • 41.
    The Digital Given Ten Web 2.0 Theses more questions raised than answered
  • 42.
    0. Internetis neither the problem nor the solution The virtual is the everyday Is it “an indiferent bystander”? Does it play an actual role?
  • 43.
    The Web isout of the guilt in the financial crisis Is it really not affected at all? “ There is still hyper-growth werever you look”--How does its growth remain separate from the rest of the system? “ Apps. get lost inside the boring & uncertain life”
  • 44.
    2. Networks = social drugs for entertainment & diffussion Entertainment -- Is this a new phenomenon, or was it there all along? And is it a bad thing? (E) “ Most sites are echo chambers of the same old opinions and patterns” Can conflict manifest in this giant ‘confort zone’?
  • 45.
    3. SN= fashion victims of impulsive grazing mentality “ What the online world needs is sustainable social relations ” Scaleabiltiy is achieved, but sustainability is also needed for change What can a network do to foster truly diverse communities ? What has made FB remain the ‘ meadow of choice ’ for so long?
  • 46.
    4. Arethere collective concepts of the networked masses ? “ Better SN are organized networks involving better individuals” Friend and tweet don’t signal intelligence , creativity or socialism. Imagination for transformation  Let’s kill the click Can everybody be a concept designer ? Do older generations have a harder time grasping networked collectivity? Is collaborative thought a given for our generation?
  • 47.
    5. TheWeb lacks antagonistic linkage Where is the enemy on the Web? Are SN the only ways to link ? How about hacking, phishing, bombing?
  • 48.
    6. Socialnetworks are very real Real activity goes on that takes a toll on productivity and time . All this hard work hasn’t made any substantial change .
  • 49.
    7. Thenetwork won’t be revolutionized “ There is no fertile ground for social transformation in the Web” Why??? Is it a reflection of the larger social reality ?
  • 50.
    8. There’snothing free about the Web. “ Free is just another word for service economies” We are limited by our capacity as data producers
  • 51.
    9. TheWeb is fueled by the endless growth of consumerism We have to ellaborate technologies for a finite world Can “ insane development ” on the Web eat the system up?
  • 52.
    10. Weneed complex digital identities Is the obsession with virtual identity opposite to real identity development? Is a fake persona the solution to outsmarting the control society?
  • 53.
    Is it reallyharder for older generations to understand collective thought?