What Do Ageing Populations Have To Do With The
       Edward Hugh                Sovereign Debt Crisis?
       Vienna, March 2013
                                “No other force is likely to shape the future of national
 The real “debt cliff” is       economic health, public finances, and policymaking as
 looming over the next 10       the irreversible rate at which the world's population is
 to 20 years.                   aging” - Standard & Poor’s 2010

 The key factors in this race
 to the edge will be:

 • Pace of Reform
 • Rates of Economic
   Growth
 • Rates of Interest


“Come gather 'round people
Wherever you roam And
admit that the waters Around
you have grown And accept it
that soon You'll be drenched
to the bone”
Baseline Case - No Reform
“For all sovereigns in the study, burgeoning deficit ratios are expected to push the
median net debt ratio to around 245% of GDP in 2050, from below 40% of GDP
currently, as the snowball effect of rising interest payments accelerates the negative
budgetary impact. During the same period, the median debt for advanced
sovereigns under the "no-policy change" scenario grows almost five-fold to more
than 300% of GDP”.
S&P’s, 2010

Obviously there will be
reform,But how much and
how quickly?

At present voters don’t
seem to be too keen.
 “If your time to you Is
 worth savin‘ Then you
 better start swimmin‘ Or
 you'll sink like a stone
 …….For the times they are
 a changin‘”.
Viewed In historical terms population structures really are
changing extraordinarily quickly.
The Growth Outlook
                                       There is an accumulating volume of
                                       evidence that as societies age they
                                       lose growth momentum. Italy and
                                       Japan are two of the oldest
                                       societies on earth. Portugal is a
                                       typical aging European society.


 “Come mothers and fathers
 Throughout the land And don't
 criticize What you can't understand
 Your sons and your daughters Are
 beyond your command Your old
 road is Rapidly agin “

                                       Structural reforms can help offset
                                       some of this, but growth rates look
                                       set to fall towards zero and then
                                       beyond. Some ecologists have
                                       argued for a “zero growth” society.
                                       Will they like the new world when
                                       they get to really see it?
“And while there is much
shaking of heads about
Japanese debt, the ill-effects
if any of that debt are by no
means obvious.”
Paul Krugman

   Oh Really!!!!
Interest Rates


                                       Some Countries Are
                                       Improving Their Credit Rating
                                       – Mainly Emerging Markets
While Others – Largely
Developed Economies – See
Their’s Steadily Worsening




 “Come gather round people, throughout the land, and don’t criticise what you can’t
 understand, the times they are a’changin”.
What Demographic Revolution?
                      Almost all populations globally are aging.

                      This is a result of both declining fertility
                      and rising life expectancy. In the
                      developed countries the situation
                      becomes acute since fertility falls (often)
                      well blow replacement and stays there for
                      decades.
Not All Developed Countries Are Aging At An Equal Rate


                                       Some European
                                       societies are getting
                                       older much more
                                       rapidly than others.




Most emerging market and
less developed economy
countries are also aging,
but they are still quite
young. EMs are normally
“older” than LDCs.
As far as we are able to understand the issue at this point,
population ageing will have major economic impacts and these can
be categorised under four main headings:


 i) ageing will affect the size of the working age population, and with this the
level of trend economic growth in one country after another

 ii) ageing will affect patterns of national saving and borrowing, and with
these the directions and magnitudes of global capital flows

iii) through the saving and borrowing path the process can influence values
of key assets like housing and equities

iv) through changes in the dependency ratio, ageing will influence pressure
on global sovereign debt, producing significant changes in ranking as
between developed and emerging economies.
Importance Of The Prime Age Groups

There are basically three important age groups – prime borrowers, prime savers, and
prime age workers. The proportions between these three groups in any given society
seem key pieces of economic data, yet few studies even consider them.

Estimates of the exact age extension of the different groups vary, but 25-40 would be a
good rule of thumb measure of the borrowing range, 40 to 55 for the peak savers, and
35 to 50 for the prime age workers.

Beyond this, the question is an empirical one of measuring and testing to determine
more precise boundaries and frontiers.

For every country the proportion of each of these key groups peaks at a given moment
in time. Where these actual age brackets lie, and the extent to which they may overlap,
is still a subject of some controversy,

One of the key points to grasp, is that the proportion the population which is to be
found in one of the ‘prime’ age groups at a given moment in time, is absolutely critical,
and much more important for understanding the processes at work than the mere size
of the working age population.
Disruptive Feedback Mechanisms – The Spanish Case
                            Spain is
                            suffering from a
                            clear case of
                            “self reinforcing
                            problem” illness


Unemployment rises                              Credit is scarce
and rieses since the                            as there is little
economy is “broken”.                            solvent
House prices fall, and                          demand, and
the number of bad loans                         young
rise.                                           educated
                                                people leave.
                          With growing
                          numbers of
                          pensions, and
                          ever fewer
                          contributors the
                          pension system
                          becomes
                          unsustainable.
What Will The World Look Like After Japan Hits The Wall?




                     The line it is drawn The curse it is cast The slow one
                     now Will later be fast As the present now Will later be
                     past The order is Rapidly fadin‘ And the first one now
                     Will later be last For the times they are a-changin'.

Sovereign debt crisis and demography

  • 1.
    What Do AgeingPopulations Have To Do With The Edward Hugh Sovereign Debt Crisis? Vienna, March 2013 “No other force is likely to shape the future of national The real “debt cliff” is economic health, public finances, and policymaking as looming over the next 10 the irreversible rate at which the world's population is to 20 years. aging” - Standard & Poor’s 2010 The key factors in this race to the edge will be: • Pace of Reform • Rates of Economic Growth • Rates of Interest “Come gather 'round people Wherever you roam And admit that the waters Around you have grown And accept it that soon You'll be drenched to the bone”
  • 2.
    Baseline Case -No Reform “For all sovereigns in the study, burgeoning deficit ratios are expected to push the median net debt ratio to around 245% of GDP in 2050, from below 40% of GDP currently, as the snowball effect of rising interest payments accelerates the negative budgetary impact. During the same period, the median debt for advanced sovereigns under the "no-policy change" scenario grows almost five-fold to more than 300% of GDP”. S&P’s, 2010 Obviously there will be reform,But how much and how quickly? At present voters don’t seem to be too keen. “If your time to you Is worth savin‘ Then you better start swimmin‘ Or you'll sink like a stone …….For the times they are a changin‘”.
  • 3.
    Viewed In historicalterms population structures really are changing extraordinarily quickly.
  • 4.
    The Growth Outlook There is an accumulating volume of evidence that as societies age they lose growth momentum. Italy and Japan are two of the oldest societies on earth. Portugal is a typical aging European society. “Come mothers and fathers Throughout the land And don't criticize What you can't understand Your sons and your daughters Are beyond your command Your old road is Rapidly agin “ Structural reforms can help offset some of this, but growth rates look set to fall towards zero and then beyond. Some ecologists have argued for a “zero growth” society. Will they like the new world when they get to really see it?
  • 5.
    “And while thereis much shaking of heads about Japanese debt, the ill-effects if any of that debt are by no means obvious.” Paul Krugman Oh Really!!!!
  • 6.
    Interest Rates Some Countries Are Improving Their Credit Rating – Mainly Emerging Markets While Others – Largely Developed Economies – See Their’s Steadily Worsening “Come gather round people, throughout the land, and don’t criticise what you can’t understand, the times they are a’changin”.
  • 7.
    What Demographic Revolution? Almost all populations globally are aging. This is a result of both declining fertility and rising life expectancy. In the developed countries the situation becomes acute since fertility falls (often) well blow replacement and stays there for decades.
  • 8.
    Not All DevelopedCountries Are Aging At An Equal Rate Some European societies are getting older much more rapidly than others. Most emerging market and less developed economy countries are also aging, but they are still quite young. EMs are normally “older” than LDCs.
  • 9.
    As far aswe are able to understand the issue at this point, population ageing will have major economic impacts and these can be categorised under four main headings: i) ageing will affect the size of the working age population, and with this the level of trend economic growth in one country after another ii) ageing will affect patterns of national saving and borrowing, and with these the directions and magnitudes of global capital flows iii) through the saving and borrowing path the process can influence values of key assets like housing and equities iv) through changes in the dependency ratio, ageing will influence pressure on global sovereign debt, producing significant changes in ranking as between developed and emerging economies.
  • 10.
    Importance Of ThePrime Age Groups There are basically three important age groups – prime borrowers, prime savers, and prime age workers. The proportions between these three groups in any given society seem key pieces of economic data, yet few studies even consider them. Estimates of the exact age extension of the different groups vary, but 25-40 would be a good rule of thumb measure of the borrowing range, 40 to 55 for the peak savers, and 35 to 50 for the prime age workers. Beyond this, the question is an empirical one of measuring and testing to determine more precise boundaries and frontiers. For every country the proportion of each of these key groups peaks at a given moment in time. Where these actual age brackets lie, and the extent to which they may overlap, is still a subject of some controversy, One of the key points to grasp, is that the proportion the population which is to be found in one of the ‘prime’ age groups at a given moment in time, is absolutely critical, and much more important for understanding the processes at work than the mere size of the working age population.
  • 11.
    Disruptive Feedback Mechanisms– The Spanish Case Spain is suffering from a clear case of “self reinforcing problem” illness Unemployment rises Credit is scarce and rieses since the as there is little economy is “broken”. solvent House prices fall, and demand, and the number of bad loans young rise. educated people leave. With growing numbers of pensions, and ever fewer contributors the pension system becomes unsustainable.
  • 12.
    What Will TheWorld Look Like After Japan Hits The Wall? The line it is drawn The curse it is cast The slow one now Will later be fast As the present now Will later be past The order is Rapidly fadin‘ And the first one now Will later be last For the times they are a-changin'.