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Lesson 4 Beware of Greeks Bearing Gifts – The Greek Influence Part 2
11/15/15 1© John R. Wible
• Ancient Greek colonies develop
• Greek “religion” develops
• Philosophy surpasses “religion”
• Socrates
• Plato
• Aristotle
• Aristotelian “Naturalism” in U.S.
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Review
• Ancient Greek colonies develop
• Greek “religion” develops
• Philosophy surpasses “religion”
• Socrates
• Plato
• Aristotle
• Aristotelian “Naturalism” in U.S.
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Review
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Removing the “Stickies”
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A Caveat and A Disclaimer
• Based in materialism
• There is only matter, nothing more
• Denigrated the “gods”
• Dismisses Plato’s “World of Shadows”
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Epicureanism – Epicurus (circa. 307 BC)
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Modern “Materialists” - Marx & Engels, Lenin
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Epicureanism – Moderns Iteration – George Lucas
• Pleasure the greatest good
• Led to Hedonism – “do as you want”
• Early challenger to Platonism
• Later, main opponent of Stoicism
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Epicureanism
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Why do bad things happen to
“good” people?
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The Post-Modern Epicurean Question
In Roman times, the two contenders for
people’s philosophical ideals were:
• Epicureanism
• Stoicism
• Other ideas
were minor
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Two Contenders
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Skepticism - Pyrrho of Elis (365–275 BC)
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Alexander the Great
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Alexander the Great’s Empire (356-323 BC)
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Death of Alexander the Great
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After Alexander – Circa. 323 BC
• Probably most influential on Paul
• Taught in Tarsus by Athenodorus, and
• Athenodorus taught Caesar Augustus,
thus it was adopted by Roman Empire
• Rejected Plato's and Aristotle's “form”
• Determinist, fatalist, practical, & ethical
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Zeno and Stoicism - (334 – c. 262 BC)
• Probably most influential on Paul
• Taught in Tarsus by Athenodorus, and
• Athenodorus taught Caesar Augustus,
thus it was adopted by Roman Empire
• Rejected Plato's and Aristotle's “form”
• Determinist, fatalist, practical, & ethical
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Zeno and Stoicism - (334 – c. 262 BC)
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Modern View of Stoicism
• Stoics taught that the Λόγος logos
created all things
• It literally means, "word", discourse" or
"reason”
• Divine use prefigured in Psalm 33:6
• First used in NT by Luke in 1:1-2
• Used twice by John: 1:1 & 1 John 1:1
• Paul does not use the word in this sense
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The Stoic Λόγος logos
• Stoics taught that the Λόγος logos
created all things
• It literally means, "word", discourse" or
"reason”
• Divine use prefigured in Psalm 33:6
• First used in NT by Luke in 1:1-2
• Used twice by John: 1:1 & 1 John 1:1
• Paul does not use the word in this sense
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The Stoic Λόγος logos
• “Materialistic” vs God-centered
• Monotheistic, but stoic god is the
“Logos,” the creative force in the
universe, ultimately “corporeal”
• Both highly moral
• Stoicism absolutely determinist while
• Christianity has complex idea of God’s
influence in events
• Death is eventual end, not beginning
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Stoicism vs Christianity
• Paul’s Mars Hill Speech quotes Stoic poet,
Aratus of Soli in Cilicia (Note Cilicia)
• See Acts 17:18 and 23
• Audience were Stoics and Epicureans
• The “mockers” were Epicureans
• Doctrines of creation, divine immanence,
spirituality and fatherhood of God, would
be familiar and acceptable to Stoics
• Preaching on Christ, not so much
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Paul and the Stoics
• Idea of “conscience” was Stoic
– Romans 2:15 and 9:1.
• “All things were created through Him
and for Him” an echo of the “Logos”
– Colossians 1:16-17
• However, it was Stoic technique not
philosophy that Paul used
– Rhetorical questions & “straw man”
– Illustrations – athletics and building
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Pauls’ Stoic References and Techniques
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Paul at Mars Hill
. . . But we preach Christ and Him
crucified” 1 Corinthians 1:24
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Paul’s “Gospel”
Let’s Pray About It
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Paul.lesson.4.greek.part.2

  • 1. Lesson 4 Beware of Greeks Bearing Gifts – The Greek Influence Part 2 11/15/15 1© John R. Wible
  • 2. • Ancient Greek colonies develop • Greek “religion” develops • Philosophy surpasses “religion” • Socrates • Plato • Aristotle • Aristotelian “Naturalism” in U.S. 11/15/15 2© John R. Wible Review
  • 3. • Ancient Greek colonies develop • Greek “religion” develops • Philosophy surpasses “religion” • Socrates • Plato • Aristotle • Aristotelian “Naturalism” in U.S. 11/15/15 3© John R. Wible Review
  • 4. 11/15/15 4© John R. Wible Removing the “Stickies”
  • 5. 11/15/15 5© John R. Wible A Caveat and A Disclaimer
  • 6. • Based in materialism • There is only matter, nothing more • Denigrated the “gods” • Dismisses Plato’s “World of Shadows” 11/15/15 6© John R. Wible Epicureanism – Epicurus (circa. 307 BC)
  • 7. 11/15/15 7© John R. Wible
  • 8. 11/15/15 8© John R. Wible Modern “Materialists” - Marx & Engels, Lenin
  • 9. 11/15/15 9© John R. Wible Epicureanism – Moderns Iteration – George Lucas
  • 10. • Pleasure the greatest good • Led to Hedonism – “do as you want” • Early challenger to Platonism • Later, main opponent of Stoicism 11/15/15 10© John R. Wible Epicureanism
  • 11. 11/15/15 11© John R. Wible
  • 12. Why do bad things happen to “good” people? 11/15/15 12© John R. Wible The Post-Modern Epicurean Question
  • 13. In Roman times, the two contenders for people’s philosophical ideals were: • Epicureanism • Stoicism • Other ideas were minor 11/15/15 13© John R. Wible Two Contenders
  • 14. 11/15/15 14© John R. Wible Skepticism - Pyrrho of Elis (365–275 BC)
  • 15. 11/15/15 15© John R. Wible Alexander the Great
  • 16. 11/15/15 16© John R. Wible Alexander the Great’s Empire (356-323 BC)
  • 17. 11/15/15 17© John R. Wible Death of Alexander the Great
  • 18. 11/15/15 18© John R. Wible After Alexander – Circa. 323 BC
  • 19. • Probably most influential on Paul • Taught in Tarsus by Athenodorus, and • Athenodorus taught Caesar Augustus, thus it was adopted by Roman Empire • Rejected Plato's and Aristotle's “form” • Determinist, fatalist, practical, & ethical 11/15/15 19© John R. Wible Zeno and Stoicism - (334 – c. 262 BC)
  • 20. • Probably most influential on Paul • Taught in Tarsus by Athenodorus, and • Athenodorus taught Caesar Augustus, thus it was adopted by Roman Empire • Rejected Plato's and Aristotle's “form” • Determinist, fatalist, practical, & ethical 11/15/15 20© John R. Wible Zeno and Stoicism - (334 – c. 262 BC)
  • 21. 11/15/15 21© John R. Wible Modern View of Stoicism
  • 22. • Stoics taught that the Λόγος logos created all things • It literally means, "word", discourse" or "reason” • Divine use prefigured in Psalm 33:6 • First used in NT by Luke in 1:1-2 • Used twice by John: 1:1 & 1 John 1:1 • Paul does not use the word in this sense 11/15/15 22© John R. Wible The Stoic Λόγος logos
  • 23. • Stoics taught that the Λόγος logos created all things • It literally means, "word", discourse" or "reason” • Divine use prefigured in Psalm 33:6 • First used in NT by Luke in 1:1-2 • Used twice by John: 1:1 & 1 John 1:1 • Paul does not use the word in this sense 11/15/15 23© John R. Wible The Stoic Λόγος logos
  • 24. • “Materialistic” vs God-centered • Monotheistic, but stoic god is the “Logos,” the creative force in the universe, ultimately “corporeal” • Both highly moral • Stoicism absolutely determinist while • Christianity has complex idea of God’s influence in events • Death is eventual end, not beginning 11/15/15 24© John R. Wible Stoicism vs Christianity
  • 25. • Paul’s Mars Hill Speech quotes Stoic poet, Aratus of Soli in Cilicia (Note Cilicia) • See Acts 17:18 and 23 • Audience were Stoics and Epicureans • The “mockers” were Epicureans • Doctrines of creation, divine immanence, spirituality and fatherhood of God, would be familiar and acceptable to Stoics • Preaching on Christ, not so much 11/15/15 25© John R. Wible Paul and the Stoics
  • 26. • Idea of “conscience” was Stoic – Romans 2:15 and 9:1. • “All things were created through Him and for Him” an echo of the “Logos” – Colossians 1:16-17 • However, it was Stoic technique not philosophy that Paul used – Rhetorical questions & “straw man” – Illustrations – athletics and building 11/15/15 26© John R. Wible Pauls’ Stoic References and Techniques
  • 27. 11/15/15 27© John R. Wible Paul at Mars Hill
  • 28. . . . But we preach Christ and Him crucified” 1 Corinthians 1:24 11/15/15 28© John R. Wible Paul’s “Gospel”
  • 29. Let’s Pray About It 11/15/15 29© John R. Wible© John R. Wible