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3. The “Growth” Team Uses the
Product, Rather than People,
to Drive Users through the
Adoption Funnel
Free User Acquisition
Free User Retention
Monetization
Expansion
5. #1: Establish Flow of Free Users for Experimentation
(i.e. new free users per day)
#1 Four Stages of Sequential “North Star” Metrics
Free User Acquisition
Free User Retention
Monetization
Expansion
6. #2: Prove Free User Retention
(i.e. Free User -> WAU %)
#1: Establish Flow of Free Users for Experimentation
(i.e. new free users per day)
#1 Four Stages of Sequential “North Star” Metrics
Free User Acquisition
Free User Retention
Monetization
Expansion
8. #3: Prove Scalable Quality User Acquisition
(i.e. Cost per Quality User)
#2: Prove Free User Retention
(i.e. Free User -> WAU %)
#1: Establish Flow of Free Users for Experimentation
(i.e. new free users per day)
#1 Four Stages of Sequential “North Star” Metrics
Free User Acquisition
Free User Retention
Monetization
Expansion
9. #4: Prove Monetization and Expansion
(i.e. Quality User->Paid User % and Net Dollar Retention)
#3: Prove Scalable Quality User Acquisition
(i.e. Cost per Quality User)
#2: Prove Free User Retention
(i.e. Free User -> WAU %)
#1: Establish Flow of Free Users for Experimentation
(i.e. new free users per day)
#1 Four Stages of Sequential “North Star” Metrics
Free User Acquisition
Free User Retention
Monetization
Expansion
10. #2 High Quality, Rapid, Data-Driven Experimentation
Define and measure the
growth funnel
Analyze through
segmentation
Develop infrastructure for non-
technical resources to run and
analyze experiments
Buyer
Personas
Acquisition
Date
User
Perceptions
Content
Creators
Content
Consumers
Pinterest
https://www.productled.marketing/c/general/need-a-plg-focused-
tech-stack-here-s-our-ultimate-product-led-growth-vendor-landscape
11. Maintain an Experiment Log
Experiment #3
Brief Description
When eSig users submit a signature request to a non-user, prompt the non-user to create an
eSig account.
Owner: Dennis Flacke
Supporting Resources: Christine Khemmich for design support
Business Goal: Increase user acquisition through a scalable, cost efficient viral marketing
program.
Hypothesis: This test will be our first non-incentive viral experiment. We hope the quality of
users will be higher since there is no potential social pressure from an existing user to join and
there should be no fake user risk. Also, with no on-going cost for the program, there is low
bar to the volume of users needed from the campaign to justify keeping it active. We expect
average volume with high activation and MAU retention rates.
Experiment Design: When a non-user receives a signature request from an eSig user and
executes the signature, prompt the non-user with an offer to sign up to eSig for free.
Aggregate the results into the Sharelink medium on our growth dashboard but instrument the
test so that the users acquired through this experiment can be identified separate from other
experiments that are also aggregated into the Sharelink medium.
Success Metrics: A volume of users that elevates the current user contribution of the
Sharelink medium and, in turn, the viral coefficient of eSig combined with high activation rates
and MAU retention rates.
Experiment Limitations: Although we have heard that our competitors saw sizeable
returns from this viral design, our research has shown that we struggle to create value
for signature requestors versus signers. Therefore, we may have limited opportunities
here, especially compared to our competition.
We also run the risk that existing users get upset that we promote eSig to their contacts
without their permission.
Results
1.Test ran from 6/20 to 6/30. Results delivered on July 1st, 2015
2.There were 2,137 signatures executed by non-users during the test period.
3.See “eSig - Growth Action Items 2-4 Results - 2015-06”
Insights: Exciting performance. User creation volume was low but the test was only run
for 1/3 of the month. For the first time, we saw activation rates and MAU retention rates
much higher than the average in the Sharelink medium and on-par with other high
performing mediums.
Next Steps
• Run for a full month
• Optimize the CTA and sign up form
• Should we explore if we can get more users to request signatures?
14. #3 Cross-functional team
How the “growth” team evolves with stage
Seed Stage
(Athletes)
Product
Manager
(w/some Paid
Marketing skills)
Engineer
(w/ some design
skills)
Marketer
Data Analyst
Designer
PM
CSM
Engineer
Engineer
Designer Engineer
Engineer
(w/ some data
analyst skills)
Series A-B Stage
(Specialists by Function)
Marketer
Designer
PM
CSM
Engineer
Engineer
Series C-D Stage
(Cross-Functional Teams Organized by Feature)
VP of Growth
Feature A
Marketer
Designer
PM
CSM
Engineer
Engineer
Feature B
Marketer
Data Analyst
Designer
PM
CSM
Engineer
Engineer
Feature C
Data Analyst
Data Analyst
16. Growth Team Reports into Marketing vs. Product (or the CEO)
CEO
Marketing Sales Engineering Product
Growth
Growth Team Limited to User Acquisition
1. Engineers don’t want to work in Marketing
2. Growth team limited to Marketing resources
3. Growth experiments limited to user acquisition
4. Competition beats you
CEO
Marketing Sales Engineering
Product
Growth*
Growth Team Impacts Entire Funnel
1. Growth team is cross-functional
2. Growth experiments across entire funnel
3. You beat competition
*A common concern with this approach is that the marketers on the growth team will be turned into Product
Marketers, tasked with documenting product features. However, that approach is not correct. Product
organizations using the above approach segment the department into Core Product, which owns product roadmap,
and Growth, which owns the user adoption funnel. Marketers on the Core Product team tend to be Product
Marketers. Marketers on the Growth team drive the funnel.
Mistake #1
17. Mistake #2
Scale Sales Team Disproportionately to Growth Funnel
Scaling Sales Team Faster than Growth Funnel
1. Sales team scales faster than the Growth funnel
2. Product Qualified Leads (PQLs) per Salesperson declines
3. Salespeople call free users before users can adopt the product
4. Funnel transitions from Adopt-Before-Buy to Buy-Before-Adopt
5. CAC increases. User retention decreases. Expansion decreases.
Scaling Growth Funnel Faster than Sales Team
1. Growth funnel scales faster than the Sales team
2. Product Qualified Leads (PQLs) per Salesperson increases
3. Free users adopt the product deeper before salespeople reach out
4. Adopt-Before-Buy behavior strengthens
5. CAC decreases. User retention increases. Expansion increases.
18. RESULTS WITH A SALES-LED COMP PLAN
Salesperson compensated more for first revenue from a customer and little to none for expansion revenue
BUYER
“I’d like to
upgrade my
account to the
Pro version”
SELLER
“You need to
upgrade your entire
team to Pro.”
High CAC
Low Retention
Low Expansion
BUY BEFORE ADOPT
RESULTS WITH A PRODUCT-LED COMP PLAN*
Salesperson compensated more for expansion revenue than first revenue from a customer
BUYER
“I’d like to
upgrade my
account to the
Pro version”
SELLER
“Great! Can we also
get your team setup
with free accounts?”
ADOPT BEFORE BUY
Sales Commission Plan Designed for Sales-Led-Growth vs. PLG
Mistake #3
Low CAC
High Retention
High Expansion
*A common concern with this approach is turning your hunting salespeople into CSMs. I am not implying that change. The CSM should continue to own the onboarding, retention, and even potentially the expansion of the account. This plan simply incents the
salesperson to set good expectations with the first user and let future users move through the PLG adoption funnel. There are ways to create a shared compensation structure so both the hunting salesperson and CSM benefit as the account expands.
19. Mistake #4
Pricing that Creates Friction for Free User Adoption and Virality
BAD GOOD BETTER BEST
Ah- hah
Moment
End User Adoption
Setup
Power
User
User #2
User #3
User #4
Enterprise
Integration
3 Messages
1 MB
1 Day Trial
500 Messages
1 GB
30 Day Trial
Unlimited Usage
Up to 5 Users
User Role Admin
Tech Stack Integration
Enterprise Security
Executive Reporting
Team Adoption
Enterprise Adoption
Where to implement the paid tier?
20. What if we try PLG and fail?
⮚ End up with a very easy to adopt and use product
⮚ Transition to Sales-Led-Growth
⮚ No longer paranoid about PLG attackers
21. Waiting to Implement PLG
As a business acquires revenue and customers,
implementing PLG becomes exponentially more
difficult due to cannibalization concern.
Pothole Alert!
22. Is PLG Applicable to My Category?
Considerations Challenging for PLG
Favourable for PLG
EXAMPLE CATEGORIES
https://blog.stage2.capital/should-i-pursue-product-led-growth-for-my-startup
23. Closing Takeaways - Avoid These Mistakes
⮚ Growth Team Reports into Marketing vs. Product (or the CEO)
⮚ Scale Sales Team Disproportionately to Growth Funnel
⮚ Sales Commission Plan Designed for Sales-Led-Growth vs.
PLG
⮚ Pricing that Creates Friction for Free User Adoption and
Virality
24. The 1st VC firm …
CROs
CMOs
CCOs
SVPs
VPs
Directors
Managers
Post-Seed
Pre-Series A
Seed
● Hiring Leaders
● Demand Gen
● Sales Playbook
● Org Design
● Forecasting
● Revenue Plan
● 1st Sales Hire
● 1st Comp Plan
● 1st Pricing Model
● 1st Demand Gen
● 1st Rev Plan
run and backed by
500+ GTM leaders… from the top tech
companies in the world… supporting the next
generation of startups… with capital… and GTM
best practices
Dev Tech
Vertical
Marketplaces
Healthcare
Fintech
Industrial SaaS
Dev / Security