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Does God still Speak Today?




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Does God Still Speak Today?


      Has Special Revelation
     ceased, or does God still
  communicate to people through
  prophets, dreams, visions, and
       audible encounters?


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Does God Still Speak Today?

 Three positions:
   1.Continuationism
   2.Hard Cessationism
   3.Soft Cessationism

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                    Permanent Gifts
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•   Apostleship     •   Healings   •    Evangelism    •    Service
•   Prophecy        •   Miracles   •    Teaching      •    Showing
•   Discerning      •   Tongues    •    Pastor-            Mercy
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•   Word of                                           •    Helps
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Question



     What is the
Continuationist view of
     Prophecy?

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Continuationism: View that
               miraculous sign gifts
               are still being given
               and, therefore, God
               still speaks directly
               in various ways
               today.
Adherents:     Wayne Grudem,
               Jack Deere, Craig
               Keener, Jack
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 Defense of Continuationism:




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 1. Acts 2:14-21 seems to
    teach that supernatural
    occurrences such as
    tongues and prophecy
    would be normative for the
    Church era.


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 2. The entire book of Acts
    seems to show that the
    supernatural gifts are
    common within the Church.




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 3. All of Scripture supports the
    idea that it is God’s nature
    to work in supernatural
    ways.




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 4. The New Testament never
    explicitly states that the
    supernatural sign gifts
    would cease.



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    “If you were to lock a
brand-new Christian in a room
with a Bible and tell him to
study what Scripture has to
say about healings and
miracles, he would never come
out of the room a
cessationist.”
                   –Jack Deere
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Question


   What is the Hard
Cessationist    view of
     Prophecy?


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Hard Cessationism: View that
                 miraculous sign gifts
                 ceased with the death
                 of the last apostle and
                 the completion of the
                 New Testament.
                 Therefore, God does
                 not speak directly to
                 people today.
Adherents:       Charles Hodge, John
                 MacArthur, most
                 Reformers
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 Defense of Hard Cessationism:




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 1. The Bible implicitly
    supports the idea that the
    supernatural sign gifts were
    for the establishment of the
    Church era.



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            Eph. 2:19-20
     “So then you are no longer
  foreigners and noncitizens, but
   you are fellow citizens with the
   saints and members of God’s
   household, because you have
   been built on the foundation of
  the apostles and prophets, with
    Christ Jesus himself as the
            cornerstone.”
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        2 Cor. 12:12
   “Indeed, the signs of an
   apostle were performed
    among you with great
  perseverance by signs and
    wonders and powerful
           deeds.”
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                 Heb. 2:3-4
“How will we escape if we neglect such
      a great salvation? It was first
  communicated through the Lord and
   was confirmed to us by those who
 heard him, while God confirmed their
  witness with signs and wonders and
 various miracles and gifts of the Holy
 Spirit distributed according to his will.”
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            1 Cor. 13:8-10
 “Love never ends. But if there are
 prophecies, they will be set aside;
    if there are tongues, they will
 cease; if there is knowledge, it will
  be set aside. For we know in part
    and we prophesy in part; but
    when the perfect comes, the
      partial will be done away.”
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 2. It is agreed that the Bible
    never explicitly states that
    the sign gifts have ceased.
    But the Bible never
    explicitly states that
    Scripture is complete, yet
    both cessetionists and non-
    cessetionists agree that it
    is.
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 3. If God is still speaking
    supernaturally through
    prophecy, tongues, word
    of wisdom, etc., then the
    Canon of Scripture is still
    open.

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“It might, indeed, be a priori
conceivable that God should deal
with men [individually], and reveal
Himself and His will to each
individual, throughout the whole
course of history, in the [depths]
of his own consciousness.

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This is the mystics dream. It
has not, however, been God‟s
way. He has chosen rather to
deal with the race in its
entirety, and to give this race
His complete revelation of
Himself in an organic whole.”
                   –B.B. Warfield
               Counterfeit Miracles (Carlisle, PN: Banner of Truth, 1972), 26



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 4. If one were to examine the
    Scripture closely, it
    becomes evident that
    God’s direct intervention
    through prophecy and
    supernatural signs and
    wonders was not the norm
    as it may seem.
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 The Bible, as theological
 history (not exhaustive
 history), only records the
 times when God does
 intervene, thereby giving the
 impression that God’s direct
 encounters through
 prophets, dreams, visions, etc.
 are God’s modus operandi
 when they are not.
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Noah                                       Moses
           2000+ yrs of apparent silence




Elijah & Elisha                            Christ and
             900 yrs of apparent silence   The Apostles
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 5. History convincingly
    suggests that the
    supernatural sign gifts
    have ceased. We do not
    see evidence of
    confirmed prophets after
    the death of the last
    apostle.
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 Only fringe groups here
 and there have claimed that
 God still speaks through
 prophets, tongues, etc., unt
 il the 20th century when the
 charismatic revival began.

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 “This whole place [1 Cor. 12
on spiritual gifts] is very
obscure . . . but the obscurity
is produced by our ignorance
of the facts referred to and
by their cessation, being such
as then used to occur, but now
no longer take place.”
   –John Chrysostom (347-407)
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“In the earliest time the
Holy Ghost fell upon them
that believed: and they
spoke with tongues which
they had not learned „as the
Spirit gave them utterance.‟
These were signs adapted
to the time.
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For it was proper for the Holy
Spirit to evidence Himself in
all tongues, and to show that
the Gospel of God had come to
all tongues [languages] over
the whole earth. The thing
was done for a authentication
and it passed away.”
       –St. Augustine (354-430)
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                                Ten Homilies on the first Epistle of John VI, 10
Question


 What is the Soft
Cessationist view of
    Prophecy?


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Soft Cessationism:                                   Or “Soft
                                                  Continuationist.” The
                                                  view that the
                                                  miraculous sign gifts
                                                  could still be given
                                                  today, but believers
                                                  need to be careful
                                                  about outright
                                                  acceptance of people’s
                                                  claims of possession.
Adherents:                                        D. A. Carson, Robert
                                                  Saucy
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Defense of Soft
 Cessationism:




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1. Neither side’s arguments
   are conclusive. We must
   therefore proceed with
   great caution.




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2. While it may be true that
   Church history has not
   seen the continuation of
   God speaking directly, this
   does not mean that it is not
   possible.

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“God, in his ordinary
providence, makes use of
means, yet is free to work
without, above, and against
them, at his pleasure.”
 –Westminster Confession of
                      Faith
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3. Those who adhere to a
   futuristic interpretation of
   Revelation must concede
   that there are going to be
   prophets in the future as
   represented by the Two
   Witnesses (Rev. 11:3) and,
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…possibly, the 144,000
Israelites (Rev. 7:4).
Therefore, we must be open
to further direct revelation
from God.



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Guiding Principles:
1. God’s Word is not
   something to be trifled with
   (Ex. 20:7).
2. If you are a prophet, you
   must show convincing
   signs of a prophet (Deut
   18:15-22).
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3. If you are a prophet, you
    must have orthodox
    theology (Deut. 13:1-3).
4. If someone believes that
   they have a word from the
   Lord, they had better be
   certain and be ready to live
   by the consequences if it
   turns out false.
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Intro to theology (ses 9)

  • 1. Does God still Speak Today? Copyright © 2004, The Theology Program. All rights reserved.
  • 2. Does God Still Speak Today? Has Special Revelation ceased, or does God still communicate to people through prophets, dreams, visions, and audible encounters? Copyright © 2004, The Theology Program. All rights reserved.
  • 3. Does God Still Speak Today? Three positions: 1.Continuationism 2.Hard Cessationism 3.Soft Cessationism Copyright © 2004, The Theology Program. All rights reserved.
  • 4. Temporary Gifts Permanent Gifts Supernatural Sign Speakin Confirmator Serving Revelatory g y • Apostleship • Healings • Evangelism • Service • Prophecy • Miracles • Teaching • Showing • Discerning • Tongues • Pastor- Mercy of spirits teacher • Giving • Word of • Exhortation • Administratio wisdom n • Word of • Helps knowledge • Tongues • Interpretatio
  • 5. Question What is the Continuationist view of Prophecy? Copyright © 2004, The Theology Program. All rights reserved.
  • 6. Does God Still Speak Today? Continuationism: View that miraculous sign gifts are still being given and, therefore, God still speaks directly in various ways today. Adherents: Wayne Grudem, Jack Deere, Craig Keener, Jack Copyright © 2004, The Theology Program. All rights reserved.
  • 7. Does God Still Speak Today? Defense of Continuationism: Copyright © 2004, The Theology Program. All rights reserved.
  • 8. Does God Still Speak Today? 1. Acts 2:14-21 seems to teach that supernatural occurrences such as tongues and prophecy would be normative for the Church era. Copyright © 2004, The Theology Program. All rights reserved.
  • 9. Does God Still Speak Today? 2. The entire book of Acts seems to show that the supernatural gifts are common within the Church. Copyright © 2004, The Theology Program. All rights reserved.
  • 10. Does God Still Speak Today? 3. All of Scripture supports the idea that it is God’s nature to work in supernatural ways. Copyright © 2004, The Theology Program. All rights reserved.
  • 11. Does God Still Speak Today? 4. The New Testament never explicitly states that the supernatural sign gifts would cease. Copyright © 2004, The Theology Program. All rights reserved.
  • 12. Does God Still Speak Today? “If you were to lock a brand-new Christian in a room with a Bible and tell him to study what Scripture has to say about healings and miracles, he would never come out of the room a cessationist.” –Jack Deere Copyright © 2004, The Theology Program. All of the Spirit Surprised by the Power rights reserved. (Grand Rapids, Mi: Zondervan, 1997), 54
  • 13. Question What is the Hard Cessationist view of Prophecy? Copyright © 2004, The Theology Program. All rights reserved.
  • 14. Does God Still Speak Today? Hard Cessationism: View that miraculous sign gifts ceased with the death of the last apostle and the completion of the New Testament. Therefore, God does not speak directly to people today. Adherents: Charles Hodge, John MacArthur, most Reformers Copyright © 2004, The Theology Program. All rights reserved.
  • 15. Does God Still Speak Today? Defense of Hard Cessationism: Copyright © 2004, The Theology Program. All rights reserved.
  • 16. Does God Still Speak Today? 1. The Bible implicitly supports the idea that the supernatural sign gifts were for the establishment of the Church era. Copyright © 2004, The Theology Program. All rights reserved.
  • 17. Does God Still Speak Today? Eph. 2:19-20 “So then you are no longer foreigners and noncitizens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of God’s household, because you have been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the cornerstone.” Copyright © 2004, The Theology Program. All rights reserved.
  • 18. Does God Still Speak Today? 2 Cor. 12:12 “Indeed, the signs of an apostle were performed among you with great perseverance by signs and wonders and powerful deeds.” Copyright © 2004, The Theology Program. All rights reserved.
  • 19. Does God Still Speak Today? Heb. 2:3-4 “How will we escape if we neglect such a great salvation? It was first communicated through the Lord and was confirmed to us by those who heard him, while God confirmed their witness with signs and wonders and various miracles and gifts of the Holy Spirit distributed according to his will.” Copyright © 2004, The Theology Program. All rights reserved.
  • 20. Does God Still Speak Today? 1 Cor. 13:8-10 “Love never ends. But if there are prophecies, they will be set aside; if there are tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be set aside. For we know in part and we prophesy in part; but when the perfect comes, the partial will be done away.” ” Copyright © 2004, The Theology Program. All rights reserved.
  • 21. Does God Still Speak Today? 2. It is agreed that the Bible never explicitly states that the sign gifts have ceased. But the Bible never explicitly states that Scripture is complete, yet both cessetionists and non- cessetionists agree that it is. Copyright © 2004, The Theology Program. All rights reserved.
  • 22. Does God Still Speak Today? 3. If God is still speaking supernaturally through prophecy, tongues, word of wisdom, etc., then the Canon of Scripture is still open. Copyright © 2004, The Theology Program. All rights reserved.
  • 23. Does God Still Speak Today? “It might, indeed, be a priori conceivable that God should deal with men [individually], and reveal Himself and His will to each individual, throughout the whole course of history, in the [depths] of his own consciousness. Copyright © 2004, The Theology Program. All rights reserved.
  • 24. Does God Still Speak Today? This is the mystics dream. It has not, however, been God‟s way. He has chosen rather to deal with the race in its entirety, and to give this race His complete revelation of Himself in an organic whole.” –B.B. Warfield Counterfeit Miracles (Carlisle, PN: Banner of Truth, 1972), 26 Copyright © 2004, The Theology Program. All rights reserved.
  • 25. Does God Still Speak Today? 4. If one were to examine the Scripture closely, it becomes evident that God’s direct intervention through prophecy and supernatural signs and wonders was not the norm as it may seem. Copyright © 2004, The Theology Program. All rights reserved.
  • 26. Does God Still Speak Today? The Bible, as theological history (not exhaustive history), only records the times when God does intervene, thereby giving the impression that God’s direct encounters through prophets, dreams, visions, etc. are God’s modus operandi when they are not. Copyright © 2004, The Theology Program. All rights reserved.
  • 27. Noah Moses 2000+ yrs of apparent silence Elijah & Elisha Christ and 900 yrs of apparent silence The Apostles
  • 28. Does God Still Speak Today? 5. History convincingly suggests that the supernatural sign gifts have ceased. We do not see evidence of confirmed prophets after the death of the last apostle. Copyright © 2004, The Theology Program. All rights reserved.
  • 29. Does God Still Speak Today? Only fringe groups here and there have claimed that God still speaks through prophets, tongues, etc., unt il the 20th century when the charismatic revival began. Copyright © 2004, The Theology Program. All rights reserved.
  • 30. Does God Still Speak Today? “This whole place [1 Cor. 12 on spiritual gifts] is very obscure . . . but the obscurity is produced by our ignorance of the facts referred to and by their cessation, being such as then used to occur, but now no longer take place.” –John Chrysostom (347-407) Copyright © 2004, The Theology Program. All rights reserved.
  • 31. Does God Still Speak Today? “In the earliest time the Holy Ghost fell upon them that believed: and they spoke with tongues which they had not learned „as the Spirit gave them utterance.‟ These were signs adapted to the time. Copyright © 2004, The Theology Program. All rights reserved.
  • 32. Does God Still Speak Today? For it was proper for the Holy Spirit to evidence Himself in all tongues, and to show that the Gospel of God had come to all tongues [languages] over the whole earth. The thing was done for a authentication and it passed away.” –St. Augustine (354-430) Copyright © 2004, The Theology Program. All rights reserved. Ten Homilies on the first Epistle of John VI, 10
  • 33. Question What is the Soft Cessationist view of Prophecy? Copyright © 2004, The Theology Program. All rights reserved.
  • 34. Does God Still Speak Today? Soft Cessationism: Or “Soft Continuationist.” The view that the miraculous sign gifts could still be given today, but believers need to be careful about outright acceptance of people’s claims of possession. Adherents: D. A. Carson, Robert Saucy Copyright © 2004, The Theology Program. All rights reserved.
  • 35. Does God Still Speak Today? Defense of Soft Cessationism: Copyright © 2004, The Theology Program. All rights reserved.
  • 36. Does God Still Speak Today? 1. Neither side’s arguments are conclusive. We must therefore proceed with great caution. Copyright © 2004, The Theology Program. All rights reserved.
  • 37. Does God Still Speak Today? 2. While it may be true that Church history has not seen the continuation of God speaking directly, this does not mean that it is not possible. Copyright © 2004, The Theology Program. All rights reserved.
  • 38. Does God Still Speak Today? “God, in his ordinary providence, makes use of means, yet is free to work without, above, and against them, at his pleasure.” –Westminster Confession of Faith Copyright © 2004, The Theology Program. All rights reserved.
  • 39. Does God Still Speak Today? 3. Those who adhere to a futuristic interpretation of Revelation must concede that there are going to be prophets in the future as represented by the Two Witnesses (Rev. 11:3) and, Copyright © 2004, The Theology Program. All rights reserved.
  • 40. Does God Still Speak Today? …possibly, the 144,000 Israelites (Rev. 7:4). Therefore, we must be open to further direct revelation from God. Copyright © 2004, The Theology Program. All rights reserved.
  • 41. Does God Still Speak Today? Guiding Principles: 1. God’s Word is not something to be trifled with (Ex. 20:7). 2. If you are a prophet, you must show convincing signs of a prophet (Deut 18:15-22). Copyright © 2004, The Theology Program. All rights reserved.
  • 42. Does God Still Speak Today? 3. If you are a prophet, you must have orthodox theology (Deut. 13:1-3). 4. If someone believes that they have a word from the Lord, they had better be certain and be ready to live by the consequences if it turns out false. Copyright © 2004, The Theology Program. All rights reserved.
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