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SUNDAY DIALOGUE
5th April 2015KFI CUTTACK CENTRE
KFI Cuttack Centre / Sunday Dialogue
KFI Cuttack Centre / Sunday Dialogue
KFI Cuttack Centre / Sunday Dialogue
KFI Cuttack Centre / Sunday Dialogue
Lets Explore
What is IMAGE in the light
of J. Krishnamurti’s teaching?
KFI Cuttack Centre / Sunday Dialogue
Whatcomes to our mind when we are
asked what is Image?
KFI Cuttack Centre / Sunday Dialogue
Lets discuss
. . .
Whywe form Image?
KFI Cuttack Centre / Sunday Dialogue
Lets discuss
. . .
Howthe Images are formed?
KFI Cuttack Centre / Sunday Dialogue
Lets discuss
. . .
Can I look at life without the image?
Lets discuss
. . .
“Is it possible to observe without the thinker? I look at
everything with an image, with a symbol, with memory, with
knowledge. I look at my friend, at my wife, at my neighbour, at
the boss, with the image which thought has built. I look at my
wife with the image I have about her, and she looks at me with
the image she has about me: the relationship is between these
two images. This is a fact, it's not an invention on my part; it's a
fact! Thought has built these symbols, images, ideas. Can I look,
at first, at a tree, at a flower, at the sky, at the cloud, without an
image? The image of the tree is the word I have learnt which
gives a certain name to the tree, tells its species, and recalls its
beauty. Can I look at that tree, at that cloud, at that flower,
without thought, without the image?
KFI Cuttack Centre / Sunday Dialogue
Contd …..
That's fairly easy to do, if you have done it. But can I look
without the image, at a human being with whom I am
intimate, whom I consider as wife, husband, child? If I can't,
there is no real relationship: the only relationship is
between the images that we both have. So can I look at life
-the clouds, the stars, the trees, the river, the bird on the
wing, my wife, my child, my neighbour, this whole earth-
can I look at it all without the image? Though you have
insulted me, though you have hurt me, though you have
said nasty things about me or praised me, can I look at you
without the image or the memory of what you have done
and said to me?”
J. Krishnamurti
The Collected Works, Vol. XVI",169,Choiceless Awareness
….. Contd
KFI Cuttack Centre / Sunday Dialogue
KFI Cuttack Centre / Sunday Dialogue
Lets discuss
. . . DoImages relate us to others or
separates us from others?
“Why do we have images about ourselves? Those images
separate people. If you have an image of yourself as Swiss or
British or French and so on, that image not only distorts your
observation of humanity, but it also separates you from others.
And wherever there is separation, division, there must be
conflict—as there is conflict going on all over the world, the Arab
against the Israeli, the Muslim against the Hindu, one Christian
church against another. National division and economic division
all result from images, concepts, ideas, and the brain clings to
these images. Why?”
J. Krishnamurti
The Network of Thought, pp 40-41
KFI Cuttack Centre / Sunday Dialogue
KFI Cuttack Centre / Sunday Dialogue
Lets discuss
. . .When I say
‘I know you’ what does that mean?
“When I say I know you, I mean I knew you
yesterday. I do not know you actually now. All I
know is my image of you. That image is put
together by what you have said in praise of me or
to insult me, what you have done to me- it is put
together by all the memories I have of you- and
your image of me is put together in the same
way, and it is those images which have
relationship and which prevent us from really
communing with each other.”
J. Krishnamurti
Freedom from the Known,92
KFI Cuttack Centre / Sunday Dialogue
KFI Cuttack Centre / Sunday Dialogue
Lets discuss
. . .What is that is hurt when some
one humiliates me?
“What is it that is hurt? One says that it is I who am hurt. What is that
“I”? From childhood one has built up an image of oneself. One has
many, many images, not only the images that people give one, but also
the images that one has built oneself: as an American— that is an
image—or as a Hindu, or as a specialist. So the “I” is the image that one
has built about oneself, as a great or a very good man, and it is that
image that gets hurt. One may have an image of oneself as a great
speaker, writer, spiritual being, leader. These images are the core of
oneself; when one says one is hurt, one means the images are hurt. If
one has an image about oneself and another comes along and says,
“Don’t be an idiot”, one gets hurt. The image which has been built
about oneself as not being an idiot is “me”, and that gets hurt. One
carries that image and that hurt for the rest of one’s life.”
J. Krishnamurti
The Flame of Attention, p 88
KFI Cuttack Centre / Sunday Dialogue
KFI Cuttack Centre / Sunday Dialogue
Lets discuss
. . .
Is it possible not be hurt?
“Is it possible not to record that hurt at the moment when I am called an idiot?
Is it possible not to record at all, not only the hurt but flattery? Is it possible
not to record either? The brain has been trained to record, for in that record
there is safety, security, a sense of vitality; in that recording the mind creates
the image about oneself. And that image will constantly get hurt. Is it possible
to live without a single image about yourself, or about your husband, wife,
children, firm, or about the politicians, the priests, or about the ideal—not a
single shadow of an image? It is possible, and if it is not found you will always
be getting hurt, always living in a pattern in which there is no freedom. When
you give complete attention there is no recording. It is only when there is
inattention that you record. That is: you flatter me; I like it; the liking at that
moment is inattention, therefore recording takes place. But if when you flatter
me I listen to it completely without any reaction, then there is no centre which
records.”
J. Krishnamurti
Questions and Answers, pp 54-55
KFI Cuttack Centre / Sunday Dialogue
KFI Cuttack Centre / Sunday Dialogue
Lets discuss
. . .
How to end an image?
To end an image we must first find out how it comes
into being; and we see that if we do not respond
adequately to any challenge it must leave an image. If you
call me a fool, immediately you become my enemy, or I do
not like you. When you call me a fool I have to be intensely
aware at that moment, without any choice, without any
condemnation, just listening to what you are saying. If
there is no emotional response to your statement, then you
will see that no image is being formed.
So one has to be aware of the reaction and not give it
time to take root; because the moment that reaction takes
root it has formed an image. Now, can you do it?
KFI Cuttack Centre / Sunday Dialogue
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  • 1. IMAGE SUNDAY DIALOGUE 5th April 2015KFI CUTTACK CENTRE
  • 2. KFI Cuttack Centre / Sunday Dialogue
  • 3. KFI Cuttack Centre / Sunday Dialogue
  • 4. KFI Cuttack Centre / Sunday Dialogue
  • 5. KFI Cuttack Centre / Sunday Dialogue
  • 6. Lets Explore What is IMAGE in the light of J. Krishnamurti’s teaching? KFI Cuttack Centre / Sunday Dialogue
  • 7. Whatcomes to our mind when we are asked what is Image? KFI Cuttack Centre / Sunday Dialogue Lets discuss . . .
  • 8. Whywe form Image? KFI Cuttack Centre / Sunday Dialogue Lets discuss . . .
  • 9. Howthe Images are formed? KFI Cuttack Centre / Sunday Dialogue Lets discuss . . .
  • 10. Can I look at life without the image? Lets discuss . . .
  • 11. “Is it possible to observe without the thinker? I look at everything with an image, with a symbol, with memory, with knowledge. I look at my friend, at my wife, at my neighbour, at the boss, with the image which thought has built. I look at my wife with the image I have about her, and she looks at me with the image she has about me: the relationship is between these two images. This is a fact, it's not an invention on my part; it's a fact! Thought has built these symbols, images, ideas. Can I look, at first, at a tree, at a flower, at the sky, at the cloud, without an image? The image of the tree is the word I have learnt which gives a certain name to the tree, tells its species, and recalls its beauty. Can I look at that tree, at that cloud, at that flower, without thought, without the image? KFI Cuttack Centre / Sunday Dialogue Contd …..
  • 12. That's fairly easy to do, if you have done it. But can I look without the image, at a human being with whom I am intimate, whom I consider as wife, husband, child? If I can't, there is no real relationship: the only relationship is between the images that we both have. So can I look at life -the clouds, the stars, the trees, the river, the bird on the wing, my wife, my child, my neighbour, this whole earth- can I look at it all without the image? Though you have insulted me, though you have hurt me, though you have said nasty things about me or praised me, can I look at you without the image or the memory of what you have done and said to me?” J. Krishnamurti The Collected Works, Vol. XVI",169,Choiceless Awareness ….. Contd KFI Cuttack Centre / Sunday Dialogue
  • 13. KFI Cuttack Centre / Sunday Dialogue Lets discuss . . . DoImages relate us to others or separates us from others?
  • 14. “Why do we have images about ourselves? Those images separate people. If you have an image of yourself as Swiss or British or French and so on, that image not only distorts your observation of humanity, but it also separates you from others. And wherever there is separation, division, there must be conflict—as there is conflict going on all over the world, the Arab against the Israeli, the Muslim against the Hindu, one Christian church against another. National division and economic division all result from images, concepts, ideas, and the brain clings to these images. Why?” J. Krishnamurti The Network of Thought, pp 40-41 KFI Cuttack Centre / Sunday Dialogue
  • 15. KFI Cuttack Centre / Sunday Dialogue Lets discuss . . .When I say ‘I know you’ what does that mean?
  • 16. “When I say I know you, I mean I knew you yesterday. I do not know you actually now. All I know is my image of you. That image is put together by what you have said in praise of me or to insult me, what you have done to me- it is put together by all the memories I have of you- and your image of me is put together in the same way, and it is those images which have relationship and which prevent us from really communing with each other.” J. Krishnamurti Freedom from the Known,92 KFI Cuttack Centre / Sunday Dialogue
  • 17. KFI Cuttack Centre / Sunday Dialogue Lets discuss . . .What is that is hurt when some one humiliates me?
  • 18. “What is it that is hurt? One says that it is I who am hurt. What is that “I”? From childhood one has built up an image of oneself. One has many, many images, not only the images that people give one, but also the images that one has built oneself: as an American— that is an image—or as a Hindu, or as a specialist. So the “I” is the image that one has built about oneself, as a great or a very good man, and it is that image that gets hurt. One may have an image of oneself as a great speaker, writer, spiritual being, leader. These images are the core of oneself; when one says one is hurt, one means the images are hurt. If one has an image about oneself and another comes along and says, “Don’t be an idiot”, one gets hurt. The image which has been built about oneself as not being an idiot is “me”, and that gets hurt. One carries that image and that hurt for the rest of one’s life.” J. Krishnamurti The Flame of Attention, p 88 KFI Cuttack Centre / Sunday Dialogue
  • 19. KFI Cuttack Centre / Sunday Dialogue Lets discuss . . . Is it possible not be hurt?
  • 20. “Is it possible not to record that hurt at the moment when I am called an idiot? Is it possible not to record at all, not only the hurt but flattery? Is it possible not to record either? The brain has been trained to record, for in that record there is safety, security, a sense of vitality; in that recording the mind creates the image about oneself. And that image will constantly get hurt. Is it possible to live without a single image about yourself, or about your husband, wife, children, firm, or about the politicians, the priests, or about the ideal—not a single shadow of an image? It is possible, and if it is not found you will always be getting hurt, always living in a pattern in which there is no freedom. When you give complete attention there is no recording. It is only when there is inattention that you record. That is: you flatter me; I like it; the liking at that moment is inattention, therefore recording takes place. But if when you flatter me I listen to it completely without any reaction, then there is no centre which records.” J. Krishnamurti Questions and Answers, pp 54-55 KFI Cuttack Centre / Sunday Dialogue
  • 21. KFI Cuttack Centre / Sunday Dialogue Lets discuss . . . How to end an image?
  • 22. To end an image we must first find out how it comes into being; and we see that if we do not respond adequately to any challenge it must leave an image. If you call me a fool, immediately you become my enemy, or I do not like you. When you call me a fool I have to be intensely aware at that moment, without any choice, without any condemnation, just listening to what you are saying. If there is no emotional response to your statement, then you will see that no image is being formed. So one has to be aware of the reaction and not give it time to take root; because the moment that reaction takes root it has formed an image. Now, can you do it? KFI Cuttack Centre / Sunday Dialogue
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