Derek Flanzraich, CEO of one of the fastest growing health and wellness sites, Greatist, joins Jerry for this episode to share the story of his personal journey over the last 10 months. His journey of introspection started when he attended a CEO bootcamp last October and begin to reflect on a personal challenge, which ultimately lead him to a solution to a business challenge that could have destroyed his business. Derek’s openness and introspection is inspiring, and will inspire you to re-examine how your own stories impact your business and your life.
Reboot Podcast #7 - The Relationship between Depression and Entrepreneurship?...rebootio
After years of rapid growth and expansion, followed by a serious year of depression, Rand Fishkin, founder and former CEO of Moz, found himself in a room surrounded by VC backed CEO’s and entrepreneurs where the question was posed: “How many of you struggle seriously with depression or severe anxiety or emotional issues?” He watched almost every person raise their hand. It’s shocking how universal depression is in startups. For anyone struggling with depression, it’s helpful to know you’re not alone. In this podcast, which is slightly different than past episodes, Jerry converses with Rand about his experience - his “loop,” how shame and guilt are at times his driver, the importance of understanding one’s emotional state, and how he’s made progress in coming out of his own depression, including his one piece of advice for entrepreneurs or anyone dealing with their own depression.
Reboot Podcast #03 - This being so, so what? – With Jerry Colonna and Nigel S...rebootio
As CEO of a young startup, you can often feel what you are facing right now can make or break your company, can make or break you. And you will likely find yourself in this place more than once. Nigel Sharp, CEO of Armenian based Lion Sharp, finds himself in one of these very moments. He feels the energy of a promising product, and the reality of 6 months of runway. How do you balance the excitement and challenges? How do discuss the reality of your finances with your team? How do you discuss your fears, not only of failure but of success?
Reboot Podcast #04 - The hidden burdens in our work – with Jerry Colonna, She...rebootio
How can you save a business from the brink of bankruptcy and grow it 2,000% in 10 years, and yet feel like it could all go away in any given moment? Or face the fear, the weight, that you must be chief breadwinner...for you, your family, your co-founder and team’s family as well? Fear is pervasive in our lives, and in the crazy world of startups and entrepreneurship it is an always present participant. In this episode, we have two entrepreneurs dealing with two different and yet similar fears, fears that entrepreneurs will know all too well.
Reboot Podcast #06 - Do you avoid difficult conversations? – with Jerry Colon...rebootio
“If you bring forth what is within you, what you bring forth will save you. If you do not bring forth what is within you, what you do not bring forth will destroy you.”
Jesus, Gospel of Thomas
Do you have an innate desire to make people happy? And does that desire at times cause you to at hold back the truth, out of fear of perhaps hurting others and yourself? Carm Huntress is the CEO of RxReview, a company solving a big problem with big data - overspending on prescription drugs. The company started in January 2012 and is growing beyond it’s 11 employees. Carm realizes his nature as a people pleaser affects his leadership in detrimental ways. In this episode, Jerry and Carm unpack what it means to be fierce, and what’s behind the desire to make people happy. It’s a conversation that will leave you asking: “What if I led from place knew where i knew I was good and also know there are things I want to do better?”
Enjoy the conversation...
Q’s
What if you led from a place in which you knew you were good and knew the things you wanted to do better?
To have a firm persuasion, to set out boldly in our work, is to make a pilgrimage of our labors, to understand that the consummation of work lies not only in what we have done but who we become while accomplishing the task.
-David Whyte - Crossing the Unknown Sea: Work as a Pilgrimage of Identity
In today’s conversation Jerry is joined by Ben Rubin - Cofounder and CEO of Change Collective - an organization itself that is set on helping people make positive change in their lives. Ben comes to Jerry wondering how he can better deal with the negative inner dialogue. They quickly discover that inner voice, and more specifically the feelings that precede it, are a powerful indicator of an underlying fear. What opportunities exist in exploring that fear?
Reboot Podcast #05 - How Do You Define Success? With Jerry Colonna and Joseph...rebootio
Joseph Chura is the founder and CEO of 2 startups that employ nearly a combined 100 people, yet he feels a constant drive for more. In this conversation with Jerry, Joseph shares his struggles to be present, especially at home with his wife and kids. Why is the drive, the itch to not sit still, so strong? What’s he running towards? Or perhaps running from?
Joseph and Jerry explore why he feels compelled to run, take a look at how & what Joseph is using to define success and why mindfulness is about so much more than meditation...it’s about expanding the space between stimulus and response.
Zelle Nelson and Maureen McCarthy are not only co-founders of The Center For Collaborative Awareness, but they are also married to each other. They created a collaboration process called “The Blueprint of We” in 1998 as they began their dating relationship. This collaboration process is used to build and sustain healthier, more resilient business and personal relationships, which makes day-to-day interactions effortless and time together creative and productive. This process is facilitated through completing a document that has five components: The Story of Us, Interaction Styles and Warning Signs, Expectations, Questions to Return to Peace, and Short and Long-Term Agreements. Maureen and Zelle are using the Blueprint of We process and document to create a place where people actually look forward to going to work where everyone’s knowledge, passions, and interests rise to the surface to create a stronger and more vibrant company or community.
Reboot Podcast #23 - With a Little More Care… with Sherman Lee and Jerry Colonnarebootio
Sometimes we spend so much time looking at where we aren’t or where others have gone that we don’t fully appreciate where we are and how much we’ve grown on the journey.
A year ago today, Reboot didn’t have a podcast. A year ago today, Sherman Lee was staring down a draining bank account, a shaky business model, and a crippling fear: if I fail, I won’t be able to provide. A year later we sit with our 23rd podcast episode, a return visit from Sherman one of our first guests, and an opportunity to appreciate Sherman’s journey and growth since we last spoke.
Reboot Podcast #7 - The Relationship between Depression and Entrepreneurship?...rebootio
After years of rapid growth and expansion, followed by a serious year of depression, Rand Fishkin, founder and former CEO of Moz, found himself in a room surrounded by VC backed CEO’s and entrepreneurs where the question was posed: “How many of you struggle seriously with depression or severe anxiety or emotional issues?” He watched almost every person raise their hand. It’s shocking how universal depression is in startups. For anyone struggling with depression, it’s helpful to know you’re not alone. In this podcast, which is slightly different than past episodes, Jerry converses with Rand about his experience - his “loop,” how shame and guilt are at times his driver, the importance of understanding one’s emotional state, and how he’s made progress in coming out of his own depression, including his one piece of advice for entrepreneurs or anyone dealing with their own depression.
Reboot Podcast #03 - This being so, so what? – With Jerry Colonna and Nigel S...rebootio
As CEO of a young startup, you can often feel what you are facing right now can make or break your company, can make or break you. And you will likely find yourself in this place more than once. Nigel Sharp, CEO of Armenian based Lion Sharp, finds himself in one of these very moments. He feels the energy of a promising product, and the reality of 6 months of runway. How do you balance the excitement and challenges? How do discuss the reality of your finances with your team? How do you discuss your fears, not only of failure but of success?
Reboot Podcast #04 - The hidden burdens in our work – with Jerry Colonna, She...rebootio
How can you save a business from the brink of bankruptcy and grow it 2,000% in 10 years, and yet feel like it could all go away in any given moment? Or face the fear, the weight, that you must be chief breadwinner...for you, your family, your co-founder and team’s family as well? Fear is pervasive in our lives, and in the crazy world of startups and entrepreneurship it is an always present participant. In this episode, we have two entrepreneurs dealing with two different and yet similar fears, fears that entrepreneurs will know all too well.
Reboot Podcast #06 - Do you avoid difficult conversations? – with Jerry Colon...rebootio
“If you bring forth what is within you, what you bring forth will save you. If you do not bring forth what is within you, what you do not bring forth will destroy you.”
Jesus, Gospel of Thomas
Do you have an innate desire to make people happy? And does that desire at times cause you to at hold back the truth, out of fear of perhaps hurting others and yourself? Carm Huntress is the CEO of RxReview, a company solving a big problem with big data - overspending on prescription drugs. The company started in January 2012 and is growing beyond it’s 11 employees. Carm realizes his nature as a people pleaser affects his leadership in detrimental ways. In this episode, Jerry and Carm unpack what it means to be fierce, and what’s behind the desire to make people happy. It’s a conversation that will leave you asking: “What if I led from place knew where i knew I was good and also know there are things I want to do better?”
Enjoy the conversation...
Q’s
What if you led from a place in which you knew you were good and knew the things you wanted to do better?
To have a firm persuasion, to set out boldly in our work, is to make a pilgrimage of our labors, to understand that the consummation of work lies not only in what we have done but who we become while accomplishing the task.
-David Whyte - Crossing the Unknown Sea: Work as a Pilgrimage of Identity
In today’s conversation Jerry is joined by Ben Rubin - Cofounder and CEO of Change Collective - an organization itself that is set on helping people make positive change in their lives. Ben comes to Jerry wondering how he can better deal with the negative inner dialogue. They quickly discover that inner voice, and more specifically the feelings that precede it, are a powerful indicator of an underlying fear. What opportunities exist in exploring that fear?
Reboot Podcast #05 - How Do You Define Success? With Jerry Colonna and Joseph...rebootio
Joseph Chura is the founder and CEO of 2 startups that employ nearly a combined 100 people, yet he feels a constant drive for more. In this conversation with Jerry, Joseph shares his struggles to be present, especially at home with his wife and kids. Why is the drive, the itch to not sit still, so strong? What’s he running towards? Or perhaps running from?
Joseph and Jerry explore why he feels compelled to run, take a look at how & what Joseph is using to define success and why mindfulness is about so much more than meditation...it’s about expanding the space between stimulus and response.
Zelle Nelson and Maureen McCarthy are not only co-founders of The Center For Collaborative Awareness, but they are also married to each other. They created a collaboration process called “The Blueprint of We” in 1998 as they began their dating relationship. This collaboration process is used to build and sustain healthier, more resilient business and personal relationships, which makes day-to-day interactions effortless and time together creative and productive. This process is facilitated through completing a document that has five components: The Story of Us, Interaction Styles and Warning Signs, Expectations, Questions to Return to Peace, and Short and Long-Term Agreements. Maureen and Zelle are using the Blueprint of We process and document to create a place where people actually look forward to going to work where everyone’s knowledge, passions, and interests rise to the surface to create a stronger and more vibrant company or community.
Reboot Podcast #23 - With a Little More Care… with Sherman Lee and Jerry Colonnarebootio
Sometimes we spend so much time looking at where we aren’t or where others have gone that we don’t fully appreciate where we are and how much we’ve grown on the journey.
A year ago today, Reboot didn’t have a podcast. A year ago today, Sherman Lee was staring down a draining bank account, a shaky business model, and a crippling fear: if I fail, I won’t be able to provide. A year later we sit with our 23rd podcast episode, a return visit from Sherman one of our first guests, and an opportunity to appreciate Sherman’s journey and growth since we last spoke.
Reboot Podcast #10 - Fail with Honor - with Derek Bereit, Beth McKeon, & Jer...rebootio
“I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work.”
― Thomas A. Edison
Most startups fail. We all know this as much as we try to forget it. The absolute hardest, hardest question an entrepreneur can ask themselves is: When do you know it’s over?
In the first of two conversations in this episode, we are joined by Derek Bereit, CEO and Co-Founder of Symptomly, who is staring down the end of his runway and wrestling with this very question.
In a second conversation we hear from Beth McKeon, Founder and CEO of Kids Calendar, who is dealing with another common challenge: How do you find, recruit and hire the right person for your startup at the stage that it’s in?
As always we’d love to hear feedback from you either on our website or on twitter @reboothq. Now on with to the conversations.
Reboot Podcast #8 - How Introspection Changed My Business - With Blaine Vess ...rebootio
“Knowing yourself is the beginning of all wisdom.”
― Aristotle
Entrepreneur and CEO Blaine Vess has an impressive story. Studymode, the company he helped start and bootstrap from his dorm room almost 16 years ago, now has 30 employees and sees between 60-90M visitors a month. It’s rare to find 15 year old bootstrapped companies. It’s rare to have the same CEO for 15 years as Blaine has been. But last year, Blaine wanted more for his company and himself. He wanted to know how to help push his company to the next level. To achieve that, he didn’t look elsewhere, he looked within.
In this conversation, Jerry and Blaine talk about Blaine’s “year of introspection”. It included a stop at one of our bootcamps, working with a coach and a therapist, and that year ultimately helped him understand how and why he was holding himself back. Perhaps Blaine and Jerry’s conversation, our first of 2015, may spark your own year of introspection.
Reboot Podcast #25 - Live Beyond Compare - Brad Feld and Jerry Colonna - Rebo...rebootio
It’s so easy, sometimes fun, sometimes painful, and always tempting to compare ourselves to others. As entrepreneurs, the temptation is even stronger. It can at times seem like there’s an endless supply of compare yourself material - from the media, to social media. Ask any Reboot coach...one of the busiest days as a coach is the day a big acquisition or funding announcement occurs. The second busiest is the day after. So what would it be like to let go? What if you stopped trying to be a VC / entrepreneur / father like everyone else? What if you were just you and that was OK?
That is exactly the advice our podcast guest offered up to a 34 year old Jerry Colonna - many, many years ago. We’re truly honored to have Brad Feld on the podcast with Jerry today. Brad is an investor, entrepreneur, and blogger who has been supporting entrepreneurs all over the world since 1987. Brad has also been a great Reboot supporter and teacher. In this conversation these two friends talk about VC’s as Dungeons and Dragons characters, Brad’s evolved investment criteria, and the single best piece of advice Brad offered to Jerry that changed his career.
Reboot Podcast #19 Building a House of Belonging with Tanisha Robinsonrebootio
What’s it like to find your path of authentic service in the world? What if you could use the pain of the past, a pain of not knowing where you fit in, of not knowing where you belong to propel you toward work that makes a difference? What if you could create a place of belonging? Well, it might look a lot like what Tanisha Robinson is building with Print Syndicate.
Started just 2.5 years ago with 8 people, Print Syndicate now has over 140 employees and will generate more than $20M in revenue this year. But the company isn’t just about shirts and home goods, it’s a place where people (including a black, gay, woman from a Mormon family of 7 in a small town in Missouri) have a place to self-identify and a place to belong. As Tanisha shares, running a company fueled by your passion to make the world better is both exhilarating and heartwrenching.
Reboot Podcast #26 - Finding your Business Soulmate - Founders of The Grommet...rebootio
Two co-founders, who refer to each other as business soulmates, have found themselves in that special place of alignment. A place in partnership where they align not just intellectually, not just energetically, not even just at a values level, but at a human level. Jules Pieri (her second time on the show) and her partner Joanne Domeniconi oni are the Co-founders of The Grommet. They join Jerry to talk about the beginning of their partnership, where and how they found alignment at the human level, how it has evolved over time, and the challenges it represents as they scale the business
Reboot Podcast #20 with Bijan Sabet - Investors are Human toorebootio
It sounds so obvious, perhaps even tongue in cheek, but it also seems to be forgotten enough that it needs to be said aloud again: Investors are human too. They, like the entrepreneurs they back, can ride the rollercoaster of emotions that often come with starting a company. In this episode Jerry Colonna is joined by Bijan Sabet of Spark Capital and they explore some of the tensions that often arise between investors and entrepreneurs, the emotional perspective of the investor, and the importance of purpose and artistry. As a bonus, it includes Jerry reading a blessing at the end.
Reboot Podcast #15 - Becoming a Leader: The Crucible of Co-Founder Conflict w...rebootio
JW Player has come a long way. The JW player and platform is now used by over 2.5 million publishers and 20% of the fortune 1,000 companies. Each month about 1 billion people watch video on their platform. Behind those numbers are real people--including three co-founders who, over the last eight years, have experienced their own profound personal growth and leadership transformations.
In a special first video episode, only fitting for the co-founders of one of the world’s largest video platforms, we have the 3 co-founders of JW Player joining Jerry in person. In a very open conversation, they explore key challenging moments in their company and partnership history -and how they emerged from those moments stronger and more committed than ever. It's an inspiring story of leaders born through adversity
Reboot Podcast #9 - Investing in Trust - with Fred Wilson and Jerry Colonnarebootio
Fred Wilson barely needs an introduction for his role and impact in the startup community both as blogger and co-founder of Union Square Ventures. Fred’s also a big reason why I’m here giving this intro: his blog ultimately led me to meeting and now working with Jerry; and his family podcast, Positively 10th Street, was one of the first podcasts I ever listened to. Feels like things have come full circle.
So I’m thrilled to have Fred join Jerry for this episode. In 19 years of friendship and partnership in the startup world, these two have seen just about everything. In this conversation they share some stories from the Flatiron Partnership days, what makes a perfect board, the importance of trust in investing, and what makes a good leader. They even discuss the sheer terror they felt on their own entrepreneurial journey. There’s a lot of great material referenced in this discussion, so we’ve gone ahead and compiled a bunch of links from this show on our podcast page at reboot.io/podcast.
In what we hope will be a series of several, enjoy this first Reboot conversation with Fred Wilson and Jerry Colonna.
Reboot Podcast #27 - From Caring Comes Courage - with Jerry Colonna on Reboot...rebootio
From caring comes courage.
Lao Tzu
It’s wonderful to have the support of so many, to have so many who believe in you. But there is another side to it: the weight and fear of disappointing them. Zoe Weintraub is founder of Opus for Work and is our guest on this episode of the podcast. Zoe and Jerry discuss both the beauty and burden of external expectations, and ultimately find that when you follow the emotion and vulnerability associated with them, they expose your superpower hiding in plain sight.
Reboot Podcast #45 – What’s Love Got to Do with It?- with Fred Wilson and Bra...rebootio
How can you expect to serve others, whether it be customers, portfolio companies, or your organization if your own house is not in order? We are so fortunate to welcome Brad Feld and Fred Wilson back to the Reboot Podcast. Jerry, Brad, and Fred have a friendship and history that goes back 20 years, and the wealth of experience between them is truly incredible.
Reboot Podcast #22 - Does Anyone Know what they are Doing? With Sharon Salzbe...rebootio
We’re often in (or feel we’re in) uncharted waters - a place where making things up as we go is a necessity. Feeling lost in those places can be anxiety-inducing. We feel incompetent. We feel shameful. We can end up feeling that everyone has figured it out but me. But how true is that, really? And perhaps the better question--how can owning my own anxiety in these areas help me step more fully into my authentic self and even increase my capacity for happiness?
We are honored to welcome one of our key teachers at Reboot, Sharon Salzberg, to the podcast. In this conversation, Sharon and Jerry discuss Sharon’s own entrepreneurial path, a new definition of success (and failure), authenticity, loving kindness and the question: Does anyone really know what they are doing?
Reboot Podcast #28 - Reclaiming the Shadow - with Tracy Lawrence on Reboot Po...rebootio
Tracy Lawrence, Co-founder and CEO of Chewse, and Jerry Colonna talk about authenticity, leading from the heart and on the power of embracing the lost and disowned parts of ourselves. For Tracy, it’s not only about being there for the little girl who was bullied in middle school, but also about owning her very own inner bully. Reclaiming that part of herself will not only impact her approach to the latest company experiment, but it also might affect her own leadership and bring her and her company deeper into alignment.
Hugh MacLeod has tapped into his own heart and his own woundedness so that he can speak to the hearts of people and organizations to inspire, to question, to laugh and to grow. Hugh joins Jerry in this episode of The Reboot Podcast to discuss how how he got his start, what motivates leaders, and how to work (and lead) from the heart. (Hint: often the "how" lies in identifying our own wounds).
Reboot Podcast #32 - Invest in Being Yourself - with Bryce Roberts and Chris ...rebootio
VC’s Bryce Roberts of OATV and Indie.vc, and Chris Marks of Blue Note Ventures both found the standard issue of the VC world was not a fit for them. They both sought out to set a new path, one that aligned with who they are and what they value. In a conversation with Jerry, and each other, they explore the challenges on their journey, and the potential opportunities they have to better connect with entrepreneurs through those challenges. This conversation may leave you asking yourself:
In my own work, what are my values? What are my priorities? What am I wearing today?
Ben Saunders knows very well the ups and downs that come with attempting to do something extraordinary. Like so many entrepreneurs, he struggled with the challenges of being an effective leader, and faced the pain of fundraising or not meeting payroll. But Ben’s end goal was a bit different. He’ a polar explorer. Between October 2013 and February 2014, he and his companion Tarka broke the record for the longest ever polar journey on foot. On their path to the South Pole, they faced temps of -50F and wind chills near -70F all while they covered nearly seventy marathons back-to-back on less than four hours of sleep a night.
This record breaking journey was nearly ten years in the making for Ben, and truly was an amazing accomplishment, but despite all that he found the inner journey that followed even more challenging than what he faced out on the ice. In this conversation, Ben and Jerry discuss his journey on and off the ice.
Reboot Podcast #34 - Self actualization - with Henry May on Reboot Podcastrebootio
“Your vision will become clear only when you can look into your own heart. Who looks outside, dreams; who looks inside, awakens.” – Carl Jung.
"Work is difficulty and drama, a high-stakes game in which our identity, our self-esteem, and our ability to provide are mixed inside us in a volatile, sometimes explosive ways.” from David Whyte in his incredible book, Crossing the Unknown Sea: Work as a pilgrimage of Identity.
That volatile, explosive mix is a gift. It presents a tremendous opportunity for us to do our own work, our inner work, and further develop our own understanding of self. In our conversation today, Jerry is joined by Henry May, founder and CEO of CoSchool, based in Columbia. Henry comes to Jerry with this very issue: How might the journey of entrepreneurship, specifically his own, open up new opportunities for him to grow? Or said more directly: How might he use his work at Coschool to do the real work on his humanity?
Reboot Podcast #30 - Who Do You Turn To? - with Yancey Strickler and Ian Hogarthrebootio
There’s a saying: Behind every great man is a great woman. I would add: behind every great entrepreneur is a great friend. The entrepreneurial path simply can’t be traveled alone. So when Jerry asked Kickstarter’s CEO and Co-founder, Yancey Strickler: Who do you turn to? He response was immediate: Ian Hogarth, Co-founder and Chairman of Songkick. We’re grateful to have Yancey and Ian join Jerry in today’s podcast to talk about their friendship, the importance of peer relationships in entrepreneurship, the relief of being heard by those who can empathize with your experience, as well as those who can challenge you from a place of love and deep understanding. Enjoy this discussion with Jerry, Ian Hogarth, and Yancey Strickler.
This conversation was recorded in early December, and since then Ian has announced his intention to give up the Co-CEO role at Soundkick and focus on his role at Chairman.
Reboot Podcast #33 - Do I Even Have A Superpower?- with Kent Cavender-Baresrebootio
Have you ever asked yourself the question: I wonder if we'd be better off with someone else in my role?
In this podcast, a listener, Kent Cavender-Bares from Rowbots comes to Jerry with a question a similar question about his superpower: "What if my deep integrity, my commitment to simply telling how it is, is the reason we’re unable to fundraise? Do I even have a Superpower? Wouldn’t Rowbots, be further along if someone else was leading?" Jerry and Kent explore the double edge of a superpower, and how the path through his challenges may lie in a new set of questions: How can I be even more like Kent? How can I embrace my superpower? How can I believe in myself? And why is that so damned important?
Reboot Podcast #31 - Why Being Real Matters- with Evgeny Shadchnevrebootio
So many entrepreneurs seek to model their leadership after the high-profile, successful giants of business. Should I be leader more like Steve Jobs? How can I be more like Jeff Bezos? How can I be more like Travis from Uber? These are not only questions without answers, they are the wrong questions. The real question is, “Who the fuck are you?” You’re not Steve Jobs. You’re not Jeff Bezos. You’re you. What does the leader within you look like?
In today’s conversation, Jerry is joined by Evgeny, Co-founder and CEO of Makers Academy. Ev wrestles with the question of whether it’s possible to scale an organization built around trust, or does success require a leader who governs by fear? Together they discover a more beautiful, more fundamental question --“Who is Evgeny?” In that answer they may find a path to personal alignment and more effective leadership.
The Reboot podcast was started because we believed that there needed to be an authentic, real conversation about the emotional journey of entrepreneurship. One that included its valleys and not just its peaks. 1 in 3 entrepreneurs will struggle with depression or burnout in their career, yet when it happens to them, many entrepreneurs feel totally alone in their experience.
Rob Symington is founder and entrepreneur who experienced a debilitating period of burnout following the launch of his startup, a startup that was inspired by the idea that work could be more fulfilling, less stressful and generally improve people’s lives no less. In this conversation, Jerry and Rob discuss his experience, why Rob believes it’s so important for him to share it, how he is moving forward, and the fact that the pressure of doing something you passionately believe in can challenge you unlike anything else.
Reboot Podcast #10 - Fail with Honor - with Derek Bereit, Beth McKeon, & Jer...rebootio
“I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work.”
― Thomas A. Edison
Most startups fail. We all know this as much as we try to forget it. The absolute hardest, hardest question an entrepreneur can ask themselves is: When do you know it’s over?
In the first of two conversations in this episode, we are joined by Derek Bereit, CEO and Co-Founder of Symptomly, who is staring down the end of his runway and wrestling with this very question.
In a second conversation we hear from Beth McKeon, Founder and CEO of Kids Calendar, who is dealing with another common challenge: How do you find, recruit and hire the right person for your startup at the stage that it’s in?
As always we’d love to hear feedback from you either on our website or on twitter @reboothq. Now on with to the conversations.
Reboot Podcast #8 - How Introspection Changed My Business - With Blaine Vess ...rebootio
“Knowing yourself is the beginning of all wisdom.”
― Aristotle
Entrepreneur and CEO Blaine Vess has an impressive story. Studymode, the company he helped start and bootstrap from his dorm room almost 16 years ago, now has 30 employees and sees between 60-90M visitors a month. It’s rare to find 15 year old bootstrapped companies. It’s rare to have the same CEO for 15 years as Blaine has been. But last year, Blaine wanted more for his company and himself. He wanted to know how to help push his company to the next level. To achieve that, he didn’t look elsewhere, he looked within.
In this conversation, Jerry and Blaine talk about Blaine’s “year of introspection”. It included a stop at one of our bootcamps, working with a coach and a therapist, and that year ultimately helped him understand how and why he was holding himself back. Perhaps Blaine and Jerry’s conversation, our first of 2015, may spark your own year of introspection.
Reboot Podcast #25 - Live Beyond Compare - Brad Feld and Jerry Colonna - Rebo...rebootio
It’s so easy, sometimes fun, sometimes painful, and always tempting to compare ourselves to others. As entrepreneurs, the temptation is even stronger. It can at times seem like there’s an endless supply of compare yourself material - from the media, to social media. Ask any Reboot coach...one of the busiest days as a coach is the day a big acquisition or funding announcement occurs. The second busiest is the day after. So what would it be like to let go? What if you stopped trying to be a VC / entrepreneur / father like everyone else? What if you were just you and that was OK?
That is exactly the advice our podcast guest offered up to a 34 year old Jerry Colonna - many, many years ago. We’re truly honored to have Brad Feld on the podcast with Jerry today. Brad is an investor, entrepreneur, and blogger who has been supporting entrepreneurs all over the world since 1987. Brad has also been a great Reboot supporter and teacher. In this conversation these two friends talk about VC’s as Dungeons and Dragons characters, Brad’s evolved investment criteria, and the single best piece of advice Brad offered to Jerry that changed his career.
Reboot Podcast #19 Building a House of Belonging with Tanisha Robinsonrebootio
What’s it like to find your path of authentic service in the world? What if you could use the pain of the past, a pain of not knowing where you fit in, of not knowing where you belong to propel you toward work that makes a difference? What if you could create a place of belonging? Well, it might look a lot like what Tanisha Robinson is building with Print Syndicate.
Started just 2.5 years ago with 8 people, Print Syndicate now has over 140 employees and will generate more than $20M in revenue this year. But the company isn’t just about shirts and home goods, it’s a place where people (including a black, gay, woman from a Mormon family of 7 in a small town in Missouri) have a place to self-identify and a place to belong. As Tanisha shares, running a company fueled by your passion to make the world better is both exhilarating and heartwrenching.
Reboot Podcast #26 - Finding your Business Soulmate - Founders of The Grommet...rebootio
Two co-founders, who refer to each other as business soulmates, have found themselves in that special place of alignment. A place in partnership where they align not just intellectually, not just energetically, not even just at a values level, but at a human level. Jules Pieri (her second time on the show) and her partner Joanne Domeniconi oni are the Co-founders of The Grommet. They join Jerry to talk about the beginning of their partnership, where and how they found alignment at the human level, how it has evolved over time, and the challenges it represents as they scale the business
Reboot Podcast #20 with Bijan Sabet - Investors are Human toorebootio
It sounds so obvious, perhaps even tongue in cheek, but it also seems to be forgotten enough that it needs to be said aloud again: Investors are human too. They, like the entrepreneurs they back, can ride the rollercoaster of emotions that often come with starting a company. In this episode Jerry Colonna is joined by Bijan Sabet of Spark Capital and they explore some of the tensions that often arise between investors and entrepreneurs, the emotional perspective of the investor, and the importance of purpose and artistry. As a bonus, it includes Jerry reading a blessing at the end.
Reboot Podcast #15 - Becoming a Leader: The Crucible of Co-Founder Conflict w...rebootio
JW Player has come a long way. The JW player and platform is now used by over 2.5 million publishers and 20% of the fortune 1,000 companies. Each month about 1 billion people watch video on their platform. Behind those numbers are real people--including three co-founders who, over the last eight years, have experienced their own profound personal growth and leadership transformations.
In a special first video episode, only fitting for the co-founders of one of the world’s largest video platforms, we have the 3 co-founders of JW Player joining Jerry in person. In a very open conversation, they explore key challenging moments in their company and partnership history -and how they emerged from those moments stronger and more committed than ever. It's an inspiring story of leaders born through adversity
Reboot Podcast #9 - Investing in Trust - with Fred Wilson and Jerry Colonnarebootio
Fred Wilson barely needs an introduction for his role and impact in the startup community both as blogger and co-founder of Union Square Ventures. Fred’s also a big reason why I’m here giving this intro: his blog ultimately led me to meeting and now working with Jerry; and his family podcast, Positively 10th Street, was one of the first podcasts I ever listened to. Feels like things have come full circle.
So I’m thrilled to have Fred join Jerry for this episode. In 19 years of friendship and partnership in the startup world, these two have seen just about everything. In this conversation they share some stories from the Flatiron Partnership days, what makes a perfect board, the importance of trust in investing, and what makes a good leader. They even discuss the sheer terror they felt on their own entrepreneurial journey. There’s a lot of great material referenced in this discussion, so we’ve gone ahead and compiled a bunch of links from this show on our podcast page at reboot.io/podcast.
In what we hope will be a series of several, enjoy this first Reboot conversation with Fred Wilson and Jerry Colonna.
Reboot Podcast #27 - From Caring Comes Courage - with Jerry Colonna on Reboot...rebootio
From caring comes courage.
Lao Tzu
It’s wonderful to have the support of so many, to have so many who believe in you. But there is another side to it: the weight and fear of disappointing them. Zoe Weintraub is founder of Opus for Work and is our guest on this episode of the podcast. Zoe and Jerry discuss both the beauty and burden of external expectations, and ultimately find that when you follow the emotion and vulnerability associated with them, they expose your superpower hiding in plain sight.
Reboot Podcast #45 – What’s Love Got to Do with It?- with Fred Wilson and Bra...rebootio
How can you expect to serve others, whether it be customers, portfolio companies, or your organization if your own house is not in order? We are so fortunate to welcome Brad Feld and Fred Wilson back to the Reboot Podcast. Jerry, Brad, and Fred have a friendship and history that goes back 20 years, and the wealth of experience between them is truly incredible.
Reboot Podcast #22 - Does Anyone Know what they are Doing? With Sharon Salzbe...rebootio
We’re often in (or feel we’re in) uncharted waters - a place where making things up as we go is a necessity. Feeling lost in those places can be anxiety-inducing. We feel incompetent. We feel shameful. We can end up feeling that everyone has figured it out but me. But how true is that, really? And perhaps the better question--how can owning my own anxiety in these areas help me step more fully into my authentic self and even increase my capacity for happiness?
We are honored to welcome one of our key teachers at Reboot, Sharon Salzberg, to the podcast. In this conversation, Sharon and Jerry discuss Sharon’s own entrepreneurial path, a new definition of success (and failure), authenticity, loving kindness and the question: Does anyone really know what they are doing?
Reboot Podcast #28 - Reclaiming the Shadow - with Tracy Lawrence on Reboot Po...rebootio
Tracy Lawrence, Co-founder and CEO of Chewse, and Jerry Colonna talk about authenticity, leading from the heart and on the power of embracing the lost and disowned parts of ourselves. For Tracy, it’s not only about being there for the little girl who was bullied in middle school, but also about owning her very own inner bully. Reclaiming that part of herself will not only impact her approach to the latest company experiment, but it also might affect her own leadership and bring her and her company deeper into alignment.
Hugh MacLeod has tapped into his own heart and his own woundedness so that he can speak to the hearts of people and organizations to inspire, to question, to laugh and to grow. Hugh joins Jerry in this episode of The Reboot Podcast to discuss how how he got his start, what motivates leaders, and how to work (and lead) from the heart. (Hint: often the "how" lies in identifying our own wounds).
Reboot Podcast #32 - Invest in Being Yourself - with Bryce Roberts and Chris ...rebootio
VC’s Bryce Roberts of OATV and Indie.vc, and Chris Marks of Blue Note Ventures both found the standard issue of the VC world was not a fit for them. They both sought out to set a new path, one that aligned with who they are and what they value. In a conversation with Jerry, and each other, they explore the challenges on their journey, and the potential opportunities they have to better connect with entrepreneurs through those challenges. This conversation may leave you asking yourself:
In my own work, what are my values? What are my priorities? What am I wearing today?
Ben Saunders knows very well the ups and downs that come with attempting to do something extraordinary. Like so many entrepreneurs, he struggled with the challenges of being an effective leader, and faced the pain of fundraising or not meeting payroll. But Ben’s end goal was a bit different. He’ a polar explorer. Between October 2013 and February 2014, he and his companion Tarka broke the record for the longest ever polar journey on foot. On their path to the South Pole, they faced temps of -50F and wind chills near -70F all while they covered nearly seventy marathons back-to-back on less than four hours of sleep a night.
This record breaking journey was nearly ten years in the making for Ben, and truly was an amazing accomplishment, but despite all that he found the inner journey that followed even more challenging than what he faced out on the ice. In this conversation, Ben and Jerry discuss his journey on and off the ice.
Reboot Podcast #34 - Self actualization - with Henry May on Reboot Podcastrebootio
“Your vision will become clear only when you can look into your own heart. Who looks outside, dreams; who looks inside, awakens.” – Carl Jung.
"Work is difficulty and drama, a high-stakes game in which our identity, our self-esteem, and our ability to provide are mixed inside us in a volatile, sometimes explosive ways.” from David Whyte in his incredible book, Crossing the Unknown Sea: Work as a pilgrimage of Identity.
That volatile, explosive mix is a gift. It presents a tremendous opportunity for us to do our own work, our inner work, and further develop our own understanding of self. In our conversation today, Jerry is joined by Henry May, founder and CEO of CoSchool, based in Columbia. Henry comes to Jerry with this very issue: How might the journey of entrepreneurship, specifically his own, open up new opportunities for him to grow? Or said more directly: How might he use his work at Coschool to do the real work on his humanity?
Reboot Podcast #30 - Who Do You Turn To? - with Yancey Strickler and Ian Hogarthrebootio
There’s a saying: Behind every great man is a great woman. I would add: behind every great entrepreneur is a great friend. The entrepreneurial path simply can’t be traveled alone. So when Jerry asked Kickstarter’s CEO and Co-founder, Yancey Strickler: Who do you turn to? He response was immediate: Ian Hogarth, Co-founder and Chairman of Songkick. We’re grateful to have Yancey and Ian join Jerry in today’s podcast to talk about their friendship, the importance of peer relationships in entrepreneurship, the relief of being heard by those who can empathize with your experience, as well as those who can challenge you from a place of love and deep understanding. Enjoy this discussion with Jerry, Ian Hogarth, and Yancey Strickler.
This conversation was recorded in early December, and since then Ian has announced his intention to give up the Co-CEO role at Soundkick and focus on his role at Chairman.
Reboot Podcast #33 - Do I Even Have A Superpower?- with Kent Cavender-Baresrebootio
Have you ever asked yourself the question: I wonder if we'd be better off with someone else in my role?
In this podcast, a listener, Kent Cavender-Bares from Rowbots comes to Jerry with a question a similar question about his superpower: "What if my deep integrity, my commitment to simply telling how it is, is the reason we’re unable to fundraise? Do I even have a Superpower? Wouldn’t Rowbots, be further along if someone else was leading?" Jerry and Kent explore the double edge of a superpower, and how the path through his challenges may lie in a new set of questions: How can I be even more like Kent? How can I embrace my superpower? How can I believe in myself? And why is that so damned important?
Reboot Podcast #31 - Why Being Real Matters- with Evgeny Shadchnevrebootio
So many entrepreneurs seek to model their leadership after the high-profile, successful giants of business. Should I be leader more like Steve Jobs? How can I be more like Jeff Bezos? How can I be more like Travis from Uber? These are not only questions without answers, they are the wrong questions. The real question is, “Who the fuck are you?” You’re not Steve Jobs. You’re not Jeff Bezos. You’re you. What does the leader within you look like?
In today’s conversation, Jerry is joined by Evgeny, Co-founder and CEO of Makers Academy. Ev wrestles with the question of whether it’s possible to scale an organization built around trust, or does success require a leader who governs by fear? Together they discover a more beautiful, more fundamental question --“Who is Evgeny?” In that answer they may find a path to personal alignment and more effective leadership.
The Reboot podcast was started because we believed that there needed to be an authentic, real conversation about the emotional journey of entrepreneurship. One that included its valleys and not just its peaks. 1 in 3 entrepreneurs will struggle with depression or burnout in their career, yet when it happens to them, many entrepreneurs feel totally alone in their experience.
Rob Symington is founder and entrepreneur who experienced a debilitating period of burnout following the launch of his startup, a startup that was inspired by the idea that work could be more fulfilling, less stressful and generally improve people’s lives no less. In this conversation, Jerry and Rob discuss his experience, why Rob believes it’s so important for him to share it, how he is moving forward, and the fact that the pressure of doing something you passionately believe in can challenge you unlike anything else.
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Reboot Podcast #01 - How self reflection potentially saved a business - the reboot podcast
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PERSONS PRESENT: Dan
Jerry and Derek
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Dan: Welcome to the Reboot Podcast. I’m Dan Pipe, one of the partners here at Reboot. I
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could not be more excited about this show. I’ve known Jerry for almost 7 years now
and without a doubt, I can say that my work with him has had a profound impact on
my life. In this show we’re opening up the coaching couch to the world and
bringing everyone in on this conversation around this work. We’re here to showcase
the heart and soul of authentic leadership and to inspire more open conversations
around what we consider the most important part of entrepreneurship, the emotional
struggle, and hopefully opening up some hearts along the way. We are extremely
grateful that you’ve taken the time to be with us and look forward to this journey
ahead with you. Now, on with our first conversation.
Good work, done well for the right reasons with an end in mind has always been a
sign in most human tradition of an inner and outer maturity. Its achievement is
celebrated as an individual triumph and a gift to our societies, a very hard blunt
arrival. That quote is from David Whyte “Crossing the unknown sea: work as a
pilgrimage of identity”. So we often start our show with a quote that has particular
meaning to us but also feels right for the episode. And this quote felt appropriate for
many reasons: it’s the official launch of Reboot, the official launch of the Reboot
Podcast. But it also feels right for our first guest and his story. Derek Flanzraich is
founder and CEO of Greatist, which is one of the fastest growing sites in the health
and wellness space. Since attending our boot camp last October, Derek has been on
a personal journey around money and finances. In this conversation with Jerry, he’ll
hear how his reflection on a personal challenge, we provided a path to a solution to
a business challenge and potentially saved his company.
And as always, you can head over to Reboot.io/podcast for links, for things
mentioned in the episode, for specific quotes, the quote I read at the beginning of
the episode, as well as you know, joining in on the conversation, we’d love to hear
from you on the comments, on how Derek sort of resonated with you.
Jerry: It’s good to have you here Derek, how you’re doing?
Derek: I’m doing good, thanks for having me.
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Jerry: Sure, why don’t you take a few seconds to just give us a little bit of where you’re
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coming from and tell us a little bit about the company, just so that we have some
contacts for this conversation.
Derek: Yeah, so I am now nearly 3 and a half years into founding a company called
Greatist, it’s a health and wellness media startup. So basically what we do is
produce very high quality content on fitness health and happiness, and it’s been,
you know, a roller-coaster ride, we now reach well over 5 million unique visitors a
month, which means we’re a very big site. We’ve raised 2.5 million dollars, we
have 14 people and we are trying to build the next generation health media
company. But it’s been a wild ride so far and hopefully just the beginning of much
more to come.
Jerry: Well, it sounds like 5 million uniques is a lot, congratulations on that, that’s
amazing. So tell me what you want to talk through today.
Derek: Yeah, well I think a lot of different that have happened on the personal level, that
I’ve realized have been extremely impactful on my professional life, make you
think in a way that has been more obvious, maybe, than ever before. But I think,
you know, went on that CEO boot camp now, guess it’s over a year ago.
Jerry: Actually, not even quite, it was last October, so it’s about 10 months.
Derek: So ten months. I’d say the last 10 months have been, you know, I think it came and
hit me at a really important way where I was really start to think about you know,
how my like, who I wanted to be as a leader, who I was as a leader, and how these
things were very inter-related and it sort of set me off on a journey, I think of both
personal and professional discovery. But it particularly, I think pointing and
example has been financially, because I don’t think I would have comfortable
saying, but this I told relatively recently, but I really haven’t cared about making
money for a very long time, at all. And I thought that caring about money in fact
was bad, really. And a part of that, look, where it all stands from was my personal
relationship with money and you know, my family experience and my experience
growing up, and that has influenced me in a kind of crazy way, in terms of how I
look at the money in my business. And so, you know, that’s sort of the background
and you know, flash to you know, 3-4 months ago where I’m sitting there and
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suddenly realize that the person who was in charge of making money at Greatist
was you know, our chief revenue officer at the time, hadn’t brought any money in
for 8 to 9 months, you know, a negligible amounts of money, even though that had
been his job and we’re meeting every weekend to talk about the numbers and look
at how it was going. And he was working very hard and meant very well.
It was only then when I really realized where we were and looked to the money in
the bank and said “well, we’re running out of money”, and how did this happen?
Jerry: Well, I have 2 questions, both of what you can hold rhetorically from now: how did
that feel and I guess it’s the same question: how did you not know that that was
happening?
Derek: How did I not know?
Jerry: You think it’s related to your relationship with money?
Derek: I think it is 100% related. I didn’t know it at the time, but in, as a part of sort of my
work at the end of last year, I decided it was time to finally start facing the fact that
I wasn’t taking a salary and was living ultimately, you know, a life that was
completely funded by my parents.
Jerry: So I just want you to pause, because you know me and my spider sense is tingling.
How did it feel, if you could identify the underline emotion, what was the emotion
that you felt when you did realized that you’re running out of money, and that you
hadn’t been paying, let’s call it close enough attention, to that?
Derek: Just like a failure.
Jerry: Oh boy.
Derek: And I think that’s no… and like an idiot, right? Like embarrassed.
Jerry: Yeah, I felt the shame, I felt your shame.
Derek: Shame, I think shame is probably the best. You know, I think failure right, failure in
my game, to me failure is shameful, I guess. I think shame is the, shame, right,
because what we’re doing is, what I’m trying to build is so important and the people
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that are alongside the journey and have made it possible, care so much about
making it happen and it’s my job to get us there. And you know, it’s so silly to let
personal challenges and personal frustrations and personal weaknesses and
inadequacies affect the business, but that’s almost always why you’re into…
Jerry: Derek, if it was truly silly, then I would have no business. Welcome to being
human.
Derek: Yes.
Jerry: What is silly, which is, I’m not too comfortable with that word, but what is
unreasonable is to expect that those personal constricts are not going to affect the
business.
Derek: Yes, yes, the problem is that you don’t always know what the personal constricts
are yet.
Jerry: Exactly. Remember my formula, right? Practical skills plus radical self-inquiry. The
self-inquiry process is like who the fuck am I and what am I working with here,
right? And so what we know is that you’ve got, from childhood, a very interesting
relationship with money. So much so that you probably negated the, call it the
pursuit of money, as somehow negative, as a bad thing, which then you let, because
it was less pure. Which then led to not paying attention to the sustainability of the
business, right? Because I think, if I can go out on the limb here, I think you
associated greed, which is a completely different emotion, with having a practical
pragmatic, healthy, relationship with the sustainability that money enables.
Derek: Yes, I mean I think greed and superficiality maybe.
Jerry: Look at the rock and the hard place you put yourself in between.
Derek: Yeah.
Jerry: On the one hand, if you pursued it, you were greedy and superficial. And on the
other hand, because you didn’t pay close enough attention to it, you’re worthy of
shame.
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Jerry and Derek
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Derek: Yeah, oh yeah. I just think that the space and I’ve been, I’m very much, I think of
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myself as like an impact driven, vision driven entrepreneur. The truth is, and again,
I don’t think I could have said this only a month ago, maybe 2 months ago, but the
truth is that you cannot make an impact without creating wealth. And to create the
unbelievable impact that I intend to make, I’m going to need to make an
unbelievable amount of wealth to support it, and you can’t, you know, you can’t
take the 2 apart from each other, and I sure wanted them to not be the same, I sure
wanted to try. I think it like literally, I cannot, I’m a smart guy, I was looking at the
numbers, right? I did not understand that you’re supposed to look at the finances
and the money in the bank.
Jerry: Every week, every week.
Derek: Right, and I was, right? It wasn’t like I wasn’t. It’s the problem is that the numbers
didn’t mean anything to me, you know? That I wasn’t attributing any meaning to
them, other than okay, you know, let me outsource it completely to somebody who,
you know, maybe is in a little over their heads, maybe isn’t meant to do this. But let
me just hope like a prayer that he’s going to figure it out. Let me hope that
something happens where suddenly everyone wants to you know, throw money at
us, or one of these new things that were sort of half asset we’re trying, really works.
But for so long I had trained the team to not care about making money in any way
and to think of it as bad, think of it as something that was in, you know, in conflict
with creating pure high quality content, in conflict with creating a brand people
trust, in conflict with building, you know, a brand in business that makes a
difference in health, right, or period.
Jerry: What was so threatening to you about the notion of pursuing money for money sake
that you would reject the discipline, that financial discipline creates. Take me back
a little bit to this relationship to money that you first hit upon.
Derek: So yeah, I mean, the long story short of that, at least as I understand it is, you know,
that my dad grew up penniless, my mom was an immigrant from Russia. They, my
dad ended up, he’s the smartest person I’ve ever met in my life and he ended up
building a lot from nothing, and I saw that within my lifetime, I saw him how hard
he worked, how, you know, how many hours he spent, you know, travelling away
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from us and eating dinners at 11 PM, because that’s when you’d come home from
work, as a family, and he made all this money and doesn’t really care about it, it
was never his thing, his things was not making a lot of money, I don’t think he had
driven in that was. But my mom loves it, and she’s all about spending it, and I think
that the – my mom is an amazing woman, super smart, super capable – but she
places a lot of value on it, and so she always wanted me to act a certain way, she
wanted her family to do certain things, and I always had a very visceral reaction to
money for the sake of money, and flaunting wealth and being in certain circles. I
don’t know why, there’s no reason, I grew up …
Jerry: Does it remind you of your mother, to do that?
Derek: Which part?
Jerry: To flaunt money, or to pursue money.
Derek: Yes, that’s what I mean, I mean, that’s, she loves that, right? Whether she really
loves it or whether she believes she loves it, that’s the world she wants to play in
and dad definitely has no interest.
Jerry: So it sounds like you were balancing 2 impulses: one to not be like your mother,
and the other to be like your father.
Derek: Yeah, and obviously, it’s with all things, in some ways, the other way around.
Jerry: Right because …
Derek: Because she’s lovely and everyone loves her and she’s the life of the party and you
know, she’s like the world’s perfect socialite, and but, she, that’s important to her,
my dad is content to do none of those things, and to sit in a room and watch a movie
every night, the same movie every night, like that’s great for him. I think of myself
as a little bit of both sides, I think they probably would say the same thing, and the
fear, what is my fear? I think the fear is that I can’t, that I am not like my dad, I
can’t make money.
Jerry: There we go.
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Jerry and Derek
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Derek: I think that is probably the largest fear. I think the fear is that I, you know, how can
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I build something that’s bigger and better, which she wants me to, you know.
Jerry: Yeah, but the fear is, the force in your head is telling you can’t. And perhaps, the
way you make peace with that voice is to say that’s unimportant to me and you
supported that voice by saying “I’m going to have the same sorts of values as my
dad”, but there’s a falsity there. And the falsity is that you didn’t believe that you’re
your father’s son.
Derek: Right, and that I, I think there’s a reason, there’s no way I can ever do what he did.
Jerry: Okay, when you’re going to stop comparing yourself to him?
Derek: I’m not sure I am.
Jerry: Derek, it’s irrelevant, whether you can succeed him or surpass him, is irrelevant.
What is it that you want more than anything else from him?
Derek: You know, love, support.
Jerry: The opposite feeling of the shame?
Derek: Yeah, of course.
Jerry: Okay.
Derek: So early on, when Greatist first started, I, like you know, many founders, raised
money from friends and family. And…
Jerry: Including them?
Derek: Including my father. And it really, I think, warped a lot of the relationship, in like a
very surprising way. My dad is, I would say he’s not terrific at showing, I don’t
think he knows really well how to care about other people. I think he wants to, but
he just doesn’t know, it’s just not a thing he’s very good at. So he really likes
lecturing and he’s brilliant, he’s a brilliant business guy, no doubt, he’s been very
successful.
Jerry: But he wasn’t home for dinner.
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wasn’t.
Jerry: Yeah.
Derek: And it wasn’t like he was trying to get away, just the opposite, but this is like, he’s a
workaholic. Anyway, I think that the key was that it’s suddenly looked was like, I
was like sparring with someone, he was asking me questions about my business,
instead of really just wanting someone to say “hey, I hear you, this is hard and I’ve
been there” or “maybe you can think about this, maybe you think about that, have
you thought about this, have you thought about that”, as opposed to “well, everyone
knows this is what you should be doing.” I don’t know, so it created a very
interesting dynamic, I think in which, and you know, would avoid my calls with
him and would avoid talking with him about it, because I started feeling like the
relationship that I wanted was not here, you know?
Jerry: This is the relationship between those feelings and that shame.
Derek: I think I’ve felt when I talked to him about my business, I think a felt very shamed.
Jerry: Yeah.
Derek: Even when, I don’t think I’ve had any reason to be with the shame, right? But yea, I
mean, no doubt, I think, and I don’t think he was like putting that on me, I think
that’s me.
Jerry: I think it’s that little boy trying to figure out how he’s going to get his dad to come
home for dinner.
Derek: Right, yeah. Yeah, and for the right reasons.
Jerry: Right.
Derek: I think that’s the hard part is that, you know we’ve had, you know, externally now
pretty good measures of success. You know, we’ve raised a lot more money than
me and my family ever invested, many times over, right? And from people his, I
didn’t know, and I didn’t know, you know, I call this like increasingly getting like
very big public and attention. And so now everybody says he’s very proud of me,
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right? And he’s excited about it, but I think it matters a lot less sort of what
somebody says, it matters a lot more how they show the real care and support,
right? Yeah, I mean he could come home to dinner early, but if he’s not really there,
and if he’s not really knowing, you know, to give and care and ask, what’s the
point, you know?
Jerry: Yeah. So your dad’s not a client, and in this moment, it’s just you and me, right? So
and this is all you’ve got, you, and someone like me. We all are wounded by our
parents, and I say that as a parent. Part of that process is wounding. Part of the
process of separating ourselves and growing into our own personhood is learning
how to integrate and make choices about the messages that we received. You know,
we started by talking about the business and talking about money, and your
relationship with money, and it’s the way in which it worked, your leadership
choices. And now what we’re really talking about is your relationship with your
parents. Individually and even the parents who live in your brain, live in your mind.
Derek: Right.
Jerry: Derek, all you have are the choice that you make as it relates to the voices you hear.
Because your dad is not going to be different, and your mom’s not going to be
different. And in a sense, we’re not even sure we want them to be different, because
there are wonderful aspects about both of them.
Derek: Absolutely.
Jerry: So what you’re left with is leaving your consciousness about the ways in which it
impacts you, as you’ve been doing, as you’ve been going through this very deeply
powerful crucible moment of who the hell am I as a leader, and to say “I have some
choices I’m going to make”, and one choice, one action you can take is to catch
yourself when you compare yourself not only to your dad, but the internalized
expectation of who you’re supposed to be that you received from them intentionally
and other wised. Because the truth is you will always fail in comparison to those
images, always.
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It’s like the end of the tunnel that keeps getting further and further away. Because
there’s no amount of money in the world that’s going to make up for not feeling his
pride.
Derek: Of course.
Jerry: Right?
Derek: Yeah, right.
Jerry: So you can choose now, and you can start to reshape the way you relate to them,
and not just them as real people, but them as the sort of personification inside of
you, and say I choose to take from them the lessons that area really powerful. Your
father’s independence, your father’s ability to make his own way, regardless of the
obstacles.
Derek: Right.
Jerry: Yeah, his business sense is probably good, but you know what, his independence is
probably stronger.
Derek: Yeah.
Jerry: Take that and then you know, from your mom there’s a joy about life.
Derek: Yeah, oh yeah.
Jerry: Right? That’s okay.
Derek: And then some, yeah.
Jerry: All of our work is to take what happened to us and shape our own self. The question
is not how you’re going to be like your father or not like your mother, or like your
mother, and the question is how you’re going to be Derek, and who is that guy?
Derek: Yeah. But answering that question is a journey, too, right? I think maybe the thing
that’s stuck with me most, a couple of things are really stuck with me most from
just a little under a year ago was this idea of you know, that it’s my job to really be
the calmest person in the room. So that’s really stuck with me and I don’t think I
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was then, and I think, I believe I’m on, you know, the path to getting there, but the
second one that I think it’s particularly relevant is that it’s just never over, and so
that question in never answered. And you know, in many ways, my approach to
this, you know, figuring out the financial part of this business, which in the past was
moving it aside and to get someone else, putting it to someone, ignoring it, has been
to really take it all on myself, to, even though it’s uncomfortable and it’s hard and
you know, it’s noticing even, like I go through, you know, last week, I realized that
when it was in my schedule, I literally when I have 10 task, I would do all 5 that are
not related to money, and then be left with those, and like push them off. So I’m
now so focused on hey, this is the things I need to address and deal with right now.
By the way, it turns out I’m actually pretty good at it, like we’ve had an incredible 2
months the minute I started really paying attention to it. So no one knows the
business better than me, no one can sell the business better than me. We’ve made
more money in the last 2 months that we’ve made in all of Greatist combined. It’s
not a joke, it’s real, it’s a real number.
Jerry: That’s the power of paying attention.
Derek: It’s the power of paying attention, and …
Jerry: But take me back, why is it so, what happens to you in that moment when you start
to think about it. You said something before about not really liking it, not really
understanding it, did you use the word blurry? I just heard that word, so that may
have been a projection on my part. No? okay. What happens when you start looking
to financial related issues?
Derek: What happens? I think I have spent so long trying to create an identity for me as the
guy who’s the idea guy, the creative guy, the manager guy, and not the financial
money guy, like I’ve caught myself if I say that’s like as a joke, I’ll stay stuff like
“well, you know, but I’m not good at numbers”, and stuff like that, right? And it’s
like such a, I’ve decided that’s not who I am, that when I’m suddenly spacing the
spreadsheets, it’s, unless I really want, it’s, I click away, right? It’s just, it’s like this
very bizarre, not bizarre, I mean i think it’s, what happens, I’m thinking about this
blurry thing. I don’t know if it gets blurry and so much as it’s just, I have my
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interest and excitement and I think I’m just always scared I’m not going to be good
at it.
Jerry: Yeah, yeah.
Derek: Right?
Jerry: Yeah.
Derek: And to me that just returns right back to where I was before.
Jerry: Well, I want to tell you a quick story. When I was a boy I did very, very well in
school. Mostly A’s and I failed penmanship in second grade, I went to Catholic
school, and one actually could fail penmanship.
Derek: What’s penmanship, is that when you write emails?
Jerry: Yeah, right, it’s typing emails. And then 8th grade came around. And this was back
in the day when students were really tracked, and so there was the smart group and
then there was the sort of not so smart group, and then was the really not smart
group, right? So a horrible system. And even know they didn’t labeled it as such,
we all knew, right? You knew. And so there was a tradition in my school that the
smart group, when they got to 8th grade, got to do 9th grade math, we got to do
algebra. And we started the year, we had a new match teacher come in. And she
was such a math enthusiast, that she wanted to do 9th grade math, algebra, for
everybody. Because she loves math and she wanted us all to love math, and that the
8th grade math was actually kind of boring, and that algebra was kind of interesting.
And being a leader as I was, I was actually student body president and I’m really
ashamed to tell you what I’m about to tell you, I was an elitist son of a bitch, I very
articulately made the case that we should not change the tradition and that the smart
kids should be the only ones allowed to study algebra.
Well, she taught me a lesson, she agreed, she started teaching us the algebra, just
the way it would have always been done, and one by one, every one of us
experienced enormous failure. Because what she did was she made it really, really
tough. Now I’m grateful for that lesson, because I learned about being an elitist, I
learned about my own ego structure. But there was a negative consequence to that: I
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went from feeling very comfortable about math to believe in as you did that I’m not
good at numbers. And when I became and adult I would chary away from those
things. And took me a long time to really understand that numbers and dollars are
just another form of language that tell stories, and that if I could face my own sense
of shame, not only about my elitism, but really what I carry to this day, which is a
sense that I’m not good at that, so I’m going to avoid anything that makes, that
reminds me of something I’m not good at. Does this resonate with you?
Derek: Absolutely.
Jerry: Yeah.
Derek: I think that for me my fear has been always around being good enough at a lot of
stuff, but not amazing at any of them. You know, I was a pretty good student and I
did well enough in all my math classes, I was never the worst, I was never the best,
in fact, I think I always felt like there were smarter people there, I also knew I was
amongst the best writers, never the best, but you know, like that was always my
stronger thing. You know, it wasn’t until I found like starting and running things,
that I realized wow like, this is something I could be the best at. And in many ways
I think I’m terrified, you know, I think I can do anything, like my belief is that you,
I can do whatever, right? If I needed to make money, I can do it, I can figure out
how to do it. But I also know that my job is not to do everything. That in fact if I
try, that you know, I’ll probably die by the age of 35.
Jerry: What if you’re not the best at everything?
Derek: I can’t, nobody can be.
Jerry: But what if you’re not? What if you’re not the best at fund raising? What if you’re
not the best at starting something? Who are you? By the way, founder of a company
called Greatist.
Derek: Yes.
Jerry: ‘The fuck is that?
Derek: Sell differently.
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Jerry: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Derek: But maybe that says more. Yeah, I think then I’m just like everyone else.
Jerry: And what’s wrong with that? Yeah.
Derek: Logically I want to say of course, nothing.
Jerry: But what does your heart say?
Derek: But emotionally that’s not me.
Jerry: That’s not the me that you want me to see you as.
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part of me that feels I’ve been blessed and given certain skills and abilities and have
been born into family that could support them and invest in me and I have this like
…
Jerry: And so if you don’t achieve that greatness, then therefore you’re not living up to
your purpose or your potential, what is your …?
Derek: I don’t know, I think greatness, what is greatness, I think for me the most satisfying
thing has been touching people on some kind of scale, helping them do something
easier, last a little more, and you know…
Jerry: I want to bring you, I’m going to interrupt you because I want to bring your
attention to yourself.
Derek: Yeah.
Jerry: How are you feeling when you connect into the phrase: the most satisfying thing is
touching people.
Derek: I’m not sure, not totally sure. I don’t know if that felt right. I am excited, I mean
get very passionate about the opportunity to reach people on a massive scale, I think
that’s really something that, I have this real, you know, I built Greatist because I
want to and intend to change the way people think about health.
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Jerry: Why is that important to you?
Derek: Because I was like a fat man growing up and felt like no one was delivering the
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message most wanted to hear about that.
Jerry: So you’re trying to save the little Dereks who are still running around there.
Derek: 100%.
Jerry: Okay. So stay with that, that’s purpose.
Derek: Yeah. Know I’m trying to save them, I’m trying to save what a lot of them grew
into, I think I’m trying to you know, build something for them to, that they can trust
and turn to, that can guide them the right way, and there’s never been more little
Dereks, never before ever, there’s never been more, and they’re only more of them
coming, you know?
Jerry: So do you have to be the best? Do you have to be the greatest, do you have to be the
most successful to save those Dereks? And by the way, that’s a leading question,
and I acknowledge that.
Derek: I do not have to be those things to make the difference that I want to make.
Jerry: Okay. So hold on to purpose. Purpose will guide you through the morass of feelings
that get raised here. Greatist could be the second greatest and save a hell of a lot of
Dereks.
Derek: It’s true.
Jerry: Right? If Greatist is the second best, what it won’t do is close the wound in your
heart, as it relates to your father.
Derek: But it depends on how I define them, right?
Jerry: Yes. See, the work of closing the wound in your heart is your work.
Derek: It’s how you define it, absolutely.
Jerry: That’s right. The work of saving the Dereks, that’s the work of the company.
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Derek: Yeah.
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go a long way to healing.
Derek: Yeah, that’s my mission, you know?
Jerry: That’s it, buddy.
Derek: It’s not my dad’s, right? It’s not my mom’s, they don’t really care, right?
Jerry: It’s not their mission.
Derek: It’s not their mission, right.
Jerry: This is yours.
Derek: Yeah.
Jerry: This is what the divine tapped you on the shoulder to do, not them.
Derek: Yeah, yeah. And I don’t know quite how or why, but you know, even the, it’s my
mission, but I’m not the only one who shares that mission, right?
Jerry: That’s right.
Derek: What’s amazing is that I, you know, even if I was the best at everything, I’d be only
one person, you know?
Jerry: That’s right. So now what you’re tapping into is this other part of who you are,
which is the part that inspires other people. The part that magnetizes resources and
people around you, for that sheer intents of purpose.
Derek: You know, you need a hell of a coalition and a hell of a community to bring this to
the world, right?
Jerry: And those little Dereks need that coalition.
Derek: And they need it, yeah, absolutely. And you know, the challenges that I’m going
through now that’s deeply profoundly personal ones, are you know, I went through
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some really tough ones as a kid struggling my way, [inaudible 00:40:22] for 3
years, not a single friend. I remember so clearly sitting on the sidelines during
recess because no one wanted to come talk to me and feeling so alone, and I think
that little Derek, right, he was looking for a friend, right? He was looking for a
friend, he was looking for help, he was looking for support and the thing that he
started getting excited about it was like there was nothing there, right? Nobody was
talking to people in a way, everyone, let’s say sometimes that the world was trying
to define what healthy should look like for me, but I wanted to define what it looked
like for myself. I think that’s Greatist what it’s all about, right? Is saying it’s okay
to not have 6 pack abs, and that’s what this is about. And this is what Greatist,
literally that’s why it’s Greatist, right? It’s with an IST, it’s not an accident, it’s
someone who’s working on being great, just like an artist works on art. It’s
somebody who’s trying, you don’t have to be the greatest, which is literally the
whole point of this right now, but here it is like built into the name of my company.
Like you don’t have to be that, but you can be a greatist, and you know, make and
work hard and try to do the right thing, because that is ultimately what will lead to
happiness and to satisfaction and longer lasting health and you know …
Jerry: So what I hear you saying is learning to push yourself but also accept yourself, to
integrate the totality of who you are is a path to that, what you would call being the
greatest, is that right?
Derek: Yeah, and you know, it’s not about the choices you make, it’s why you make them.
Jerry: Okay. What you just said.
Derek: It’s literally my business’ mission and it’s like you know, could you think of
anything that’s more, like exactly the same for …
Jerry: For you.
Derek: I know, it’s terrifying. This is like an eerie.
Jerry: It’s not eerie, you know what it is? All of our businesses, all of our heart, all of our
expressions in the world are expressions of the inner landscape, right? Steve Jobs
strolled on as much as he did to create perfection. What was he trying to save? Who
was he trying to save? Right? He was described as a bag of broken glass, and so
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every piece of hardware he created was absolutely beautiful, okay? This is the way
of humanity, right? And so we write to ourselves the story that we need to hear.
You have created an entity and what is powerful and the reason you get 5 million
uniques is because you’ve tapped into universal truths. An universal truth is that we
are not comfortable with who we are, and that we must rail against the world and as
David Whyte says “and its hard need to define you”, to tell you what’s right and
what’s wrong, because that base, that’s what you’re exerting people to do, define
health and wellness for yourself, be informed, be empowered, but ultimately define
it for yourself.
Derek: And yeah, and define how other people are trying to define it for you.
Jerry: That’s right, that’s right. Isn’t it amazing how our core sense of purpose reinforces
for us every single day, not only what the reason for the business is but who we
really are. This is what you’re about.
Derek: And that’s also probably the definition of core sense of purpose, right? Or course it
does, because that’s, we are all here for a reason and believe, right? And the more I
learn about who I am and how it all comes together, there’s this – I have in my
apartment, I have this Kandinsky photo that’s called “Circles within circles”, I love
Kandinsky, my family’s Russian, anyway I think he’s amazing and he was this
[inaudible 00:40:22]. So he saw music and colors, they were like the same tan - and
there’s this image that I had up in my room now, for like a year, in my apartment,
for a year and a half, and it’s this circle, like 8 black circles, and in the middle are
all these, it’s like it’s a whole stamatering of other colorful circles. And I don’t
know why I was drawn to it, but I love that painting, as I put it up and then I was
staring at it, it was just 2 days ago, I was staring at it and I went well, you know,
there’s so many of these circles and there are some of them are on top of one
another, and some of them are overlaying one of them, and they’re all kinds of
different colors, and it looks like nothing. But it’s all encapsulated in this larger
circle, that in somehow is like so together and it fits, and it’s beautiful and it’s
crazy, but it’s beautiful. And for some reason I would say now yeah, that’s like all
of us, we’re all exactly like this, we’re all exactly like that. We’ve got all these
different circles, feelings, emotions, but then today we’re this one person, and that’s
okay, and that’s good. In fact, you know, that’s, it’s our job to recognize this larger
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circle, hey, this is who I am, this is what makes me up, all of this makes me who I
am, and it’s all good, right? It’s all good, it’s all driving towards one thing, it’s all
driving towards something.
Jerry: Don’t even underestimate the power of your subconscious to give you exactly what
you need when you need it, you just have to pay attention to those messages. It’s
like when the dream comes to you, and when you really explore the dream, you
realize the answer’s in the dream. This experience is exactly what you need to go
through, to actually re-examine your relationship with money. Greed and creating a
sustainable business are not the same thing, my friend. Your job is to create a
sustainable container for the business, so that you can then achieve the purpose.
Derek: Oh yeah.
Jerry: It’s not wealth, it’s sustainable container. Now, that may mean extra money in the
bank, but it’s about sustainability, it’s about making sure that there is a tomorrow in
the company.
Derek: And I think about exerting, not being out of control, right?
Jerry: Discipline, structure. Remember something, container without content is pointless.
And content without container is ineffective. So you need purpose, but you need the
sustainable container. Otherwise you’ll never deliver what you’re trying to deliver.
Derek: Which is content inside of a container, by the way.
Jerry: That’s right, that’s right.
Derek: Literally it’s all we do, it’s our job. Yeah, I know, I…
Jerry: We need to start to wrap unfortunately, because I got to get ready for another call,
but I can’t thank you enough for your openness and your vulnerability here, for me
it’s an amazing privilege and an honor to talk with you about this and I hope it was
helpful.
Derek: It was and thank you.
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and email me what you know?
Derek: You know I will.
Jerry: Alright my friend, it’s good seeing you again.
Derek: Likewise, thank you.
Jerry: You’re welcome, take care.
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